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Really, we all watched this in the seventies game thread: July 26, Braves at Brewers

Posted by Mac Thomason | Jul 26, 2009 | Game Threads 2010 | 132

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132 Comments

  1. Nick
    Nick on July 26, 2009 at 10:41 am

    I wasn’t alive in the 70s, so I accept blame for nothing.

  2. Parish
    Parish on July 26, 2009 at 10:43 am

    From the previous thread:

    I really think Heyward starts 2010 on the Atlanta roster, but I do not expect him to get a September callup.

    Regarding Andruw, I think the “rumors” are just speculation based on his precipitous dropoff in hitting ability at an early age. Made it seems like he both peaked and declined about 4-5 years ahead of time.

    Maybe, it was just Terry Pendleton.

  3. braves14
    braves14 on July 26, 2009 at 10:48 am

    Probably it was the wear and tear of playing nearly every game for a decade along with a lack of conditioning.

    Unless Heyward finishes at like .360 or higher with a lot of homers at AA, I really don’t want to see him start 2010 in Atlanta. We all saw Schafer this year. I’d rather him come up in June 2010 with just a couple more months of seasoning. Don’t want to rush him and screw him up.

  4. ububba
    ububba on July 26, 2009 at 11:02 am

    I loved “Happy Days” until all those ’50s characters started growing ’70s hair on the show. Pottsie with the blow-dried look just didn’t work for me. He should’ve stayed dweeby.

    That, of course, and the “Jump the Shark” episode. By then, they’d certainly run out of ideas.

    Off the Yankee Stadium (to see the legendary Sergio Mitre). Go Braves…

  5. kc
    kc on July 26, 2009 at 11:07 am

    The Braves will handle Heyward the same way they handled Hanson this year to avoid giving Heyward the super-2 status.

  6. Parish
    Parish on July 26, 2009 at 11:19 am

    3- What does Schafer have to do with Heyward? These are two different players with different skill sets. Look at the plate discipline throughout their minor league careers. Also, consider that Schafer was primarily a pitcher 3.5 years ago and served about a half a year suspension in the interim.

    I was in favor of starting Schafer in the minors this year. I feel differently about Heyward.

    5- I also see the Hanson and Heyward situations as quite different. We have a plethora of options in the starting pitching department. Suffice it to say that is not the same case in the outfield.

    I also think Heyward is more likely to get a contract buying out his arb years. Pitchers’ futures are less certain than position players’ because of injury. This makes avoiding the earlier year of arb less important.

  7. braves14
    braves14 on July 26, 2009 at 11:53 am

    At the end of this season, Parish, how many games will Heyward have played above A ball? 50? Do you really think it’s worth the risk over just 2 more months of seasoning?

  8. Alex Remington (Another Alex R.)
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) on July 26, 2009 at 12:13 pm

    Jason Heyward is the Riaan Spanjer-Furstenburg of the Southern League.

    Fun fact: Heyward is actually younger.

  9. sdp
    sdp on July 26, 2009 at 12:16 pm

    Nate McLouth, CF
    Martin Prado, 3B
    Yunel Escobar, SS
    Brian McCann, C
    Garret Anderson, LF
    Matt Diaz, LF
    Casey Kotchman, 1B
    Kelly Johnson, 2B
    Derek Lowe, RHP

  10. Parish
    Parish on July 26, 2009 at 12:21 pm

    7- Seriously, how much do you think the risk goes down in 2 months?

    I will repeat that Heyward’s skills are much more advanced than were Schafer’s. Even Andruw’s, in my opinion. The guy may be ready right now.

    I suppose if decent options are available his debut could be delayed. That should not include a longer term contract or trading decent prospects for a rental.

    Do you think we should extend Garrett Anderson for the purpose of getting Heyward 2 more months in the minors?

  11. braves14
    braves14 on July 26, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    Seriously, how much do you think the risk goes down in 2 months?

    I think it could be very valuable. Actually, I would prefer to leave him in the upper minors for an entire season, but we don’t really have that luxury.

    Do you think we should extend Garrett Anderson for the purpose of getting Heyward 2 more months in the minors?

