Heard an interview with SD GM Kevin Towers today & he was asked about dealing Peavy. His response: “It was a lot easier to deal him when he finally agreed to get traded to a team other than the Cubs or the Dodgers.”
He was also asked about the potential ATL deal: “Frank Wren made us a very fair offer, but Atlanta might’ve been a little too close to home for Jake.”
Wonder what that means?
Nick
on August 3, 2009 at 4:32 pm
Perhaps he wanted to be closer than the West Coast, but didn’t particularly want family constantly bothering him either. In any case, while I was a very strong proponent of the Peavy trade, even if it meant sending them Escobar, I think it obviously all worked out pretty well that we failed to get him. That’s water under the bridge as far as I’m concerned. Even if in the end the only reason we didn’t get him was because he was being unreasonable, it all worked out.
BTW though, did he seriously think they were going to trade him to the Dodgers?
csg
on August 3, 2009 at 4:44 pm
we are a lot better off with Yunel, McLouth, Lowe, and Vasquez over Peavy. Thats basically what the cost wouldve been.
Yes, sometimes the best deals are the ones not made. Anybody want Peavy? Griffey, anyone? Furcal?
In the radio interview, Towers said that he certainly didn’t like the idea of helping the Dodgers and he could understand why Padres fans might hate it, but he “wasn’t a GM who was afraid to deal within his division,” even to LA, if he could get some salary relief & help his team in the long run.
He also made it sound like the Dodgers had too much leverage knowing that Peavy only had 2 teams he really wanted to play for.
csg
on August 3, 2009 at 5:09 pm
per DOB,
I think Braves have called up INF Chris Burke from Triple-A. He’s be returning to the place where he started the season (hit .207 with a homer in 89 at-bats for Padres before they dumped him)
Church’s elbow is hurt. He had a cortisone injection and was hoping to play today. I guess not.
Weldon
on August 3, 2009 at 5:43 pm
I can’t be held accountable for what I do if Chris Burke is called up.
Johnny
on August 3, 2009 at 5:45 pm
Yeah I was reflecting on ‘the ones that got away’ just recently.
Furcal, Griffey, Peavey? Maybe A.J. Burnett over Lowe but Vazquez has been as good or better than A.J. so who knows?
Maybe Peavey didn’t want the hometown pressure that sabatoged Francoeurs brilliant career.
Robert
on August 3, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Thanks for the info. If Matty Diaz wanted to start hitting again, now would be a good time. He’s lost over a 100 points of OPS in the last month.
If you were going to call up an outfielder, because Church went on the DL, who would you go with? Gorecki has the best numbers, but isn’t on the 40-man, so you’d have to make room. Brandon Jones hasn’t hit with any power, but still has that .372 OBP. Blanco and Crab Man have the most tactical value, because they can pinch-run or enter as defensive replacements, but haven’t hit at all. And then there’s Heyward…
Johnny
on August 3, 2009 at 5:57 pm
Some familiar Columbus Clippers
Andy Marte .326/.369/.593 in 82 games – with the big club now.
George Lombard – released. Wow has it been that long ago that he was Jeff Francoeur before Jeff Francoeur was Jeff Francoeur?
Robert
on August 3, 2009 at 5:58 pm
Since Norton is the first man off the bench most nights, seems like ‘hitter’ would be the top priority. The team is terribly vulnerable to lefties, maybe Brian Barton? The pickings are pretty slim down there.
Johnny
on August 3, 2009 at 5:58 pm
I’d give Brandon Jones a chance. At least he can do one thing good offensively.
edit: Uh Oh the Frenchy trade is starting to look like a bad one.
(sarcasm before anyone starts throwing rocks)
I like Matt Young’s .402 OBP, but it’s pretty clear that he’s not someone the organization takes seriously.
Jorgbacca
on August 3, 2009 at 6:02 pm
Having seen Heyward numerous times in Pearl; I know one thing. He won’t stay in Double AA long. That said, I’d be surprised if they called him up this early because it really looks to me like they are taking the Hanson approach with him. Finish this year in Pearl, start next year in Gwinnett, come up to Atlanta and take over right field mid May.
My question is where do you hit him next year? He’s an ideal #3 hitter but that spots is currently taken despite those that think Chipper’s done for. (I realize that for the first couple of games Bobby will probably put him very low because that’s what Bobby does. I’m talking about when the lineup stabilizes because he’s too good to hit in the back half)
braves14
on August 3, 2009 at 6:04 pm
Probably Blanco, strictly for tactical reasons. Pinch-runner/late inning defensive replacement for ACHE
Johnny
on August 3, 2009 at 6:07 pm
Jorgbacca, looking at Heyward’s stats you have to say the young man has a bright future. Having seen him play how does he move in the field? Does the ball explode off of his bat? Man I would love for that kid to do a AAA stint so I could get a chance to see him live.
oldtimer?
on August 3, 2009 at 6:09 pm
Yup, it looks more and more likely that Heyward will be in Atlanta sooner than later.
