Medlen vs. Lindsay-cum tomorrow. Should be interesting.
cliff
on May 25, 2009 at 12:13 pm
continuing from the previous thread.
The Braves did not have 10 a year for two year to commit to Dunn. Plus they were (justifiably) concerned about his fielding numbers.
However, as to why to commit to Ganderson, that is a lot harder. The team he was with and who had thought of him as one of theirs, didn’t bring him back but DID bring back a guy that could have been a fit at a good price (Juan Rivera, 5.75 maybe a 1 year deal) and Bobby Abreu 6 guaranteed, possible to 8, one year deal.
So if the ANGELS didn’t think they wanted Garrett, why did the Braves?
We also missed on Gabe Gross and Gabe Kapler, either of whom would have been better at a cheap price. And, we apparently didn’t go after Edmonds.
Adam M
on May 25, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Obviously, the Braves didn’t have the money, otherwise they would have attempted to sign Dunn. At least, I hope. But they did spend money elsewhere that could have gone towards an outfielder–at least for an Abreu if not for a Dunn.
Stephen in the UAE
on May 25, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Money was probably the deciding factor, but didn’t the Braves also have some concerns about Dunn’s defense motivation?
RobBroad4th
on May 25, 2009 at 12:29 pm
I thought someone had said Dunn could have been had for $5 million after asking for something in the ballpark of $15 million. Obviously the Nats paid more than that, but I’m surprised the Braves didn’t offer….at least not publicly.
Joshua
on May 25, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Abreu wouldn’t even give this team what it needs. He would be leaps and bounds better than any outfielder we’ve got, but he wouldn’t be able to get us to the post season. We need some legitimate power, and Abreu doesn’t have it anymore. I was advocating against Dunn most offseason, but I sure would love to have him right about now.
cliff
on May 25, 2009 at 12:36 pm
So far, the Braves confidence in
Ganderson’s fielding has been misplaced. I am sure that they thought (the publicly available scouting / reporting systems concurred) that Ganderson was about neutral fielding for left field and that Dunn was minus 30 runs. Dunn is still minus 30, but Ganderson looks minus 20.
IF Ganderson was average in left and hit 20/40/60 (ISO) extra, then he might have been a decent cheap pick up. However, there were others out there that could have been had without commiting 20 million over 2 years.
oldtimer?
on May 25, 2009 at 1:18 pm
How much are we paying G.Anserson?
Timo
on May 25, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Not sure if you guys enjoy Dave Matthews.
Here’s a link to listen to the new album on the web: http://www.pandora.com/davematthewsband
I love it! Go Braves.
cliff
on May 25, 2009 at 1:50 pm
oldtimer @8,
2.5 million. Plus 3.4 or so for Francoeur. Together, they are contributing like Blanco or Josh Anderson at the plate and aren’t that good in the field and Blanco or Anderson would have been $400,000 or so.
oldtimer?
on May 25, 2009 at 1:56 pm
I liked josh Anderson, could have used him in a platoon, lead off, pinch hit and runner.
sdp
on May 25, 2009 at 2:07 pm
Bobby’s at it again–he must have been really bored on the charter last night.
K. Johnson 2b
M. Prado 3b
M. Diaz lf
B. McCann c
J. Francoeur rf
C. Kotchman 1b
D. Hernandez ss
J. Schafer cf
J. Vazquez p
What an insult to Casey.
David
on May 25, 2009 at 2:20 pm
must be facing a lefty
RobBroad4th
on May 25, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Frenchy is turning it around!! Just in time for the All Star Game!
Why are the Braves so freaking impatient at the plate? This guy went to a 3-1 count on the pitcher, then kelly comes out and swings at the first two pitches, like just about everyone else in the lineup has.
Weldon
on May 25, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Here’s a quote from DOB today: “I think if (the Braves) do make a move, it’ll come well before trade deadline this time around.”
Well, then. I’m still going to keep my head in the sand about this, but someone is telling him and Peanut that the Braves are rather serious.
