I’m glad Bobby’s going with Prado at 3rd. I think that also tells you what the FO plans are. I don’t think you would move Prado off of 2nd where he’s been all year, if you are actively pursuing a 3rd baseman. I could be wrong of course.
Also, is it wrong of me to hope the Phils are bringing back Utley too quickly?
The Phils scare the crap out of me. Here’s hoping they fall on their face this week and we don’t suck against the Nats.
ryan c
on August 17, 2010 at 2:08 pm
i’m not qualified for this, but i know some of you are. i’d like to see someone put together an “all gimpy” team. the starting pitchers would have to be mark prior and mike hampton.
csg
on August 17, 2010 at 2:12 pm
Bethany from the last thread…..
I love it when you get someone from ESPN reporting that the Braves havent made any contacts with the Cubs about Ramirez, but you have Bowman quoting Wren saying that they did
@4 I know! It’s quite odd. Is it just people talking to “sources” who are making stuff up, or are ignorant and giving out guesses, which the journalist or blogger than takes as fact?
csg
on August 17, 2010 at 2:28 pm
perfect DL team…
SP- Kerry Wood
SP- Mark Prior
SP- Mike Hampton
SP- Carl Pavano
SP- Rich Harden
honorable mentions – Ben Sheets and Brandon Wood
Aren’t the Phils really tight on money this year? I realize that people close to the Braves seemed convinced that a Manny deal won’t happen, but could the Phillies even block the move, since they have no money wiggle room?
#8 – they did say that before adding Oswalt, so I would expect them to block it with no intentions on trading for Manny
csg
on August 17, 2010 at 2:41 pm
infante
heyward
prado
diaz
glaus
aag
melky
ross
minor
spike
on August 17, 2010 at 2:47 pm
they did say that before adding Oswalt, so I would expect them to block it with no intentions on trading for Manny
But if you block a move, the other team can give you the player, and you MUST take and pay them. That’s why some players clear. I could certainly see LA doing just that, they are going nowhere, 6M would pay for something useful next year, and they certainly won’t offer arb.
ryan c
on August 17, 2010 at 2:49 pm
against a lefty, i’d seriously consider batting heyward 8th in that lineup, moving everyone else up one. he has a .671 ops against them.
csg
on August 17, 2010 at 2:50 pm
#12 – good point
csg
on August 17, 2010 at 2:55 pm
which happens 1st?
Micah Owings becomes a hitter
Jeff Francoeur becomes a pitcher
ryan c
on August 17, 2010 at 2:55 pm
tonight will be a big test for minor because the nationals lineup that is out there tonight rakes against lhp.
I don’t see us making a move until we see if Inge clears waivers. I don’t see that happening.
csg
on August 17, 2010 at 3:01 pm
Utley, Prado, and Pedroia all activated today…lot of happy fans out there
spike
on August 17, 2010 at 3:07 pm
@20 – good. I like a relatively fair fight. Although, both the Phils and Braves have terrific records even with their depleted teams – I think the Phils are 18-5 or something over the last 3 weeks. I can’t imagine them playing even better than that over the last 45.
Tony
on August 17, 2010 at 3:07 pm
Finally I get to see the Braves on TV again, I guess I will have to mute Carpenter and Dibble. The Orioles have really good announcers, while the Nats announcers sucks. I guess since the Orioles own MASN, that’s the way it is.
– Eric Chavez. What ever happened to him?
– Minor watch out for Zimmerman, somehow he has 24 HR.
– So happy to have Prado back. Did I see AAG head first slide into 3rd base last night on the highlights?
Hanan
on August 17, 2010 at 3:07 pm
I’m in the mood for a series sweep. The last one came against the Royals 2 months ago, and it’s time for another. It would be nice if the Giants get it together and take 2/3 from the Phillies while we’re at it.
JoeyT
on August 17, 2010 at 3:10 pm
@21 Relatively fair? Have you seen their payroll? I don’t think a pennant race against any team that can buy a pitcher like Oswalt midseason is going to be fair.
Stu
on August 17, 2010 at 3:11 pm
Boy, if you’d told me Ross was starting for McCann, I’d have nailed the lineup. I know me some Bobby.
mraver
on August 17, 2010 at 3:15 pm
I like today’s lineup a lot. Both in terms of construction and in terms of scoring runs. Let’s see if Minor can keep us in the game.
Michael
on August 17, 2010 at 3:17 pm
“Did I see AAG head first slide into 3rd base last night on the highlights?”
I think that would have been Infante on his triple.
Stu
on August 17, 2010 at 3:18 pm
No, it was AAG, on that wild pitch in the 9th.
Tony
on August 17, 2010 at 3:19 pm
Thanks, Stu. I know b/c now everytime I see a braves going in head first I cringe.
Stu
on August 17, 2010 at 3:25 pm
I’m with you. And there was not even a throw there; I remember cringing at the time.
Alex
on August 17, 2010 at 3:48 pm
Off topic, but maybe someone (with a B-Ref subscription?) can help me here.
Suppose there’s a runner on third, two out. The batter strikes out but the ball gets past the catcher. If the runner from third scores before the batter is thrown out at first, does the run count?
Why, because it’s a force play? I guess. Then it no longer makes any sense to me why, in a bases-loaded situation, if the batter reaches on a K/WP he doesn’t get an RBI. Seems like he should get one for hustle.
I’m not positive, but I think it’s for the same reason he wouldn’t get an RBI on an error — he didn’t reach base safely.
braves14
on August 17, 2010 at 3:59 pm
Why, because it’s a force play? I guess
It would be the same as if the batter grounded out with a runner on 3rd and 2 outs.
Alex
on August 17, 2010 at 4:02 pm
AAR –
I think you may have misunderstood my #33 post. If he *does* reach in a bases-loaded situation with two out on a K/WP, he *doesn’t* get an RBI. This is bizarre to me. I thought it might be explainable if the run would have counted had he not reached, but now I’m just confused.
Also, thanks to Peter Hjort and Joe Pawlikowski of Fangraphs, ESPN has a couple of pieces today talking about the Braves’ very good playoff chances this year.
Alex, I did understand you, but I think I didn’t express myself well. A hitter is not credited with an RBI when he reaches on an error and a run scores as a result — and I am assuming that a strikeout/wild pitch/reach first base situation in which a runner on third managed to score would be handled similarly, with the batter given no credit for an RBI because he reached on defensive ineptitude. (Obviously, in both cases, hustle has something to do with the batter reaching — you can’t reach on an error or a strikeout/wild pitch without running down the line — but mostly it’s the defense failing to make a routine play.)
Similar reasoning governs why hitters don’t get an RBI when a run scores on a double play.
DowneasterJC
on August 17, 2010 at 4:07 pm
Meh. That situation would add what.. one maybe two RBIs to a player’s career totals?
Alex
on August 17, 2010 at 4:11 pm
#39 — Yeah, by my count, this has happened roughly 20 times since 1950. But I think it’s an interesting question …
#38 — You *can* get an RBI on an error … a deep fly ball that would have been a sac fly but is dropped, for example … but that’s a different situation from this one, obviously.
Tiger224
on August 17, 2010 at 4:30 pm
So no discussion on the Clint Barmes rumor?
I haven’t even kept up with what he’s been doing offensively lately.
Yeah, what we need is a utility infielder with a .301 career OBP playing his home games in Coors Field and a history of injuries and a top career comp of Kurt Abbott. Like we need another regular with a torn ligament. He’s better than Diory and Hicks, but not so much better that you’d give anything up for him, or pay him about a million bucks to finish the season. (Much less offer him arbitation.)
Cary
on August 17, 2010 at 4:41 pm
Why would any Major League Baseball team willingly add Clint Barmes?
There’s your discussion.
JoeyT
on August 17, 2010 at 4:42 pm
BOLD PREDICTION: Manny Ramirez will not be a Dodger two weeks from now.