If we fall out of the race completely I would not be surprised if he got a cup of coffee this season.
I dont like rushing prospects but that kid is an absolute machine.
Jorgbacca
on August 3, 2009 at 6:10 pm
Mac, remember your Midget theory you had a few years ago? About how the strike zone would be impossibly small?
As someone that has watched 4 years of him live I can tell his .402 OBP might just give some credit to that theory. Lets just say the 5’8″ they list him as is generous.
Heyward’s stats in Mississippi are almost too good. He’s been so good that if you promote him and he plays poorly for a few games, he might let it get to him. I’d kind of like for him to get a AA slump out of the way first.
Jorgbacca
on August 3, 2009 at 6:18 pm
Johnny,
I wouldn’t really say I have an eye for baseball talent so I’m not the best to give you a great opinion. Now with Heyward he’s so good that even I can tell you he’s special. Freeman looks pretty good to but not on Heyward’s level. I’ve never seen some one just destroy double AA like he has. Closest was a guy that was in the Mariners system that was about 26 and way too old for the league. He topped out there but Heyward’s only 19 so its really remarkable. Everything he touches with the bat just seems to be hit hard and he has great plate discipline for a guy that can’t seem to make an out.
Too me he looks like he plays great defense. Arm is plenty strong to make the throws to third. Seems to read the ball well and I particularly noted that he seemed to read the bounce off the walls well.
But again I’m not much of a scout. When Prado and Escobar where in Pearl I didn’t think they’d be able to hit much at the major league level because they weren’t hitting that much in Pearl. Especially Escobar who I thought played defense well enough to maybe be a defensive specialist. On the other hand Diory hit very well here and I wondered aloud why he wasn’t considered a prospect at all. Well I’ve learn to trust the scouts evaluations because they obviously saw something I was missing.
Johnny
on August 3, 2009 at 6:19 pm
I don’t want to see him with the big club this year. I too would prefer that he stay in AA.
Jordan Schafer done for the year?
edit: Thanks Jorge. Some guys can make a very difficult game look easy.
For names, Pocoroba, Saltalamacchia & Spooneybarger were plenty tough to beat, but we seem to have done it many times already.
How’s this for a lousy outing?
In 1.2 IP, Met starter Nelson Figueroa faced 15 Diamondbacks tonight, gave up 10 hits (including 2 2Bs & 3 HRs), walked one, got 5 outs (one was a caught stealing), gave up 6 ER & left in the 2nd inning with 2 guys on base.
Kevin Frace
on August 3, 2009 at 7:27 pm
Sweet Jesus, that’s a nice name. Is he any good?
Johnny
on August 3, 2009 at 7:45 pm
I’m sure a lot of y’all knew this but Pocoroba’s first name is really Biff. I’ll be damned.
Tony
on August 3, 2009 at 8:16 pm
@35 Also add, a terrible team with a dominant closer.
When will the Reds fire Dusty Baker? It’s past due.
Hiawatha Terrell Wade
on August 3, 2009 at 8:25 pm
Did anyone see what happened to Heyward tonight?
Stu
on August 3, 2009 at 8:28 pm
44—Huh?
Jeremy
on August 3, 2009 at 8:40 pm
Ankle injury.
M
on August 3, 2009 at 8:44 pm
@44-No…but that doesn’t sound good.
Smitty
on August 3, 2009 at 8:45 pm
MY favorite Braves name: Wonderful Monds
Smitty
on August 3, 2009 at 8:50 pm
Well, what happened to Heyward?
sdp
on August 3, 2009 at 9:05 pm
Heyward had some sort of injury. Shanksters have created some false buzz that it’s an oblique strain that will shelve him for pretty much the rest of the season. There’s no official news yet so I’m not going to listen to those dopes.
sdp
on August 3, 2009 at 9:12 pm
Shanksters also had Jordan Schafer with a broken wrist. He did not, of course I’ve never heard what the hell happened to him.
2 seeing eye grounders, a homer, and a double. And everyone wants to lynch him. He’s a 5th starter. Just live with him. He’s very good for his role. They’re 5th starters for a reason.
Jeremy
on August 3, 2009 at 9:44 pm
We’re not paying him 7 mil a year to be a fifth starter.
Tony
on August 3, 2009 at 9:46 pm
Good Ol Skip….
@78 These are the Padres, and this is a must series for the Braves. No time for no 5th starter excuses nonsense.