Our New Insect Overlords
on May 25, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Francoeur’s doing his best to sabotage his trade value.
RobBroad4th
on May 25, 2009 at 3:58 pm
Javy should bat fifth.
Ethan
on May 25, 2009 at 4:05 pm
Bengie Molina is one fat dude.
Blows my mind that his knees have been able to take the pressure of playing catcher daily.
Under. I’m guessing three 1-0 games, all of them extra innings.
oldtimer?
on May 25, 2009 at 4:14 pm
Schafer is embarrassing at the plate.
NickC
on May 25, 2009 at 4:16 pm
#18, Carpenter must be one of the few guys for who you can toss out a stat like, “Cardinals right-hander Chris Carpenter has gone 4-1 with a 3.16 ERA in his first games off of the disabled list during his career”, and it not seem pointless, as BP did today.
Jeremy
on May 25, 2009 at 4:23 pm
Another terrible throw from McCann.
Jeremy
on May 25, 2009 at 4:24 pm
This is brutal.
John Gaines
on May 25, 2009 at 4:24 pm
I like how the sports south guys are talking about SF’s offensive woes like our offense is so much better off.
Ethan
on May 25, 2009 at 4:25 pm
What’s wrong with Bobby? Uribe fell over the plate. Two years ago Bobby would’ve already been kicked out.
RE McCann @33: I agree. You just hope on most days he won’t be a liability. Unfortunately, today hasn’t been one of them.
Tom
on May 25, 2009 at 4:27 pm
Ballgame.
Timo
on May 25, 2009 at 4:27 pm
You gotta be kiddin me!
Ethan
on May 25, 2009 at 4:27 pm
Only we could make Jonathan Sanchez look like an all star.
Seriously, be patient. He WILL walk you.
Damnit. Take the out.
Dan
on May 25, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Take. The. Out.
Tom
on May 25, 2009 at 4:29 pm
I don’t think we will score a run with this lineup in the SERIES.
Timo
on May 25, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Stick a fork in Javier.
braves14
on May 25, 2009 at 4:38 pm
How do the Giants ever score a run with that Triple A lineup they regularly send out? Gosh, that’s awful.
krugerindustrialsmoothing
on May 25, 2009 at 4:45 pm
Good job by Javier to finish off the inning, but why leave him in there in the first place? he was the last out in the top of the inning.
btw, Mac, I’m in the office today too. Though in Canada we had a long weekend last we so I guess nevermind.
braves14
on May 25, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Finally, some patience.
Phillip
on May 25, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Why pull Sanchez? Jeffy’s got a doubleplay all ready for them.
ryan c
on May 25, 2009 at 4:50 pm
if bobby was smart, he would let mike gonzalez hit for frenchy. he’ll only strike out.
Weldon
on May 25, 2009 at 4:51 pm
Because Frenchy is decent against lefties and the worst hitter in the world against RHP. That’d be my guess.
Vazquez pitched well, but the other team will score some runs when you commit two Prados in one game.
Our New Insect Overlords
on May 25, 2009 at 4:51 pm
@28:
Now I really wish Vazquez was batting fifth.
RobBroad4th
on May 25, 2009 at 4:52 pm
Frenchy sucks.
Jeremy
on May 25, 2009 at 4:52 pm
Only one out made. Nice job, Jeffy.
ryan c
on May 25, 2009 at 4:52 pm
Get his pathetic ass out of a major league uniform.
braves14
on May 25, 2009 at 4:52 pm
Good, he only made 1 out.
Nathan
on May 25, 2009 at 4:53 pm
McCann may have had a rough defensive day, but he’s the offensive star so far.
Our New Insect Overlords
on May 25, 2009 at 4:54 pm
At-bats like this are Francoeur’s retroactive petulance for being sent to AA last year … as though he’s saying, “You want to trade me? You’ll get as little as possible for making me spend a weekend in Mississippi. That’ll show you!”
braves14
on May 25, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Let’s see what you’ve got, Diory. Not much? Okay, Schafer, up to you.
