Atlanta Braves vs. Florida Marlins – Box Score – September 03, 2010 – ESPN.
Gag.
The Kenshin Kawakami thing didn’t work out, obviously. He walked the first man he saw, then gave up a triple and a double, and was lucky to get out of the first inning down 2-0. After that, he got through the second unscathed, but was even worse in the third, giving up three runs on a triple, a double, a walk, and two intentional walks. 5-1, and that’s it for him. Scott Proctor, the lost cause of lost cause games, made his Braves debut, allowing a run in the fourth. At least with roster expansion the Braves didn’t have to burn through a bunch of real relievers, using Proctor for two innings, Mike Dunn for two, and Kyle Farnsworth for one.
And at least Kawakami drove in a run, singling with two out in the second after Rick Ankiel struck out with runners on second and third. Nobody else on the team did that much, as the Braves did their no-hits-with-runners-on-base thing again for a few innings, then just shut down for the night. All this against Andrew Miller, who couldn’t get people out in AA. Lead down to one game.
At the risk of being annoyingly cynical, I would just like to point out that I called this exact result in last night’s recap thread.
DOOOOOOMED!
Just because it needs to be said a lot more often than I’ve been hearing it recently.
EDIT: With the lead down to 1 game, shouldn’t it be spelled DOMED?
I think the problem mostly lies in the fact that, early in the season, the Braves could rely on timely singles and doubles to score runs because they were so good at getting on base.
With the addition of guys like Ankiel and Gonzalez as regulars, they’re no longer getting on base nearly as much, and as such they aren’t able to rely on singles and doubles to score bunches of runs. Now the singles and doubles are coming with one or two outs and then getting stranded.
Somehow the Braves turned up the power for a bit during the second half, and it was enough to keep them afloat atop the NL East for awhile, but it looks like it wasn’t enough to keep up the pre-ASB level of offense and keep the Phillies way behind.
I don’t see how Ankiel and Gonzalez taking the place of McLouth and Escobar, neither of whom was getting on base at all the first half, has hurt our ability to get on base.
We’ve lost 2 games in a row after a 5 game win streak, and are 19-13 since the first of August. Perspective, people, perspective.
I’m sorry, I meant to say DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED
Well, that’s probably all she wrote for Kawakami.
Cox: “That’s the worst I’ve ever seen him.”
@5 – That made me chuckle out loud. Twitter post is right. Bobby Cox saying that about a player speaks volumes and tells you all you need to know about what he thinks of Kawakami. He would never say that about someone who he thought would be needed to contribute or that he liked.
lol, Jesse Chavez is getting lit up in extras.
Actually, Escobar had a .334 OBP when we traded him, despite his terrible BA. Not outstanding, but he knew how to take a walk.
Again, can I say Alex Gonzo does not run hard on the basepaths. There is no way in hell he shouldn’t have scored on Ross’s double…to tie it up…in the 2nd or 3rd inning.
So what is it with the Fish? I can’t recall the last time we’ve really owned the season series against them? They hate Native Americans or something? Because they are a serial hate crime committer.
They kick our ass each and every year. And it is like a rag-tag-bag-of-bones (almost at this point) taking out Luke Skywalker (hey, DragonCon is in effect, you non-ATL m-effers).
Derek Lee. Damn bubba…you act like a 87-year-old in the batters box. Hope you start to act like the All-Star you used to be.
Giants lose to the Dodgers. Tonight’s not a total loss.
Lead down to one, the Phillies winning EVERY game, and Josh Johnson tomorrow. Not looking good!
The First Half Braves would have ate this guy’s lunch, working the count, drawing walks and would have gotten into the Marlins pen early.
The Second Half Braves swung at every damn thing pitched, got shutdown by a nobody, then simply quit when they fell far behind.
I preferred the First Half Braves.
I don’t see how Ankiel and Gonzalez taking the place of McLouth and Escobar, neither of whom was getting on base at all the first half, has hurt our ability to get on base.
I would say you don’t understand the value of working the count.
DAMN! A bunch of gloomy gusses’.
The fish have owned us for how long now? How much better would Lowe have done if we’re only scoring one run?
KK is done agreed. We still have little pop in the line up. And yes, the boys seem to be swinging at a lot more junk.
I want the division just as much as the next, but it still looks very likely we get the wild card.
Keep the faith ya’ll. This season ain’t over.
Seems like a good game to miss.
Went to the Lower East Side for some dinner (Tre on Ludlow, yum), a movie (“The Tillman Story,” recommended) and a nightcap (The Libary, best jukebox on Ave A).
