The negativity around here is getting to be rather much.
Stephen
on June 25, 2008 at 8:22 am
A win today would certainly help matters….
Tony
on June 25, 2008 at 8:30 am
Yunel needs to have a Julio Franco or even Eddie Perez in the dugout to tell him to quit acting like an ass. I think Eddie would be a great bench coach.
At this point I have nothing else to say in regards to Francouer. It is becoming just a sad case.
Corky Miller is an embarassment to the Braves organization. He cannot be that great at handling pitchers to have his .103 on a major league roster. Just dumb.
When are Kotsay, Diaz, and Prado scheduled to return?
Brandon Jones…maybe is not the answer.
Marc Schneider
on June 25, 2008 at 8:30 am
A day game so fans have the evening to get over another loss and don’t have to lose sleep.
I think the negativity is sort of justified. Record is 201-202 since beginning of ’06.
Coop
on June 25, 2008 at 8:30 am
“We’re not going to find a better defensive SS — who can also hit — than Escobar (tonight notwithstanding), especially for the money.”
This post from the last thread is correct. This kid has produced from the get-go in trying circumstances.
I spent three years in Japan, speaking just enough Japanese to ask basic questions but not enough to understand the answers. I had the luxury of working in an English-speaking environment.
Yunel doesn’t. He’s performing as well as most major league shortstops, but the language barrier alone has to frustrate him.
He’s also Cuban and plays the game with flair. His innate hot dog has irritated some umps at home plate, and he’s had numerous balls called strikes in retribution.
He snapped. So what? He plays hard, usually smart and loves the game. He can play on my team.
Escobar’s whining doesn’t bother me nearly as much as Francoeur griping about balls and strikes.
Coop
on June 25, 2008 at 8:34 am
Good point, Tony. He’d make a great mentor for Yunel.
Is Eddie Perez so valuable in the pen that he can’t sit next to Bobby? I’d much rather he be the heir apparent than TP, although I do think highly of him also.
I’ll add that Yunel had a friend on the team who served in that role, and that the Braves dumped him to keep the Hamster. Yunel was doing fine before Pena was DFAd.
csg
on June 25, 2008 at 8:36 am
just decent baseball being played would help. We’ve made 11 errors in our last 7 games and the offense is getting shut down by almost every starter. I think fans have the right to be negative when the team is playing like this
csg
on June 25, 2008 at 8:39 am
“Francoeur griping about balls and strikes.”
its just funny to read this. Like he has a clue right now. Did you hear Joe talking about his vision? Its 20-20 in the right eye and 15-20 in the left. Hey thats about as perfect as it can get. I wonder what his swing looks like left handed
Eric
on June 25, 2008 at 8:42 am
@3. Why would you be ready to proclaim that Brandon Jones might not be the answer. After a cold streak of like 15 at-bats. I’m not saying he definitely is, I’m just saying there is aboslutely no way of knowing at this point. And with him being the No. 4 prospect coming into this season, I’m willing to give him the at-bats the work out the kinks at the major league level.
csg
on June 25, 2008 at 8:45 am
even Peanut doesnt understand…
Jones was hoping to pinch-hit in the seventh inning after Francoeur singled with two outs. But Brandon Jones ended that inning with a strikeout. Instead of using Brent Lillibridge to begin the top of the eighth, Cox sent Chipper Jones to the plate and then sent Lillibridge in the game to serve as his pinch-runner.
After allowing Teixeira’s homer, Torres, who has converted each of his 12 save opportunities since Eric Gagne went on the disabled list, surrendered a single to Brian McCann, who was immediately replaced with a pinch-runner. After a sacrifice bunt, Francoeur groundout and intentional walk to Brandon Jones, Miller carried his .103 batting average to the plate with the hope of providing a good ending.
Instead, he put an end to an ugly night that only briefly had a chance to memorable.
“It’s one game,” Morton said. “Nobody likes to lose. But there are going to be days like this.”
csg
on June 25, 2008 at 8:49 am
Jason Perry now has 18HR’s in 224AB’s. Throw him in the outfield mix and let him have a shot. He cant be struggling anymore than the rest of our OF’s
Frank
on June 25, 2008 at 8:53 am
I took in the ChiSox 6-1 win over the Dodgers last night. Good night for the ChiSox former Braves–Dye hit a key 2-run homer (just think how RF would have been with him over the past decade) and D. Wise was 3-4. Jones and Furcal didn’t play–today’s LA Times has an article pointing out the Dodgers have a .563 win pct with Furcal and a 17-27 record without him. It also has an article on lame deals made by the Dodgers–the picture with the story in Andruw.
ChiSox 2B Ramirez made a sportscenter play ranging to CF to take a hit away from Martin and then doubling Kemp off first. Pierzynski is a bum–he didn’t run on two plays to first–Derek Lowe, by contrast, busted it down the line.
One of life’s coolest sights is LA at night from the Dodger Stadium parking lot–no wonder Jim Morrison called it the “city of lights.”
I’ll add that Yunel had a friend on the team who served in that role, and that the Braves dumped him to keep the Hamster. Yunel was doing fine before Pena was DFAd.
This almost makes me wonder if Pena was DFA’d because the Braves wanted to break them up. In the long run, Pena isn’t going to be around to help him. Just the other day, I heard someone about getting her nephew who has just move to the US from Mexico into out of his English classes. The problem was that he was around other kids who spoke Spanish (that’s why they were all there), so the English classes were actually hindering his assimilation. In the short run, we are going to see some bumps, but in the long run he might be better off.
Still, it’s frustrating, especially when the replacement is Corky. Seriously, I recall Eddie Perez leaning in to take one for the team when necessary. Corky moved as nimbly as I’ve ever seen him to get out of the way of two pitches last night, before Francoeuring his 3-0 count.
Francoeuring — 1. To swing at pitches out of the strike zone after securing a hitter’s count.
2. To reach base on a weakly-hit infield ground ball.
3. To mis-play a ball on defense without being credited with an error. (syn. Prado)
Bethany
on June 25, 2008 at 9:00 am
The umps have turned on Yunel in the past few weeks… It’s not fair, but you have to keep your cool. But the whole team deserves a slap in the face, and Yunel wasn’t the worst offender by a long shot.
Blanco has what… two hits from the leadoff role? I really like the kid, but he’s been bad lately, and not just with the bat. It’s tough… do you stick with him, or bring up Anderson instead? And what about B. Jones?
Infante has been hitting well lately, so the bunt call was a tough one. Frenchy killed yet another rally.
I know we didn’t lose any ground, but I look more at the way the team is playing than the standings. This is not a playoff team, I don’t care how bad the division is. What good is making the playoffs if you’re just going to get clobbered once you get there?
Stu
on June 25, 2008 at 9:00 am
“Securing” is probably the wrong word, JC. As you know, no hitter’s count is secure with Jeff Francoeur.
Adam M
on June 25, 2008 at 9:06 am
With all the problems this team is having, it’s baffling that Yunel Escobar, who is hitting above average at SS and has been pretty decent in the field, should earn so much ire. Negativity is one thing; calling someone out for being from Cuba is quite another. Is Wren’s inability to acquire a league-average (right-handed) corner outfielder because he’s from Florida? Escobar is young and he’ll be fine. He’s among the least of the Braves problems right now.
