No problem everyone, glad I could supply the video. And the grenade move was hilarious, but he’s gotta be fired, apparently he’s done this type of thing many times as recent as a few months ago.
He may need to be fired, but I think there should be a reality show following his career, too. Or, perhaps he could become a manager-consultant, whose primary mission is to invent new ways for managers to go ape-sh*t. The guy’s clearly gifted. And while embarrasing to his players and the organization, talent like this ought not rot on the vine.
i was there…it was not amusing at all, he needs medication. the call was questionable but not worthy of that…not over balls and strikes. Villa was ejected because they thought he was pine tarring the balls. i left after that.
I should add that there is a long tradition in baseball of laughing at such incidents that are in fact evidence of mental illness. Two examples: Jimmy Piersall running the bases backwards, and Tony Horton crawling back to the dugout after a strikeout. Both played for laughs; both players were in fact severely mentally ill.
Stephen
on June 2, 2007 at 11:35 am
Jay10–Just now saw the video so I want to say Thanks as well (no pun intended).
And I was beginning to think that problem with the Braves’ farm system was Bruce Dal Canton….
Brian J.
on June 2, 2007 at 11:55 am
They’ve just posted the lineups:
Braves:
Prado 2b
Escobar 3b
Renteria ss
AJones cf
Francoeur rf
Diaz lf
Saltalamacchia c
Thorman 1b
James p
Cubs:
Soriano lf
Theriot ss
Lee 1b
Ramirez 3b
DeRosa 2b
Pagan cf
JJones rf
KHill c
RHill p
Stephen
on June 2, 2007 at 11:57 am
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that this is Escobar’s debut….
I see Yunel is wearing LaRoche’s and sadly, Redman’s old number…#19.
Stephen
on June 2, 2007 at 12:13 pm
Nice start for Escobar!
Dustin
on June 2, 2007 at 12:16 pm
I hope it was a hefty fine then.
It seems that two grown men who have the privledge of playing in the major leagues might conduct themselves differently and more maturely (sp).
But I guess when your on the Cubs, it’s hard to do.
BX
on June 2, 2007 at 12:33 pm
I wish we had Rich Hill, or at least his curveball to teach to one of our pitchers.
Nick
on June 2, 2007 at 12:34 pm
Seems to me it’s a team matter, so even if they decided on no disciplinary action whatsoever, it wouldn’t bother me. It’s up to them and what they wanna do about their team.
Also, if Kelly Johnson gets one more day off against a lefty on anything but a day game the day after a night game, I may destroy something. Kelly Johnson should play every single freaking day! Perhaps to resist the urge, Bobby should pretend that KJ is Renteria…because that’s how often he should be playing, dammit! No more Prado, no more Woodward, no more Orr…Johnson every day!!! I cannot emphasize this enough.
Nick
on June 2, 2007 at 12:40 pm
And I fully recognize that McCann needs days off, but I would actually prefer that he get those days off against right-handed pitchers.
Because for God’s sake, it’s not McCann that needs to be pulled against lefties, it’s Thorman. When the hell are we gonna play Salty at first like we said we would in these situations?
Jesus, now Ron Gant, of all people, is speaking the Gospel of Simpson.
My understanding is that in today’s terms, Waddell wasn’t just mentally ill, he was actually retarded.
Dan
on June 2, 2007 at 12:56 pm
Kelly Johnson is like 25 years old. He doesn’t need all this rest, he’s not a 40+ veteran with bad knees. Heck, I think Barry Bonds gets less rest.
We all know Johnson is not playing because, again, of that stupid lefty-vs.-righty match-up fetish that Bobby Cox has. It’s just criminal.
And Martin Prado bats leadoff? He’s an eight hole hitter at best, a nine hole hitter in the AL or maybe in the NL if someone like Dontrelle Willis or Mike Hampton is the starting pitcher.
spike
on June 2, 2007 at 12:57 pm
Sure would have liked to cash that run in, frenchy.
spike
on June 2, 2007 at 12:58 pm
Hence “Rube”
spike
on June 2, 2007 at 12:58 pm
Way to pick ’em up Matt.
Stephen
on June 2, 2007 at 12:59 pm
Diaz!! The guy can really rake: Diaz for the All Star Game…
I’ve read that stuff about Waddell, but I guess I just can’t imagine a genuinely retarded guy doing all the onfield stuff that he did. It’s also been said that he may have had some form of autism.
I wish there was some film of him speaking.
spike
on June 2, 2007 at 1:17 pm
At what point do we start running Diaz out there at 1st with Harris in the OF?
BX
on June 2, 2007 at 1:21 pm
YUNEL!! Nice.
Alex R.
on June 2, 2007 at 1:22 pm
I just got on…is something wrong with Kelly Johnson? Is he hurt? Why isn’t he playing?
(I am now officially posting like this, tongue-in-cheek).
It’s obvious Bobby thinks a 25 year old like KJ needs rest. Explain this to me. Bobby, have you heard of a guy named CAL RIPKEN? Yeah, not every player is Chipper and gets hurt every other week.
These guys are athletes and 25 year old stars who are potentil All Stars should freaking play, especially considering how inconsistently this team scores runs.
Alex R.
on June 2, 2007 at 1:23 pm
Furthermore…no Chipper, no McCann…again, why would this be a day you sit KJ?
And again, why even sit KJ at all? Just stupid.
Martin Prado is a B-A-C-K-U-P.
spike
on June 2, 2007 at 1:25 pm
Just keep throwin’ strikes Chuckie
Alex R.
on June 2, 2007 at 1:25 pm
By the way, with Lance Cormier finally making his first appearance, tomorrow, on June 2nd, did we ever get a good explanation as to why he was out for so darn long after that stellar Spring Training that gave all us the happies?
KLB
on June 2, 2007 at 1:25 pm
FWIW, David O’Brien had this to say about KJ: “Further by the way, Kelly J’s got a ear/sinus/throat thing he’s been trying to shake for a few days, but saw a doctor today and is being rested at least one game and on meds.”
I completely agree with you, Alex, but just to be contrarian I’ll play devil’s advocate and argue the opposite.