Tomas
on August 3, 2009 at 9:46 pm
That Latos guy is a big dude.
Parish
on August 3, 2009 at 9:47 pm
Why do I feel like a relative “slugfest” favors the Pads?
He’s been a 0.7 win pitcher so far this season. If the Braves were expecting more than that they’re f’n stupid. Sure, maybe they hoped for more than that, but a 4.37 ERA a 1.39 WHIP, and a league average home run rate is not bad. Much better than a 5th starter. Fair market value I’d say.
Jeremy
on August 3, 2009 at 9:50 pm
You could actually hear Joe rolling his eyes when Boog mentioned the website FanGraphs.
anonymous lurker
on August 3, 2009 at 9:52 pm
Never doubt the ability of someone on here to defend bad players.
EDIT–Matt Diaz: not a RF.
Mr. Swings@Everything
on August 3, 2009 at 9:52 pm
What can you say? Braves fans have rarely appreciated the merely adequate player. It’s rather annoying.
I’m not particularly bothered by KK’s ERA, WHIP, or similar metrics. I am bothered that he’s barely good for 5 innings a start and therefore burns the pen every time he starts.
Parish
on August 3, 2009 at 9:54 pm
Kind of a crap hit by Venable.
Jeremy
on August 3, 2009 at 9:56 pm
I don’t care how you slice it, a SP with an ERA north of 4.5 and a WHIP of 1.4 and climbing is not worth $7 mil a year — and especially not to a team with a restricted payroll.
This isn’t all KK’s fault. We only scored one run with the bases loaded, no outs, then we’ve had some crappy defense. The two hits in the first were just out of reach of McClouth too.. some of it’s bad luck.
Jeremy
on August 3, 2009 at 9:58 pm
Braves fans have rarely appreciated the merely adequate player.
I’m fine with adequate players. I’m not fine with adequate players that are overpaid.
Kawakami’s xFIP is 4.80, so he’s actually been pretty lucky. Doesn’t bode well for the second half.
Tony
on August 3, 2009 at 10:00 pm
@92…Luck is part of baseball. You have the good and the bad. Now that ball was hit like a rocket, “luckily” for KK it was hit right at Yunel. He’s been hit pretty well…
Well the Braves aren’t good enough to overcome any bad breaks. Two terrible baserunning mistakes and Diaz’s screw up in right is more than enough to lose the game.
Parish
on August 3, 2009 at 10:04 pm
Looks like we are getting pitches to hit and just not converting.
I don’t care how you slice it, a SP with an ERA north of 4.5 and a WHIP of 1.4 and climbing is not worth $7 mil a year — and especially not to a team with a restricted payroll.
Uhhh. Teams pay 4.5 million per WAR. If he’s slightly below average–like he has been–he’s worth the money he makes.
EDIT: We’re also 12th in payroll. I don’t know what you mean by “restricted payroll”. If you mean “we have a payroll limit”, then yes, we have “restricted payroll”. But we’re not exactly the Marlins, here.
Parish
on August 3, 2009 at 10:13 pm
How is FIP calculated?
Parish
on August 3, 2009 at 10:37 pm
The 1st pitch strike stat might just be aided by every Brave swinging at the first pitch.
Parish
on August 3, 2009 at 10:42 pm
Well turned.
jj3bagger
on August 3, 2009 at 10:45 pm
In other news, Neftali Feliz just had his MLB debut. 3 up, 3ks, throwing darts, touched 100 several times. I think I may cry.
sdp
on August 3, 2009 at 10:54 pm
Four batters faced, four strikeouts for Feliz.
Christ.
the braves blow here
on August 3, 2009 at 10:55 pm
Diaz does a good Franceour impression imo.
sdp
on August 3, 2009 at 10:58 pm
Feliz just touched 101 MPH…
Frank
on August 3, 2009 at 10:59 pm
O’F with his head up his …
Feliz is salt in the wound–I hated the trade then and like it even less now.
joelk
on August 3, 2009 at 11:00 pm
Is it just my imagination or have we seen the pitcher late to cover alot this season?
Parish
on August 3, 2009 at 11:00 pm
I feel like I’ve seen a lot of pitchers not getting over to cover for the Braves this year.
joelk
on August 3, 2009 at 11:01 pm
jj3bagger, my sentiments exactly!
Tony
on August 3, 2009 at 11:01 pm
LOL….wow
Parish
on August 3, 2009 at 11:01 pm
Crap. I think he was out.
And it cost us a run.
Frank
on August 3, 2009 at 11:02 pm
… and it costs a run (but I thought the runner was out at third–no argument from Chipper though)
Parish
on August 3, 2009 at 11:04 pm
The ump was right on top of that play. No excuse for missing the call.