Can I point out how it is we had Pena, Corky, AND Javy in spring training competing for our backup catcher job and the one we went with is Corky?!?!?! I’d rather have Javy up there on occasion, being older, probably only hitting .200, but occasionally knocking one out and being a throw-back Brave than seeing Hamster out there with his .100 average *grumble, grumble, Wren!, grumble*
Oh, and Kotsay and Diaz both may be back next week I think (if I recall what I read right). Here’s hoping Kotsay can stay healthy when he gets back and Diaz can return to 06-07 form.
Hanan
on June 25, 2008 at 9:09 am
Francouer wouldn’t secure a hitter’s count against Rick Ankiel.
Stephen
on June 25, 2008 at 9:20 am
JC–Your explanation about Bryan Pena’s release is the first that has made any sense…Until the Braves believe that Sammons has had enough ABs at Richmond, I am afraid that we are stuck with Corky….
Marc Schneider
on June 25, 2008 at 9:22 am
I understand it’s a long season and they can’t get too down after a single loss, yada, yada, yada, but I’m sort of tired of the Braves treating every loss as if it’s no big deal. At some point, it’s not early and you can’t make up all the games you keep pissing away. Now, I realize Morton is in no position to show ire but the Braves, as they have done in recent years, seem to keep hiding behind the mantra that it’s a long season–until it’s not. Chipper is the only one that seems to recognize any urgency. Of course, one thing that encourages that is that all the teams in the division keep losing so they never lose any ground but at some point, you have to start playing some decent baseball. There seems to be an attitude on the team that we have so much talent that eventually we will turn things around.
csg
on June 25, 2008 at 9:26 am
#20 – Charles I think they said they were just now (later this week) getting Diaz in a different brace where he can at least start baseball activities again. I think he’ll be more around the break before we see him again. Seriously though, in the meantime, just call the Giants and tell them we’ll take Randy Winn and his full salary. No way they can expect anything in return on that one. I cant believe I’m saying this, but put Infante in CF and Winn in RF. Do something, whatever it is
csg
on June 25, 2008 at 9:27 am
oh and Sammons has definitely cooled off, he’s down to .244 now. Still just having Corky off the team will give me more hope
csg
on June 25, 2008 at 9:29 am
Campillo going today, we’ll probably get at least 7 innings of the hamster again
Thanks csg, I had to hunt down where I’d read their timeline and wasn’t sure on it… AJC says:
The Braves hope to have Mark Kotsay back from the disabled list next week and left fielder Matt Diaz back in a couple of more weeks.
Matt’s cleared to run and is apparently ready to come back.
“I know Kotsay and me aren’t going to cure the outfield,” Diaz said. “It’s got to be a team thing. When Chipper [Jones] is down, other people have got to step up … I can’t wait to be a part of that. You forget how much you love baseball until you can’t play.”
I would like to suggest we promote Braeden Schlehuber from GCL to replace Corky… not so much because he’ll be good (probably won’t, but would also probably be better than Corky), but because it’ll be fun to hear the guys in the booth try and say his name.
Jake
on June 25, 2008 at 9:53 am
Lineup Update:
Chipper is out. McCann is in.
Bethany
on June 25, 2008 at 9:59 am
I’m honestly glad Chipper is getting another day off, and I’m even more glad that McCann is playing. Thanks for the update, Jake.
Jake
on June 25, 2008 at 10:07 am
No problem. Brian was told about it last night so he has been prepared for it.
Also, I watched Kotsay and Prado on the field during BP yesterday. Kotsay looked very good while Prado looked very rusty.
It is a beautiful day in NJ and I am off today, I hate the fact I will be sitting inside here watching the Braves.
they better win dang it.
I Like Yunel but he IS a hot dog, he complains about balls and strikes a lot and the bat flip costs him many close calls.
This is a bad trait for a young player to have, i believe it was also a big problem for him in the minors.
I saw that yesterday. I find it hard to believe that people around the football program didn’t know what he was into. From some people who go to school there it was well known what JJ did.
If Francoeur is to turn things around this season, he needs to tune out his critics who believe his fatal flaw is his aggression as a hitter. As a young developing hitter, he is best off staying true to himself by maintaining his aggression and gradually learning more plate discipline as he gets older and more experienced.
Also known as the Terry Pendleton plan that has been in effect for three years. Why not just suggest sticking a Q-Ray bracelet on the guy?
Nick
on June 25, 2008 at 10:27 am
I really don’t understand why we don’t bring up Sammons already, and I’m normally on the opposite side of this “Why don’t we bring up the kids” argument. But in most instances, the person we’re replacing isn’t hitting .050 or whatever the hell Corky is hitting now.
There’s no way we keep Sammons anyway. He’s completely blocked by McCann, so he’s pretty much guaranteed to be traded. And now he looks like he’s stagnating somewhat in Richmond. Bring him up and let him show what he can do as the backup catcher.
Also, pinch-hitting Chipper with the tying run still on-deck is one of the worst decisions I’ve ever seen Cox make. That a spot where we actually needed him came up in a game-breaking situation and we didn’t have him and had to use Corky freaking Miller was all too predictable. Bobby played for the one-run loss and what did we get? A one-run loss. Imagine that.
Apparently, Johns managed to somehow keep his identities as talented but somehow useless football player and crimelord separate. So while his activities as the latter were well known to the powder cocaine circuit up on fraternity row, the other players were… well, it’s hard to believe unaware, but unacquainted with how much he was actually doing. He didn’t hang with the other players at all, from what I hear.
Even with cocaine, where did he find the time?
Bethany
on June 25, 2008 at 10:31 am
Well, I don’t have too much of a problem with the pinch hit situation because we had the top of the order coming up.
I’d love to see Sammons, is there any way he could be worse than Corky? Miller’s defense is not that good, so I say give him a shot.
Bethany
on June 25, 2008 at 10:33 am
Also, sorry to hear about Johns, you never want to see a person fall into that crap. I hope he can turn it around.
The writer doesn’t investigate the fact that Frenchy’s power has disappeared, but it’s implied with the shrinking slug-%.
A couple key passages:
“Unfortunately, the injury-depleted Braves don’t have anyone better in their system to replace Francoeur.”
“As of this writing, Francoeur is only hitting .228 with a .267 OBP and a .367 SLG with RISP. That is very unusual for Francoeur. For his career, in 558 plate appearances with RISP, Francoeur has batted .315 with a .364 OBP and a .508 SLG.”
The passage above is the main reason we could put up with his flaws previously & now we can’t. That’s it in a nutshell. Before this season (558 PAs), Frenchy rose to the occasion; this year, he’s been bad at everything and, crucially, he’s now a Rally Killer Supreme (TM).
Jake
on June 25, 2008 at 10:38 am
Bethany,
I have no sympathy for that idiot. Like Mac said, he’s going to jail for at least a decade on 5 different felony’s. He choose his own path, he had a free education and possibly some type of professional football in his future (arena, canadian). What a dumbarse!
Bethany
on June 25, 2008 at 10:40 am
I didn’t say I felt bad for him, it’s just a shame to see potential wasted.
Jake
on June 25, 2008 at 10:42 am
It is a shame, as an educator I see potential wasted daily.
Good. We need to rest Chipper as long as possible. Since the East is as a whole is struggling right now, the Braves really aren’t losing any ground. However, a win today would be nice.