KJ is having a stellar year, but despite his great stats he’s been getting a lot of days off. Bobby says stuff like “Gotta get Woody some playing time,” but what if the reason that KJ gets rest is that… KJ needs rest? Maybe KJ wouldn’t put up the numbers he’s had if he played every day. I mean, he’s playing out of position and he’s just a year off Tommy John surgery. Maybe they’re babying him because he needs to be babied.
Just a counterargument. I’m not saying I actually agree with it.
Well, DeRosa certainly qualifies as “gettable” though.
Dan
on June 2, 2007 at 1:28 pm
What is with James and Davies and throwing balls?
Alex R.
on June 2, 2007 at 1:28 pm
AAR, it’s not a crazy argument you’re making but he’s been playing great and he’s 25, plus, there is a huge dropoff from KJ to his potential back-ups: Prado, Orr and Woodward. That maybe the main point for a team, struggling to score some runs. You just don’t sit the 25 yr. old All Star unless he asks for a day off.
And yeah, I get the “it’s a marathon, not a spring” argument about Baseball, but no Chipper or McCann and a potentilly WILD Chuckie James…a recipe for disaster.
Stephen
on June 2, 2007 at 1:29 pm
I hate to give DeRosa a chance to beat us….normally he wouldn’t…
Yeah, these next 2 innings are pretty critical for Atlanta winning the game.
Alex R.
on June 2, 2007 at 1:39 pm
Mac,
I finally took a moment to watch the You Tube posting you have on BJ of the Zambrano scuffle and let me say this: I don’t think any Boxing or UFC announcers are going to worry about their jobs anytime soon, after listening to Joe Simpson describe the fight.
By the way, speaking of the UFC, can someone explain to me why ESPN is nmow shoving this crap down our throats after years of the 4 letter ignoring it?
This is why I hate the 4 letter. They will shove any sports down your throat until you want to vomit it up, if they are showing it. But if it’s a sport they aren’t airing (say like Hockey nowadays), they basically ignore it.
(Yes, Mac, I know you hate Hockey but I will gladly take Hockey over freaking UFC, Golf or Nascar).
It’s just something that always bugs me about ESPN…like the fact that Boo Yah Scott and Screamin’ A. Smith still have jobs. Seriously, you’d think when they showed Michael Irvin the door after football season, they would have locked Screamin A to him out the door?
Alex R.
on June 2, 2007 at 1:41 pm
The kid WGN showed with the Cubbies t-shirt and a Braves hat…he will need years of therapy with that kind of confusion.
spike
on June 2, 2007 at 1:41 pm
Come on, just throw it over the plate.
spike
on June 2, 2007 at 1:42 pm
That’s fine – just keep it up.
Brian J.
on June 2, 2007 at 1:43 pm
Dammit. At least we threw Rich Hill out at third. I think Chuck’s about done.
BX
on June 2, 2007 at 1:43 pm
Well, don’t thorw it like that over the plate.
Alex R.
on June 2, 2007 at 1:43 pm
You gotta be kidding me. Thank God for Frenchy’s arm, however.
spike
on June 2, 2007 at 1:43 pm
I’m a bit surprised they are letting hill hit for himself, but I guess the bullpen is an even worse idea these days.
One day, Bobby will understand that Chuck isn’t good for more than 100 pitches. I mean, he fell apart right on number 100. And now we have to get through the Kali Inning with a one-run lead.
Alex, they’re pushing the UFC because boxing is dead. And as for the fight, apparently the real action was Barrett-Zambrano II, in the clubhouse.
Big D
on June 2, 2007 at 1:45 pm
I just hope Hill’s a little tired now from that run around the bases.
spike
on June 2, 2007 at 1:46 pm
If it’s any comfort, the Cubs pen has been acting like last yyear’s ATL version.
The reason ESPN shows UFC is because it’s become ridiculously popular among the network’s target demographic.
The reason ESPN has minimized its hockey coverage is because the networked dropped the NHL & it’s viewer share remains tiny. I’m a huge hockey fan, but I also know that it’s still a cult sport in America.
Hope Hill is tired from that jaunt around the bases.
Alex R.
on June 2, 2007 at 1:47 pm
Mac..I wish both Boxing and UFC would go away. Why do they have to cover either?
Alex R.
on June 2, 2007 at 1:49 pm
ububba,
No, I get it, I suppose my comment was more out of frustration.
But UFC is really more popular then some psychotic fringe sport? Is that why we were forced recently have an entire “Entourage” episode about it?
Stephen
on June 2, 2007 at 1:49 pm
Maybe Frenchy can help wear Hill down….
Brian J.
on June 2, 2007 at 1:52 pm
Man, Zook can’t sing. Even Harry was a better singer.
Alex R.
on June 2, 2007 at 1:53 pm
Oh My God…Zook is as good of a singer as he is a coach. This is horrible. Just horrible. Make it stop.
spike
on June 2, 2007 at 1:53 pm
UFC is really growing. It’s the next WWE.
Big D
on June 2, 2007 at 1:53 pm
Did he have the words to the song written down?
Alex R.
on June 2, 2007 at 1:53 pm
I actually feel better about the Braves’ chances to close out this game with Ron Zook in that Cubs jersey, rooting them on.
Alex R.
on June 2, 2007 at 1:54 pm
Spike…was that supposed to be a compliment to the UFC?
Yates with a one-run lead. Can we possibly survive?
Alex,
UFC is so popular now you wouldn’t believe it. Its pay-per-view is off the hook & its live gates kick much ass.
I had a friend who was in Vegas last week on business & she tried to buy tickets for the Liddell/Jackson fight. The very worst seats in the house (14,000+) were $250.
My theory: We love our extreme violence packaged as a legit sport. Plus, UFC has the storylines of professional wrestling, but it’s real.
Stephen
on June 2, 2007 at 1:57 pm
Really missing Mike Gonzalez with the game on the line and Kali falling behind Lee…
Alex R.
on June 2, 2007 at 1:59 pm
Raise your hand if you would have like to have seen Roger Goodell’s face when he got this email:
If I were the Stellers assistant, I would have changed my name in the sent email to “Adam Jones”.
spike
on June 2, 2007 at 2:01 pm
As ubuuba said, it’s got more violence than wrestling, and it’s real. Not my cup of tea though. I did see a muay thai kickboxing in bangkok. Extremely brutal.
spike
on June 2, 2007 at 2:01 pm
I would go on and walk Ramirez here
spike
on June 2, 2007 at 2:02 pm
Oh, and bring in Soriano now.