I can’t even get mad about that call. When is Church coming back? Diaz is doing nothing…
Thanks for nothing O’Fl…talking about jetlag.
Stu
on August 3, 2009 at 11:19 pm
We’re not looking very good right now.
Frank
on August 3, 2009 at 11:21 pm
nope, about time to go walk the dog
I think the Prado out in the 1st was the killer play–no way to know for sure of course
Tony
on August 3, 2009 at 11:21 pm
Damn…Jon K maybe right.
It has to be the KJ curse. He’s comes back and the offense resemble his play.
stupup74
on August 3, 2009 at 11:25 pm
This team is abysmal.
Frank
on August 3, 2009 at 11:35 pm
Heath Bell: body by Wickman
Tony
on August 3, 2009 at 11:38 pm
Fucking disgrace….
Jeremy
on August 3, 2009 at 11:38 pm
Well, fack me in the beard.
Marc
on August 3, 2009 at 11:41 pm
It’s the curse of KJ. You know that movie with Jessica Alba where that guy has the curse that whoever he sleeps with will soon find love with somebody else? KJ has something like that, only his curse is that whatever major league team he’s on will suck.
Jeremy
on August 3, 2009 at 11:44 pm
jort,
Kawakami ain’t worth what he’s making. I’m sorry. I don’t care what WAR says. I’m not paying a starting pitcher with an ERA+ in the low 90s who is regularly wiped after five innings $7 mil a year. Jesus, Chuck James was better than that.
anonymous lurker
on August 3, 2009 at 11:44 pm
So wait…Adam LaRoche WASN’T the solution?
Stu
on August 3, 2009 at 11:45 pm
This “KJ is cursed / causes bad karma” thing is really, really stupid and annoying. I can’t believed it’s still getting traction on here.
braves14
on August 3, 2009 at 11:47 pm
Nobody had more than one hit tonight. LaRoche’s solo homer was the only extra base hit.
If we don’t take the next 2 our season is in really bad shape.
Jeremy
on August 3, 2009 at 11:53 pm
Heyward pinch hit in the second game of the DH (lined out), which is a good sign.
Jon K
on August 3, 2009 at 11:56 pm
haha Tony… my man… have you seen the light? How about anyone else? I still can’t believe this blind hope some of you have, I mean your listing this stat, that stat yada yada yada. All you need to do is turn on the tv and watch how this offense just played the last 7 games. Stats don’t mean a damn thing. I mean just watch how half the lineup is swinging at strikes in the dirt, watches fastballs go right down the middle, fails to move runners, can’t get timely hits etc etc. I mean I love the braves more than anything and each loss up until last night was tougher than the last to swallow. But after that dodgers game, I saw the light, this team is a .500 ball club if that. I mean its just a disgrace how this team plays. A lot of you wanted to focus on how well the offense played right after the break. Well that was a fluke guys… that is not the true braves offense. The offense you have been seeing all year (the one failing to score runs time and time again) is what you should expect, not that offensive flash in the pan. And its not just the offense, this team just for some reason can not put together a full team effort for an extended period of time. If the offense puts the pitchers in position to win, the bullpen blows it, if the offense scores enough runs, a guy like kawakami pitches the team out of the game. Its one thing or another with this team, but the end all fact is this isn’t a playoff team by any means. I’m gonna predict it right now, this team will be lucky to win 2 games against the padres and against the dodgers.
ryan c
on August 4, 2009 at 3:08 am
woke up in the middle of the night so i came to check the score. saw it, vomited on the computer, going back to bed…will probably have nightmares.
kc
on August 4, 2009 at 3:25 am
@124 I don’t think you quite remember what Chucky was like…
124,
So basically you’re saying is, “I don’t care what fair market value actually is, I just perceive him as being over payed. Even though someone has pointed out he makes about as much as the market values him, I’m going to use a rather irrelevant comparison to Chuck James to get people to agree with my subjective assessment of the situation–the assessment being he’s over payed”.
Mike
on August 4, 2009 at 7:09 am
This team needs an enema.
Kawakami didn’t pitch THAT bad. He’s kept us in a lot of ballgames and last night’s appears to have been within reach… if only we had an offense. Bases loaded, nobody out in the first and all we can muster is a sac-fly.
I’ve got to agree with Jon K. This team just can’t put it all together and they’re simply an average team at best. While we’ve seen teams hang around .500 and kick it into gear late in the season to make the playoffs, the Braves don’t give me that feeling.
Dusty
on August 4, 2009 at 8:04 am
Pretty damning evidence of Chipper’s eroding defensive skills:
I’ve no idea when I will recap this one (or tomorrow’s) but probably not until midday afterwards.
I hate West Coast games.