#14
Frank,
That moment you mention from the Chavez Ravine parking lot…I had the exact same experience the first time I visited Dodger Stadium. I looked up, saw the view & “LA Woman” began to play in my head. (Now it happens when I’m flying into town.)
First game at Dodger Stadium was April 1991 and it was a Braves game. They were off to something like an 11-8 start, which felt hopeful, but was really just plain amazing! Little did I know what kind of thrills I would get that year.
I scored a ticket outside about 5 rows behind home plate. Braves lost, Kal Daniels hit a GSHR for LA and Deion Sanders hit a so-what solo shot later, but I’ll always remember that experience. And, yes, the Dodger Dogs are awesome.
csg
on June 25, 2008 at 11:10 am
“Also, pinch-hitting Chipper with the tying run still on-deck is one of the worst decisions I’ve ever seen Cox make.”
he didnt even do that. He wasted Chippers bat yesterday. It was a 4-1 game with no one on and no outs. Then he had to burn Lillibridge to run for him. You let Lillibridge hit there and run for himself and save Chipper just in case there is a situation to drive in some runs
Robert
on June 25, 2008 at 11:19 am
Well, Dodger stadium is indeed awesome. Before I got married I used to go to games all the time, now I only go to Braves games. Three games I remember best:
1. Mike Piazza becoming only the second player to hit a home run completely out of the stadium link
2. Ismael Valdes throws a one hitter. link
Wilton Guerrero starting shortstop! The Dodgers were in a bit of a middle infield dry spell.
3. The Gary Sheffield game. link
So this game was a spur of the moment decision, so I only could get a ticket in the left field pavilion. That’s still a good seat and only like $8 bucks at the time. Anyway, Sheffield hits a homer in the third a few rows over my head which was pretty cool. Then in the eighth he hits another rocket which, from the moment it leaves his bat, is clearly coming right at me. So I put my scorecard down, stand up, and…step to one side allowing the ball to clang of the bench seat where I was sitting and into the hands of the folks behind me. A little embarrassing to be sure, but you remember the way Sheffield hits the ball, this thing was a laser and I don’t take a gl0ve.
Jeremy
on June 25, 2008 at 11:21 am
The writer doesn’t investigate the fact that Frenchy’s power has disappeared
His ISO is about the same as it was last year, and (amazingly) his XBH% is quite a bit higher — 38% this year vs. 31% last year. He’s hitting less singles.
Robert
on June 25, 2008 at 11:24 am
Then he had to burn Lillibridge to run for him. You let Lillibridge hit there and run for himself and save Chipper just in case there is a situation to drive in some runs
Nah, it’s the eighth, the bottom of the order probably isn’t getting up again might as well get him in there. That high leverage situation may never materialize. I’d rather use him too early than not at all. If there was a mistake it was not using a pitcher to run for him and keeping Lilli available for later. Not that he would have been a better option than Corky.
bruleâ„¢
on June 25, 2008 at 11:32 am
Escobar’s whining doesn’t bother me nearly as much as Francoeur griping about balls and strikes.
Ditto, Mac.
Most of all, yesterday, I was disappointed with errors.
I like Escobar. He was Mr. consistency in the lineup. I was very excited at that time when the Braves drafed him. As is often the case with Hispanic or Latino, I think he is a man of passion. I prefer this because he is professional. HAHAHA…
IMO, each national has its own peculiarities. Here is my story. I’ve had a lot of German classmates. They were too serious. They did speak english fluently but did speak German except for class. On top of that, they got along with themselves. Of course I have German friends. Generally my spanish friends were serious too. Both of them rarely smiled and often made contortions of the face. I know persons are different depend on personalities. But I realized that is a national trait. I’m not a chatterbox and I am a little shy. Thankfully they walked up to me and then we spent a good days. At first, I was afraid of leaving message here. Nevertheless I did. 🙂 I think Escobar’s language problem is not a big deal because we are the Braves. 🙂
This blog makes me feel a wave of nostalgia when I was infatuated with blogging. I rarely find this kind of Mac’s blog in western cyberspace. Music is always my friend. I enjoys all kinds of music. Even I listened reggae when I was in Sydney and Auckland. But I prefer Brit-Pop like Oasis, Blur, Radiohead,,,etc. Stirred memories of a simpler time. Cheers, Mac.
braves14
on June 25, 2008 at 11:58 am
Escobar is out of the lineup today.
Cf Blanco
3b Gotay
2b Johnson
1b Teixiera
C McCann
Ss Infante
Rf Francoeur
Lf Jones
P Campillo
Stu
on June 25, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Nursing the injury or is Bobby pissed at him? Another not-bad lineup, considering what we’ve got to work with, although I’d of course switch Francoeur and Jones.
braves14
on June 25, 2008 at 12:03 pm
They’ll probably use the nursing the injury as the PA excuse, but the real reason I bet is the ejection last night.
Robert
on June 25, 2008 at 12:05 pm
That’s a long breather for the pitcher once you get past McCann until someone even mildly menacing comes up again.
Stu
on June 25, 2008 at 12:06 pm
BTW, what are the estimates as to what Ben Sheets and Adam Dunn will command per year this offseason?
If they each command $15 million per year, we could sign both of them, re-sign Teix at $20 million per, while having our payroll increase from roughly $90 million to roughly $100 million.
In 2009, that would give us a rotation of Sheets/Hudson/Jurrjens/Reyes/Campillo;
a lineup of
Yunel/KJ/Chipper/Teix/Dunn/McCann/Francoeur/Schafer;
a bullpen of
Soriano/Gonzalez/Moylan/Boyer/Ring/Bennett/Acosta;
Stu, I would be shocked, shocked if Dunn stood to get as much as Tex, and frankly I’d rather have him. (Despite the much lower BA, Dunn actually has a higher career OBP.)
I’d guess Dunn could be had for 7/$120, Tex for 6/$120, and Sheets for 5/$85. (I’m thinking Sheets will get a Burnett-like deal, factoring in a little more inflation.)
4 of our 8 position players are the back-ups today… it really is amazing we’ve not dropped more games than we have with as few of our “regulars” as we’ve been able to trot out regularly for a while now.
Coop
on June 25, 2008 at 12:24 pm
AAR, who else is out there waiting for Liberty’s money?
Robert
on June 25, 2008 at 12:25 pm
We won’t sign a big ticket free agent, but if we did it would have to be someone like Dunn who’s value isn’t well understood by all.
Coop
on June 25, 2008 at 12:29 pm
I like our rotation and pen, our middle infield and our catcher. Chipper’s best in the bigs when healthy.
Assuming Glavine, Hampton, Teixiera, and (please let me be wrong on this) Smoltz are gone or done, how much payroll have we obligated for 2009; and how much do we have to spend?
Bethany
on June 25, 2008 at 12:29 pm
My only worry with someone like Dunn is that we’ll end up like the Dodgers with Andrew. Dunn would be a nice addition as he is now, but what if he regresses? He also doesn’t have any defensive skill to speak of.
Bethany, that’s a good point — Dunn does have prototypical “old player” skills, and those guys don’t age well. I’d imagine that he’d start to fall off in a hurry once he gets into his early 30’s. But he’s only 28, and he probably has another 5 seasons of very good production.
Dix
on June 25, 2008 at 12:33 pm
I’m all in favor of Stu’s proposal.
Sign Sheets
Sign Dunn
Sign Teix
Fix the glitch that still sends out Francoeur’s biweekly paycheck.