LESS BOLD PREDICTION: Manny Ramirez will also not be a Brave two weeks from now.
JoeyT
on August 17, 2010 at 4:47 pm
Think about what it would take for us to get Manny. It would mean that we would be willing to take on more of his salary than any other team in baseball. Heck, I’m not even 100% positive he’ll clear waivers.
If Jim Bowden were still in charge of a team, he’d do his damnedest to get Barmes. That guy just LOVED crappy middle infielders. Witness the inaugural 2005 Washington Nationals, the only team courageous enough to employ not just Jose Vidro and Cristian Guzman as its past-its-prime keystone combination, but had a bench of Jamey Carroll, Carlos Baerga, Junior Spivey, and Deivi Cruz. Barmes woulda fit like a glove.
To be honest, Clint actually had a pretty nice year in 2008, forced to become the starting shortstop for two months while Troy Tulowitzki was out. He’s a decent enough 2B/SS off the bench. But he is, essentially, a worse version of Omar Infante. He could be useful for someone, and has been very useful to the Rockies in the past, but he is simply of no use to us.
Also, Tim Dierkes at MLB Trade Rumors has a nice rundown of all the head-scratching multiyear deals the Phillies have handed out lately: Ryan Howard, Jamie Moyer, Cole Hamels, Placido Polanco, Joe Blanton, Danys Baez, Brian Schneider, Ross Gload, and Greg Dobbs. (And he doesn’t even mention Ibanez!)
They have a hell of a lot of talent, but Amaro’s been pre-committing an awful lot of money.
bfan
on August 17, 2010 at 4:53 pm
“Hoover promoted to Mississippi.”
What a funny year on the Braves farm. Lots of pitchers have been (justifiably) moved up pretty quickly (Minor from MS; to Gwinnett; to MLB); Delgado and Teheran, whom I think both started at Rome and are now past Myrtle Beach and are in MS.
Yet we have 2 former super-prospects who have been demoted; C. Johnson is back in Myrtle Beach, after being promoted to MS last year and failing there, this year; and Schaefer, who has been moved down from Gwinnett to Mississippi, where he still cannot hit (sub .200).
Brian J.
on August 17, 2010 at 4:57 pm
44- Because there are still general managers out there who don’t quite “get” park effects.
30s- Keep in mind the distinction between runs and RBI. If runners cross home plate and there’s a force play *anywhere*, no runs count. You can have runs without RBI, but RBI are a judgment call because those runs have to be “earned” by the offensive team. Fortunately, there’ve been enough examples that, in most cases, the RBI call is cut and dried.
(My own personal opinion is that by this logic, a runner who steals home should get an RBI for “driving” himself in. But MLB disagrees.)
Ryan c
on August 17, 2010 at 5:20 pm
The braves wouldn’t have to pay manny a ton considering the insurance return they’ll get for chipper.
spike
on August 17, 2010 at 5:24 pm
The Phillies commitments for next year have been discussed a lot. In short, I seriously doubt they are in any position to make any waiver claims. Cheap players won’t fall to them, and expensive ones are too risky.
PaulV
on August 17, 2010 at 5:24 pm
A walk with bases loaded is a RBI without ball hitting ball. A run scoring on a WP/PB is independent of whether batter gets to first base
on strike 3
Alex
on August 17, 2010 at 5:38 pm
#53 — That’s not true with the bases loaded and 2 out, right? (according to Mac at #32)
Brian J.
on August 17, 2010 at 5:41 pm
54- Right. If there are two out and the batter-runner’s thrown out before reaching first (or if he misses first), no runs score.
JoeyT
on August 17, 2010 at 5:44 pm
Or even if he’s tagged before touching first. Holla.
4.09 (a)
One run shall be scored each time a runner legally advances to and touches first,
second, third and home base before three men are put out to end the inning.
EXCEPTION: A run is not scored if the runner advances to home base during a
play in which the third out is made (1) by the batter-runner before he touches first
base; (2) by any runner being forced out; or (3) by a preceding runner who is
declared out because he failed to touch one of the bases.
sdp
on August 17, 2010 at 5:48 pm
Yay for Rod Blagojevich!
Rusty S.
on August 17, 2010 at 5:50 pm
#54 – right, 53 is true only with less than two out. Whatever it’s worth, in your scenario, with the bases loaded and two out, the force is in effect at all bases. So, for example, the catcher could simply step on home, or throw to the pitcher covering home, if it were an easier play than going to first.
Alex
on August 17, 2010 at 5:53 pm
So, this is the last I’ll say about this. I promise. Then we can get to talking about the boring Nats.
Look at this play where Andre Ethier “drives in” a run on a K+WP with the bases loaded and two out. He swung at a pitch that hit him! In other words, if he doesn’t swing, the end result of the play is exactly the same, only he gets an RBI. For not swinging.
ryan c
on August 17, 2010 at 6:11 pm
my dream playoff lineup against rhp:
prado
infante
heyward
manny
bmac
freeman
gonzalez
melky…yeah, i said it.
ryan c
on August 17, 2010 at 6:15 pm
this might get ugly quick for minor…
JoeyT
on August 17, 2010 at 6:16 pm
@60, my dream playoff lineup involves a DH.
braves14
on August 17, 2010 at 6:21 pm
I’m glad the umpires conferred on that.
I sent you my South Carolina preview via e-mail, Mac.
JoeyT
on August 17, 2010 at 6:21 pm
That was weird. Right call, wrong reason.
Robert
on August 17, 2010 at 6:24 pm
He dropped it getting it out of his glove. They got it right.
JoeyT
on August 17, 2010 at 6:26 pm
1B Ump: “You totally blew that call. He was two feet away from that ball.”
Plate Ump: “We’re not here to talk about the past. Did he drop the ball, or did it fall when he was taking it out of the glove?”
3B Ump: “Whatever. Let’s just say he caught it … FOR JUSTICE.”
2B Ump: “FOR JUSTICE”
All Umps: “FOR JUSTICE”
Plate Ump: [clinches fist and makes taffy motion with his hands … for justice]
ryan c
on August 17, 2010 at 6:30 pm
this is a new one on me. according to mlbtr, K-ROD has been…
DISQUALIFIED!
JoeyT
on August 17, 2010 at 6:31 pm
I didn’t know that existed. I knew there existed suspension without pay, but the disqualified list is news to me.
RJ in KS
on August 17, 2010 at 6:36 pm
I missed the umpiring call, what happened?
Robert
on August 17, 2010 at 6:39 pm
With two on, two out in the first, Pudge swung at the 3-2 pitch and tipped it into Ross’ glove. But Ross dropped the ball taking it out of his glove and the home plate ump called it a foul ball instead of a K.
The umps huddled and changed the call to a strike out. Pudge was subsequently ejected.
RJ in KS
on August 17, 2010 at 6:40 pm
Thank you Robert
Tom
on August 17, 2010 at 6:43 pm
Our guys sure make Olsen look like Cy Young out there. Hopefully we’ll win this one 1-0.
braves14
on August 17, 2010 at 6:45 pm
Chip sucks.
JoeyT
on August 17, 2010 at 6:46 pm
The “disqualified list” is mentioned in the CBA, and there are some rules about it. The only reason specifically mentioned for putting someone on it is “failure to render his services to his club.” However, there is a mention of “any Player who is on a Disqualified List for a reason other than that stated in paragraph 1 above,” which is properly vague.
Some baseball person should send a copy of The Official Professional Baseball Rules Book to Wikileaks.
Stu
on August 17, 2010 at 6:52 pm
Somethings that wouldn’t annoy me if it were coming from anyone other than Chip: his use of the word “club” to refer to a team. “This Braves club is…” “This Washington ballclub has been…” “These Phillies have been one of the hottest clubs…” Etc. It grates on my nerves so much, and there’s no reason it should.
