Hola, soy Mario Mendoza. Sr. Thomason ha pedido que dedique el vÃdeo de U2 a Andruw Jones.
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Ai-yi-yi!
McBride traded to Los Tigres.
That’s what a couple people on DOB’s blog have said, but for whom? I’m not thrilled…
McBride for Maroth?
Yo no se. Probablamente es m*erda.
Well, if it’s McBride, clearly it’s gonna be for another left-handed reliever.
Then why call up Devine?
I hope we get Gary Sheffield. He could play first base.
It’s not for a relief pitcher. So that means an all right-handed bullpen, which is nice to see actually. Maybe Bobby’s fetish is fading.
The Braves play the Tigers next too.
jj3bagger posted this on previous thread:
“I think Andruw has actually burned some bridges this year but not listening just to TP, but not listening to other veterans. Red Sox/ESPN broadcaster Dave O’Brien said last night during the broadcast something to the extent of “there have been rumblings in the clubhouse that Andruw has not been listening to anybody this season except for his agent.” That’s as close to the quote as I could get, but you get the drift.”
I just wanted to say that is as far away from the truth as it could get. Andruw has been taking advice and been following it in BP. It’s not the easiest thing to change bad habits. I just don’t understand how announcers could say things like that without even knowing crap…
how bout Zach Miner? he got squeezed out of the Tigers rotation – id take him
Es Dave O’Brien. No es profesional.
Is there a link for the McBride rumor?
@13 – http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=248#S=248&F=2070&T=642490&P=1&STM=0
the mcbride rumor on DOB was about as credible as if it’d been typed on here. which, unless McCann’s shy 3rd cousin from his aunt’s 2nd marriage is the one posting blind, is just speculation.
That joker actually has a photo of his silly little book as his avatar?
Si McBride para Maroth es la verdad, que estan los Tigres fumando?
Thank you for the link KLB, I wonder if its true… it does seem like it can’t be good with JS selling low if it is true.
DOB – “I just got here through traffic. McBride spotted leaving the clubhouse in street clothes, no official word yet, but sounds like he’s the goner.”
doubledawg, aunts 3rd marriage, get it right!
So this means another month and a half before we bite the bullet and make an actual trade. This is really starting to get depressing.
Don’t get me wrong, though. If we actually got offered Maroth for McBride, I’d take the deal. The point is that this is gonna cause us to not get a legitimate third starter because of a “wait and see” approach. We now have an ace, a 2 and three 4s instead of two 4s and a 5.
quien es este Mario Mendoza?
y no me importa ni m*erda si McBride se queda o se va. pinche maricon zurdo.
The Cleveland Indians got rid of Roberto Hernandez. Anyone interested? (Kidding of course).
“So this means another month and a half before we bite the bullet and make an actual trade.”
I don’t get it either. Why doesn’t Schuerholz stop pussyfooting around with the stopgaps and get somebody like Matt Morris already?
Because if you can get that sort of production for less than Escobar+, you try. Maroth may be good for a turn or two through the NL.
John Thomson released:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/article.jsp?content=20070620_154726_5276
I like the idea of trading McBride for Gary Sheffield. And then we could trade Orr for Roy Halladay. It makes sense to me.
snap him up!
A bunch of whiteboys trying to use their bastardized spanish. Good entertainment.
No no no…it was McBride for Verlander, not Sheffield. Let’s be realistic here.
Io cano speako goodo Spanisho.
Hey, until Dan came along “whiteboy” was the most bastardized word on the board….
what happened to the 4:05pm press conference to announce the trade?
http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/06/tigers-trade-wil-ledezma-get-macay-mcbride/
This site says Wil Ledezma is who the Braevs are getting. Swapping lefty relievers.
Maybe Atlanta can send Salty and Escobar and get the Tigers to throw in Bonderman?
“This site says Wil Ledezma is who the Braevs are getting. Swapping lefty relievers.”
I stand corrected if true. The trade is pointless, just a McBride dump.
Nailed it!
(see last thread)
Ledezma is a former Red Sox farmhand.. I’ll let Mac handle the rest.