Tell me gameday is wrong it wasn’t an injury delay… did we lose another player? At this rate we’ll be playing all AA guys by the end of the year and Schaefer will get his shot.
At this point Bobby gets to manage like an AL manager, because there’s no concern of waiting till the pitcher’s spot comes up. Everybody who isn’t a pitcher is hurt, or is hitting as bad or worse than one. So just pull the pitcher when you feel like it and put in another one to hit for him, doesn’t make any difference.
Robert
on June 25, 2008 at 12:54 pm
I missed the double–should it have been an error on Lillibridge?
It was hard hit, no one is going to give an error on it. Still, he could have had it.
How sad is it that I know the trainer is Jeff Porter without looking it up, just because I’ve seen him come on the field so often in the last few years? (this of course assumes they didn’t change trainers sometime that I missed).
Someone needs to be fired. Several people need to be fired.”
Considering the vitriol that spews forth from the mouths of men here, that I would consider otherwise to be perfectly reasonable men, I would say the fact that this team is essentially playing .500 baseball is a testament to Bobby’s clubhouse.
If you think you’re frustrated, imagine how the players feel? We’ve got 3/5ths of our starting rotation out, starting 3b, starting ss, starting lf, starting cf, TWO utility IF’s out.
But they go out and play and tread water, and if they pouted half as much as we do, they’d be 25-50 right now.
Coop
on June 25, 2008 at 12:56 pm
At least Frenchy’s not going to hit into a double play here.
Dix
on June 25, 2008 at 12:57 pm
Good evening Sir, my name is Jeff. I come from a rough area. I used to be addicted to crack but now I am off it and trying to stay clean. That is why I am playing right field for the Atlanta Braves.
JJ, I admit that I spew a fair amount of vitriol. Maybe you’re right that simply playing .500 baseball is an impressive achievement considering all the injuries we’ve suffered. For some reason, though, I feel it’s unacceptable that we’ve committed 9 errors in the past 5 games. Major league ballplayers, no matter how fringy, shouldn’t do that. That was the reason for my vitriol in that particular argument.
Dix
on June 25, 2008 at 1:00 pm
I think you mean bat out of order. He never hits, in any order.
im under the impression that Jeff Porter is still around. Strength And Conditioning is a different title from Head Trainer. I don’t recall the name of the man who was fired.
AAR – Oh don’t get me wrong, I scream the screen like any self-respecting sportsfan. I just didn’t yell on that one. He was handcuffed, and just came in the game cold. (His first on-field action since he got he from Richmond, I believe.)
Infante kicking the ball around lately, Francoeur kicking the ball around, those plays really set me off.
But Lilly, I don’t think stood a chance there, playing up on the grass like that.
Stephen
on June 25, 2008 at 1:07 pm
#121–Before that hit he sounded quietly disappointed and he may well again….
Robert
on June 25, 2008 at 1:07 pm
SHUT UP ABOUT THE ALL-STAR GAME, YOU WANKERS.
You would rather they talk about maple bats some more? How could Aaron Heilman be on that conference call?
Marc Schneider
on June 25, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Obviously, our expectations are still high because of the run of success. The fact is, the Braves now are just another team that will have some good years and some bad. Right now, the Brewers seem to be coming on, they have a good young core and are simply a better team–certainly better than the team the Braves have been forced to put out on the field recently.
But mediocrity is boring. Maybe Bobby does deserve credit for being .500. As a fan, though, it sucks.
JJ, that’s fair enough. I didn’t see the play. But our radio guys said that, though it was hit hard, it was something that he could have made a play on.
By the way, getting to watch the Phillies lose 6 in a row has helped me keep my peace… I take heart by thinking “We’re trying to tread water until we get our pieces back. The Phillies are just LOSING.”
List of things Lillibridge can do to make himself look older than 18:
1.
2.
3.
seriously….. anything?
Dix
on June 25, 2008 at 1:16 pm
unfortunately none of my fantasy teams have Milwaukee’s 7-9 hitters.
Robert
on June 25, 2008 at 1:17 pm
First pitch popup…you are the man Jeff.
Stephen
on June 25, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Lillibridge is still without a hit… he looks even younger than I imagined. Wonder if he needs a fake ID….
Way to go Frenchy….
Dix
on June 25, 2008 at 1:17 pm
I’ll be honest with you, I love his game, I do, I’m a Jeff Francoeur fan. For my money, it doesn’t get any better than when he swings and misses at a slider 2 feet off the plate.
Jeremy
on June 25, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Send his ass down already. This is ridiculous.
Robert
on June 25, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Lillibridge is still without a hit… he looks even younger than I imagined. Wonder if he needs a fake ID….
I like how they gave him the number 1, which somehow makes him look even smaller. I guess the commish’s office wouldn’t approve giving him 1/2 or 1/3 for a number.
wasn’t Prado using #1? … what are the rules on changing your number halfway through the season? (that’s if the Braves actually want Prado back on the active roster)
Jeff Francoeur : You see Bob, it’s not that I’m lazy, it’s that I just don’t care.
Bobby Cox: Don’t… don’t care?
Jeff: It’s a problem of motivation, all right? Now if I work my ass off and the pitchers throws a few extra pitches, I don’t see another dime, so where’s the motivation? And here’s another thing, I have eight different teammates who hit better than I do right now.
Bobby: Eight?
Jeff: Eight, Bob. So that means when I make a mistake, I have eight different people coming by to tell me about it. That’s my only real motivation is not to be hassled, that, and the fear of losing my job. But you know, Bob, that will only make someone work just hard enough not to get nontendered.
Robert
on June 25, 2008 at 1:28 pm
Well, Campillo is simply awesome. Feel good story of the year.
csg
on June 25, 2008 at 1:29 pm
the sad thing is, the only people hitting with a higher average than Infante over the last 30 days is Tex, Chipper, and the other Jones
Parish, they’re saying Infante’s day-to-day, but our guys imagined that Infante probably wouldn’t be playing tomorrow considering the way he grabbed his leg.
Do you think Jorge Campillo could play outfield on the days he’s not pitching? I heard that worked for another guy named George.
I guess we can tell he’s been taking tips from Terry Pendleton!
Brian J.
on June 25, 2008 at 1:43 pm
No, you can not have blowout.
Hate King
on June 25, 2008 at 1:43 pm
I was watching a game on peachtree tv with skip and joe (I think this was friday’s game) and they cut away to a commercial and I still heard joe and skip talking. Joe immediately started calling something in the CF area of the ballpark “crap” and they cut to birdseye views of Turner rather quickly. Skip also hated on the ESPN magazine for an inning.
Parish
on June 25, 2008 at 1:44 pm
Very disappointing.
Does anyone think that if Lillibridge had a mustache, he would look just like the older brother in Napolean Dynamite?
Stephen
on June 25, 2008 at 1:44 pm
Lillibridge was a windmill before he got to Atlanta–but even if he looks 15 he certainly fits in….
It would be cool if the Hamster never had another pinch hit appearance as long as Hudson, Jurrjens, Campillo… or pretty much any pitcher was available. I’m quite sure they’d all give a better chance at actually getting a hit/avoiding a double play.
We have 13 men left on base (cumulative counting)… and I’m not surprised we left them on, I’m just surprised we had that many guys on in the first place with the line-up we sent out.