Brian J.
on June 2, 2007 at 2:02 pm
Thanks a heap, Kali. You too, Prado. What does Cox see in these guys?
Mets lead the D’backs 3-1 after six. Sosa’s figured out how to pitch again.
And I can’t muster any enthusiasm for or against UFC, and I’ve learned to accept wrestling as the sweaty soap opera that it is. I try to pay no mind to either.
Alex R.
on June 2, 2007 at 2:02 pm
UFC sells out? Hmmm….and we wonder why psychos run around college campuses shooting innocent people.
On a more pertinent note, stupid, stupid stupid Kali.
Hate King
on June 2, 2007 at 2:02 pm
I’m am leaving to vomit now.
kc
on June 2, 2007 at 2:02 pm
Kali sucks.
BX
on June 2, 2007 at 2:02 pm
Stay in front of the ball Prado. What the hell was that?!
Dan
on June 2, 2007 at 2:02 pm
The combination of Yates and Prado is killing the Braves.
And before there is a whole political argument about violence in our culture, I am politically moderate, for very tough stances regarding terrorism, and even played with GI Joe’s as a kid.
That doesn’t mean I can stomach condoning garbage like UFC. Sorry, to me there is a difference.
Kyle B.
on June 2, 2007 at 2:04 pm
Thank God for Mark Derosa.
With him in the 5 spot, any team deserves to lose.
spike
on June 2, 2007 at 2:04 pm
okay – gotta take the baby to the park now. Maybe my absence will help.
Man, Martin Prado’s really butchered the ball his last couple starts. I know Bobby plays him at a bunch of different positions, but if you can’t hit a lick, you gotta at least flash the leather.
kc
on June 2, 2007 at 2:04 pm
Kali can’t be the 7th inning guy. I really miss Gonzo…
As a culture, we love violence. The evidence is everywhere. It’s no wonder we love violent sports like UFC, or the NFL.
I make no judgments about it, really, but it seems obvious to me.
Ever talk to a European about sports? They’ll tell you how tough soccer or rugby is, but Americans just laugh at that. My response is always, “Have you ever heard of a guy named Jack Tatum?”
Now you can see why I was so relieved that they took Rich Hill out. Thank goodness.
Dan
on June 2, 2007 at 2:13 pm
Somewhere Fidel Castro weeps.
Stephen
on June 2, 2007 at 2:13 pm
Escobar–I hope we see more of him and less of Orr and Woodward….
Alex R.
on June 2, 2007 at 2:13 pm
Is it just me, or anytime there is an e-Harmony commercial, I think of the SNL spoof, “Me-Harmony”.
Alex R.
on June 2, 2007 at 2:14 pm
Stephen,
We only have to worry about not seeing Yunel if he gets the sniffles. You know, like KJ.
Kyle B.
on June 2, 2007 at 2:14 pm
I think Davies has done more at the plate than Prado, Orr and Woodward combined.
BX
on June 2, 2007 at 2:16 pm
I don’t buy the illness excuse for holding KJ out. Did he have a cold when we kept him off the field the day after he nearly went for the cycle?
Alex R.
on June 2, 2007 at 2:16 pm
Ububba, regarding your comment earlier about a violence obssessed culture, yes we are.
And look, I LOVE “24” and I am probably going to see the new “Die Hard” movie the weekend it opens (tonight I am seeing “Knocked Up”–can’t wait) but there is a steep difference for me between some exciting but fake TV series or a movie, versus something like UFC…I don’t get it.
Alex, I can’t wait to see Knocked Up either. I think I’m going this week. I’ll be eager to hear what you think.
Oh, and I really like Edgar. Even when he makes an out, he puts up a tough at-bat every time.
Big D
on June 2, 2007 at 2:19 pm
Yeah, KJ might have a little cold now, but Bobby has seriously been resting him like he’s a catcher or something. At the beginning of the season I thought Cox had mixed up McCann and KJ, cuz KJ was getting tons of rest and B-Mac was playing every single game.
Big D
on June 2, 2007 at 2:19 pm
Alexes, let us know how Knocked Up is. It just doesn’t look that good to me for some reason.
He looked out by a mile to me. I have to think this is just frustration.
kc
on June 2, 2007 at 2:23 pm
Lou is great.
Dan
on June 2, 2007 at 2:23 pm
Lou has gone mad!
Kyle B.
on June 2, 2007 at 2:23 pm
That’s a game changer in my opinion. My high school coach had seizures if anyone got the first or third out at third. I’m not sure about the second out, but he always made a point about the first and third out.
Alex R.
on June 2, 2007 at 2:23 pm
Piniella should get his own ARCHIVES on “You Tube”.
The announcers are even saying Lou’s rant is more of a frustration thing.
Alex R.
on June 2, 2007 at 2:24 pm
Oh, he was clearly out. Please.
spike
on June 2, 2007 at 2:25 pm
He didn’t try to steal 3rd w/ no out did he?
Dan
on June 2, 2007 at 2:25 pm
Oh for crying out loud.
Kyle B.
on June 2, 2007 at 2:25 pm
Yes.
Big D
on June 2, 2007 at 2:25 pm
How retarded is that? Come on. Stupid fans.
spike
on June 2, 2007 at 2:25 pm
Man, you’d better hope Lou ordered that, boy.
Kyle B.
on June 2, 2007 at 2:25 pm
Gameday: “On-field delay”
Alex R.
on June 2, 2007 at 2:26 pm
Ok, I am also a Spurs fan and after witnessing the Spurs win in Salt Lake City this past Monday, the debris on the field/court thing is getting really old for my teams to have to deal with.
It shows a complete and dispicable lack of class by a team’s fans.
So, from the radio, it sounds like Pagan should’ve had a triple, then he gets tossed at 3rd. Sounds like Lou should be as mad at his players or 3rd-base coach as the ump.
After Lou left, the fans littered the warning track with trash…from one foul pole to the other.
JoeyT
on June 2, 2007 at 2:28 pm
On the Cubs broadcast (I’m flipping back and forth during this), they showed an overhead shot of the groundscrew running off, and someone threw something that made a gigantic splash. Like, HUGE. Kind of scary huge.