Take it easy, Mac. Hope you wake up to a win.
Heard an interview with SD GM Kevin Towers today & he was asked about dealing Peavy. His response: “It was a lot easier to deal him when he finally agreed to get traded to a team other than the Cubs or the Dodgers.”
He was also asked about the potential ATL deal: “Frank Wren made us a very fair offer, but Atlanta might’ve been a little too close to home for Jake.”
Wonder what that means?
Perhaps he wanted to be closer than the West Coast, but didn’t particularly want family constantly bothering him either. In any case, while I was a very strong proponent of the Peavy trade, even if it meant sending them Escobar, I think it obviously all worked out pretty well that we failed to get him. That’s water under the bridge as far as I’m concerned. Even if in the end the only reason we didn’t get him was because he was being unreasonable, it all worked out.
BTW though, did he seriously think they were going to trade him to the Dodgers?
we are a lot better off with Yunel, McLouth, Lowe, and Vasquez over Peavy. Thats basically what the cost wouldve been.
Yes, sometimes the best deals are the ones not made. Anybody want Peavy? Griffey, anyone? Furcal?
In the radio interview, Towers said that he certainly didn’t like the idea of helping the Dodgers and he could understand why Padres fans might hate it, but he “wasn’t a GM who was afraid to deal within his division,” even to LA, if he could get some salary relief & help his team in the long run.
He also made it sound like the Dodgers had too much leverage knowing that Peavy only had 2 teams he really wanted to play for.
per DOB,
I think Braves have called up INF Chris Burke from Triple-A. He’s be returning to the place where he started the season (hit .207 with a homer in 89 at-bats for Padres before they dumped him)
I don’t like the sound of that. It makes me think that Yunel is going on the DL.
Could we be free of Subzero?
Nope, DOB says Burke has not been called up.
McLouth CF
Prado 2B
Jones 3B
McCann C
Anderson LF
Escobar SS
LaRoche 1B
Diaz RF
Kawakami RH
Maybe I missed it. What’s wrong with Church?
Church’s elbow is hurt. He had a cortisone injection and was hoping to play today. I guess not.
I can’t be held accountable for what I do if Chris Burke is called up.
Yeah I was reflecting on ‘the ones that got away’ just recently.
Furcal, Griffey, Peavey? Maybe A.J. Burnett over Lowe but Vazquez has been as good or better than A.J. so who knows?
Maybe Peavey didn’t want the hometown pressure that sabatoged Francoeurs brilliant career.
Thanks for the info. If Matty Diaz wanted to start hitting again, now would be a good time. He’s lost over a 100 points of OPS in the last month.
“Nope, DOB says Burke has not been called up.”
Oh, well, Life Goes On.
If you were going to call up an outfielder, because Church went on the DL, who would you go with? Gorecki has the best numbers, but isn’t on the 40-man, so you’d have to make room. Brandon Jones hasn’t hit with any power, but still has that .372 OBP. Blanco and Crab Man have the most tactical value, because they can pinch-run or enter as defensive replacements, but haven’t hit at all. And then there’s Heyward…
Some familiar Columbus Clippers
Andy Marte .326/.369/.593 in 82 games – with the big club now.
George Lombard – released. Wow has it been that long ago that he was Jeff Francoeur before Jeff Francoeur was Jeff Francoeur?
Since Norton is the first man off the bench most nights, seems like ‘hitter’ would be the top priority. The team is terribly vulnerable to lefties, maybe Brian Barton? The pickings are pretty slim down there.
I’d give Brandon Jones a chance. At least he can do one thing good offensively.
edit: Uh Oh the Frenchy trade is starting to look like a bad one.
(sarcasm before anyone starts throwing rocks)
edit again: Just saw Barton play…….. he sucks.
I like Matt Young’s .402 OBP, but it’s pretty clear that he’s not someone the organization takes seriously.
Having seen Heyward numerous times in Pearl; I know one thing. He won’t stay in Double AA long. That said, I’d be surprised if they called him up this early because it really looks to me like they are taking the Hanson approach with him. Finish this year in Pearl, start next year in Gwinnett, come up to Atlanta and take over right field mid May.
My question is where do you hit him next year? He’s an ideal #3 hitter but that spots is currently taken despite those that think Chipper’s done for. (I realize that for the first couple of games Bobby will probably put him very low because that’s what Bobby does. I’m talking about when the lineup stabilizes because he’s too good to hit in the back half)
Probably Blanco, strictly for tactical reasons. Pinch-runner/late inning defensive replacement for ACHE
Jorgbacca, looking at Heyward’s stats you have to say the young man has a bright future. Having seen him play how does he move in the field? Does the ball explode off of his bat? Man I would love for that kid to do a AAA stint so I could get a chance to see him live.