Jason
on June 25, 2008 at 2:27 pm
I swear, I heard Chip say, “… And if I’m reading Ned Yost’s lips right, they’re going to walk Francoeur and pitch to Brandon Jones” and I spun around in my chair, shrieked “WHAT?!” and dribbled a mouthful of Diet Coke onto my shirt.
Parish
on June 25, 2008 at 2:27 pm
On another note, it seems like “abbreviation” should be a shorter word.
braves14
on June 25, 2008 at 2:27 pm
If Infante has to go to the DL, the Braves would have to move Smoltz or somebody to the 60 day DL to make room for Diory.
Parish, are you saying that the word “abbreviation” is excessively sesquipedalian?
Parish
on June 25, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Norton in LF?
Hmmm…
braves14
on June 25, 2008 at 2:30 pm
But strike 3 wasn’t
Landogarner
on June 25, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Wow…… how does chipper take that pitch? Crazy.
Brian J.
on June 25, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Strike three well outside according to GameDay. Crap.
c. shorter
on June 25, 2008 at 2:31 pm
who’s pitching?
Parish
on June 25, 2008 at 2:32 pm
AAR – well, I’m going to have to look that up.
c. shorter
on June 25, 2008 at 2:32 pm
i ask because gameday is going slow on me
Landogarner
on June 25, 2008 at 2:32 pm
Looked pretty darn close. Way too close to take.
csg
on June 25, 2008 at 2:32 pm
Do we really need another util infielder? Doesnt Norton play 3rd and 1st also? I would like to see Perry or Anderson get called up. Can Diory play 3rd anyways?
c. shorter
on June 25, 2008 at 2:32 pm
is gonzalez in for their 3-4-5?
Stu
on June 25, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Wait…why exactly did Chipper pinch-hit for Brandon Jones? I don’t understand. Or did Gameday get the order wrong? Did they announce Chipper before Mota was brought in?
The negativity around here is getting to be rather much.
A win today would certainly help matters….
Yunel needs to have a Julio Franco or even Eddie Perez in the dugout to tell him to quit acting like an ass. I think Eddie would be a great bench coach.
At this point I have nothing else to say in regards to Francouer. It is becoming just a sad case.
Corky Miller is an embarassment to the Braves organization. He cannot be that great at handling pitchers to have his .103 on a major league roster. Just dumb.
When are Kotsay, Diaz, and Prado scheduled to return?
Brandon Jones…maybe is not the answer.
A day game so fans have the evening to get over another loss and don’t have to lose sleep.
I think the negativity is sort of justified. Record is 201-202 since beginning of ’06.
“We’re not going to find a better defensive SS — who can also hit — than Escobar (tonight notwithstanding), especially for the money.”
This post from the last thread is correct. This kid has produced from the get-go in trying circumstances.
I spent three years in Japan, speaking just enough Japanese to ask basic questions but not enough to understand the answers. I had the luxury of working in an English-speaking environment.
Yunel doesn’t. He’s performing as well as most major league shortstops, but the language barrier alone has to frustrate him.
He’s also Cuban and plays the game with flair. His innate hot dog has irritated some umps at home plate, and he’s had numerous balls called strikes in retribution.
He snapped. So what? He plays hard, usually smart and loves the game. He can play on my team.
Selah.
Escobar’s whining doesn’t bother me nearly as much as Francoeur griping about balls and strikes.
Good point, Tony. He’d make a great mentor for Yunel.
Is Eddie Perez so valuable in the pen that he can’t sit next to Bobby? I’d much rather he be the heir apparent than TP, although I do think highly of him also.
I’ll add that Yunel had a friend on the team who served in that role, and that the Braves dumped him to keep the Hamster. Yunel was doing fine before Pena was DFAd.
just decent baseball being played would help. We’ve made 11 errors in our last 7 games and the offense is getting shut down by almost every starter. I think fans have the right to be negative when the team is playing like this
“Francoeur griping about balls and strikes.”
its just funny to read this. Like he has a clue right now. Did you hear Joe talking about his vision? Its 20-20 in the right eye and 15-20 in the left. Hey thats about as perfect as it can get. I wonder what his swing looks like left handed
@3. Why would you be ready to proclaim that Brandon Jones might not be the answer. After a cold streak of like 15 at-bats. I’m not saying he definitely is, I’m just saying there is aboslutely no way of knowing at this point. And with him being the No. 4 prospect coming into this season, I’m willing to give him the at-bats the work out the kinks at the major league level.
even Peanut doesnt understand…
Jones was hoping to pinch-hit in the seventh inning after Francoeur singled with two outs. But Brandon Jones ended that inning with a strikeout. Instead of using Brent Lillibridge to begin the top of the eighth, Cox sent Chipper Jones to the plate and then sent Lillibridge in the game to serve as his pinch-runner.
After allowing Teixeira’s homer, Torres, who has converted each of his 12 save opportunities since Eric Gagne went on the disabled list, surrendered a single to Brian McCann, who was immediately replaced with a pinch-runner. After a sacrifice bunt, Francoeur groundout and intentional walk to Brandon Jones, Miller carried his .103 batting average to the plate with the hope of providing a good ending.
Instead, he put an end to an ugly night that only briefly had a chance to memorable.
“It’s one game,” Morton said. “Nobody likes to lose. But there are going to be days like this.”
Jason Perry now has 18HR’s in 224AB’s. Throw him in the outfield mix and let him have a shot. He cant be struggling anymore than the rest of our OF’s
I took in the ChiSox 6-1 win over the Dodgers last night. Good night for the ChiSox former Braves–Dye hit a key 2-run homer (just think how RF would have been with him over the past decade) and D. Wise was 3-4. Jones and Furcal didn’t play–today’s LA Times has an article pointing out the Dodgers have a .563 win pct with Furcal and a 17-27 record without him. It also has an article on lame deals made by the Dodgers–the picture with the story in Andruw.
ChiSox 2B Ramirez made a sportscenter play ranging to CF to take a hit away from Martin and then doubling Kemp off first. Pierzynski is a bum–he didn’t run on two plays to first–Derek Lowe, by contrast, busted it down the line.
One of life’s coolest sights is LA at night from the Dodger Stadium parking lot–no wonder Jim Morrison called it the “city of lights.”
Sheets and Sabathia in the offseason.
This almost makes me wonder if Pena was DFA’d because the Braves wanted to break them up. In the long run, Pena isn’t going to be around to help him. Just the other day, I heard someone about getting her nephew who has just move to the US from Mexico into out of his English classes. The problem was that he was around other kids who spoke Spanish (that’s why they were all there), so the English classes were actually hindering his assimilation. In the short run, we are going to see some bumps, but in the long run he might be better off.
Still, it’s frustrating, especially when the replacement is Corky. Seriously, I recall Eddie Perez leaning in to take one for the team when necessary. Corky moved as nimbly as I’ve ever seen him to get out of the way of two pitches last night, before Francoeuring his 3-0 count.
Francoeuring — 1. To swing at pitches out of the strike zone after securing a hitter’s count.
2. To reach base on a weakly-hit infield ground ball.
3. To mis-play a ball on defense without being credited with an error. (syn. Prado)
The umps have turned on Yunel in the past few weeks… It’s not fair, but you have to keep your cool. But the whole team deserves a slap in the face, and Yunel wasn’t the worst offender by a long shot.
Blanco has what… two hits from the leadoff role? I really like the kid, but he’s been bad lately, and not just with the bat. It’s tough… do you stick with him, or bring up Anderson instead? And what about B. Jones?