Jeremy
on May 25, 2009 at 4:58 pm
Well that was predictable.
Ethan
on May 25, 2009 at 4:59 pm
That was predictable. Bases loaded one out and don’t get anything. Ugh.
ryan c
on May 25, 2009 at 4:59 pm
wow….they tried to give us the lead, but francoeur and schafer said, “no thanks”.
Volume
on May 25, 2009 at 5:00 pm
man oh man he swung at some awful pitches
NickC
on May 25, 2009 at 5:00 pm
It’s just a black hole in that part of the order.
braves14
on May 25, 2009 at 5:02 pm
What is it about Bobby leaving in Vazquez too long?
Dan
on May 25, 2009 at 5:03 pm
Is Anderson/Schafer/Francoeur a good outfield by even deadball era standards?
Joshua
on May 25, 2009 at 5:05 pm
@63 – I like how you left Hernandez out of that. At least Schafer had to get a base hit – all Hernandez had to do was hit it to the outfield. Rediculous.
oldtimer?
on May 25, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Diory is a AAA replacement, he is like 4th stringer on this team but had to start.
All he has to do is catch the ball.
braves14
on May 25, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Again, why does Bobby keep leaving in Vazquez after he’s out of steam? This is irritating.
oldtimer?
on May 25, 2009 at 5:14 pm
Oh well, there goes the winning streak.
Jeremy
on May 25, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Bad start by Vaz. Really no excuse giving up 5 runs to that lineup.
drew
on May 25, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Has Bobby forgotten how to double switch? Chasing a game like this there’s every reason to bump Diaz into center and bring in Garret to bat in that 9 spot, and not have to burn Bennett that quickly.
Joshua
on May 25, 2009 at 5:17 pm
@70 – same could be said for Schafer.
oldtimer?
on May 25, 2009 at 5:21 pm
I have complained about Schafer since he made the roster. He never should have been brought to the big club with so little professional experience.
csg
on May 25, 2009 at 5:23 pm
the called 2nd strike on Kelly was easily a foot off the plate, like it matters anyways
RobBroad4th
on May 25, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Terrible hustle. We should have beaten out those weak hits. Terrible.
Mike N.
on May 25, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Does anyone know the number of times Schafer has had a hat trick this year? And I’m pretty sure hes had at least a couple Golden Sombreros.
McCann is really good. What is he doing on this team?
JoeCraigMcMurtry
on May 25, 2009 at 5:46 pm
There is no reason Gorkys shouldn’t be starting over Schafer. None. Gorkys’ .331/.385/.407 line is pretty hollow, and his 42ks are frightening, but he could certainly do a hell of a lot better than Jordan’s .207/.331/.310 and he plays better defense to boot. The argument that we shouldn’t stunt his development is bogus because that reasoning as easily (indeed better) applies to Schafer who has never put up numbers like Gorkys even at AA. Unless the front office simply considers Schafer expendable, whereas Gorkys has real potential, which is entirely possible.
Come on, Jeff, pull this right at the third baseman. You know you want to hit into a triple play.
ryan c
on May 25, 2009 at 5:49 pm
juff sex!
JoeCraigMcMurtry
on May 25, 2009 at 5:50 pm
Superfly, we need an update on all of Francoeur’s runs produced…
RobBroad4th
on May 25, 2009 at 5:50 pm
Francouer is the worst .
drew
on May 25, 2009 at 5:54 pm
Oh god for some reason I thought that was the top of the ninth, and now I’m disappointed that the game isn’t over and I will be compelled to listen to another inning.
Over .500 or no, this team remains strangely disheartening.
Joshua
on May 25, 2009 at 5:56 pm
Think Bobby is bad? Carmona just walked 4 straight to start the 2nd, then got an out, then allowed 3 straight singles, then walked another – and he is still in the dang game.
braves14
on May 25, 2009 at 5:59 pm
I have a feeling Carlyle will be demoted after the game.
braves14
on May 25, 2009 at 6:05 pm
This is like the team didn’t get any sleep on the flight last night.