Kyle B.
on June 2, 2007 at 2:29 pm
That’s terrible
spike
on June 2, 2007 at 2:29 pm
still – if you try for third w/ no outs late, you’d better make it.
JoeyT
on June 2, 2007 at 2:29 pm
Yeah, Alex. That’s what I saw, too.
Alex R.
on June 2, 2007 at 2:29 pm
JoeyT-
Yeah, I just posted on that as well. That’s dispicable and if they caught that fan. he should lose his freaking season tickets. That’s sickening.
Big D
on June 2, 2007 at 2:29 pm
Did he just say “the fans have been the MVP today”? After what just happened?
spike
on June 2, 2007 at 2:30 pm
Hell, forfeit it. It’ll make people think rwice before they d oit again.
I believe one of the broadcasters said that when Soriano is facing left-handed hitters, 86% of the time he throws his fastball.
Big D
on June 2, 2007 at 2:31 pm
I’d go for that, Spike. Or some kind of punishment to the team. You have to discourage it somehow.
JoeyT
on June 2, 2007 at 2:32 pm
I was thinking the same thing, spike. When they took the Braves off the field, on one of the broadcasts they went to a shot of the press room. For a second, I thought they were going to call it, then I realized they were just showing Pinella’s rant from yesterday.
If people are throwing objects, they should probably stop the game. If the home team is behind, they should probably just call it.
Alex R.
on June 2, 2007 at 2:32 pm
$10 says Zambrano was in the crowd and he started the debris thing…
What if they aren’t season ticket holders?…I’d say just ban them from the park for a year.
Alex R.
on June 2, 2007 at 2:35 pm
Yes, I made my first visit ever to Wrigley with my wife in April of 2006 but we had to leave by the 6th inning to get back to her Grandmother’s for Passover.
Apparently, Jeff Francoeur never gets the sniffles.
Alex R.
on June 2, 2007 at 2:37 pm
Jay-
I couldn’t agree more. Season ticket holders or not, they should be banned from the park for aminimum of a year. I am dead serious.
Not only is throwing stuff dangersous to the players, the umps, the crew and other fans, it’s a horrible thing to be doing in front of the little kids in front of the park. I guess with my first child on the way later this year, I am definitely thinking about these things a lot more.
Stephen
on June 2, 2007 at 2:37 pm
Good point–but they are plenty nasty.
Big D
on June 2, 2007 at 2:40 pm
Bring on Wickmania!
James
on June 2, 2007 at 2:41 pm
A man died one day, and while in Purgatory, he was given two choices. He could live in Purgatory, have a miserable existence for which there may be no way out. Or, he could come back to Earth and be a Cubs fan.
He chooses to stay in Purgatory. At least there he doesn’t have false hope
I’ve been to a half-dozen games at Wrigley since 1980 & I’ve never seen so many people so pickled.
I last went in ’03 for a Braves 4-game series & remember seeing a guy teetering so badly outside the stadium that he couldn’t negotiate a street curb. He was so loopy that that he couldn’t lift his feet high enough to make the sidewalk, so he tripped & did a header into some bushes. It was like a cartoon.
I mean, I like my medicine, too, but acting the fool is not part of my repertoire.
For Cub-fan haters, here’s Lee Elia’s classic 1983 tirade:
which is worse, managing the cubbies or the d-rays with half the payroll?
Brian J.
on June 2, 2007 at 3:02 pm
Cubbies. With the Devil Rays, Lou had some promising players and low expectations. Now, he has little youth and a huge payroll spent mostly on mediocrities.
And unfortunately, the Mets beat the Diamondbacks 7-1, so we’re still 3 1/2 out.
Nick
on June 2, 2007 at 3:35 pm
That may be my favorite coach/managerial tirade of all time. And oh so true. The Cubs have by far the most annoying and detestable fans in all of baseball, and probably in all the sports world. The key is that they act arrogant as hell, but what do they have to be arrogant about? They have the arrogance of Yankees fans but their team is the biggest joke in sports!
The lovable losers thing is unbelievably infuriating! They assume that the entire country loves them, when in fact the entire country wishes that they would go to hell!
I actually hope the Cubs never win a World Series, so that those jackasses will continually be miserable for the rest of their lives. What a bunch of assholes!
From last thread:
No problem everyone, glad I could supply the video. And the grenade move was hilarious, but he’s gotta be fired, apparently he’s done this type of thing many times as recent as a few months ago.
http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070507/SPORTS01/705070321/1002/SPORTS
He may need to be fired, but I think there should be a reality show following his career, too. Or, perhaps he could become a manager-consultant, whose primary mission is to invent new ways for managers to go ape-sh*t. The guy’s clearly gifted. And while embarrasing to his players and the organization, talent like this ought not rot on the vine.
Phillip is obviously not a Well Man.
Here’s a different camera angle on the Cubs clubhouse fight:
They fired me to make room for that guy?
i was there…it was not amusing at all, he needs medication. the call was questionable but not worthy of that…not over balls and strikes. Villa was ejected because they thought he was pine tarring the balls. i left after that.
I should add that there is a long tradition in baseball of laughing at such incidents that are in fact evidence of mental illness. Two examples: Jimmy Piersall running the bases backwards, and Tony Horton crawling back to the dugout after a strikeout. Both played for laughs; both players were in fact severely mentally ill.
Jay10–Just now saw the video so I want to say Thanks as well (no pun intended).
And I was beginning to think that problem with the Braves’ farm system was Bruce Dal Canton….
They’ve just posted the lineups:
Braves:
Prado 2b
Escobar 3b
Renteria ss
AJones cf
Francoeur rf
Diaz lf
Saltalamacchia c
Thorman 1b
James p
Cubs:
Soriano lf
Theriot ss
Lee 1b
Ramirez 3b
DeRosa 2b
Pagan cf
JJones rf
KHill c
RHill p
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that this is Escobar’s debut….
You are correct Stephen, this is Escobar’s major league debut.
our 2 sparks are our of the lineup and 2 unproven major leaguers are at the top of the order. pure genius. if this turns out good then color me blind.
I think the worst of the Barrett-Zambrano bout happened in the clubhouse after they were taken out of the game.
Lou Pinella at the end of his press conference got pretty aggrivated and and just walked off.