Infante has been hitting well lately, so the bunt call was a tough one. Frenchy killed yet another rally.
I know we didn’t lose any ground, but I look more at the way the team is playing than the standings. This is not a playoff team, I don’t care how bad the division is. What good is making the playoffs if you’re just going to get clobbered once you get there?
“Securing” is probably the wrong word, JC. As you know, no hitter’s count is secure with Jeff Francoeur.
With all the problems this team is having, it’s baffling that Yunel Escobar, who is hitting above average at SS and has been pretty decent in the field, should earn so much ire. Negativity is one thing; calling someone out for being from Cuba is quite another. Is Wren’s inability to acquire a league-average (right-handed) corner outfielder because he’s from Florida? Escobar is young and he’ll be fine. He’s among the least of the Braves problems right now.
Can I point out how it is we had Pena, Corky, AND Javy in spring training competing for our backup catcher job and the one we went with is Corky?!?!?! I’d rather have Javy up there on occasion, being older, probably only hitting .200, but occasionally knocking one out and being a throw-back Brave than seeing Hamster out there with his .100 average *grumble, grumble, Wren!, grumble*
Oh, and Kotsay and Diaz both may be back next week I think (if I recall what I read right). Here’s hoping Kotsay can stay healthy when he gets back and Diaz can return to 06-07 form.
Francouer wouldn’t secure a hitter’s count against Rick Ankiel.
JC–Your explanation about Bryan Pena’s release is the first that has made any sense…Until the Braves believe that Sammons has had enough ABs at Richmond, I am afraid that we are stuck with Corky….
I understand it’s a long season and they can’t get too down after a single loss, yada, yada, yada, but I’m sort of tired of the Braves treating every loss as if it’s no big deal. At some point, it’s not early and you can’t make up all the games you keep pissing away. Now, I realize Morton is in no position to show ire but the Braves, as they have done in recent years, seem to keep hiding behind the mantra that it’s a long season–until it’s not. Chipper is the only one that seems to recognize any urgency. Of course, one thing that encourages that is that all the teams in the division keep losing so they never lose any ground but at some point, you have to start playing some decent baseball. There seems to be an attitude on the team that we have so much talent that eventually we will turn things around.
#20 – Charles I think they said they were just now (later this week) getting Diaz in a different brace where he can at least start baseball activities again. I think he’ll be more around the break before we see him again. Seriously though, in the meantime, just call the Giants and tell them we’ll take Randy Winn and his full salary. No way they can expect anything in return on that one. I cant believe I’m saying this, but put Infante in CF and Winn in RF. Do something, whatever it is
oh and Sammons has definitely cooled off, he’s down to .244 now. Still just having Corky off the team will give me more hope
Campillo going today, we’ll probably get at least 7 innings of the hamster again
It’s a day game after a night game. Of course the Hamster will start. The only question is if McCann hits for him in the eighth or the ninth.
Oh, I added “Hamster” to the Glossary. Anyone want to peek over there and see if I’m missing anything?
Thanks csg, I had to hunt down where I’d read their timeline and wasn’t sure on it… AJC says:
Matt’s cleared to run and is apparently ready to come back.
http://tinyurl.com/4wxab3
I would like to suggest we promote Braeden Schlehuber from GCL to replace Corky… not so much because he’ll be good (probably won’t, but would also probably be better than Corky), but because it’ll be fun to hear the guys in the booth try and say his name.
Lineup Update:
Chipper is out. McCann is in.
I’m honestly glad Chipper is getting another day off, and I’m even more glad that McCann is playing. Thanks for the update, Jake.
No problem. Brian was told about it last night so he has been prepared for it.
Also, I watched Kotsay and Prado on the field during BP yesterday. Kotsay looked very good while Prado looked very rusty.
lets start Corky delenda est
someone outside of ATL is paying attention…
“What to do with the hometown hero?”
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8276144/Braves-face-difficult-choices-with-struggling-Francoeur
It is a beautiful day in NJ and I am off today, I hate the fact I will be sitting inside here watching the Braves.
they better win dang it.
I Like Yunel but he IS a hot dog, he complains about balls and strikes a lot and the bat flip costs him many close calls.
This is a bad trait for a young player to have, i believe it was also a big problem for him in the minors.
csg, that is a very good article.
You have got to be kidding me.
I saw that yesterday. I find it hard to believe that people around the football program didn’t know what he was into. From some people who go to school there it was well known what JJ did.
Also known as the Terry Pendleton plan that has been in effect for three years. Why not just suggest sticking a Q-Ray bracelet on the guy?
I really don’t understand why we don’t bring up Sammons already, and I’m normally on the opposite side of this “Why don’t we bring up the kids” argument. But in most instances, the person we’re replacing isn’t hitting .050 or whatever the hell Corky is hitting now.
There’s no way we keep Sammons anyway. He’s completely blocked by McCann, so he’s pretty much guaranteed to be traded. And now he looks like he’s stagnating somewhat in Richmond. Bring him up and let him show what he can do as the backup catcher.
Also, pinch-hitting Chipper with the tying run still on-deck is one of the worst decisions I’ve ever seen Cox make. That a spot where we actually needed him came up in a game-breaking situation and we didn’t have him and had to use Corky freaking Miller was all too predictable. Bobby played for the one-run loss and what did we get? A one-run loss. Imagine that.
Apparently, Johns managed to somehow keep his identities as talented but somehow useless football player and crimelord separate. So while his activities as the latter were well known to the powder cocaine circuit up on fraternity row, the other players were… well, it’s hard to believe unaware, but unacquainted with how much he was actually doing. He didn’t hang with the other players at all, from what I hear.
Even with cocaine, where did he find the time?
Well, I don’t have too much of a problem with the pinch hit situation because we had the top of the order coming up.
I’d love to see Sammons, is there any way he could be worse than Corky? Miller’s defense is not that good, so I say give him a shot.
Also, sorry to hear about Johns, you never want to see a person fall into that crap. I hope he can turn it around.
He’s looking at several decades in prison, so I don’t think turning it around is in the cards.
csg,
Pretty fair Frenchy article.
The writer doesn’t investigate the fact that Frenchy’s power has disappeared, but it’s implied with the shrinking slug-%.
A couple key passages:
“Unfortunately, the injury-depleted Braves don’t have anyone better in their system to replace Francoeur.”
“As of this writing, Francoeur is only hitting .228 with a .267 OBP and a .367 SLG with RISP. That is very unusual for Francoeur. For his career, in 558 plate appearances with RISP, Francoeur has batted .315 with a .364 OBP and a .508 SLG.”
The passage above is the main reason we could put up with his flaws previously & now we can’t. That’s it in a nutshell. Before this season (558 PAs), Frenchy rose to the occasion; this year, he’s been bad at everything and, crucially, he’s now a Rally Killer Supreme (TM).
Bethany,
I have no sympathy for that idiot. Like Mac said, he’s going to jail for at least a decade on 5 different felony’s. He choose his own path, he had a free education and possibly some type of professional football in his future (arena, canadian). What a dumbarse!
I didn’t say I felt bad for him, it’s just a shame to see potential wasted.
It is a shame, as an educator I see potential wasted daily.
Which brings us back to Francoeur…
Bigger issue: Chippers health.