Robert
on August 17, 2010 at 7:00 pm
Nieves will make it through the game Chip. It’s not that big of a deal. Let it go.
ryan c
on August 17, 2010 at 7:01 pm
@75
i sympathize with you stu. when chip says “the” it gets on my nerves… and any other word that begins with a letter from the alphabet.
G-Braves hit for McLouth with slugger Brandon Hicks after Louth made a catch in center. Betting he’s hurt.
JoeyT
on August 17, 2010 at 7:02 pm
Ankiel would not have gotten that ball. He’d be looking over his shoulder as it went over his head.
Bethany
on August 17, 2010 at 7:02 pm
Whew, made me a little nervous there.
spike
on August 17, 2010 at 7:03 pm
Time for some runs.
JoeyT
on August 17, 2010 at 7:07 pm
These average lefty starters are killing the team. It would be great to have an all-time great right handed power bat. If only one could become available in a week or so.
Fortunately, we have at least one right handed all-star in the lineup keep the no-hitter at bay.
sdp
on August 17, 2010 at 7:07 pm
Billy Shanks says McLouth was pulled and is heading to ATL. Maybe they’ve arranged for Heyward to clothesline him again.
Good thing he’s a cyborg. Otherwise, he might get a tad bit upset.
James
on August 17, 2010 at 7:11 pm
I’ve just realized something really nice about Heyward batting 2nd. Bobby doesn’t get to fall prey to the temptation of bunting the #2 hitter to get the guy into scoring position.
JoeyT
on August 17, 2010 at 7:11 pm
@84, O’Brien: 1st pitcher winless in 5 consec. starts w/ at least 6 inn, 1 or 0 earned runs, night games without a full moon, on days that end in “day”, games over 30 min, less than 400 min, in prime number days of the month since earned runs were official stat in 1913
JoeyT
on August 17, 2010 at 7:12 pm
@86: As if we needed another reason to like the guy.
braves14
on August 17, 2010 at 7:15 pm
Torgo fails again.
david15
on August 17, 2010 at 7:15 pm
@59 – They blew that call. By rule, when a player swings and misses at a ball that hits him, the ball is dead and no runners may advance. If it’s the third strike, the batter is out. Those umpires either didn’t see the ball hit Ethier or they don’t know the rules very well.
Bethany
on August 17, 2010 at 7:16 pm
I need a break from Glaus.
Tomas
on August 17, 2010 at 7:19 pm
Hinske might not be able to get the bat on anything thrown by a lefty even if we’re using beach balls, but I’d rather have him at first than the statue right now.
Trace
on August 17, 2010 at 7:25 pm
I’d say Vlad.
James
on August 17, 2010 at 7:25 pm
So is Scott Olsen good, or is he Braves good?
sdp
on August 17, 2010 at 7:27 pm
Chip and Joe are blabbering on and on about Tommy Hanson’s lack of a win in his last few fantastic starts. Are we still on this? Who still gives a damn about pitcher W-L records?
Now how do we pull a run out of our collective hats tonight?
Edit: Or two?
JoeyT
on August 17, 2010 at 7:42 pm
Minor should have learned by now that to win for the Braves against an opposing LHP, YOU HAVE TO BE PERFECT.
He clearly does not know how to win. We shouldn’t have let him near Hanson so early in his career.
Tom
on August 17, 2010 at 7:42 pm
Great. And the Phillies have just taken a 4-2 lead! Super!
Bethany
on August 17, 2010 at 7:43 pm
Gods hate us.
Smitty
on August 17, 2010 at 7:45 pm
I love how this board breaks into total panic all the time.
billy-jay
on August 17, 2010 at 7:46 pm
It would be nice if the Braves didn’t *have* to be resilient.
JoeyT
on August 17, 2010 at 7:46 pm
I love how this board breaks into total facetiousness all of the time. OMGWEREALLGONNADIE.
Stu
on August 17, 2010 at 7:46 pm
Scott Olsen sucks. Our offensive ineptitude is frustrating.
Bethany
on August 17, 2010 at 7:47 pm
Poor Minor. Welcome to the 2010 Braves! I’d feel better if we’d made Olsen work harder.
Robert
on August 17, 2010 at 7:48 pm
Diory sighting!
Jeremy
on August 17, 2010 at 7:49 pm
Frank Wren is responsible for leaving this team so susceptible to LHP. Everyone on the face of the earth knew we needed a RH bat so he went and got Rick Ankiel.
Robert
on August 17, 2010 at 7:49 pm
Wow!
spike
on August 17, 2010 at 7:49 pm
Man this is going to be a long-ass 40 games to watch.
braves14
on August 17, 2010 at 7:49 pm
DIORY?!?
Bethany
on August 17, 2010 at 7:49 pm
I must be tripping.
Trace
on August 17, 2010 at 7:49 pm
WTF is going on??
Jeremy
on August 17, 2010 at 7:49 pm
Um, wow.
James
on August 17, 2010 at 7:49 pm
That is… perplexing.
Brian J.
on August 17, 2010 at 7:50 pm
DIORY?
Piers
on August 17, 2010 at 7:50 pm
Nats commentators were ragging on Diory during the at bat; all this talk about how he has no power.
Priceless.
Bethany
on August 17, 2010 at 7:50 pm
Befuzzle!
Jeremy
on August 17, 2010 at 7:51 pm
“Omar’s gonna have at least three.”
– Chip Caray
Smitty
on August 17, 2010 at 7:51 pm
Frank Wren sucks for calling up Hernandez. If Infante was real all star, he would have hit a home run!
Stu
on August 17, 2010 at 7:51 pm
I…did not expect that.
braves14
on August 17, 2010 at 7:51 pm
I didn’t realize Omar had this much speed before his 2 triples the last 2 days.
James
on August 17, 2010 at 7:51 pm
Stupid Zito.
ugalaw06
on August 17, 2010 at 7:52 pm
128 — You beat me to the punch. What a moron.
Smitty
on August 17, 2010 at 7:52 pm
If we keep hitting like this, the Phillies will be in first place last week.
@174, he is the huge but idiot helper in Plan 9 From Outer Space
gah – Manos….I had blotted it from my memory.
Dan
on August 17, 2010 at 8:09 pm
Does SportSouth really need to still keep us up-to-date with how the Mets game is going during their “NL East scoreboard” updates?
Smitty
on August 17, 2010 at 8:09 pm
Nice play.
Stu
on August 17, 2010 at 8:09 pm
Chip is so stupid.
James
on August 17, 2010 at 8:09 pm
Yes, that routine groundball was a NICE PLAY!!!!
Smitty
on August 17, 2010 at 8:10 pm
@180
I kinda like it, especially when they are down to the Astros.
Dan
on August 17, 2010 at 8:10 pm
“Chip is so stupid.”
“And Omar [Infante] is going to have at least three!”
-Chip Caray on Infante triple.
Smitty
on August 17, 2010 at 8:11 pm
He did go a long way to get it. I thought it was a good play.
Robert
on August 17, 2010 at 8:11 pm
“You see what I did there Tommy? Sometimes you have to give up a few to get the offense going. Now I’m getting a win.”
ryan c
on August 17, 2010 at 8:12 pm
the arms are in place in the outfield.
braves14
on August 17, 2010 at 8:14 pm
So, which Farnsworth is going to show up tonight?
Robert
on August 17, 2010 at 8:15 pm
Is it safe to say that they just forgot about the trivia question? That was like an hour ago.
Stu
on August 17, 2010 at 8:15 pm
Farnsworth likes his slider a lot more than I do.
braves14
on August 17, 2010 at 8:16 pm
“Kennedy kisses the chalk down the line!”
*pulls hair out*
Brian J.
on August 17, 2010 at 8:16 pm
Bad news, everybody.
Weldon
on August 17, 2010 at 8:16 pm
Good news, everyone!
Coop
on August 17, 2010 at 8:17 pm
Whatever happened to Saito?