Any word on if they got suspened or anything yet?
Why is Prado leading off? I’d much rather see my hero Kelly Johnson there.
Both were fined but neither has been suspended. As you see, Barrett isn’t starting, but he is available.
Dustin, as far as I know just fines by Pinella, Barrett isn’t starting today but WGN said he is available to pinch hit.
Nice…congrats Yunel!
Welcome to the majors, Yunel! Great first at-bat.
I see Yunel is wearing LaRoche’s and sadly, Redman’s old number…#19.
Nice start for Escobar!
I hope it was a hefty fine then.
It seems that two grown men who have the privledge of playing in the major leagues might conduct themselves differently and more maturely (sp).
But I guess when your on the Cubs, it’s hard to do.
I wish we had Rich Hill, or at least his curveball to teach to one of our pitchers.
Seems to me it’s a team matter, so even if they decided on no disciplinary action whatsoever, it wouldn’t bother me. It’s up to them and what they wanna do about their team.
Also, if Kelly Johnson gets one more day off against a lefty on anything but a day game the day after a night game, I may destroy something. Kelly Johnson should play every single freaking day! Perhaps to resist the urge, Bobby should pretend that KJ is Renteria…because that’s how often he should be playing, dammit! No more Prado, no more Woodward, no more Orr…Johnson every day!!! I cannot emphasize this enough.
And I fully recognize that McCann needs days off, but I would actually prefer that he get those days off against right-handed pitchers.
Because for God’s sake, it’s not McCann that needs to be pulled against lefties, it’s Thorman. When the hell are we gonna play Salty at first like we said we would in these situations?
Can we turn this inning into a couple runs? I hope Prado is OK.
Re: Mentally Ill Ballplayers.
I believe Rube Waddell also fell into that category. Like many early-century ballplayers, he also liked adult beverages a bit too much.
He was so loony, apparently, that he would chase fire engines—while a game was in progress. He was an amazing, fireballing pitcher, but crazy as hell.
Renty!
Attaboy Edgar!
Jesus, now Ron Gant, of all people, is speaking the Gospel of Simpson.
My understanding is that in today’s terms, Waddell wasn’t just mentally ill, he was actually retarded.
Kelly Johnson is like 25 years old. He doesn’t need all this rest, he’s not a 40+ veteran with bad knees. Heck, I think Barry Bonds gets less rest.
We all know Johnson is not playing because, again, of that stupid lefty-vs.-righty match-up fetish that Bobby Cox has. It’s just criminal.
And Martin Prado bats leadoff? He’s an eight hole hitter at best, a nine hole hitter in the AL or maybe in the NL if someone like Dontrelle Willis or Mike Hampton is the starting pitcher.
Sure would have liked to cash that run in, frenchy.
Hence “Rube”
Way to pick ’em up Matt.
Diaz!! The guy can really rake: Diaz for the All Star Game…
I just found the extended version of Wellman’s shenanigans.
Big inning here – if james can keep from giving any back, I like our chances to close it out.
Jesus, that’s not what we wanted there.
Nice pitch, Chuckie. One more out.
Well that’s one.
Whew!!
That was kinda close, but Chuck gets away unscathed.
Great job Chuckie, getting out of that mess.
Awesome. And the pitcher’s spot due up first next inning. That was Chuckie’s plan all along.
Way to go, Chucky.
I’ve read that stuff about Waddell, but I guess I just can’t imagine a genuinely retarded guy doing all the onfield stuff that he did. It’s also been said that he may have had some form of autism.
I wish there was some film of him speaking.
At what point do we start running Diaz out there at 1st with Harris in the OF?
YUNEL!! Nice.
I just got on…is something wrong with Kelly Johnson? Is he hurt? Why isn’t he playing?
(I am now officially posting like this, tongue-in-cheek).
It’s obvious Bobby thinks a 25 year old like KJ needs rest. Explain this to me. Bobby, have you heard of a guy named CAL RIPKEN? Yeah, not every player is Chipper and gets hurt every other week.
These guys are athletes and 25 year old stars who are potentil All Stars should freaking play, especially considering how inconsistently this team scores runs.
Furthermore…no Chipper, no McCann…again, why would this be a day you sit KJ?
And again, why even sit KJ at all? Just stupid.
Martin Prado is a B-A-C-K-U-P.
Just keep throwin’ strikes Chuckie
By the way, with Lance Cormier finally making his first appearance, tomorrow, on June 2nd, did we ever get a good explanation as to why he was out for so darn long after that stellar Spring Training that gave all us the happies?
FWIW, David O’Brien had this to say about KJ: “Further by the way, Kelly J’s got a ear/sinus/throat thing he’s been trying to shake for a few days, but saw a doctor today and is being rested at least one game and on meds.”
I completely agree with you, Alex, but just to be contrarian I’ll play devil’s advocate and argue the opposite.
KJ is having a stellar year, but despite his great stats he’s been getting a lot of days off. Bobby says stuff like “Gotta get Woody some playing time,” but what if the reason that KJ gets rest is that… KJ needs rest? Maybe KJ wouldn’t put up the numbers he’s had if he played every day. I mean, he’s playing out of position and he’s just a year off Tommy John surgery. Maybe they’re babying him because he needs to be babied.
Just a counterargument. I’m not saying I actually agree with it.
I meant June 3rd.
I said strikes, pal.
melt down alert
Well, DeRosa certainly qualifies as “gettable” though.
What is with James and Davies and throwing balls?
AAR, it’s not a crazy argument you’re making but he’s been playing great and he’s 25, plus, there is a huge dropoff from KJ to his potential back-ups: Prado, Orr and Woodward. That maybe the main point for a team, struggling to score some runs. You just don’t sit the 25 yr. old All Star unless he asks for a day off.
And yeah, I get the “it’s a marathon, not a spring” argument about Baseball, but no Chipper or McCann and a potentilly WILD Chuckie James…a recipe for disaster.
I hate to give DeRosa a chance to beat us….normally he wouldn’t…
Better him than ramirez/Lee
Oh yeah.
Mark DeRosa is still Mark DeRosa. Thankfully.
Two innings to Soriano.
Hey! Chuckie had it all under control the whole time.
Well done James! Lets keep McBride and Moylan in the bullpen…
chuck needs to man up and give us one more solid inning.