Ledezma can start as well, so I see him as an upgrade on McBride.
Crap…I thought I was joking earlier.
i figured out what was wrong with McBride – he’s actually a righty according to Yahoo.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=txtigersbravestrade&prov=st&type=lgns
It is Ledezma, who you’re getting. Former rule 5’er on the awful 2003 club. Lefty that can throw his fastball in the mid 90’s and has a couple other decent pitches. Location is the big thing for him because the fastball doesn’t have a lot of movement. Can start or relieve.
Is this Mcbride’s last option year?
Okay…so why is Devine being called up?
Boy that’s friggin exciting…
Maybe Devine is just coming up for tonite and will throw left handed. It turns out his problems have been that he moved so quickly through the minors and forget which hand he was supposed to throw with.
Devine’s probably being called up to hold water until Ledezma gets here since Bobby’s hates to go a day without 12 pitchers available.
He has no options left and since there is an off day tommorrow, Devine is up for one day?
Hard to see the point of a challenge trade like this.
Honestly, what good is this?
Neither do I, Mac. Bobby must have really been pissed with McBride’s performance on Monday and told Schuerholz to do something.
Other than that, he has started before, but I don’t see the Braves giving him any starts before any of the other guys. Weird.
I think it’s terrible. We sold low on a guy who isn’t likely to help us any more than even low-end McBride was. Bleh.
…sold low *for* a guy…
Trade for trade sake?!?!
They did one of those “what’s in your locker” segments with him, and it turns out that he didn’t have any make-up.
What also makes it bad is that lefties are hitting .340 against Ledezma this year in 50 ABs. Lefties are hitting .160 against McBride in 25 ABs.
Honestly, what good is this?
Bobby got sick of McBride’s hot-and-cold act. He wanted someone who is consistently mediocre.
Oh well… lets get back to the riveting Andruw sucks conversation. 🙂
Do you think that if Hampton wasn’t hurt and hitting every day he would have better overall numbers than Andruw right now.
K. Johnson 2B
W. Harris CF
E. Renteria SS
C. Jones 3B
B. McCann C
J. Francoeur RF
M. Diaz LF
S. Thorman 1B
B. Carlyle P
Andruw sucks. 🙂
Hey, no Andruw in the line up! Wow…
Wonder if the Braves intend to use Ledezma as a starter. He has started in the past, so that gives the Braves a bit more versatility than what they had with McBride.
It is a little concerning that there isn’t a reliable LOOGY in the bullpen now. Say what you will about Macay, but he was pretty effective vs. left-handers.
Very interesting, I would have moved Thorman to 7th with righty pitching and the way he has been hitting…
DOB has some thoughts from Schuerholz about the trade in his blog: http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/ajc/braves/index.html
Specifically, “Braves believe Ledezma (5.15 career ERA, 15-18 record in 106 games inc. 33 starts) can be a starter in the future, if they want to use him that way. But John Schuerholz said they haven’t discussed when that might happen; not now. He’s a reliever now.”
Ledezma had a 4.29 ERA in 7 starts last year. He has yet to start a game this year for the Tigers, however.
And last year he held lefties to a .241 avg/.282 obp/.304 slg, so maybe he’s just been unlucky this year vs. them. We can only hope.
I wouldn’t mind if he was given a chance to start in place of Davies since Carlyle has done well enough and Chuck James has been decent.
Sounds like a change of scenery trade to me, both ways.
The trade is…whatever.
I really wanted Macay to do well, but, like many, I’d lost all patience with him & his lack of control. Big pressure, small pressure—didn’t seem to matter. They guy was just wild.
Of course, Ledezma’s numbers don’t do a lot to inspire confidence either.
And no problem with the Andruw benching. I kinda thought he wouldn’t sit until IL games were finished, but this is a good call. Two days to clear his head. Why not?
Challenge for challenge trade. I do like Ledezma’s ability to start. Could be another option…
If anyone cares, there’s a picture of my brother and I on the Gameday Shots part of braves.com.
http://www.printroom.com/ViewGalleryPhoto.asp?userid=Braves&gallery_id=731006&image_id=27
Not the greatest picture of me, but I’m on the left. As you can see, my brother and I are identical twins…
Mario Mendoza no aparecerá en la formación esta noche.