Yup, it looks more and more likely that Heyward will be in Atlanta sooner than later.
If we fall out of the race completely I would not be surprised if he got a cup of coffee this season.
I dont like rushing prospects but that kid is an absolute machine.
Mac, remember your Midget theory you had a few years ago? About how the strike zone would be impossibly small?
As someone that has watched 4 years of him live I can tell his .402 OBP might just give some credit to that theory. Lets just say the 5’8″ they list him as is generous.
Heyward’s stats in Mississippi are almost too good. He’s been so good that if you promote him and he plays poorly for a few games, he might let it get to him. I’d kind of like for him to get a AA slump out of the way first.
Johnny,
I wouldn’t really say I have an eye for baseball talent so I’m not the best to give you a great opinion. Now with Heyward he’s so good that even I can tell you he’s special. Freeman looks pretty good to but not on Heyward’s level. I’ve never seen some one just destroy double AA like he has. Closest was a guy that was in the Mariners system that was about 26 and way too old for the league. He topped out there but Heyward’s only 19 so its really remarkable. Everything he touches with the bat just seems to be hit hard and he has great plate discipline for a guy that can’t seem to make an out.
Too me he looks like he plays great defense. Arm is plenty strong to make the throws to third. Seems to read the ball well and I particularly noted that he seemed to read the bounce off the walls well.
But again I’m not much of a scout. When Prado and Escobar where in Pearl I didn’t think they’d be able to hit much at the major league level because they weren’t hitting that much in Pearl. Especially Escobar who I thought played defense well enough to maybe be a defensive specialist. On the other hand Diory hit very well here and I wondered aloud why he wasn’t considered a prospect at all. Well I’ve learn to trust the scouts evaluations because they obviously saw something I was missing.
I don’t want to see him with the big club this year. I too would prefer that he stay in AA.
Jordan Schafer done for the year?
edit: Thanks Jorge. Some guys can make a very difficult game look easy.
New poll.
We have somebody named Ryohei Shimabukuro? You learn something new every day.
I voted for Jesus Sucre because I think his name roughly translates to Sweet Jesus…and because of the Lebowski factor.
I think it means “Jesus Sugar”.
I love the name Jhonder Viscaya. I don’t love that he’s apparently a 20 year old corner infielder hitting .195/.287/.234 in rookie ball.
I jhate to say it but if he doesn’t learn how to jhit better than that he’s soon to be jheaded back to Venezuela.
I love west coast games!
Great poll Mac. I was torn between Spanjer-Furstenburg and Sucre.
It’s a measure of the depth of the system that they can release Kala Ka’aihue and not miss a beat.
Tonight represents the triple-threat of ways in which the Braves will look horrible offensively.
1. First game of a series on the west coast following a night game across the continent.
2. Pitcher the Braves have never seen before.
3. Tall pitcher with a live arm.
Best of luck KK…you will not be getting run support tonight if history plays out.
I’m going to shut down fairly soon… if I get up early enough, I’ll recap then, if not it’ll be noonish before I’m in front of a computer again.
Spooneybarger….has to be my favourite Brave name….
37,
I was a fan of Saltalamacchia.
Biff Pocaroba for me. Score one for the old guys!
is it just me or does Riann Spanjer-Fusrtenburg sound like a swimsuit model? I sure hope that’s pronounced Ryan or that kid is one tough sumbitch.
Yeah, it technically means Jesus Sugar, but I like Sweet Jesus a lot better.
What happened with Kala? He had been progressing fine until he seemingly hit a brick wall this year. Weird stuff.
For names, Pocoroba, Saltalamacchia & Spooneybarger were plenty tough to beat, but we seem to have done it many times already.
How’s this for a lousy outing?
In 1.2 IP, Met starter Nelson Figueroa faced 15 Diamondbacks tonight, gave up 10 hits (including 2 2Bs & 3 HRs), walked one, got 5 outs (one was a caught stealing), gave up 6 ER & left in the 2nd inning with 2 guys on base.
Sweet Jesus, that’s a nice name. Is he any good?
I’m sure a lot of y’all knew this but Pocoroba’s first name is really Biff. I’ll be damned.
@35 Also add, a terrible team with a dominant closer.
When will the Reds fire Dusty Baker? It’s past due.
Did anyone see what happened to Heyward tonight?
44—Huh?
Ankle injury.
@44-No…but that doesn’t sound good.
MY favorite Braves name: Wonderful Monds
Well, what happened to Heyward?
Heyward had some sort of injury. Shanksters have created some false buzz that it’s an oblique strain that will shelve him for pretty much the rest of the season. There’s no official news yet so I’m not going to listen to those dopes.