Weldon
on August 17, 2010 at 8:17 pm
Saito’s probably gonna pitch the 8th.
braves14
on August 17, 2010 at 8:18 pm
“That fastball was 96 and darting!”
Robert
on August 17, 2010 at 8:20 pm
What did you think of “chopped off the dish” braves14?
reaganman
on August 17, 2010 at 8:21 pm
“If Glaus wins the race to the bag.”
Smitty
on August 17, 2010 at 8:21 pm
What is more annoying, listening to Chip, or people talking about how much he sucks?
braves14
on August 17, 2010 at 8:21 pm
Made my ears bleed.
nick manning
on August 17, 2010 at 8:23 pm
ok. chip caray reads this blog. he just said how the blogosphere called this team “resilient”. Good job mac!
Smitty
on August 17, 2010 at 8:23 pm
Chip > Rathburn
Douglass
on August 17, 2010 at 8:23 pm
Does Chip read Braves Journal?
He just said “I know the blogosphere was chattering last night about the resiliency of the team…”
…if so…
CHIP, YOU SUCK! KILL YOURSELF!
Stu
on August 17, 2010 at 8:23 pm
200—Clearly, you haven’t heard as much Chip as I have.
Dan
on August 17, 2010 at 8:24 pm
Chip Caray just called the Braves “resilient.” That adjective for this team is now dead to me.
Stu
on August 17, 2010 at 8:25 pm
203—No way. That’s just not even remotely true. No one is worse than Chip Caray.
Smitty
on August 17, 2010 at 8:26 pm
Just think back to the days Stu. Rathburn and Torebore were terrible. Much worse than this clown
Weldon
on August 17, 2010 at 8:27 pm
Rathbun and Torborg were significantly worse. They forced me away from the TV on a nightly basis.
braves14
on August 17, 2010 at 8:28 pm
LOL Nats
James
on August 17, 2010 at 8:28 pm
That’s the natinals defense we know and love.
Bethany
on August 17, 2010 at 8:28 pm
Ma, it’s nice when it’s the other team making costly defensive mistakes.
Brian J.
on August 17, 2010 at 8:28 pm
Oops. Well done, Nats defense.
braves14
on August 17, 2010 at 8:28 pm
I hated Rathbun and Torborg, but Chip is worse IMO.
rehabreject
on August 17, 2010 at 8:28 pm
LOL 204
Chip if you read this, please take it down about five notches. You make the most routine groundball sound like 1) Katy Perry is the SS, 2) She’s buck-naked, 3) She’s holding up a sign that says “I’m Katy Perry, naked SS extraordinaire!”
Actually Ken Harrelson is worse than Chip Caray. in fact, he may be the worst broadcaster alive. With that said, Chip is in the discussion.
As for Saito, I think he’s on the once per week frequency now. He always looks to me like he’s about to pass out when he’s getting his signs.
Dan
on August 17, 2010 at 8:29 pm
“Rathbun and Torborg were significantly worse. They forced me away from the TV on a nightly basis.”
Of that duo, only Torborg annoyed me.
But I’d still take Torborg and his tedious stories of when he was a player over Caray.
Shawn
on August 17, 2010 at 8:29 pm
As bad as Chip is, and he is bad, you guys should be thankful you’re not blacked out of the home broadcast and don’t have to listen to Bob Carpenter and Rob Dibble. These two actually make watching baseball less fun. Chip’s annoying, but he never ruins the game for me.
Smitty
on August 17, 2010 at 8:29 pm
I thought Chip was ok with the Cubs. Maybe I let that cloud my judgment here, but Bob Rathburn makes me nauseous
Stu
on August 17, 2010 at 8:30 pm
208 & 209—It’s not a matter of opinion. Factually, Chip Caray is the worst broadcaster of all time. Look it up.
Weldon
on August 17, 2010 at 8:30 pm
He was a high school quarterback!
Chip reminds me of Michael Scott. There are a lot of reasons to hate him, but he’s a good person somewhere down there. And that makes it hard to truly despise him.
ugalaw06
on August 17, 2010 at 8:30 pm
My favorite Chipism from a few weeks back:
“Trouble is literally brewing here in the top of the 5th.”
nick manning
on August 17, 2010 at 8:30 pm
chip we like you, just stop exaggerating shite. i think.
Rathbun’s level of suckage depends upon his partner. With some, he’s okay.
rehabreject
on August 17, 2010 at 8:35 pm
231
don’t think so
but definitely my most hated Chip-ism is when a batter “sprays that one to the right side for a foul ball”
Smitty
on August 17, 2010 at 8:35 pm
Mac, that would be like watching old people get it on
spike
on August 17, 2010 at 8:36 pm
Well here you go, Troy.
Shawn
on August 17, 2010 at 8:37 pm
I can understand why it must be really nice to have Omar on the bench as a super-utility guy, but after watching him and Prado together tonight, I can’t imagine they need a third baseman. Both those guys need to be in the lineup every day, might as well leave them where they are in the field too.
Douglass
on August 17, 2010 at 8:37 pm
Chip, to correct what someone said above, we don’t like you. Not even a little bit.
Smitty
on August 17, 2010 at 8:38 pm
rehab
Wait and see if we make it far in the playoffs. McCarver will make you throw things at the TV.
“Derek Lowe has been a solid pitcher for the Braves all season. He throws sinkers. A sinker is a pitch that sinks on it’s way to the plate.”
You’ll long for the days of “Fisted!”
James
on August 17, 2010 at 8:38 pm
Chip just caught himself there.
Stu
on August 17, 2010 at 8:38 pm
Why not pinch-hit Hinske there?
Hanan
on August 17, 2010 at 8:39 pm
Speaking of a tough listen…I heard the Braves pregame show tonight while stuck in traffic. It’s basically an hour and a half of Buck Belue reciting (droning) ERA’s and injury reports, with Leo Mazzone and Mark Lemke chiming in with “expert” analysis (not really saying anything at all). Also, Lemke seems like a nice guy but has the worst radio voice ever.
Brian J.
on August 17, 2010 at 8:39 pm
Just how much more of this does Bobby need to see before Torgo goes away?
rehabreject
on August 17, 2010 at 8:39 pm
the tag of the dish? buh-gah?
Stu
on August 17, 2010 at 8:40 pm
238—Agreed. Let’s get a HoF left-fielder.
Smitty
on August 17, 2010 at 8:40 pm
Chip needs to cut down on thesaurus time, that’s for sure.
“Tag of the dish” is a good one. One of Chip’s more goofy verbal tics is when he says something where all the individual words make sense but no human being would actually say.
spike
on August 17, 2010 at 8:41 pm
@246, there is at least 1, and probably two available.
Smitty
on August 17, 2010 at 8:41 pm
A HoF left fielder with dreads?
James
on August 17, 2010 at 8:42 pm
The Melkman strikes again!
Duvall
on August 17, 2010 at 8:42 pm
MELKYPOWER!
Smitty
on August 17, 2010 at 8:43 pm
We get a left fielder, there might be a battle for playing time in right.
Dan
on August 17, 2010 at 8:44 pm
For Chip Caray, the thing that gets me hitting the mute button the fastest is when he loudly yells, on a double or triple, something like:
“And look at [insert playing here] streaking around second.”
spike
on August 17, 2010 at 8:44 pm
@250, That’s the one that might be available. There’s another one without that could be had tomorrow.
braves14
on August 17, 2010 at 8:44 pm
Dammit Giants.
ryan c
on August 17, 2010 at 8:45 pm
so, glaus hits an extra base hit every 3 games and everything’s cool.
aag has a bad habit of swinging at balls.
and is melky cabrera becoming likable?
Ben
on August 17, 2010 at 8:46 pm
I know the general rule is career broadcast guys do play-by-play and former players do color commentary. But it seems like their must be some former players who could do decent play-by-play, since the Atlanta stations seem incapable of finding career broadcast guys who understand baseball.