    Schafer will probably need more time at AAA too next year since he hasn’t played much there this year. So, we’d have a platoon in one corner and a hole in the other to begin the season, until Schafer’s ready to move McLouth over from center. I would be open to signing Anderson for another year if there aren’t any better cheap options.

  12. Weldon
    Weldon on July 26, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    I don’t think Schafer is a valid comparison, considering he was injured the whole time he was up with Atlanta.

  13. braves14
    braves14 on July 26, 2009 at 12:37 pm

    My point lies not primarily with the Schafer comparison, but that in general it isn’t a good idea to have guys in the majors after inadequate experience in the upper minors.

  14. Parish
    Parish on July 26, 2009 at 12:59 pm

    I don’t think the words “in general” apply to Jason Heyward.

  15. Tony
    Tony on July 26, 2009 at 1:04 pm

    David O’Brien is the President of the Baseball Writer’s Association. He’s sitting on stage in Cooperstown, impressive. So who covering the Braves?

  16. PWHjort
    PWHjort on July 26, 2009 at 1:06 pm

    15,
    His pinch-writer, Carrol Rogers.

  17. Tony
    Tony on July 26, 2009 at 1:10 pm

    Need to show more patience Martin.

  18. braves14
    braves14 on July 26, 2009 at 1:16 pm

    I had a feeling KJ would get some ABs today.

    While the Braves aren’t publicly revealing a specific plan for Heyward, there’s a belief that he’ll complete this season with Mississippi and then spend the first half of the 2010 season with Triple-A Gwinnett. If he continues on his current path, by this time next year, there’s a good chance he’ll find himself playing in the Atlanta outfield.

    http://tinyurl.com/m2jyz7

  19. ryan c
    ryan c on July 26, 2009 at 1:18 pm

    looper picked off escobar, but i didnt see him step off the mound.

  20. Mac Thomason
    Mac Thomason on July 26, 2009 at 1:18 pm

    I think Yunel has a point on that one. Looper did not really fake towards third like he’s supposed to — he looked more like he was going home.

  21. Nathan
    Nathan on July 26, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    Well, it looks like it cost us a run, in any case. Hopefully we can continue to make Looper work so that it does not matter.

  22. Ron E.
    Ron E. on July 26, 2009 at 1:23 pm

    Yeah that was clearly an attempt to deceive the baserunner, the textbook definition of a balk, but of course baseball allows umpires to make up their own definitions so it wasn’t called.

  23. Alex Remington (Another Alex R.)
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) on July 26, 2009 at 1:25 pm

    Yet more evidence that the balk rule is completely absurd, of course, but Yunel needs to find a way to stop making outs on the basepaths.

  24. Tony
    Tony on July 26, 2009 at 1:27 pm

    Back to the play, I think Bobby had Yunel running to stay out of the double play. I guess.

  25. ryan c
    ryan c on July 26, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    smoltz getting roped again. man, something’s just not right.

  26. Mac Thomason
    Mac Thomason on July 26, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    Prince really needs to eat some meat.

  27. Tom
    Tom on July 26, 2009 at 1:30 pm

    Is there something wrong with Chipper? Why is he out of the lineup?

  28. Mac Thomason
    Mac Thomason on July 26, 2009 at 1:30 pm

    Just a routine day off.

  29. Nathan
    Nathan on July 26, 2009 at 1:32 pm

    Gameday has this ump as having a super-funky strike zone. There have been a couple obviously-outside strikes, and had the first two balls to Diaz as being on the corners, and there have been several of those kinds of calls.

  30. Tony
    Tony on July 26, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    Ump has been pretty good.

    @25 It’s really sad seeing Smoltz getting lit up everytime out.

    KJ back up to his old tricks…

  31. Sam Hutcheson
    Sam Hutcheson on July 26, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    Chipper rests on Sunday day games regularly. Ryan Church is out with hyper extended elbow. KJ is in because Looper gets hit hard by lefties.

  32. PWHjort
    PWHjort on July 26, 2009 at 1:44 pm

    The song, “More Beautiful You”? This segment has gotten absurd.