Shanksters also had Jordan Schafer with a broken wrist. He did not, of course I’ve never heard what the hell happened to him.
Wellman says it’s nothing noteworthy. That doesn’t sound good…..
Love that 2-strike swing by Prado.
17- I’m upset with myself for not referring to he who will not be mentioned as ‘The White George Lombard’ during his tenure.
Geez. Why?
There’s a Yunel by Prado.
What the hell was that!!!
39 – I am pretty sure it’s Ree-ahn.
The spirit of Yunel plays on!
I know it’s David Eckstein’s arm, but WTF was that crap ?
here’s something that major leaguers should know, if the 2B catches a routine fly ball its not a good idea to try and tag up from 3rd. I blame Snitker
Wow, a very rare base-running Prado!
59,
Yeah. Easy to blame Snitker. And he’s certainly not innocent. But you have to be pretty stupid to do that regardless of the 3B coach.
By the way, Schafer makes that play.
KK taking a page from JJ with the two out hits.
This guy sucks….when will Hudson be ready??
hey lets get ahead of hitters and throw nothing but fastballs, seemed to work yesterday also
KAWAKAMI SUCKS A SHRIVELED TRANNY’S PENIS!
hey Kotch, how ya doing
Huckleberry pop!
A hit for Diaz….very, very, very rare lately.
Shouldn’t have reached back Diaz….
LaRoche!~
two innings, two Yunels
@65–really not necessary
are we sure tonight’s game is at Petco ? also, was that really a grown women fighting with those kids for a ball in the sandbox ? wow
You suck, Ken.
I wish we could hit off Kawakami…. he throws good bp
Is anyone up in the bullpen?
This is really bad…
I thought I was happy that Gonzales was sitting.
What a play by LaRoche!
Beautiful stadium indeed….very energetic crowd.
2 seeing eye grounders, a homer, and a double. And everyone wants to lynch him. He’s a 5th starter. Just live with him. He’s very good for his role. They’re 5th starters for a reason.
We’re not paying him 7 mil a year to be a fifth starter.
Good Ol Skip….
@78 These are the Padres, and this is a must series for the Braves. No time for no 5th starter excuses nonsense.
That Latos guy is a big dude.
Why do I feel like a relative “slugfest” favors the Pads?
He’s been a 0.7 win pitcher so far this season. If the Braves were expecting more than that they’re f’n stupid. Sure, maybe they hoped for more than that, but a 4.37 ERA a 1.39 WHIP, and a league average home run rate is not bad. Much better than a 5th starter. Fair market value I’d say.
You could actually hear Joe rolling his eyes when Boog mentioned the website FanGraphs.
Never doubt the ability of someone on here to defend bad players.
EDIT–Matt Diaz: not a RF.
What can you say? Braves fans have rarely appreciated the merely adequate player. It’s rather annoying.
Freaking Diaz…
Good gawd…they are just taking BP.
Folks these are the SAN DIEGO PADRES.
I’m not particularly bothered by KK’s ERA, WHIP, or similar metrics. I am bothered that he’s barely good for 5 innings a start and therefore burns the pen every time he starts.
Kind of a crap hit by Venable.
I don’t care how you slice it, a SP with an ERA north of 4.5 and a WHIP of 1.4 and climbing is not worth $7 mil a year — and especially not to a team with a restricted payroll.
This isn’t all KK’s fault. We only scored one run with the bases loaded, no outs, then we’ve had some crappy defense. The two hits in the first were just out of reach of McClouth too.. some of it’s bad luck.
Braves fans have rarely appreciated the merely adequate player.
I’m fine with adequate players. I’m not fine with adequate players that are overpaid.
Kawakami’s xFIP is 4.80, so he’s actually been pretty lucky. Doesn’t bode well for the second half.
@92…Luck is part of baseball. You have the good and the bad. Now that ball was hit like a rocket, “luckily” for KK it was hit right at Yunel. He’s been hit pretty well…
Well the Braves aren’t good enough to overcome any bad breaks. Two terrible baserunning mistakes and Diaz’s screw up in right is more than enough to lose the game.
Looks like we are getting pitches to hit and just not converting.
Garrett still hitless since the Kotchman trade.
I don’t care how you slice it, a SP with an ERA north of 4.5 and a WHIP of 1.4 and climbing is not worth $7 mil a year — and especially not to a team with a restricted payroll.
Uhhh. Teams pay 4.5 million per WAR. If he’s slightly below average–like he has been–he’s worth the money he makes.
EDIT: We’re also 12th in payroll. I don’t know what you mean by “restricted payroll”. If you mean “we have a payroll limit”, then yes, we have “restricted payroll”. But we’re not exactly the Marlins, here.
How is FIP calculated?