Chuckie gittin’ the ball up, dinger Soriano on a belt high hit me pitch makes it 3 to 1 after 5. Chuckie poopin’ out with 89 pitches, Hill with 70.
welcome to the bigs yunnel
good to see the offense make hill sweat
“Well of a job,” Ron?
I’m feeling pretty thankful for those 3 runs.
I’d love to see Chucky get through the bottom of the order next inning, but I’m not holding my breath.
Anybody know our W-L record in games that Chipper sits? Just curious.
I don’t want to jinx Chuckie, but is this the first time all year that Chuck James and Kyle Davies have had back-to-back good starts?
erghhhhhhhhhhhhh
Dangerous question–but it would be nice to start a trend. This should be a critical inning for James…
Yeah, these next 2 innings are pretty critical for Atlanta winning the game.
Mac,
I finally took a moment to watch the You Tube posting you have on BJ of the Zambrano scuffle and let me say this: I don’t think any Boxing or UFC announcers are going to worry about their jobs anytime soon, after listening to Joe Simpson describe the fight.
By the way, speaking of the UFC, can someone explain to me why ESPN is nmow shoving this crap down our throats after years of the 4 letter ignoring it?
This is why I hate the 4 letter. They will shove any sports down your throat until you want to vomit it up, if they are showing it. But if it’s a sport they aren’t airing (say like Hockey nowadays), they basically ignore it.
(Yes, Mac, I know you hate Hockey but I will gladly take Hockey over freaking UFC, Golf or Nascar).
It’s just something that always bugs me about ESPN…like the fact that Boo Yah Scott and Screamin’ A. Smith still have jobs. Seriously, you’d think when they showed Michael Irvin the door after football season, they would have locked Screamin A to him out the door?
The kid WGN showed with the Cubbies t-shirt and a Braves hat…he will need years of therapy with that kind of confusion.
Come on, just throw it over the plate.
That’s fine – just keep it up.
Dammit. At least we threw Rich Hill out at third. I think Chuck’s about done.
Well, don’t thorw it like that over the plate.
You gotta be kidding me. Thank God for Frenchy’s arm, however.
I’m a bit surprised they are letting hill hit for himself, but I guess the bullpen is an even worse idea these days.
What the hell?
I wish they had pinch hit for Hill…
James is so done.
One day, Bobby will understand that Chuck isn’t good for more than 100 pitches. I mean, he fell apart right on number 100. And now we have to get through the Kali Inning with a one-run lead.
Alex, they’re pushing the UFC because boxing is dead. And as for the fight, apparently the real action was Barrett-Zambrano II, in the clubhouse.
I just hope Hill’s a little tired now from that run around the bases.
If it’s any comfort, the Cubs pen has been acting like last yyear’s ATL version.
Ron Zook on the 7th inning stretch!!! LOL.
Alex,
The reason ESPN shows UFC is because it’s become ridiculously popular among the network’s target demographic.
The reason ESPN has minimized its hockey coverage is because the networked dropped the NHL & it’s viewer share remains tiny. I’m a huge hockey fan, but I also know that it’s still a cult sport in America.
Hope Hill is tired from that jaunt around the bases.
Mac..I wish both Boxing and UFC would go away. Why do they have to cover either?
ububba,
No, I get it, I suppose my comment was more out of frustration.
But UFC is really more popular then some psychotic fringe sport? Is that why we were forced recently have an entire “Entourage” episode about it?
Maybe Frenchy can help wear Hill down….
Man, Zook can’t sing. Even Harry was a better singer.
Oh My God…Zook is as good of a singer as he is a coach. This is horrible. Just horrible. Make it stop.
UFC is really growing. It’s the next WWE.
Did he have the words to the song written down?
I actually feel better about the Braves’ chances to close out this game with Ron Zook in that Cubs jersey, rooting them on.
Spike…was that supposed to be a compliment to the UFC?
Yates with a one-run lead. Can we possibly survive?
Alex,
UFC is so popular now you wouldn’t believe it. Its pay-per-view is off the hook & its live gates kick much ass.
I had a friend who was in Vegas last week on business & she tried to buy tickets for the Liddell/Jackson fight. The very worst seats in the house (14,000+) were $250.
My theory: We love our extreme violence packaged as a legit sport. Plus, UFC has the storylines of professional wrestling, but it’s real.
Really missing Mike Gonzalez with the game on the line and Kali falling behind Lee…
Raise your hand if you would have like to have seen Roger Goodell’s face when he got this email:
http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/shared-gen/ap/General_Football_News/FBN_Steelers_Zierlein_Apology.html?imw=Y
If I were the Stellers assistant, I would have changed my name in the sent email to “Adam Jones”.
As ubuuba said, it’s got more violence than wrestling, and it’s real. Not my cup of tea though. I did see a muay thai kickboxing in bangkok. Extremely brutal.
I would go on and walk Ramirez here
Oh, and bring in Soriano now.
Thanks a heap, Kali. You too, Prado. What does Cox see in these guys?
Mets lead the D’backs 3-1 after six. Sosa’s figured out how to pitch again.
And I can’t muster any enthusiasm for or against UFC, and I’ve learned to accept wrestling as the sweaty soap opera that it is. I try to pay no mind to either.
UFC sells out? Hmmm….and we wonder why psychos run around college campuses shooting innocent people.
On a more pertinent note, stupid, stupid stupid Kali.
I’m am leaving to vomit now.
Kali sucks.
Stay in front of the ball Prado. What the hell was that?!
The combination of Yates and Prado is killing the Braves.
…and learn how to type
What’s wrong with Prado.
2 run HR? Gamecast is stuck
There goes a “W” for Chuckie.
Ugh.
eh, could be worse.
that was terrible
Ugh…Kali is making this unbearable.
And before there is a whole political argument about violence in our culture, I am politically moderate, for very tough stances regarding terrorism, and even played with GI Joe’s as a kid.
That doesn’t mean I can stomach condoning garbage like UFC. Sorry, to me there is a difference.
Thank God for Mark Derosa.
With him in the 5 spot, any team deserves to lose.
okay – gotta take the baby to the park now. Maybe my absence will help.
What’s right with Prado?