  33. Sam Hutcheson
    Sam Hutcheson on July 26, 2009 at 1:45 pm

    It’s Ryan Church.

  34. PWHjort
    PWHjort on July 26, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    You sure it’s not Jeff Porter?

  35. jj3bagger
    jj3bagger on July 26, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    32- Pretty sure it’s Matt Diaz’s brother Jonny. I believe there was an article in the AJC a couple days ago. It’s up to #1 on the Christian charts these days.

  36. Alex Remington (Another Alex R.)
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) on July 26, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    You know, a looper.

  37. Sam Hutcheson
    Sam Hutcheson on July 26, 2009 at 1:53 pm

    I was wrong. Got deked.

  38. PWHjort
    PWHjort on July 26, 2009 at 1:58 pm

    37,
    Who was it?

  39. Mac Thomason
    Mac Thomason on July 26, 2009 at 1:59 pm

    Has anyone called Prince Fielder “Tofu Panda” yet?

  40. Sam Hutcheson
    Sam Hutcheson on July 26, 2009 at 2:00 pm

    It was Matt Diaz. It’s his brother’s song. I heard “Christian rock” and just assumed it was Church.

  41. Tony
    Tony on July 26, 2009 at 2:00 pm

    Fat man just missed that one…

  42. Sam Hutcheson
    Sam Hutcheson on July 26, 2009 at 2:02 pm

    Sandoval isn’t called Kung Fu Panda because of his body shape, specifically. It was because of a play at the plate.

  43. Mac Thomason
    Mac Thomason on July 26, 2009 at 2:03 pm

    I know, but it’s really an easy extension.

  44. Sam Hutcheson
    Sam Hutcheson on July 26, 2009 at 2:05 pm

    Fair enough.

  45. FANcoeur
    FANcoeur on July 26, 2009 at 2:09 pm

    Church hurt, Francoeur homers again with rival Mets.

    Fire Frank Wren.

  46. Mac Thomason
    Mac Thomason on July 26, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    I think I need to keep track of plays that Yunel makes that Diory wouldn’t have. There’s one.

    ADDED: Please don’t feed the Francosaur.

  47. njbravesfan
    njbravesfan on July 26, 2009 at 2:13 pm

    45 settle, it will all come crashing down….

  48. Nathan
    Nathan on July 26, 2009 at 2:16 pm

    Lowe’s on course to pitch another 7 or 8 innings. This rotation is really really nice after the wrecks we’ve sent out there the last couple years.

  49. Tony
    Tony on July 26, 2009 at 2:20 pm

    Go Francouer….

    Just terrible at-bats by Matt and Diaz with RISP

    EDIT: And Prado

  50. PWHjort
    PWHjort on July 26, 2009 at 2:23 pm

    48,
    To think that in 2007 we thought we could win with a rotation of Hudson, Smoltz, Chuck James, Buddy Carlyle, and Kyle Davies. With the all but incredible rotation depth of Jeff Bennett, Jo-Jo (and he was certainly all-Jo-Jo in 2007) Reyes, Mark Redmond, Lance Cormier, and Anthony Lerew.

  51. barrycuda
    barrycuda on July 26, 2009 at 2:24 pm

    #30…………..just think how sad it would be if he was wearing a braves uni.

  52. Tony
    Tony on July 26, 2009 at 2:26 pm

    @51 Exactly.

  53. mikemc
    mikemc on July 26, 2009 at 2:26 pm

    Chipper’s absence really weakens this lineup. Opposing pitchers must appreciate it.

  54. njbravesfan
    njbravesfan on July 26, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    Man,Mark Redmond, was thinking of him the other day, he was atrocious! I actually felt bad for him.

  55. Nathan
    Nathan on July 26, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    Wow…the other team screwed up the bunt for once.

    To set up the double play…nice.

  56. FANcoeur
    FANcoeur on July 26, 2009 at 2:29 pm

    Why is a foul-tip into the catcher’s glove always an out?

    If it’s just barely popped up it is an out, seems it should be a foul-out too.

  57. FANcoeur
    FANcoeur on July 26, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    @56: Why isn’t I mean.

    Redman sucked.