Smitty
on August 17, 2010 at 8:48 pm
Joe does a solid play-by-play
braves14
on August 17, 2010 at 8:50 pm
AAG threw an F-bomb after striking out. That seems to be the popular word among our players.
Douglass
on August 17, 2010 at 8:51 pm
Among our players? You mean among angry people all across this f*ckin nation.
Brian J.
on August 17, 2010 at 8:53 pm
260- Oddly, it’s also common when describing them.
9-3 Phillies. Thanks a heap, San Fran. Let us know when you decide to play baseball again.
billy-jay
on August 17, 2010 at 8:57 pm
@261:
That’s pretty common, isn’t it? I know I do it.
braves14
on August 17, 2010 at 8:59 pm
Earl Weaver liked it too (NSFW):
and
Tony
on August 17, 2010 at 9:03 pm
Prado is just a hitting fool…..
Brian J.
on August 17, 2010 at 9:05 pm
And Torgo’s the same, but without the hitting.
James
on August 17, 2010 at 9:06 pm
We should probably save some of these for another game.
Weldon
on August 17, 2010 at 9:07 pm
Torgo’s expression standing on second just killed me. He almost looked disappointed to have prolonged his agony by hitting the double.
Hanan
on August 17, 2010 at 9:08 pm
Torgo in on the action. Better put Stammen on hari-kari watch.
DowneasterJC
on August 17, 2010 at 9:08 pm
@258
Sciambi was a career broadcaster and he was perfect, imo. I was really upset when I found out he was going to ESPN.
And, not that I’m defending Chip, but anybody who says that he is the worst has never heard Harellson and his “HE GONE!!!” or “PUT IT ON THE BOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRD!!!!”
It is, literally, nauseating to hear him call a game.
rehabreject
on August 17, 2010 at 9:12 pm
Sciambi was great. It’s a shame to hear him doing NIT and LLWS games.
braves14
on August 17, 2010 at 9:14 pm
Stop doing a close-up of Prado’s butt, Sportsouth guys.
braves14
on August 17, 2010 at 9:14 pm
Congrats to Minor.
Frank
on August 17, 2010 at 9:15 pm
From the farm–5 errors by Gwinnett tonight. EOF had two good innings; KK allowed a walk and two hits (one a homer) in 4 IP. For Rome, RSF was 0-4 with 4 K and Salcedo was 0-4 with 3 K.
I’ve heard plenty of Harrelson. He’s got nothing on Chip. He’s annoying, but he understands some things about the game. Chip, as I’ve said before, has an annoying voice and annoying mannerisms, and he doesn’t understand any of what’s going on on the field. He’s the absolute worst.
PaulV
on August 17, 2010 at 9:20 pm
As @53 above I just want to mention that on a dropped third stike that if the batter is thrown out for the third out at first there is no PB or WP
I hate this team. We have no offense and inconsistent starting pitching. And Mike Minor is just another overhyped lefty prospect — Terrell Wade, Bruce Chen, Damian Moss, Odalis Perez… our farm system is OVERRATED and Frank Wren is a freaking MORON.
going back to last years draft and looking at what Minor has done, who would we have been better off taking at that pick? Its pretty amazing what Minor has done and Im glad he wasnt moved around the deadline. He seems to be able to handle this situation. He’s confident and I like it
From prior thread:
I’m glad Bobby’s going with Prado at 3rd. I think that also tells you what the FO plans are. I don’t think you would move Prado off of 2nd where he’s been all year, if you are actively pursuing a 3rd baseman. I could be wrong of course.
Also, is it wrong of me to hope the Phils are bringing back Utley too quickly?
The Phils scare the crap out of me. Here’s hoping they fall on their face this week and we don’t suck against the Nats.
i’m not qualified for this, but i know some of you are. i’d like to see someone put together an “all gimpy” team. the starting pitchers would have to be mark prior and mike hampton.
Bethany from the last thread…..
I love it when you get someone from ESPN reporting that the Braves havent made any contacts with the Cubs about Ramirez, but you have Bowman quoting Wren saying that they did
@4 I know! It’s quite odd. Is it just people talking to “sources” who are making stuff up, or are ignorant and giving out guesses, which the journalist or blogger than takes as fact?
perfect DL team…
SP- Kerry Wood
SP- Mark Prior
SP- Mike Hampton
SP- Carl Pavano
SP- Rich Harden
honorable mentions – Ben Sheets and Brandon Wood
C- Varitek
1B- Delgado
2B- Barmes
3B- Chipper
SS- Rollins
LF- Baldelli
CF- Sizemore
RF- Griffey
Eric Chavez would have to be the first choice for an all gimpy team.
Aren’t the Phils really tight on money this year? I realize that people close to the Braves seemed convinced that a Manny deal won’t happen, but could the Phillies even block the move, since they have no money wiggle room?
Hoover promoted to Mississippi
Edit: Nats lineup for Tuesday: Gonzalez-2B, Desmond-SS, Zimmerman-3b, Dunn-1B, Pudge-C, Morse-RF, Mench-LF, Maxwell-CF, Olsen-P
#8 – they did say that before adding Oswalt, so I would expect them to block it with no intentions on trading for Manny
infante
heyward
prado
diaz
glaus
aag
melky
ross
minor
they did say that before adding Oswalt, so I would expect them to block it with no intentions on trading for Manny
But if you block a move, the other team can give you the player, and you MUST take and pay them. That’s why some players clear. I could certainly see LA doing just that, they are going nowhere, 6M would pay for something useful next year, and they certainly won’t offer arb.
against a lefty, i’d seriously consider batting heyward 8th in that lineup, moving everyone else up one. he has a .671 ops against them.
#12 – good point
which happens 1st?
Micah Owings becomes a hitter
Jeff Francoeur becomes a pitcher
tonight will be a big test for minor because the nationals lineup that is out there tonight rakes against lhp.
Apparently Minor asked Wagner to go over tape of the Nats with him yesterday. I really like this kid.
Somewhere, Stu is beaming.
I don’t see us making a move until we see if Inge clears waivers. I don’t see that happening.
Utley, Prado, and Pedroia all activated today…lot of happy fans out there
@20 – good. I like a relatively fair fight. Although, both the Phils and Braves have terrific records even with their depleted teams – I think the Phils are 18-5 or something over the last 3 weeks. I can’t imagine them playing even better than that over the last 45.
Finally I get to see the Braves on TV again, I guess I will have to mute Carpenter and Dibble. The Orioles have really good announcers, while the Nats announcers sucks. I guess since the Orioles own MASN, that’s the way it is.
– Eric Chavez. What ever happened to him?
– Minor watch out for Zimmerman, somehow he has 24 HR.
– So happy to have Prado back. Did I see AAG head first slide into 3rd base last night on the highlights?
I’m in the mood for a series sweep. The last one came against the Royals 2 months ago, and it’s time for another. It would be nice if the Giants get it together and take 2/3 from the Phillies while we’re at it.
@21 Relatively fair? Have you seen their payroll? I don’t think a pennant race against any team that can buy a pitcher like Oswalt midseason is going to be fair.
Boy, if you’d told me Ross was starting for McCann, I’d have nailed the lineup. I know me some Bobby.
I like today’s lineup a lot. Both in terms of construction and in terms of scoring runs. Let’s see if Minor can keep us in the game.
“Did I see AAG head first slide into 3rd base last night on the highlights?”
I think that would have been Infante on his triple.
No, it was AAG, on that wild pitch in the 9th.
Thanks, Stu. I know b/c now everytime I see a braves going in head first I cringe.
I’m with you. And there was not even a throw there; I remember cringing at the time.
Off topic, but maybe someone (with a B-Ref subscription?) can help me here.
Suppose there’s a runner on third, two out. The batter strikes out but the ball gets past the catcher. If the runner from third scores before the batter is thrown out at first, does the run count?
No, only if the batter reaches.