Formaciones:
Calcetines Rojos:
Drew rf
Pedroia 2b
Oritz 1b
Ramirez lf
Youkilis 3b
Varitek c
Crisp cf
Lugo ss
Tavarez p
Bravos:
Johnson 2b
Harris cf
Renteria ss
CJones 3b
McCann c
Francoeur rf
Diaz lf
Thorman 1b
Carlyle p
I would have rather sent McBride back down (if he has options) than give him away. Granted they weren’t going to get much if they traded him now, that’s why I would have rather had him stretched out to become a starter or let him work out his struggles than just give away a former first rounder with upside. I guess I just always saw the potential for another Mike Stanton there, I don’t see much upside for Ledezma.
What happens if both Harris and Diaz have awesome games tonight and the Braves score a lot of runs? Answer – nothing – things go back to normal on Friday.
On McBride, I think letting him go was solidified during his time in Richmond. They tried him as a starter and I think they concluded that his control would never be good enough to start and his career as a reliever is limited with his control issues. I don’t think this was anything new to most of us, but they wanted to give him every chance.
McBride and Ledezma’s minor league rate stats H/9, HR/9, BB/9, K/9), are virtually identical, but Ledezma has retained most of his control (which still isn’t great) at the major league level. He’s compensated by giving up a lot more HRs. Eh.
well, i think mcbride had shown us what he had. he’s been far less than great lately, why not try someone else and see if he’ll pull a willie harris on you?
nothing fancy but maybe the shakeup will help.
GO BRAVES!
great start to this game huh. We seem to work wonders on slumping superstars.
what channel is the game on? espn is running news
Ummm why am I seeing ESPN News and not the Bravesssss
Ahh FSN South got it. ESPN says its their game…wierd
yet another chapter in espn’s abuse of the braves! 😉
ESPN is probably blacked out in some areas. I have it on ESPN in PA cause we don’t get the Fox channel that it’s on.
I’m getting the game, but I don’t know if that’s a good thing.
UGH
Well this should be a fun nite..
wow
Well…shucks.
This is making me physically ill. JS needs to deal for a starter TONIGHT.
Defensive help…that was hardly noteworthy.
Our offense is so gutless when they get behind.
This is gonna be a long night.
Maybe I’m heading to the gym a little early tonight. Yuck.
ok, so 5 runs in the 1st. golden girls anyone?
Hey ububba, where in NY do you live?
Wow. This is pretty embarrassing.
Give me a break already.
Time to get the long relievers going.
Maybe McBride can drop Carlyle off in Richmond on the way to Detroit.
Booooooo. Get Caryle out. It’s Vulture time.
I was th
I may just be mad or something, but I can’t remember a worse pitching performance than this in recent memory.
This start would make M*rk R*dm*n proud.
I guess Vulture worked last night. I missed the game.
It seems McBride is better than Ledezma right now, but Ledezma could be better down the line. Whatever, McBride pissed me off more often then not.
this game sucks.
So how long before Renteria and Chipper get pulled from the game?
Why isn’t Villarreal the 5th starter again?
carlyle isn’t the magic bullet tonight, but how long did we expect this to last?
and i hope our guys start throwing at those jerks after they do their dance.
Is Villareal our savior now?
Remember, Jeremy, we did get three decent-or-better starts out of Carlyle before this. Given our absence our alternatives, he deserves another chance.
I doubt the Braves deserve one from us tonight, though.
God Francoeur is a bum.
Oops, I was Keith Lockhart on this computer and forgot to change back.
Not our savior. I think he could at least keep us in the game for five lousy innings, which is all you can ask for.
Villareal is a big question mark for me. He’s a better option, but that’s not saying much today.
We are in trouble, there is nothing more important in baseball than pitching, and we just don’t have any consistency in that department.
There’s a reason Carlyle has bounced around baseball for the better part of his career. He’s not very good.
At least Villa has somewhat of a serviceable track record.