Good. We need to rest Chipper as long as possible. Since the East is as a whole is struggling right now, the Braves really aren’t losing any ground. However, a win today would be nice.
I say Escobar comes out swinging today.
#14
Frank,
That moment you mention from the Chavez Ravine parking lot…I had the exact same experience the first time I visited Dodger Stadium. I looked up, saw the view & “LA Woman” began to play in my head. (Now it happens when I’m flying into town.)
First game at Dodger Stadium was April 1991 and it was a Braves game. They were off to something like an 11-8 start, which felt hopeful, but was really just plain amazing! Little did I know what kind of thrills I would get that year.
I scored a ticket outside about 5 rows behind home plate. Braves lost, Kal Daniels hit a GSHR for LA and Deion Sanders hit a so-what solo shot later, but I’ll always remember that experience. And, yes, the Dodger Dogs are awesome.
“Also, pinch-hitting Chipper with the tying run still on-deck is one of the worst decisions I’ve ever seen Cox make.”
he didnt even do that. He wasted Chippers bat yesterday. It was a 4-1 game with no one on and no outs. Then he had to burn Lillibridge to run for him. You let Lillibridge hit there and run for himself and save Chipper just in case there is a situation to drive in some runs
Well, Dodger stadium is indeed awesome. Before I got married I used to go to games all the time, now I only go to Braves games. Three games I remember best:
1. Mike Piazza becoming only the second player to hit a home run completely out of the stadium link
2. Ismael Valdes throws a one hitter. link
Wilton Guerrero starting shortstop! The Dodgers were in a bit of a middle infield dry spell.
3. The Gary Sheffield game. link
So this game was a spur of the moment decision, so I only could get a ticket in the left field pavilion. That’s still a good seat and only like $8 bucks at the time. Anyway, Sheffield hits a homer in the third a few rows over my head which was pretty cool. Then in the eighth he hits another rocket which, from the moment it leaves his bat, is clearly coming right at me. So I put my scorecard down, stand up, and…step to one side allowing the ball to clang of the bench seat where I was sitting and into the hands of the folks behind me. A little embarrassing to be sure, but you remember the way Sheffield hits the ball, this thing was a laser and I don’t take a gl0ve.
The writer doesn’t investigate the fact that Frenchy’s power has disappeared
His ISO is about the same as it was last year, and (amazingly) his XBH% is quite a bit higher — 38% this year vs. 31% last year. He’s hitting less singles.
Then he had to burn Lillibridge to run for him. You let Lillibridge hit there and run for himself and save Chipper just in case there is a situation to drive in some runs
Nah, it’s the eighth, the bottom of the order probably isn’t getting up again might as well get him in there. That high leverage situation may never materialize. I’d rather use him too early than not at all. If there was a mistake it was not using a pitcher to run for him and keeping Lilli available for later. Not that he would have been a better option than Corky.
Escobar’s whining doesn’t bother me nearly as much as Francoeur griping about balls and strikes.
Ditto, Mac.
Most of all, yesterday, I was disappointed with errors.
I like Escobar. He was Mr. consistency in the lineup. I was very excited at that time when the Braves drafed him. As is often the case with Hispanic or Latino, I think he is a man of passion. I prefer this because he is professional. HAHAHA…
IMO, each national has its own peculiarities. Here is my story. I’ve had a lot of German classmates. They were too serious. They did speak english fluently but did speak German except for class. On top of that, they got along with themselves. Of course I have German friends. Generally my spanish friends were serious too. Both of them rarely smiled and often made contortions of the face. I know persons are different depend on personalities. But I realized that is a national trait. I’m not a chatterbox and I am a little shy. Thankfully they walked up to me and then we spent a good days. At first, I was afraid of leaving message here. Nevertheless I did. 🙂 I think Escobar’s language problem is not a big deal because we are the Braves. 🙂
This blog makes me feel a wave of nostalgia when I was infatuated with blogging. I rarely find this kind of Mac’s blog in western cyberspace. Music is always my friend. I enjoys all kinds of music. Even I listened reggae when I was in Sydney and Auckland. But I prefer Brit-Pop like Oasis, Blur, Radiohead,,,etc. Stirred memories of a simpler time. Cheers, Mac.
Escobar is out of the lineup today.
Cf Blanco
3b Gotay
2b Johnson
1b Teixiera
C McCann
Ss Infante
Rf Francoeur
Lf Jones
P Campillo
Nursing the injury or is Bobby pissed at him? Another not-bad lineup, considering what we’ve got to work with, although I’d of course switch Francoeur and Jones.
They’ll probably use the nursing the injury as the PA excuse, but the real reason I bet is the ejection last night.
That’s a long breather for the pitcher once you get past McCann until someone even mildly menacing comes up again.
BTW, what are the estimates as to what Ben Sheets and Adam Dunn will command per year this offseason?
If they each command $15 million per year, we could sign both of them, re-sign Teix at $20 million per, while having our payroll increase from roughly $90 million to roughly $100 million.
In 2009, that would give us a rotation of Sheets/Hudson/Jurrjens/Reyes/Campillo;
a lineup of
Yunel/KJ/Chipper/Teix/Dunn/McCann/Francoeur/Schafer;
a bullpen of
Soriano/Gonzalez/Moylan/Boyer/Ring/Bennett/Acosta;
and a bench of
Diaz/Infante/Blanco/Prado/Sammons
or something similar.
I’m just saying.
Brule, you had a lot of German classmates? Ah! Das deutschen klassenzimmer!
Stu, I would be shocked, shocked if Dunn stood to get as much as Tex, and frankly I’d rather have him. (Despite the much lower BA, Dunn actually has a higher career OBP.)
I’d guess Dunn could be had for 7/$120, Tex for 6/$120, and Sheets for 5/$85. (I’m thinking Sheets will get a Burnett-like deal, factoring in a little more inflation.)
Man, our outfield really does stink.
4 of our 8 position players are the back-ups today… it really is amazing we’ve not dropped more games than we have with as few of our “regulars” as we’ve been able to trot out regularly for a while now.
AAR, who else is out there waiting for Liberty’s money?
We won’t sign a big ticket free agent, but if we did it would have to be someone like Dunn who’s value isn’t well understood by all.
I like our rotation and pen, our middle infield and our catcher. Chipper’s best in the bigs when healthy.
Assuming Glavine, Hampton, Teixiera, and (please let me be wrong on this) Smoltz are gone or done, how much payroll have we obligated for 2009; and how much do we have to spend?
My only worry with someone like Dunn is that we’ll end up like the Dodgers with Andrew. Dunn would be a nice addition as he is now, but what if he regresses? He also doesn’t have any defensive skill to speak of.
Bethany, that’s a good point — Dunn does have prototypical “old player” skills, and those guys don’t age well. I’d imagine that he’d start to fall off in a hurry once he gets into his early 30’s. But he’s only 28, and he probably has another 5 seasons of very good production.
I’m all in favor of Stu’s proposal.
Sign Sheets
Sign Dunn
Sign Teix
Fix the glitch that still sends out Francoeur’s biweekly paycheck.
“Just a second there, Professor. We, uh, we fixed the glitch. So he won’t be receiving a paycheck anymore. So it’ll just work itself out naturally.”
“We always like to avoid confrontation whenever possible. The problem is solved from here on, then.”
Somebody hates us.
Didn’t the Braves have something like 8 million extra on the payroll this year? Or am I making that up?