  58. Tony
    Tony on July 26, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    Escobar and Prado could use the day off tomorrow. What is it now…11 games straight since the All-Star break?

  59. PWHjort
    PWHjort on July 26, 2009 at 2:34 pm

    56,
    Because the groundhog says so.

  60. Tony
    Tony on July 26, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    Please go to rightfield Matt.

    EDIT: Thanks.

  61. Sam Hutcheson
    Sam Hutcheson on July 26, 2009 at 2:37 pm

    @57

    Because writing the rule that way would make outs far to easy to come by. Any foul tip being recorded as an out would lead to routine extra inning 1-0 games.

  62. Mac Thomason
    Mac Thomason on July 26, 2009 at 2:38 pm

    A Kotchbomb.

  63. Tony
    Tony on July 26, 2009 at 2:39 pm

    SHOCK!!!

  64. Nathan
    Nathan on July 26, 2009 at 2:39 pm

    Wooo, Kotch!

    I’m glad to see we broke it open after not getting the run in from third twice.

  65. Tomas
    Tomas on July 26, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    Kotchmaniarocketbomb!

  66. PWHjort
    PWHjort on July 26, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    Kotchman has 5 HR this year. Only 1 Barely Enough. 2 No Doubters. And 2 Plentys. (Using the language of hittrackeronline.com)

  67. sdp
    sdp on July 26, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    Hell freezes over.

  68. Mac Thomason
    Mac Thomason on July 26, 2009 at 2:54 pm

    Uh, bullpen?

  69. Hanan
    Hanan on July 26, 2009 at 2:58 pm

    mmm-k…I think Lowe’s done. When Jason Kendall, who reminds me of a small town motel clerk, takes you deep, you need to go.

  70. Tony
    Tony on July 26, 2009 at 2:59 pm

    Boy that sinker was just sitting up there the whole inning for Lowe…he was lucky McClouth was playing center…

  71. Marc
    Marc on July 26, 2009 at 3:00 pm

    Whew, I thought that was finding a gap. Good job Nate.

  72. Mike N.
    Mike N. on July 26, 2009 at 3:04 pm

    BMAC

  73. csg
    csg on July 26, 2009 at 3:04 pm

    Wow, Mac hits a HR but just foul, then takes a pitch, then crushes one

  74. mraver
    mraver on July 26, 2009 at 3:06 pm

    I love it when Mac breaks out of a “slump”. 🙂

  75. csg
    csg on July 26, 2009 at 3:11 pm

    88 mph fastballs from Gonzo, nevermind next one was 92

  76. Tony
    Tony on July 26, 2009 at 3:13 pm

    Now if Mac could only figure out lefthanders….

  77. Sam Hutcheson
    Sam Hutcheson on July 26, 2009 at 3:18 pm

    Where are the Cox bashers? One of our expensive relievers pitched in a game, so I’m sure someone is pissed off about the mis-use and abuse.

  78. Hanan
    Hanan on July 26, 2009 at 3:20 pm

    Norton timeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

  79. csg
    csg on July 26, 2009 at 3:20 pm

    KJ getting that trade value up, I like it

  80. csg
    csg on July 26, 2009 at 3:21 pm

    #77 – you think Gonzo shouldve been used there? I dont, I just didnt say anything about it

  81. ryan c
    ryan c on July 26, 2009 at 3:22 pm

    norton is just not catching up to fastballs and looks dumb on all other pitches.

  82. csg
    csg on July 26, 2009 at 3:22 pm

    Conrad/Barbaro >>> Norton

  83. Jon K
    Jon K on July 26, 2009 at 3:22 pm

    Are you implying your a Cox lover Sam Hutcheson?

  84. Mac Thomason
    Mac Thomason on July 26, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    You have a chance to blow the game open, you have Chipper Jones on the bench, and you send up… Greg Norton. Who not only isn’t hitting his weight, he isn’t hitting his systolic blood pressure, and is rapidly approaching his diastolic.