I’m more impressed with the regularity with which the Braves fall behind- and not always because the other team scores in the first or second innings. We get no early-inning offense at all.
Why is Carlyle hitting for himself?
If we need to throw at someone’s face, we’ll put Villa in. I hope we acquire a new starter before we entertain a Villareal start.
“tightness in j.d. drew’s quad.” i’ve never heard that before
whatever happened to Anthony Lerew?
Is he still on the DL?
Alex R. has been trying to post all day but is getting caught by the spam filter. This is the responsibility of the Andruw Jones Crime Syndicate, Scott Boras, CEO. When the AJCS is brought down, he will return.
PS. He also says that getting Matt Morris is a good idea and I can testify that he said that before Carlyle got destroyed.
Man, it’s nice to actually hear a Braves announcer discuss something cerebral like Run Differential…
Can we at least get a base runner and not have him erased on a double play? Is that too much to ask? What does it say about the Braves play when that is my one wish for them?
And why is the Boston pitcher taking the ball with him back to the dugout each inning?
Rissa I was wondering the same thing…
so now the announcers are discussing the “fishiness” of tavarez and his shananigans.
also, why does tavarez have long sleeves on? that is also odd.
Wouldn’t surprise me if he’s doctoring the ball. He is getting a ton of late movement and sink.
i noticed that also.
Tavarez was suspended when he was with the Cardinals for loading the ball with pine tar.
this is really hard to watch. i get a little sick to my stomach every time the sox do something good and i hear that crowd.
I wish the Braves would just ask the ump to check…
I wish there were a mercy rule.
We stink tonight. This is really depressing.
i wish i had an icecream
let’s see if this works.
we stink.
good job alex!
I wish we could win a few games. Go Twins.
woo hoo..the Andruw Jones syndicate has relinqueshed it’s hold over me!
yeah!
But we still stink, and really badly need another starter.
i think it’s time to bring in smitty
Just joining the game…now I wish I hadn’t gotten up….I guess we have to come back to reality a bit about Carlyle…
now we have him on the ropes
Glad that Bobby found a way to get Woodward in the game….
c’mon b-mac
Ok, here’s some things I tried to talk about earlier, not to reliver old history too much, but:
1. Definitely cut a deal for Matt Morris. We badly need another starter. But also, why aren’t we also talking to Kenny Williams to get in the way of a proposed Lastings Milledge for Mark Buehrle deal?
My major concern of course in dealing Escobar is a possible Chipper DL stint.
2. I am perfectly OK dealing our crappy, lefthanded reliever (McBride) for the Tigers crappy lefthanded reliever (Ledezma). I don’t see a difference between the two–OK, Ledezma weighs 80 less lbs.
But sometimes, you give me your crappy pitcher for my crappy pitcher…it’s a change of scenery deal for both teams and you hope for the best and both teams can hope that each guy changing locales will help them.
Ledezma, maybe finally getting a shot in the National League, might do something with it. Let’s hope so.
I am also psyched to see Joey Devine get a shot as well.
was JS praying or screaming down instructions in that last shot?
nice play willie!
great catch by willie. andruw.. still not caring that he’s replaceable.
damn…he almost held on to that
ok, i’m out of here. let’s hope we can put something together this weekend.
Wtf is cox using soriano in a blowout?
My quick read on the trade–Ledezma is worse in the pen than McBride but might be better in the rotation than Davies.
braves trade rumors: braves trade whole team for new players.
Thorman strikes out swinging. Sun sets in west.
why is sammy soso so small now? he couldnt have possibly been on streroids, could he?
New name for the offense: The Chinese Army.
Because nobody kills more rallies.
Heh.
Poor Joey Devine–can’t the Braves just leave him in the minors for a full year?
The probable pitching matchups for the Tigers series:
Fri: Rogers vs. Smoltz
Sat: Verlander vs. Davies
Sun: Maroth vs. James
Verlander vs. Davies. Yuck.
I am glad I am headed to to a B&B that afternoon with my wife to take her away for her Birthday. I don’t think I will be missing out on this game.
Does that mean we will lose our next three, too, if Smoltz’s shoulder is still not right?