We can pick up 2 games as easy as we can cough ’em up. We’ll be alright.
I’m glad I missed this one, too. Instead, I went to see “The American” and “Machete.” I recommend ’em both.
AAG’s OBP in Atlanta has been 16 points lower than Escobar’s. Miller three 100 pitches in five innings. We lost because they hit doubles and we hit singles.
FIRE TP!
Fucking DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED.
Just because every time I write it, the Braves seem to prove me wrong.
Please don’t blow it, please don’t blow it, please don’t blow it.
Can we now stop clamoring for Kenshin Kawakami, please? Can we also stop complaining about Bobby burying his worthless ass? That is precisely the type of start that we saw in at least half of his starts early in the year, and that everyone somehow totally forgot about while convincing themselves that he was better than Derek Lowe over the last two months.
The Braves have a problem in the rotation with Lowe’s bone chip (he thinks he can pitch through the pain. I have my doubts), the mismanagement of Kawakami that now leaves him as a million dollar lame duck, and Medlen’s injury. Basically three starters blown.
Thankfully Minor has pitched great. What other options are there? I’ve read about Beachy. Is he an option? Martinez pitched great in long relief. Can he give 5 innings as a starter?
Martinez has given five innings as a starter a couple times in Gwinnett, and he just gave four innings as a reliever a week or so ago. I’d say he’s probably our next option.
Any other keeper leaguers get Freeman on waivers this morning?
Hey, why stress about the Braves when there’s something baseball-related that you can (sort of) control?
😀
couldnt the Braves still trade for a SP? I know they couldnt be on the post season roster, but they could still acquire someone right?
Something tells me that Lowe will still get another chance to fail before resorting to Martinez or calling up a guy like Beachy. We have a huge lead in the division, so we can throw a few games here and there.
#23 – huge lead?? its 1 game
@24, I guess my sarcasm didn’t translate well. 🙂
Losing the division would be a bummer, but just making the playoffs would be freaking awesome. I know that if before the season started you asked if I’d be picky about how we got in, I’d say “Hell no”.
Well, Kawakami realistically only has to make about 4 or 5 starts, so he won’t hurt us too bad. He won’t crap the bed every time, so if he can keep us in the game for most of the time, we have a chance to win his games. With Minor, Hanson, Jurrjens, and Hudson all pitching well, we should be able to keep winning at a .600 clip and win the division. Remember, it’s the last month. Unless the Phillies get blazing hot, us winning at our rate will win the division.
As for the playoffs, I’ll go to battle with Hudson, Jurrjens, and Hanson with Minor in relief in the division series. Minor’s probably your best fourth starter of the playoff teams, so if we get to the NLCS or World Series, we have an advantage as well. Who cares about your fifth starter?
i smell a Smoltz come back!
😉
DOOOOOOOMED as ever
But since 1995, Northwestern has 91 wins and seven bowls. Vanderbilt has 48 wins and one bowl appearance since then.
Good luck tonight Stu.
A Braves/Mets game from late September 2001 is on ESPN Classic right now. Skip is calling it. Though as I look on BR, Karsay blew it and the Mets won.
Oh, I see. It was the first post 9/11 game in New York.
I was at that game. Had amazing seats. Got to see Liza Minelli up close, line-stepping with the NYPD during “New York, New York,” which was pretty amusing.
I think I’m just going to leave this up as the game thread.
Florida looks terrible.
Thanks for the tip, braves14. It’s nice to hear Skip’s voice again. God, I miss him.
26 yards of total offense for Florida.
No wonder Urban wanted to retire.
29—I still don’t believe we’re going to win the game tonight, but that’s kind of a meaningless comparison. Northwestern doesn’t play Florida, Georgia, and Tennessee every year.
Florida has really tried to blow this game, but Miami just won’t let it.
Tebow! Come back, Tebow!
Demps finally broke one loose.
Gotta like what I’ve seen from UGA QB Aaron Murray today. He’s elusive & has (mostly) made good decisions. Hopefully, he can keep it up against league competition.
Braves lineup: 1. Infante 2B, 2. Heyward RF, 3. Prado 3B, 4. McCann C, 5. Lee 1B, 6. Cabrera LF, 7.Gonzalez SS, 8. Ankiel CF, 9. Jurrjens P
How much longer does Bobby put up with Lee before going back to Glaus or trying Freeman?
Tebow wasn’t going to put injured offensive line back on the line and the starting offensive lineman back in their positions. Tebow wasn’t going to make Deonte Thompson not drop a wide open pass in the end zone. Tebow wasn’t going to stop those stupid penalties. Unfortunately, we have more problems than a new quarterback. Boo.