Mac —
Why, because it’s a force play? I guess. Then it no longer makes any sense to me why, in a bases-loaded situation, if the batter reaches on a K/WP he doesn’t get an RBI. Seems like he should get one for hustle.
I’m not positive, but I think it’s for the same reason he wouldn’t get an RBI on an error — he didn’t reach base safely.
Why, because it’s a force play? I guess
It would be the same as if the batter grounded out with a runner on 3rd and 2 outs.
AAR –
I think you may have misunderstood my #33 post. If he *does* reach in a bases-loaded situation with two out on a K/WP, he *doesn’t* get an RBI. This is bizarre to me. I thought it might be explainable if the run would have counted had he not reached, but now I’m just confused.
Also, thanks to Peter Hjort and Joe Pawlikowski of Fangraphs, ESPN has a couple of pieces today talking about the Braves’ very good playoff chances this year.
Alex, I did understand you, but I think I didn’t express myself well. A hitter is not credited with an RBI when he reaches on an error and a run scores as a result — and I am assuming that a strikeout/wild pitch/reach first base situation in which a runner on third managed to score would be handled similarly, with the batter given no credit for an RBI because he reached on defensive ineptitude. (Obviously, in both cases, hustle has something to do with the batter reaching — you can’t reach on an error or a strikeout/wild pitch without running down the line — but mostly it’s the defense failing to make a routine play.)
Similar reasoning governs why hitters don’t get an RBI when a run scores on a double play.
Meh. That situation would add what.. one maybe two RBIs to a player’s career totals?
#39 — Yeah, by my count, this has happened roughly 20 times since 1950. But I think it’s an interesting question …
#38 — You *can* get an RBI on an error … a deep fly ball that would have been a sac fly but is dropped, for example … but that’s a different situation from this one, obviously.
So no discussion on the Clint Barmes rumor?
I haven’t even kept up with what he’s been doing offensively lately.
Lots of cock blocking going on, I hear.
Barmes seems like AAG 2.0.
With much less pop.
Yeah, what we need is a utility infielder with a .301 career OBP playing his home games in Coors Field and a history of injuries and a top career comp of Kurt Abbott. Like we need another regular with a torn ligament. He’s better than Diory and Hicks, but not so much better that you’d give anything up for him, or pay him about a million bucks to finish the season. (Much less offer him arbitation.)
Why would any Major League Baseball team willingly add Clint Barmes?
There’s your discussion.
BOLD PREDICTION: Manny Ramirez will not be a Dodger two weeks from now.
LESS BOLD PREDICTION: Manny Ramirez will also not be a Brave two weeks from now.
Think about what it would take for us to get Manny. It would mean that we would be willing to take on more of his salary than any other team in baseball. Heck, I’m not even 100% positive he’ll clear waivers.
If Jim Bowden were still in charge of a team, he’d do his damnedest to get Barmes. That guy just LOVED crappy middle infielders. Witness the inaugural 2005 Washington Nationals, the only team courageous enough to employ not just Jose Vidro and Cristian Guzman as its past-its-prime keystone combination, but had a bench of Jamey Carroll, Carlos Baerga, Junior Spivey, and Deivi Cruz. Barmes woulda fit like a glove.
To be honest, Clint actually had a pretty nice year in 2008, forced to become the starting shortstop for two months while Troy Tulowitzki was out. He’s a decent enough 2B/SS off the bench. But he is, essentially, a worse version of Omar Infante. He could be useful for someone, and has been very useful to the Rockies in the past, but he is simply of no use to us.
Also, Tim Dierkes at MLB Trade Rumors has a nice rundown of all the head-scratching multiyear deals the Phillies have handed out lately: Ryan Howard, Jamie Moyer, Cole Hamels, Placido Polanco, Joe Blanton, Danys Baez, Brian Schneider, Ross Gload, and Greg Dobbs. (And he doesn’t even mention Ibanez!)
They have a hell of a lot of talent, but Amaro’s been pre-committing an awful lot of money.
“Hoover promoted to Mississippi.”
What a funny year on the Braves farm. Lots of pitchers have been (justifiably) moved up pretty quickly (Minor from MS; to Gwinnett; to MLB); Delgado and Teheran, whom I think both started at Rome and are now past Myrtle Beach and are in MS.
Yet we have 2 former super-prospects who have been demoted; C. Johnson is back in Myrtle Beach, after being promoted to MS last year and failing there, this year; and Schaefer, who has been moved down from Gwinnett to Mississippi, where he still cannot hit (sub .200).
44- Because there are still general managers out there who don’t quite “get” park effects.
30s- Keep in mind the distinction between runs and RBI. If runners cross home plate and there’s a force play *anywhere*, no runs count. You can have runs without RBI, but RBI are a judgment call because those runs have to be “earned” by the offensive team. Fortunately, there’ve been enough examples that, in most cases, the RBI call is cut and dried.
(My own personal opinion is that by this logic, a runner who steals home should get an RBI for “driving” himself in. But MLB disagrees.)
The braves wouldn’t have to pay manny a ton considering the insurance return they’ll get for chipper.
The Phillies commitments for next year have been discussed a lot. In short, I seriously doubt they are in any position to make any waiver claims. Cheap players won’t fall to them, and expensive ones are too risky.
A walk with bases loaded is a RBI without ball hitting ball. A run scoring on a WP/PB is independent of whether batter gets to first base
on strike 3
#53 — That’s not true with the bases loaded and 2 out, right? (according to Mac at #32)
54- Right. If there are two out and the batter-runner’s thrown out before reaching first (or if he misses first), no runs score.
Or even if he’s tagged before touching first. Holla.
4.09 (a)
One run shall be scored each time a runner legally advances to and touches first,
second, third and home base before three men are put out to end the inning.
EXCEPTION: A run is not scored if the runner advances to home base during a
play in which the third out is made (1) by the batter-runner before he touches first
base; (2) by any runner being forced out; or (3) by a preceding runner who is
declared out because he failed to touch one of the bases.
Yay for Rod Blagojevich!
#54 – right, 53 is true only with less than two out. Whatever it’s worth, in your scenario, with the bases loaded and two out, the force is in effect at all bases. So, for example, the catcher could simply step on home, or throw to the pitcher covering home, if it were an easier play than going to first.
So, this is the last I’ll say about this. I promise. Then we can get to talking about the boring Nats.
Look at this play where Andre Ethier “drives in” a run on a K+WP with the bases loaded and two out. He swung at a pitch that hit him! In other words, if he doesn’t swing, the end result of the play is exactly the same, only he gets an RBI. For not swinging.
my dream playoff lineup against rhp:
prado
infante
heyward
manny
bmac
freeman
gonzalez
melky…yeah, i said it.
this might get ugly quick for minor…
@60, my dream playoff lineup involves a DH.
I’m glad the umpires conferred on that.
I sent you my South Carolina preview via e-mail, Mac.
That was weird. Right call, wrong reason.
He dropped it getting it out of his glove. They got it right.
1B Ump: “You totally blew that call. He was two feet away from that ball.”
Plate Ump: “We’re not here to talk about the past. Did he drop the ball, or did it fall when he was taking it out of the glove?”
3B Ump: “Whatever. Let’s just say he caught it … FOR JUSTICE.”
2B Ump: “FOR JUSTICE”
All Umps: “FOR JUSTICE”
Plate Ump: [clinches fist and makes taffy motion with his hands … for justice]
this is a new one on me. according to mlbtr, K-ROD has been…
DISQUALIFIED!
I didn’t know that existed. I knew there existed suspension without pay, but the disqualified list is news to me.
I missed the umpiring call, what happened?
With two on, two out in the first, Pudge swung at the 3-2 pitch and tipped it into Ross’ glove. But Ross dropped the ball taking it out of his glove and the home plate ump called it a foul ball instead of a K.
The umps huddled and changed the call to a strike out. Pudge was subsequently ejected.