Man, Martin Prado’s really butchered the ball his last couple starts. I know Bobby plays him at a bunch of different positions, but if you can’t hit a lick, you gotta at least flash the leather.
Kali can’t be the 7th inning guy. I really miss Gonzo…
If Chuckie pulled a Zambrano on Prado or Kali nobody would blame him.
By the way, Kelly Johnson would have made that play. We can officially blame Cox.
If you play at Wrigley long enough, you begin to play like the Cubs.
Why watch UFC when I can just watch Bloodsport on a TBS rerun?
“What’s wrong with Prado”
He sucks?
This inning aptly illustrates the cliche about the weakest link in the chain–except in this case the Braves have two weak links….
I am just relieved to see Rich Hill out of the game.
KJ is sicked according to DOB…so, can’t blame him on that one…
AAR,
Exactly…and it’s just a movie, unlike UFC.
Wow…Ohman looks exactly like Mike Stanton. Weird.
Good eye, Thor!
What was the guy’s name for the Cubs who played right field yesterday? He looked like Ralph Malph and played like Potsy.
God Woodward sucks. Do we have no other pinch hitters?
COBRA-KAI DOJO HOORAH
i agree, let jack bauer brutally torture anyone, as long as it’s in the name of freedom. it is just sad that ufc can pass as entertainment.
now welcome our savior woodward to the plate.
I was going to ask why you’d use one of your few pinch-hitters to bunt, but then I remembered it was Woodward and that’s all he’s good for.
Wouldn’t that have been Matt Murton?
Yeah, that was him. Thanks AR.
You suck Prado.
That’s right Mac. It’s good that he didn’t hit into a DP.
Alex,
As a culture, we love violence. The evidence is everywhere. It’s no wonder we love violent sports like UFC, or the NFL.
I make no judgments about it, really, but it seems obvious to me.
Ever talk to a European about sports? They’ll tell you how tough soccer or rugby is, but Americans just laugh at that. My response is always, “Have you ever heard of a guy named Jack Tatum?”
Hey, Chris Woodward got a bunt down. So he made an out, but he was supposed to.
Martin Prado is so worthless.
Swing at that first pitch
Prado sucks
Ok, Maybe KJ has a cold, but why couldn’t he have pinch hit there for effing Prado?
And a–hole Cubs announcers, why is your frakking bullpen on the frakking field? Jerks.
Can anyone think of a reason why Harris or KJ didn’t get an AB there?
YUNEL!
YES! What a debut, Escobar!
Yunel!
Yunel has already done more than Orr, Prado, and Woodward combined have all year.
Escobar rules.
Mac-
AMEN.
Escobar! That is the first at bat I have seen from him today. How has he looked? I like his stance.
I love this kid…too bad there’s nowhere he can play.
Thank goodness for Escober!!!
Well there you go – CUb’s BP, good as advertised.
WOO-HOO! I thought we were gonna have to wait until the ninth to score.
Hey Chipper…take your time, buddy.
Viva Yunel Escobar.
Pretty darned good, HK. His first AB was about 10 pitches before he popped a single into right center.
Too bad these aren’t on the SAT’s any more.
Yunel Escobar:Martin Prado::Willie Harris:Ryan Langerhans
Spike,
Now you can see why I was so relieved that they took Rich Hill out. Thank goodness.
Somewhere Fidel Castro weeps.
Escobar–I hope we see more of him and less of Orr and Woodward….
Is it just me, or anytime there is an e-Harmony commercial, I think of the SNL spoof, “Me-Harmony”.
Stephen,
We only have to worry about not seeing Yunel if he gets the sniffles. You know, like KJ.
I think Davies has done more at the plate than Prado, Orr and Woodward combined.
I don’t buy the illness excuse for holding KJ out. Did he have a cold when we kept him off the field the day after he nearly went for the cycle?
Ububba, regarding your comment earlier about a violence obssessed culture, yes we are.
And look, I LOVE “24” and I am probably going to see the new “Die Hard” movie the weekend it opens (tonight I am seeing “Knocked Up”–can’t wait) but there is a steep difference for me between some exciting but fake TV series or a movie, versus something like UFC…I don’t get it.
Kyle,
That is a very accurate statement.
Alex, I can’t wait to see Knocked Up either. I think I’m going this week. I’ll be eager to hear what you think.
Oh, and I really like Edgar. Even when he makes an out, he puts up a tough at-bat every time.
Yeah, KJ might have a little cold now, but Bobby has seriously been resting him like he’s a catcher or something. At the beginning of the season I thought Cox had mixed up McCann and KJ, cuz KJ was getting tons of rest and B-Mac was playing every single game.
Alexes, let us know how Knocked Up is. It just doesn’t look that good to me for some reason.
Alex,
And I don’t get NASCAR, really—to me, it’s a series of left turns. But to each his own…
Alright, Soriano, clampdown time.
I’m definitely going to see Knocked up too, it looks hilarious!
Crap. and again, thank god for Frenchy’s arm or that’s a definite triple.
Wait, Sori this is a close game…remember
Allright…scary goatee time. Let’s go.
ububba…couldn’t agree more. The only thing I hate more then Nascar is Golf which (to me) is akin to watching paint dry.
Knocked up…the reviews have been stellar so I am excited.
Salty—awesome!
Great throw Salty! Great tag Yunel! Great rant Lou!
Salty with the gun!
That looked like a bad throw out of Salty’s hand, but hell yeah.
There’s reason #1 why we should keep Salty…at least for 1st.
Piniella is freaking hilarious!
Lou is gonna have a stroke if he doesn’t calm down…Vintage Lou!
He looked out by a mile to me. I have to think this is just frustration.
Lou is great.
Lou has gone mad!
That’s a game changer in my opinion. My high school coach had seizures if anyone got the first or third out at third. I’m not sure about the second out, but he always made a point about the first and third out.
Piniella should get his own ARCHIVES on “You Tube”.
I think Lou is trying to fire up his team.
Lou Piniella? Frustrated?
The announcers are even saying Lou’s rant is more of a frustration thing.
Oh, he was clearly out. Please.
He didn’t try to steal 3rd w/ no out did he?
Oh for crying out loud.
Yes.
How retarded is that? Come on. Stupid fans.
Man, you’d better hope Lou ordered that, boy.