Are you claiming that there are things Tebow couldn’t do? Blasphemy!
Haha.
I dont see the point of taking Lee out, the guy just had a 3 hit game the other night, besides he’s a pretty good defensive 1st baseman!
Things Tebow couldnt do: Win the starting Job in Denver.
45 — .200/.294/.289 is a good starting point. Yes, it’s in a small sample size, but in a pennant race how long can you wait?
the way this bunch has hit Johnson, Id start Freeman. Avg against Johnson according to our lineup
1. .200
2. .333
3. .190
4. .167
5. .226
6. .143
7. .000
8. .333
JJ had better be good tonight. Its also safe to say that Lee isnt McGriff, Id go back with Glaus
useless stat of the day…BMAC is the only current brave to have hit a HR off Johnson
Over/under on how many times Chip mentions “THE BATTLE OF THE JJS!!!!!!!!!!!”?
1. Because if he mentions it again I will drive to Atlanta and push him out of the fucking booth.
#36
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20100904/SPORTS0602/9040358/1036
Just saying that there’s hope that Vandy can achieve the level of mediocrity that NU has.
Hmm maybe we shouldn’t have traded Charlie Morton.
His ERA going into September is 10.03. The last major league starter to go into September with an ERA that high and at least 10 decisions:
Roy Halladay in 2000 with a 10.63 ERA.
52- Morton is pitching tomorrow… against Washington’s Jason Marquis (1-7, 8.13 ERA) in the Failed Atlanta Pitching Prospect Bowl.
#50 – Ill hold you to that
DOB’s latest, read bottom to top
And if the #Braves did that, they’d lose one of the two valuable roster-flexibility spots they have for postseason roster options 29 mins ago
But 40-man roster is full, and adding Beachy would force #Braves to move Chipper or Medlen from 15- to 60-day DL 30 mins ago
Lowe believes he’ll start Wednesday, #Braves’ Cox is hopeful. If not Lowe, Cristhian Martinez or minor leaguer Brancon Beach may be options
Ole Miss going to OT with Jax State.
LOL at Ole Miss.
TD JSU. Ole Miss down 41-34 and has to score a TD.
Edit: Ole Miss ties it. 2nd OT.
And Ole Miss gives up a 30-yard TD pass on 4th and 15. JSU now has to decide whether to go for the win.
Unbelievable. JSU throws what amounts to a Hail Mary on 4th and 15 from the 30 and gets a touchdown.
JSU goes for two and wins, 49-48.
JSU wins on a prayer 2 point conversion. Wow.
Anyone paying attention to the Braves is going to notice that we like to swing and miss at high fastballs.
Not always. Derrek Lee apparently swung at a second pitch that was a foot outside and almost bounced.
63 — I’m paying attention. That was terrible, though Josh Johnson is good.
Derrek Lee should just do the world a favor and kick the shit out of Doug Eddings. Sadly, that would be the first useful thing he’s done with the Braves.
Any particular reason why the game isn’t on xm tonight? If somebody could post a radio link I would greatly appreciate it.
Lee didn’t even try to catch that.
OMG MOR BAD DEFENCE
Prince Fielder just homered off Halladay. 1-0 Brewers in the 2nd.
I hate umpires.
Doug Eddings needs his ass kicked.
Yes, Doug Eddings is the guy who baited Estrada.
It was the right call, but he’s a horse’s ass about it.
I’m sure there’s a few more things the umpires can — and will — do to help the Marlins.
Around the time of the Estrada incident, Chipper remarked it was amazing how so many pitchers seemed to have career-high strikeout performances against the Braves when Eddings was behind the plate.
Alcides Escobar homers to make it 2-0 Brew crew.
In the category of least surprising news conceivable, Alabama is bullying on San Jose State.
Edit: And Julio shows why he’s known as Cement Hands.
Way to go, AAG!!!
Go New Guy!
AAG!!
Ankiel still sucks.
Well that was unfortunate.
Caught stealing home? Can someone explain that?
83 — Failed squeeze. Pitch was over Jurrjens head who had to try and bunt. Missed. AAG was a dead duck.
Howard just homered to cut the lead to 2-1.
And Werth goes back-to-back. Tied at 2.
I’m going over the play-by-play on ESPN and it looks like Chipper was thrown out of the game in the 1st? What could he have done to be thrown out from the bench?
86 — Yelling at Eddings for not appealing to first on a Lee checked swing.
87-Thanks.
wtf is hanley ramirez’s problem….thats not his ball. you could hear the LF calling for the ball on tv
Good for Joe on correcting Chip for blaming Morrison.