  85. Sam Hutcheson
    Sam Hutcheson on July 26, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    I have nothing but respect for Bobby Cox. I certainly approve of testing out Gonzalez’ stuff after the liner off his arm in a less than zero-tolerance atmosphere.

  86. ryan c
    ryan c on July 26, 2009 at 3:25 pm

    sam, every time you provoke this argument, i will just simply post the proof of abuse. maybe you’ll see it enough to come around, although i dont mind gonzo pitching today.

    http://tinyurl.com/l58qpg

  87. Sam Hutcheson
    Sam Hutcheson on July 26, 2009 at 3:25 pm

    You don’t use Chipper there. You hold that bullet in case the Brewers come back and you need a big hitter/HR in the ninth.

  88. Sam Hutcheson
    Sam Hutcheson on July 26, 2009 at 3:26 pm

    That right there is why the Brewers haven’t had a Gold Glover since 1982.

  89. Hanan
    Hanan on July 26, 2009 at 3:26 pm

    A reverse Prado? an inverse Prado? bizarro Prado?

  90. anonymous lurker
    anonymous lurker on July 26, 2009 at 3:26 pm

    Save your best hitter in case we blow a 4-run lead? Dumb.

  91. Sam Hutcheson
    Sam Hutcheson on July 26, 2009 at 3:27 pm

    Ryan, I don’t consider usage charts to be proof of poor management decisions. When you only have three and a half reliable relievers and you’re in a lot of close games, those guys will get used a lot.

  92. csg
    csg on July 26, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    they wouldve walked Chipper with 1B open anyways, but Im always in favor of using anyone over Norton

  93. ryan c
    ryan c on July 26, 2009 at 3:30 pm

    what about when the games are not close games?

  94. Sam Hutcheson
    Sam Hutcheson on July 26, 2009 at 3:31 pm

    I’d rather take the flier on Norton getting lucky and give Chipper the full day’s rest, at least with a decent size lead.

  95. jj3bagger
    jj3bagger on July 26, 2009 at 3:31 pm

    It’s anti-hibernation mode, I can get used to this.

  96. Sam Hutcheson
    Sam Hutcheson on July 26, 2009 at 3:33 pm

    Considering the Braves other options – Jeff Bennett, Manny Acosta, etc – I don’t consider 4 runs a “big lead.” I know that’s unpopular around here but for this team, this year anything less than a 5 run lead is something you need to get at least your set-up men into. And I’m a proponent of the “if he’s warmed up use him” theory of management as well.

  97. mraver
    mraver on July 26, 2009 at 3:33 pm

    TPJ to be converted to a pitcher:

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/11988417/rss

  98. Tom
    Tom on July 26, 2009 at 3:33 pm

    SAFE at first!!

  99. Jon K
    Jon K on July 26, 2009 at 3:33 pm

    hopefully we’ll see medlen in the 9th

  100. csg
    csg on July 26, 2009 at 3:34 pm

    Hey Petey pitching for the 55TH time today, I believe we have a 6 run lead in the 8th. How about Logan, Acosta, or Medlen for the next two innings???

  101. Mac Thomason
    Mac Thomason on July 26, 2009 at 3:37 pm

    Sam, you’re not making any sense. The lead is small enough to use the top relievers, but too big to use your best pinch-hitting possibility? I don’t think swinging the bat a few times will hurt Chipper. I have a feeling that he took batting practice today.

    No Soriano in the ninth, please.

  102. Sam Hutcheson
    Sam Hutcheson on July 26, 2009 at 3:38 pm

    How long’s it been since Sori pitched?

  103. Mac Thomason
    Mac Thomason on July 26, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    He pitched Friday. With a big lead.

  104. Sam Hutcheson
    Sam Hutcheson on July 26, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    I hate to agree with Simpson but dammit, bend that freakin’ cap bill son.

  105. anonymous lurker
    anonymous lurker on July 26, 2009 at 3:40 pm

    Soriano for the 9th!

  106. Sam Hutcheson
    Sam Hutcheson on July 26, 2009 at 3:40 pm

    Then I agree, don’t use him today.

  107. Ethan
    Ethan on July 26, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    First game of series

  108. ugalaw
    ugalaw on July 26, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    These guys with the straight cap bills are going to look back 20 years from now and want to go back in time and punch themselves in the face.