Gameday: “On-field delay”
Ok, I am also a Spurs fan and after witnessing the Spurs win in Salt Lake City this past Monday, the debris on the field/court thing is getting really old for my teams to have to deal with.
It shows a complete and dispicable lack of class by a team’s fans.
Sorry guys, I can’t see. What happened?
So, from the radio, it sounds like Pagan should’ve had a triple, then he gets tossed at 3rd. Sounds like Lou should be as mad at his players or 3rd-base coach as the ump.
Lou Piniella=Phil Wellman.
Great replay by WGN…he was out, no doubt about it.
You stay classy, Chicago.
Spike, he wasn’t stealing, the ball skipped away from Salty a little bit, but he recovered and threw him out.
He was out by a mile.
Sweet Lou! I think tha Pinella is just being himself–but at least he is not pulling a Wellman….
Holy sh–…did you guys see that? While that poor grounds crew wwere running off the field, some evil prick tossed a bottle at ONE OF THE GROUNDS CREW.
that’s just sickening.
Kyle,
After Lou left, the fans littered the warning track with trash…from one foul pole to the other.
On the Cubs broadcast (I’m flipping back and forth during this), they showed an overhead shot of the groundscrew running off, and someone threw something that made a gigantic splash. Like, HUGE. Kind of scary huge.
That’s terrible
still – if you try for third w/ no outs late, you’d better make it.
Yeah, Alex. That’s what I saw, too.
JoeyT-
Yeah, I just posted on that as well. That’s dispicable and if they caught that fan. he should lose his freaking season tickets. That’s sickening.
Did he just say “the fans have been the MVP today”? After what just happened?
Hell, forfeit it. It’ll make people think rwice before they d oit again.
Pete steals Skip’s favorite line: “Just can’t beat fun at the old ballpark.”
Cubs fans have officially shown what many of us believed – that a great deal of them have no class.
(I won’t say all is since most of my wife’s family and a portion of my family are nice Cubs fans).
I believe one of the broadcasters said that when Soriano is facing left-handed hitters, 86% of the time he throws his fastball.
I’d go for that, Spike. Or some kind of punishment to the team. You have to discourage it somehow.
I was thinking the same thing, spike. When they took the Braves off the field, on one of the broadcasts they went to a shot of the press room. For a second, I thought they were going to call it, then I realized they were just showing Pinella’s rant from yesterday.
If people are throwing objects, they should probably stop the game. If the home team is behind, they should probably just call it.
$10 says Zambrano was in the crowd and he started the debris thing…
Alex,
I’m sure you’ve been to Wrigley & know that a remarkable amount of their fans (esp. the Bleacher Creatures) are remarkably hammered.
I am only listening on the radio, but the fans sound like Philly fans rather than those of the Cubs. What a meltdown….
Joey T and Spike-
Totally agree. And any fans caught throwing debris on the field should lose their season tickets.
If Bud Selig had any class or any balls whatsoever, he would seriously punish the organization for not disciplining their fans.
Yes!
Druw! Heating up
Andruw!!!
Andruw!!
Maybe Andruw was hit by a water bottle, and it had the same effect as being hit by a pitch.
What do we say, Alex?
*thanks, ‘drew*
or *thanks, Wuertz*, I suppose
Andruw!
Stephen,
Philly fans hate themselves more than any team they may root for, so they don’t bother with throwing things.
Alex,
What if they aren’t season ticket holders?…I’d say just ban them from the park for a year.
Yes, I made my first visit ever to Wrigley with my wife in April of 2006 but we had to leave by the 6th inning to get back to her Grandmother’s for Passover.
I thankfully missed the blitzed crowd…
Apparently, Jeff Francoeur never gets the sniffles.
Jay-
I couldn’t agree more. Season ticket holders or not, they should be banned from the park for aminimum of a year. I am dead serious.
Not only is throwing stuff dangersous to the players, the umps, the crew and other fans, it’s a horrible thing to be doing in front of the little kids in front of the park. I guess with my first child on the way later this year, I am definitely thinking about these things a lot more.
Good point–but they are plenty nasty.
Bring on Wickmania!
A man died one day, and while in Purgatory, he was given two choices. He could live in Purgatory, have a miserable existence for which there may be no way out. Or, he could come back to Earth and be a Cubs fan.
He chooses to stay in Purgatory. At least there he doesn’t have false hope
I’ve been to a half-dozen games at Wrigley since 1980 & I’ve never seen so many people so pickled.
I last went in ’03 for a Braves 4-game series & remember seeing a guy teetering so badly outside the stadium that he couldn’t negotiate a street curb. He was so loopy that that he couldn’t lift his feet high enough to make the sidewalk, so he tripped & did a header into some bushes. It was like a cartoon.
I mean, I like my medicine, too, but acting the fool is not part of my repertoire.
For Cub-fan haters, here’s Lee Elia’s classic 1983 tirade:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv23pqH9iG0
I am so glad Soriano is no longer in our division…
bring on the clowns!
kc-
AMEN.
I really hate it when umpires do that — and Froemming is probably the worst at it. Yeah, he swung, but let them appeal.
Ring him up.
Ballgame!
And another Wickman save and another win. I could get used to this.
VICTORY!!
whew.
C’mon Lance….
YEAH!!!
Wickmania!!
beedee-
Did you raise your arms, Johnny Drama style?
is there any other way?
Thank you. We will take it. Let’s get win one more & get outta there before the Cubs remember they’re in the Major Leagues.
which is worse, managing the cubbies or the d-rays with half the payroll?
Cubbies. With the Devil Rays, Lou had some promising players and low expectations. Now, he has little youth and a huge payroll spent mostly on mediocrities.
And unfortunately, the Mets beat the Diamondbacks 7-1, so we’re still 3 1/2 out.
That may be my favorite coach/managerial tirade of all time. And oh so true. The Cubs have by far the most annoying and detestable fans in all of baseball, and probably in all the sports world. The key is that they act arrogant as hell, but what do they have to be arrogant about? They have the arrogance of Yankees fans but their team is the biggest joke in sports!
The lovable losers thing is unbelievably infuriating! They assume that the entire country loves them, when in fact the entire country wishes that they would go to hell!
I actually hope the Cubs never win a World Series, so that those jackasses will continually be miserable for the rest of their lives. What a bunch of assholes!