Thank you Robert
Our guys sure make Olsen look like Cy Young out there. Hopefully we’ll win this one 1-0.
Chip sucks.
The “disqualified list” is mentioned in the CBA, and there are some rules about it. The only reason specifically mentioned for putting someone on it is “failure to render his services to his club.” However, there is a mention of “any Player who is on a Disqualified List for a reason other than that stated in paragraph 1 above,” which is properly vague.
Some baseball person should send a copy of The Official Professional Baseball Rules Book to Wikileaks.
Somethings that wouldn’t annoy me if it were coming from anyone other than Chip: his use of the word “club” to refer to a team. “This Braves club is…” “This Washington ballclub has been…” “These Phillies have been one of the hottest clubs…” Etc. It grates on my nerves so much, and there’s no reason it should.
Nieves will make it through the game Chip. It’s not that big of a deal. Let it go.
@75
i sympathize with you stu. when chip says “the” it gets on my nerves… and any other word that begins with a letter from the alphabet.
G-Braves hit for McLouth with slugger Brandon Hicks after Louth made a catch in center. Betting he’s hurt.
Ankiel would not have gotten that ball. He’d be looking over his shoulder as it went over his head.
Whew, made me a little nervous there.
Time for some runs.
These average lefty starters are killing the team. It would be great to have an all-time great right handed power bat. If only one could become available in a week or so.
Fortunately, we have at least one right handed all-star in the lineup keep the no-hitter at bay.
Billy Shanks says McLouth was pulled and is heading to ATL. Maybe they’ve arranged for Heyward to clothesline him again.
Tommy set a record.
Peanut says it’s a sore shin for Louth.
Good thing he’s a cyborg. Otherwise, he might get a tad bit upset.
I’ve just realized something really nice about Heyward batting 2nd. Bobby doesn’t get to fall prey to the temptation of bunting the #2 hitter to get the guy into scoring position.
@84, O’Brien: 1st pitcher winless in 5 consec. starts w/ at least 6 inn, 1 or 0 earned runs, night games without a full moon, on days that end in “day”, games over 30 min, less than 400 min, in prime number days of the month since earned runs were official stat in 1913
@86: As if we needed another reason to like the guy.
Torgo fails again.
@59 – They blew that call. By rule, when a player swings and misses at a ball that hits him, the ball is dead and no runners may advance. If it’s the third strike, the batter is out. Those umpires either didn’t see the ball hit Ethier or they don’t know the rules very well.
I need a break from Glaus.
Hinske might not be able to get the bat on anything thrown by a lefty even if we’re using beach balls, but I’d rather have him at first than the statue right now.
I’d say Vlad.
So is Scott Olsen good, or is he Braves good?
Chip and Joe are blabbering on and on about Tommy Hanson’s lack of a win in his last few fantastic starts. Are we still on this? Who still gives a damn about pitcher W-L records?
I’d guess Tim Raines.
@95, is it or is it not on the back of baseball cards?
The baseball gods hate us.
This offense is even worse than I could have imagined. It’s because they aren’t being patient.
LE GRAND ORANGE
@96, unfortunately, that was my guess, too, which means it’s wrong.
larry walker?
Olsen’s getting some calls, both high and outside, that Mikie hasn’t gotten.
Nice pitch by Minor.
Olsen has pitched well of late. Of course he owns us
This is interesting:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/7950480/Lou-Gehrig-may-not-have-had-Lou-Gehrigs-Disease.html
Crap.
Now how do we pull a run out of our collective hats tonight?
Edit: Or two?
Minor should have learned by now that to win for the Braves against an opposing LHP, YOU HAVE TO BE PERFECT.
He clearly does not know how to win. We shouldn’t have let him near Hanson so early in his career.
Great. And the Phillies have just taken a 4-2 lead! Super!
Gods hate us.
I love how this board breaks into total panic all the time.
It would be nice if the Braves didn’t *have* to be resilient.
I love how this board breaks into total facetiousness all of the time. OMGWEREALLGONNADIE.
Scott Olsen sucks. Our offensive ineptitude is frustrating.
Poor Minor. Welcome to the 2010 Braves! I’d feel better if we’d made Olsen work harder.
Diory sighting!
Frank Wren is responsible for leaving this team so susceptible to LHP. Everyone on the face of the earth knew we needed a RH bat so he went and got Rick Ankiel.
Wow!
Man this is going to be a long-ass 40 games to watch.
DIORY?!?
I must be tripping.
WTF is going on??
Um, wow.
That is… perplexing.
DIORY?
Nats commentators were ragging on Diory during the at bat; all this talk about how he has no power.
Priceless.
Befuzzle!
“Omar’s gonna have at least three.”
– Chip Caray
Frank Wren sucks for calling up Hernandez. If Infante was real all star, he would have hit a home run!
I…did not expect that.
I didn’t realize Omar had this much speed before his 2 triples the last 2 days.
Stupid Zito.
128 — You beat me to the punch. What a moron.
If we keep hitting like this, the Phillies will be in first place last week.
128—Yeah, he’s a moron. “At least”?
@128
Yeah, I was thinking about mentioning that also.
Heyward should have hit that pitch.
Chip needs a muffler.
Quick hook.
I would be tempted to hit McCann for Prado.
@137, It’s a borderline pitch at a 3-1 count in the 6th inning. I’m glad he has the eye and the patience to lay off.
Good time to steal a base
@137 – With Prado coming up? I think you take the baserunner, but that’s just me.
Joe talks way too much about BA w/ RISP.
I can’t believe that attempted pick-off didn’t work.
He doesn’t talk about it as much when we aren’t completely unable to do it.
Oh, look, a balk.
Ive never understood why that wasn’t a balk.
THE PRADO IS BACK
excellent…
Prado ha vuelto!
I would be tempted to hit McCann for Prado.
How soon they forget.
PRADO!
Chip really does need a muffler. He’s going to blow out his mic.
144—I dunno. Considering who his partner is, I kinda wish he’d never stop talking.
Welcome back, Martin!
The offense is back from the DL.
Fear him.
Mike Minor looks perpetually worried.
I think Chip is trying to be Kevin Harlan. He is failing miserably.
153 — True, good point
This is nice.
Hell YES!!!!
I’m glad we finally remembered who we were playing.
They just missed Prado.
If Diaz reaches do you go with Hinske?
/moot point now.
DIAZ!! And thank you guys for answering my question in 107.
God must not hate us anymore.
Resilient.
Does make Torgo… antisilient?
Just need a single for the cycle this inning.
God still hates us. Just look who’s hitting.
Torgo is silient.
Desilient.
Hat trick.
Hat trick for Glaus.
I hope Glaus gets a good chunk of September off.
Can someone explain the Torgo nickname?
Torgo, you broke the damn offense!
Fear the Melk man.
C’mon David. We want more Diory.
174 — Glaus runs like Torgo.
@174, he is the huge but idiot helper in Plan 9 From Outer Space
gah – Manos….I had blotted it from my memory.
Does SportSouth really need to still keep us up-to-date with how the Mets game is going during their “NL East scoreboard” updates?
Nice play.
Chip is so stupid.
Yes, that routine groundball was a NICE PLAY!!!!
@180
I kinda like it, especially when they are down to the Astros.
“Chip is so stupid.”
“And Omar [Infante] is going to have at least three!”
-Chip Caray on Infante triple.
He did go a long way to get it. I thought it was a good play.
“You see what I did there Tommy? Sometimes you have to give up a few to get the offense going. Now I’m getting a win.”
the arms are in place in the outfield.
So, which Farnsworth is going to show up tonight?
Is it safe to say that they just forgot about the trivia question? That was like an hour ago.
Farnsworth likes his slider a lot more than I do.
“Kennedy kisses the chalk down the line!”
*pulls hair out*
Bad news, everybody.
Good news, everyone!
Whatever happened to Saito?
Saito’s probably gonna pitch the 8th.