Hart just solo homered. 3-2 Brewers. 3 solo shots allowed by Halladay so far in the 3rd, he’s not fooling anyone.
McCann should be embarrassed for that AB.
Lee can’t hit a fastball.
Derrek Lee is a corpse.
Can we have a first baseman who can at least TRY not to suck? I realize results aren’t coming, but effort might be nice.
i don’t think chip listens sometimes. joe: “this next pitch will be #61 for johnson.” derrek lee swings and misses for strike 3. chip: “and pitch number 62 is a 96 mph fastball to retire the side.”
At least we’re making Johnson work.
65- Actual pitch count, according to GameDay: 58.
Utley just knocked in a run. 3-3
Thank god that ball held up. This umpire is a jackass.
Nice play.
Tell me he did not just call that first pitch to Melky a strike.
Eddings is clearly a Marlins fan with that strike call way off the plate on Ankiel.
Wow, Eddings is a complete ass. He fails to call a consistent strike zone, but worse than that, he creates confrontations with players.
Here’s a question: how many MLB umpires are actually good at their jobs? Could that group be counted on one hand?
But Eddings called that low pitch a strike. Only he knows where the strike zone is.
Our JJ!
Chip thinks 66 pitches in 4 innings is “efficient.”
Ankkkkkkiel.
sheesh another wasted out on the basepaths
Maybin just channeled his inner Andruw.
What the hell is Omar doing? Inexcusable.
Infante really needs to cool down his game…well, not the hitting part, but his defense and base-running.
Ankiel is a bad-ball hitter… but right now, I think it’s more accurate to call him a bad ball-hitter.
no it’s more accurate to say he suckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkks
What the hell was Infante doing?
best Ive seen Jurrjens this year, esp with the inconsistent zone
I think JJ is finding out Eddings is calling low strikes.
Excellent Omar.
That’s two runs lost to Infante’s brain fart.
Its about time to get Nate and Glaus back in the lineup
Lee is awful awful awful.
I miss Glaus.
Lee is the best.
0-3, 5 LOB. This guy wasn’t worth three prospects, or three cents for that matter.
how is derrek lee this bad in a braves uniform?
Terrible.
well that probably couldve scored BMAC if Lee had done his job
AAG again!
AAG!!!
Good thing Alex showed up tonight.
AAG!
hey someone is useful
Nicely done.
AAG is our offensive savior, and man, is that depressing.
i really dont like home plate umps saying a batter swung, ask for help
117 pitches for johnson, that has to be it for him, right?
Shocking that Ankiel didn’t make an out.
Phillies still tied at 3 going to the 7th.
I hate Logan Morrison. I just hate him.
corey hart makes it 4-3 milwaukee
Leo Mazzone would love this game by Jurrjens with all of the fastballs low and away.
I was concerned about JJ’s velocity in the beginning. Ending up he was saving his strength for the later innings.
I’m having some mental trouble with Derek Lee. How much longer can I say “He has to get better eventually” before I should be institutionalized? When was y’all’s turning point, or have you reached it yet?
This guy had a 7 ERA in AAA. We better hit him.
Or not.
Nothing like failing to score against a pathetic pitcher–especially after facing Josh Johnson….
Outstanding effort by Jurrjens tonight in a big game.
Phillies have loaded the bases with no outs.
Lee did something good!
say what??
Stupid GameDay. It says Derrek Lee put a ball “in play, no out.” That can’t be.
(Seriously, the Braves have drawn two phantom walks on GameDay tonight.)
On the other hand, perhaps he only does this when it won’t do any good.
The Brewers suck.
2 runs score for the Phillies on a sacrifice fly and an error. 5-4 Phillies.
Jorge Sosa’s still in the major leagues?
Roy Halladay has 117 pitches through 7, and is apparently starting the 8th.
Edit: Never mind, it’s Romero.
make him throw 140 Charlie
Eddings sucks.
my god, Eddings is awful
the pitch before hit Freeman, Eddings said it didnt. Then he rung him up on a pitch at his ankles
Stupid, stupid stupid. How do ump’s get away with this?
#153, to be honest it didn’t look like it caught Freeman and the next pitch dived after it crossed the plate.
Lidge time in Philadelphia. Bottom of the order due for the Brewers.
Forget the curveball Billy… give ’em the heater.
Billy!!
Phillies win.
Good pitching beats good hitting and bad umpires.
@155 – I didnt think it got him, but Freddie was pointing to a spot on his foot. The next pitch was definitely low
Phils won
Phillies win.
Recappage.
Wow, Padres have lost 9 in a row.