The 1st pitch strike stat might just be aided by every Brave swinging at the first pitch.
Well turned.
In other news, Neftali Feliz just had his MLB debut. 3 up, 3ks, throwing darts, touched 100 several times. I think I may cry.
Four batters faced, four strikeouts for Feliz.
Christ.
Diaz does a good Franceour impression imo.
Feliz just touched 101 MPH…
O’F with his head up his …
Feliz is salt in the wound–I hated the trade then and like it even less now.
Is it just my imagination or have we seen the pitcher late to cover alot this season?
I feel like I’ve seen a lot of pitchers not getting over to cover for the Braves this year.
jj3bagger, my sentiments exactly!
LOL….wow
Crap. I think he was out.
And it cost us a run.
… and it costs a run (but I thought the runner was out at third–no argument from Chipper though)
The ump was right on top of that play. No excuse for missing the call.
O’Godnoerty.
I can’t even get mad about that call. When is Church coming back? Diaz is doing nothing…
Thanks for nothing O’Fl…talking about jetlag.
We’re not looking very good right now.
nope, about time to go walk the dog
I think the Prado out in the 1st was the killer play–no way to know for sure of course
Damn…Jon K maybe right.
It has to be the KJ curse. He’s comes back and the offense resemble his play.
This team is abysmal.
Heath Bell: body by Wickman
Fucking disgrace….
Well, fack me in the beard.
It’s the curse of KJ. You know that movie with Jessica Alba where that guy has the curse that whoever he sleeps with will soon find love with somebody else? KJ has something like that, only his curse is that whatever major league team he’s on will suck.
jort,
Kawakami ain’t worth what he’s making. I’m sorry. I don’t care what WAR says. I’m not paying a starting pitcher with an ERA+ in the low 90s who is regularly wiped after five innings $7 mil a year. Jesus, Chuck James was better than that.
So wait…Adam LaRoche WASN’T the solution?
This “KJ is cursed / causes bad karma” thing is really, really stupid and annoying. I can’t believed it’s still getting traction on here.
Nobody had more than one hit tonight. LaRoche’s solo homer was the only extra base hit.
If we don’t take the next 2 our season is in really bad shape.
Heyward pinch hit in the second game of the DH (lined out), which is a good sign.
haha Tony… my man… have you seen the light? How about anyone else? I still can’t believe this blind hope some of you have, I mean your listing this stat, that stat yada yada yada. All you need to do is turn on the tv and watch how this offense just played the last 7 games. Stats don’t mean a damn thing. I mean just watch how half the lineup is swinging at strikes in the dirt, watches fastballs go right down the middle, fails to move runners, can’t get timely hits etc etc. I mean I love the braves more than anything and each loss up until last night was tougher than the last to swallow. But after that dodgers game, I saw the light, this team is a .500 ball club if that. I mean its just a disgrace how this team plays. A lot of you wanted to focus on how well the offense played right after the break. Well that was a fluke guys… that is not the true braves offense. The offense you have been seeing all year (the one failing to score runs time and time again) is what you should expect, not that offensive flash in the pan. And its not just the offense, this team just for some reason can not put together a full team effort for an extended period of time. If the offense puts the pitchers in position to win, the bullpen blows it, if the offense scores enough runs, a guy like kawakami pitches the team out of the game. Its one thing or another with this team, but the end all fact is this isn’t a playoff team by any means. I’m gonna predict it right now, this team will be lucky to win 2 games against the padres and against the dodgers.
woke up in the middle of the night so i came to check the score. saw it, vomited on the computer, going back to bed…will probably have nightmares.
@124 I don’t think you quite remember what Chucky was like…
124,
So basically you’re saying is, “I don’t care what fair market value actually is, I just perceive him as being over payed. Even though someone has pointed out he makes about as much as the market values him, I’m going to use a rather irrelevant comparison to Chuck James to get people to agree with my subjective assessment of the situation–the assessment being he’s over payed”.
This team needs an enema.
Kawakami didn’t pitch THAT bad. He’s kept us in a lot of ballgames and last night’s appears to have been within reach… if only we had an offense. Bases loaded, nobody out in the first and all we can muster is a sac-fly.
I’ve got to agree with Jon K. This team just can’t put it all together and they’re simply an average team at best. While we’ve seen teams hang around .500 and kick it into gear late in the season to make the playoffs, the Braves don’t give me that feeling.
Pretty damning evidence of Chipper’s eroding defensive skills:
http://www.baseballdailydigest.com/blogs/2009/08/03/diggin-in-the-defensive-dirt-part-3-third-basemen/
Interesting fact: most teams lose when they only score two runs.
The Return of the Ocelots: .500 Strikes Back.
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Recap is up.