Schafer’s stuck out 4 times in 4 ABs today.
Mike N.
on May 25, 2009 at 6:05 pm
The Golden Sombrero!
braves14
on May 25, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Our chances to win tomorrow look quite slim with the pitching matchup.
JoeCraigMcMurtry
on May 25, 2009 at 6:10 pm
Frank Wren is a frigging moron. What is he doing with Schafer? Seriously. Is there any way this can be good for anybody involved? WTF?
Medlen vs. Lindsay-cum tomorrow. Should be interesting.
continuing from the previous thread.
The Braves did not have 10 a year for two year to commit to Dunn. Plus they were (justifiably) concerned about his fielding numbers.
However, as to why to commit to Ganderson, that is a lot harder. The team he was with and who had thought of him as one of theirs, didn’t bring him back but DID bring back a guy that could have been a fit at a good price (Juan Rivera, 5.75 maybe a 1 year deal) and Bobby Abreu 6 guaranteed, possible to 8, one year deal.
So if the ANGELS didn’t think they wanted Garrett, why did the Braves?
We also missed on Gabe Gross and Gabe Kapler, either of whom would have been better at a cheap price. And, we apparently didn’t go after Edmonds.
Obviously, the Braves didn’t have the money, otherwise they would have attempted to sign Dunn. At least, I hope. But they did spend money elsewhere that could have gone towards an outfielder–at least for an Abreu if not for a Dunn.
Money was probably the deciding factor, but didn’t the Braves also have some concerns about Dunn’s defense motivation?
I thought someone had said Dunn could have been had for $5 million after asking for something in the ballpark of $15 million. Obviously the Nats paid more than that, but I’m surprised the Braves didn’t offer….at least not publicly.
Abreu wouldn’t even give this team what it needs. He would be leaps and bounds better than any outfielder we’ve got, but he wouldn’t be able to get us to the post season. We need some legitimate power, and Abreu doesn’t have it anymore. I was advocating against Dunn most offseason, but I sure would love to have him right about now.
So far, the Braves confidence in
Ganderson’s fielding has been misplaced. I am sure that they thought (the publicly available scouting / reporting systems concurred) that Ganderson was about neutral fielding for left field and that Dunn was minus 30 runs. Dunn is still minus 30, but Ganderson looks minus 20.
IF Ganderson was average in left and hit 20/40/60 (ISO) extra, then he might have been a decent cheap pick up. However, there were others out there that could have been had without commiting 20 million over 2 years.
How much are we paying G.Anserson?
Not sure if you guys enjoy Dave Matthews.
Here’s a link to listen to the new album on the web:
http://www.pandora.com/davematthewsband
I love it! Go Braves.
oldtimer @8,
2.5 million. Plus 3.4 or so for Francoeur. Together, they are contributing like Blanco or Josh Anderson at the plate and aren’t that good in the field and Blanco or Anderson would have been $400,000 or so.
I liked josh Anderson, could have used him in a platoon, lead off, pinch hit and runner.
Bobby’s at it again–he must have been really bored on the charter last night.
K. Johnson 2b
M. Prado 3b
M. Diaz lf
B. McCann c
J. Francoeur rf
C. Kotchman 1b
D. Hernandez ss
J. Schafer cf
J. Vazquez p
What an insult to Casey.
must be facing a lefty
Frenchy is turning it around!! Just in time for the All Star Game!
Names of actual men’s tennis players at the French Open this year:
Teimuraz Gabashvili
Fabio Fognini
Potito Starace
Janko Tipsarevic
Sergiy Stakhovsky
Lukasz Kubot
Jo-Wilfried Tsonga
Daniel Gimeno-Traver
Philipp Kohlschreiber
Maximo Gonzalez
Jurgen Melzer
Sergio Roitman
Diego Junquiera
Ilia Bozoljac
Bjorn Phau
Josselin Ouanna
Denis Gremelmayr
Philipp Petzschner
Rui Machado
Dudi Sela
Now this is a pitcher’s duel.