  109. Jon K
    Jon K on July 26, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    day off tomorrow… u know that Cox is going to pitch soriano. God I hope he doesn’t

  110. csg
    csg on July 26, 2009 at 3:45 pm

    KJ = TRADE VALUE

  111. spike (back in the ATL)
    spike (back in the ATL) on July 26, 2009 at 3:45 pm

    Wow. That’s a pretty good game KJ.

  112. lunatic96
    lunatic96 on July 26, 2009 at 3:45 pm

    KJ CRUSHED that homer.

  113. Mac Thomason
    Mac Thomason on July 26, 2009 at 3:45 pm

    Jeepers. Prado’s going to get replaced if he doesn’t look out.

    And now Chipper hits… No, pulled back. Still…

  114. ugalaw
    ugalaw on July 26, 2009 at 3:46 pm

    Kelly Johnson has done more in one afternoon than he did in the entire month of June.

  115. Tony
    Tony on July 26, 2009 at 3:46 pm

    Can Kelly play right?

    No he can’t, forgot.

  116. mraver
    mraver on July 26, 2009 at 3:47 pm

    So I guess Kelly remembered how to hit.

  117. Ethan
    Ethan on July 26, 2009 at 3:47 pm

    Welcome back KJ

  118. Sam Hutcheson
    Sam Hutcheson on July 26, 2009 at 3:48 pm

    Kelly can play LF and Anderson has a notable reverse split. Won’t happen but it’s nice to see the good KJ back for at least one game.

  119. Tom
    Tom on July 26, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    Boys, don’t get overexcited. It’s just one game. Remember Schaefer’s first game?

  120. csg
    csg on July 26, 2009 at 3:51 pm

    GA is hitting .310 in the last month with 4 Hr’s, Id say he’s fine. We might be seeing Prado spell at 1st and 3rd a little more though. KJ could get moved for a reliever since all of the guys arms are falling off

  121. Tony
    Tony on July 26, 2009 at 3:51 pm

    Tom is right. Sorry.

    Garrett is fine. Church I think is batting like .214 since the trade, hope he can pick it up.

  122. Sam Hutcheson
    Sam Hutcheson on July 26, 2009 at 3:51 pm

    Kelly Johnson has a little more history as a good ML player than Jordan Schafer.

  123. jj3bagger
    jj3bagger on July 26, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    McLouth-Prado top of the order go 0-7, no Chipper in the lineup and 10 runs on the board, color me surprised.

  124. csg
    csg on July 26, 2009 at 3:53 pm

    Tom, Ill choose to remember the player who posted an 800+ OPS the last two seasons compared to a rookie. KJ can hit and he’s shown it

  125. Mark B.
    Mark B. on July 26, 2009 at 3:54 pm

    Yunel=Gold Glove?

  126. hankonly
    hankonly on July 26, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    Mac,

    You know it’s been a tough year when your analogies are all about medicine – as opposed to sex, food, cars, etc.

    Hang in there, dude.

  127. Tom
    Tom on July 26, 2009 at 3:56 pm

    Kelly also has a little more history of monthlong sucking than Jordan Schaefer.

    Anyway, well done Kelly. Hope you can keep it up.

  128. Tony
    Tony on July 26, 2009 at 3:56 pm

    That’s the one thing that good KJ provides…Xtra base hits.

  129. csg
    csg on July 26, 2009 at 3:57 pm

    mlbtr says the Dodgers are in serious discussions about receiving Martinez and Lee in exchange for Loney, Kershaw/Billingsley, + prospects

  130. hankonly
    hankonly on July 26, 2009 at 4:01 pm

    Kelly may be streaky in the extreme, but with Prado (and Infante), no reason not to ride the hot streak.

    Prado also makes the occasional Kelly-in-LF option viable.

  131. Ethan
    Ethan on July 26, 2009 at 4:02 pm

    That would be stupid on the Dodgers part

  132. Mac Thomason
    Mac Thomason on July 26, 2009 at 4:05 pm

    Recapped.

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