“That fastball was 96 and darting!”
What did you think of “chopped off the dish” braves14?
“If Glaus wins the race to the bag.”
What is more annoying, listening to Chip, or people talking about how much he sucks?
Made my ears bleed.
ok. chip caray reads this blog. he just said how the blogosphere called this team “resilient”. Good job mac!
Chip > Rathburn
Does Chip read Braves Journal?
He just said “I know the blogosphere was chattering last night about the resiliency of the team…”
…if so…
CHIP, YOU SUCK! KILL YOURSELF!
200—Clearly, you haven’t heard as much Chip as I have.
Chip Caray just called the Braves “resilient.” That adjective for this team is now dead to me.
203—No way. That’s just not even remotely true. No one is worse than Chip Caray.
Just think back to the days Stu. Rathburn and Torebore were terrible. Much worse than this clown
Rathbun and Torborg were significantly worse. They forced me away from the TV on a nightly basis.
LOL Nats
That’s the natinals defense we know and love.
Ma, it’s nice when it’s the other team making costly defensive mistakes.
Oops. Well done, Nats defense.
I hated Rathbun and Torborg, but Chip is worse IMO.
LOL 204
Chip if you read this, please take it down about five notches. You make the most routine groundball sound like 1) Katy Perry is the SS, 2) She’s buck-naked, 3) She’s holding up a sign that says “I’m Katy Perry, naked SS extraordinaire!”
that is all
Wow, Dunn looked like one of our guys on that.
Actually Ken Harrelson is worse than Chip Caray. in fact, he may be the worst broadcaster alive. With that said, Chip is in the discussion.
As for Saito, I think he’s on the once per week frequency now. He always looks to me like he’s about to pass out when he’s getting his signs.
“Rathbun and Torborg were significantly worse. They forced me away from the TV on a nightly basis.”
Of that duo, only Torborg annoyed me.
But I’d still take Torborg and his tedious stories of when he was a player over Caray.
As bad as Chip is, and he is bad, you guys should be thankful you’re not blacked out of the home broadcast and don’t have to listen to Bob Carpenter and Rob Dibble. These two actually make watching baseball less fun. Chip’s annoying, but he never ruins the game for me.
I thought Chip was ok with the Cubs. Maybe I let that cloud my judgment here, but Bob Rathburn makes me nauseous
208 & 209—It’s not a matter of opinion. Factually, Chip Caray is the worst broadcaster of all time. Look it up.
He was a high school quarterback!
Chip reminds me of Michael Scott. There are a lot of reasons to hate him, but he’s a good person somewhere down there. And that makes it hard to truly despise him.
My favorite Chipism from a few weeks back:
“Trouble is literally brewing here in the top of the 5th.”
chip we like you, just stop exaggerating shite. i think.
damn, they are as bad as we are
Chip does do a good Skip impression
i love it when the Nats come to town. It’s better than therapy.
217 — Completely agree. Hawk is insufferable.
Bobby sending Folk Hero up to put this thing away
I want to see a Glaus-Dunn match race.
has he said ‘death by a thousand cuts’ yet?
Better yet, a Glaus-Dunn decathlon.
McCarver and Morgan are the worst. Give me Chip over them too.
Rathbun’s level of suckage depends upon his partner. With some, he’s okay.
231
don’t think so
but definitely my most hated Chip-ism is when a batter “sprays that one to the right side for a foul ball”
Mac, that would be like watching old people get it on
Well here you go, Troy.
I can understand why it must be really nice to have Omar on the bench as a super-utility guy, but after watching him and Prado together tonight, I can’t imagine they need a third baseman. Both those guys need to be in the lineup every day, might as well leave them where they are in the field too.
Chip, to correct what someone said above, we don’t like you. Not even a little bit.
rehab
Wait and see if we make it far in the playoffs. McCarver will make you throw things at the TV.
“Derek Lowe has been a solid pitcher for the Braves all season. He throws sinkers. A sinker is a pitch that sinks on it’s way to the plate.”
You’ll long for the days of “Fisted!”
Chip just caught himself there.
Why not pinch-hit Hinske there?
Speaking of a tough listen…I heard the Braves pregame show tonight while stuck in traffic. It’s basically an hour and a half of Buck Belue reciting (droning) ERA’s and injury reports, with Leo Mazzone and Mark Lemke chiming in with “expert” analysis (not really saying anything at all). Also, Lemke seems like a nice guy but has the worst radio voice ever.
Just how much more of this does Bobby need to see before Torgo goes away?
the tag of the dish? buh-gah?
238—Agreed. Let’s get a HoF left-fielder.
Chip needs to cut down on thesaurus time, that’s for sure.
“Tag of the dish” is a good one. One of Chip’s more goofy verbal tics is when he says something where all the individual words make sense but no human being would actually say.
@246, there is at least 1, and probably two available.
A HoF left fielder with dreads?
The Melkman strikes again!
MELKYPOWER!
We get a left fielder, there might be a battle for playing time in right.
For Chip Caray, the thing that gets me hitting the mute button the fastest is when he loudly yells, on a double or triple, something like:
“And look at [insert playing here] streaking around second.”
@250, That’s the one that might be available. There’s another one without that could be had tomorrow.
Dammit Giants.
so, glaus hits an extra base hit every 3 games and everything’s cool.
aag has a bad habit of swinging at balls.
and is melky cabrera becoming likable?
I know the general rule is career broadcast guys do play-by-play and former players do color commentary. But it seems like their must be some former players who could do decent play-by-play, since the Atlanta stations seem incapable of finding career broadcast guys who understand baseball.
Joe does a solid play-by-play
AAG threw an F-bomb after striking out. That seems to be the popular word among our players.
Among our players? You mean among angry people all across this f*ckin nation.
260- Oddly, it’s also common when describing them.
9-3 Phillies. Thanks a heap, San Fran. Let us know when you decide to play baseball again.
@261:
That’s pretty common, isn’t it? I know I do it.
Earl Weaver liked it too (NSFW):
and
Prado is just a hitting fool…..
And Torgo’s the same, but without the hitting.
We should probably save some of these for another game.
Torgo’s expression standing on second just killed me. He almost looked disappointed to have prolonged his agony by hitting the double.
Torgo in on the action. Better put Stammen on hari-kari watch.
@258
Sciambi was a career broadcaster and he was perfect, imo. I was really upset when I found out he was going to ESPN.
And, not that I’m defending Chip, but anybody who says that he is the worst has never heard Harellson and his “HE GONE!!!” or “PUT IT ON THE BOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRD!!!!”
It is, literally, nauseating to hear him call a game.
Sciambi was great. It’s a shame to hear him doing NIT and LLWS games.
Stop doing a close-up of Prado’s butt, Sportsouth guys.
Congrats to Minor.
From the farm–5 errors by Gwinnett tonight. EOF had two good innings; KK allowed a walk and two hits (one a homer) in 4 IP. For Rome, RSF was 0-4 with 4 K and Salcedo was 0-4 with 3 K.
I miss Boog.
@272 Speak for yourself! I like the view.
I’ve heard plenty of Harrelson. He’s got nothing on Chip. He’s annoying, but he understands some things about the game. Chip, as I’ve said before, has an annoying voice and annoying mannerisms, and he doesn’t understand any of what’s going on on the field. He’s the absolute worst.
As @53 above I just want to mention that on a dropped third stike that if the batter is thrown out for the third out at first there is no PB or WP
I hate this team. We have no offense and inconsistent starting pitching. And Mike Minor is just another overhyped lefty prospect — Terrell Wade, Bruce Chen, Damian Moss, Odalis Perez… our farm system is OVERRATED and Frank Wren is a freaking MORON.
Recapped.
going back to last years draft and looking at what Minor has done, who would we have been better off taking at that pick? Its pretty amazing what Minor has done and Im glad he wasnt moved around the deadline. He seems to be able to handle this situation. He’s confident and I like it