You know Anderson wouldn’t have caught that.
Mac,
I suppose you picked up on the fact that Carpenter had a perfect game into the 7th?
He’s BAAACk! (until he is injured
Now, that was a Prado.
A Prado indeed.
Their offense isn’t the same with Ludwick on the DL.
This would have been a really good day for an Infante start in center. Sigh.
If any series this season will most resemble the Dead Ball Era, it will be this one.
Not if Medlen has a reprise of his Rick Vaughn-on-Opening Day performance tomorrow.
Why are the Braves so freaking impatient at the plate? This guy went to a 3-1 count on the pitcher, then kelly comes out and swings at the first two pitches, like just about everyone else in the lineup has.
Here’s a quote from DOB today: “I think if (the Braves) do make a move, it’ll come well before trade deadline this time around.”
Well, then. I’m still going to keep my head in the sand about this, but someone is telling him and Peanut that the Braves are rather serious.
Francoeur’s doing his best to sabotage his trade value.
Javy should bat fifth.
Bengie Molina is one fat dude.
Blows my mind that his knees have been able to take the pressure of playing catcher daily.
Why is Javy getting precious here? They are going to get a cheap run and that’ll be the ballgame.
Glad I was wrong.
+/- for total runs this series is 12.5
Taking the over or the under?
I don’t care what any of the defensive metrics say, Brian McCann is a poor defensive catcher. Nice work by Javy pitching around his butchery.
Same here. Nice K for Javy.
@32:
Under. I’m guessing three 1-0 games, all of them extra innings.
Schafer is embarrassing at the plate.
#18, Carpenter must be one of the few guys for who you can toss out a stat like, “Cardinals right-hander Chris Carpenter has gone 4-1 with a 3.16 ERA in his first games off of the disabled list during his career”, and it not seem pointless, as BP did today.
Another terrible throw from McCann.
This is brutal.
I like how the sports south guys are talking about SF’s offensive woes like our offense is so much better off.
What’s wrong with Bobby? Uribe fell over the plate. Two years ago Bobby would’ve already been kicked out.
RE McCann @33: I agree. You just hope on most days he won’t be a liability. Unfortunately, today hasn’t been one of them.
Ballgame.
You gotta be kiddin me!
Only we could make Jonathan Sanchez look like an all star.
Seriously, be patient. He WILL walk you.
Damnit. Take the out.
Take. The. Out.
I don’t think we will score a run with this lineup in the SERIES.
Stick a fork in Javier.
How do the Giants ever score a run with that Triple A lineup they regularly send out? Gosh, that’s awful.
Good job by Javier to finish off the inning, but why leave him in there in the first place? he was the last out in the top of the inning.
btw, Mac, I’m in the office today too. Though in Canada we had a long weekend last we so I guess nevermind.
Finally, some patience.
Why pull Sanchez? Jeffy’s got a doubleplay all ready for them.
if bobby was smart, he would let mike gonzalez hit for frenchy. he’ll only strike out.
Because Frenchy is decent against lefties and the worst hitter in the world against RHP. That’d be my guess.
Vazquez pitched well, but the other team will score some runs when you commit two Prados in one game.
@28:
Now I really wish Vazquez was batting fifth.
Frenchy sucks.
Only one out made. Nice job, Jeffy.
Get his pathetic ass out of a major league uniform.
Good, he only made 1 out.
McCann may have had a rough defensive day, but he’s the offensive star so far.
At-bats like this are Francoeur’s retroactive petulance for being sent to AA last year … as though he’s saying, “You want to trade me? You’ll get as little as possible for making me spend a weekend in Mississippi. That’ll show you!”
Let’s see what you’ve got, Diory. Not much? Okay, Schafer, up to you.
Well that was predictable.
That was predictable. Bases loaded one out and don’t get anything. Ugh.
wow….they tried to give us the lead, but francoeur and schafer said, “no thanks”.
man oh man he swung at some awful pitches
It’s just a black hole in that part of the order.
What is it about Bobby leaving in Vazquez too long?
Is Anderson/Schafer/Francoeur a good outfield by even deadball era standards?
@63 – I like how you left Hernandez out of that. At least Schafer had to get a base hit – all Hernandez had to do was hit it to the outfield. Rediculous.
Diory is a AAA replacement, he is like 4th stringer on this team but had to start.
All he has to do is catch the ball.
Again, why does Bobby keep leaving in Vazquez after he’s out of steam? This is irritating.
Oh well, there goes the winning streak.
Bad start by Vaz. Really no excuse giving up 5 runs to that lineup.
Has Bobby forgotten how to double switch? Chasing a game like this there’s every reason to bump Diaz into center and bring in Garret to bat in that 9 spot, and not have to burn Bennett that quickly.
@70 – same could be said for Schafer.
I have complained about Schafer since he made the roster. He never should have been brought to the big club with so little professional experience.
the called 2nd strike on Kelly was easily a foot off the plate, like it matters anyways
Terrible hustle. We should have beaten out those weak hits. Terrible.
Does anyone know the number of times Schafer has had a hat trick this year? And I’m pretty sure hes had at least a couple Golden Sombreros.
#78 – its called no speed
And Frenchy still sucks something god aweful.
They weren’t running hard, fast or no.
Buddy is all kinds of awful.
I don’t know who to congratulate more, Bobby for the inane intentional walk, or Carlyle for the length and majesty of the home runs he gives up.
Can we please get rid of Carlyle now? Bennett might be fixable, but I really doubt Buddy’s got any more to show us.
Might as well let Carlyle stay in the rest of the way.
#86, I dunno. Don’t want the players to get sunstroke from too much time in the field.
For the first home run of his season, that was an absolute bomb.
Price just had runners on 2nd and 3rd, nobody out and struck out the side. Ouch!
Is Buddy this year’s “towel”? We seem to throw Buddy in the game, and by the time he leaves we need a “towel.” I’m not sure how to categorize him.
How did Schafer get to Cleveland so fast?
I’d be happy if Bennett, Carlyle and Francoeur were all released after the game.
I know it ain’t happening, I just wouldn’t be heartbroken.
McCann is really good. What is he doing on this team?
There is no reason Gorkys shouldn’t be starting over Schafer. None. Gorkys’ .331/.385/.407 line is pretty hollow, and his 42ks are frightening, but he could certainly do a hell of a lot better than Jordan’s .207/.331/.310 and he plays better defense to boot. The argument that we shouldn’t stunt his development is bogus because that reasoning as easily (indeed better) applies to Schafer who has never put up numbers like Gorkys even at AA. Unless the front office simply considers Schafer expendable, whereas Gorkys has real potential, which is entirely possible.
Come on, Jeff, pull this right at the third baseman. You know you want to hit into a triple play.
juff sex!
Superfly, we need an update on all of Francoeur’s runs produced…
Francouer is the worst .
Oh god for some reason I thought that was the top of the ninth, and now I’m disappointed that the game isn’t over and I will be compelled to listen to another inning.
Over .500 or no, this team remains strangely disheartening.
Think Bobby is bad? Carmona just walked 4 straight to start the 2nd, then got an out, then allowed 3 straight singles, then walked another – and he is still in the dang game.
I have a feeling Carlyle will be demoted after the game.
This is like the team didn’t get any sleep on the flight last night.
Schafer’s stuck out 4 times in 4 ABs today.
The Golden Sombrero!
Our chances to win tomorrow look quite slim with the pitching matchup.
Frank Wren is a frigging moron. What is he doing with Schafer? Seriously. Is there any way this can be good for anybody involved? WTF?
Recap is up.