Infante pulled a hammy.
This is insane.
Infante doubles and pulls up limping… sweet mother of mercy.
Cheers, Alex.
I only know German worlds “Ich liebe dich” , “Danke schon “. hahaha.
Wireless is unstable. Enjoy.
haha! of course!
Lillibridge looks too young to be in the College World Series.
Skip just called Brent Lillibridge “Derek Lilliquist” again — at least he caught himself after doing it the second time.
Infante….what next….maybe Lillibridge will have a big game…
This has to be some kind of record.
let’s go Frenchy.. earn your non-tendered contract
Tell me gameday is wrong it wasn’t an injury delay… did we lose another player? At this rate we’ll be playing all AA guys by the end of the year and Schaefer will get his shot.
Nice cut by Frenchy, excellent play by Counsell.
yes, Infante pulled his hamstring rounding first base on a double
@74
I always thought he said “the problem’s solved from your end”
Lillibridge barely looks old enough to play in the little league world series… MAN that kid looks young.
Apparently Counsell made a good play on a hard-hit Francoeur grounder that could have been a single.
I still blame him.
Well, if nothing else it takes Infante out of the game at SS, where over the past couple of games he has proven to play awful defense there
Jeff? Ground out to the shortstop?! Impossible!
I’m amazed it made it to the dirt
@90
yes
@this team
****gobblers!
P6
Let me get this straight, am I right in thinking our (essentially) rookie pitcher is the oldest guy we’ve got on the field today?
And a double off the glove of Lillibridge…
Someone needs to be fired. Several people need to be fired.
Tex-Thats some nice leather…
Infante update: right hamstring strain, “day-to-day,” though Skip speculates that he probably won’t be able to play tomorrow.
Also, Chipper will be limited to DH duties in Toronto.
I missed the double–should it have been an error on Lillibridge?
Who is the trianer? Why is he not being looked at along with TP for demotion or termination?
At this point Bobby gets to manage like an AL manager, because there’s no concern of waiting till the pitcher’s spot comes up. Everybody who isn’t a pitcher is hurt, or is hitting as bad or worse than one. So just pull the pitcher when you feel like it and put in another one to hit for him, doesn’t make any difference.
I missed the double–should it have been an error on Lillibridge?
It was hard hit, no one is going to give an error on it. Still, he could have had it.
How sad is it that I know the trainer is Jeff Porter without looking it up, just because I’ve seen him come on the field so often in the last few years? (this of course assumes they didn’t change trainers sometime that I missed).
Who is the trainer I mean…
can we have a do-over on the whole season? We weren’t ready, guys. Sorry!
Wish our regulars hit like Campillo just did.
Campillo would have been a better choice to hit last night than the Hamster.
Haha, we should have had Jorge hit instead of Corky last night.
“And a double off the glove of Lillibridge…
Someone needs to be fired. Several people need to be fired.”
Considering the vitriol that spews forth from the mouths of men here, that I would consider otherwise to be perfectly reasonable men, I would say the fact that this team is essentially playing .500 baseball is a testament to Bobby’s clubhouse.
If you think you’re frustrated, imagine how the players feel? We’ve got 3/5ths of our starting rotation out, starting 3b, starting ss, starting lf, starting cf, TWO utility IF’s out.
But they go out and play and tread water, and if they pouted half as much as we do, they’d be 25-50 right now.
At least Frenchy’s not going to hit into a double play here.
Good evening Sir, my name is Jeff. I come from a rough area. I used to be addicted to crack but now I am off it and trying to stay clean. That is why I am playing right field for the Atlanta Braves.
BTW two or three weeks ago, they did replace the strength and conditioning coach.
Hey, that’s what Jeff hasn’t done yet in his quest to prove that he’s not a major league baseball player — hit out of order!
SHUT UP ABOUT THE ALL-STAR GAME, YOU WANKERS.
Ohhhh that’s right jj… looks like it’s now Frank Fultz
JJ, I admit that I spew a fair amount of vitriol. Maybe you’re right that simply playing .500 baseball is an impressive achievement considering all the injuries we’ve suffered. For some reason, though, I feel it’s unacceptable that we’ve committed 9 errors in the past 5 games. Major league ballplayers, no matter how fringy, shouldn’t do that. That was the reason for my vitriol in that particular argument.
I think you mean bat out of order. He never hits, in any order.
Is it me or does Joe sound pissed off today?
Thanks Robert.
im under the impression that Jeff Porter is still around. Strength And Conditioning is a different title from Head Trainer. I don’t recall the name of the man who was fired.
Fultz was the guy who got fired I’m pretty sure
Thanks KJ.
KELLY!!!!
KJ!!
I nuv nu, Kelly!
YEAH KELLY!!!!!!!!!
Did anyone notice how that’s exactly the sort of thing we would do? You know, let the other team start a rally by giving up a hit to the pitcher?
Nice job Tex….Have we had a lead in this series?
AAR – Oh don’t get me wrong, I scream the screen like any self-respecting sportsfan. I just didn’t yell on that one. He was handcuffed, and just came in the game cold. (His first on-field action since he got he from Richmond, I believe.)
Infante kicking the ball around lately, Francoeur kicking the ball around, those plays really set me off.
But Lilly, I don’t think stood a chance there, playing up on the grass like that.
#121–Before that hit he sounded quietly disappointed and he may well again….
SHUT UP ABOUT THE ALL-STAR GAME, YOU WANKERS.
You would rather they talk about maple bats some more? How could Aaron Heilman be on that conference call?
Obviously, our expectations are still high because of the run of success. The fact is, the Braves now are just another team that will have some good years and some bad. Right now, the Brewers seem to be coming on, they have a good young core and are simply a better team–certainly better than the team the Braves have been forced to put out on the field recently.
But mediocrity is boring. Maybe Bobby does deserve credit for being .500. As a fan, though, it sucks.
JJ, that’s fair enough. I didn’t see the play. But our radio guys said that, though it was hit hard, it was something that he could have made a play on.
Also, I meant to say this earlier: hi, Lando! We don’t see you around here much any more…
By the way, getting to watch the Phillies lose 6 in a row has helped me keep my peace… I take heart by thinking “We’re trying to tread water until we get our pieces back. The Phillies are just LOSING.”
Milwaukee 2-6 hitters: 0-10, 5 K
Milwaukee 1, 7-9 hitters: 3-4, 2 RBI, 0 K
List of things Lillibridge can do to make himself look older than 18:
1.
2.
3.
seriously….. anything?
unfortunately none of my fantasy teams have Milwaukee’s 7-9 hitters.
First pitch popup…you are the man Jeff.
Lillibridge is still without a hit… he looks even younger than I imagined. Wonder if he needs a fake ID….
Way to go Frenchy….
I’ll be honest with you, I love his game, I do, I’m a Jeff Francoeur fan. For my money, it doesn’t get any better than when he swings and misses at a slider 2 feet off the plate.
Send his ass down already. This is ridiculous.
Lillibridge is still without a hit… he looks even younger than I imagined. Wonder if he needs a fake ID….
I like how they gave him the number 1, which somehow makes him look even smaller. I guess the commish’s office wouldn’t approve giving him 1/2 or 1/3 for a number.
RehabReject, let me take a stab:
1) Paint a menacing scar on his cheek
2) Glue on a full beard
3) Pour baby powder in his hair so it looks like it’s greying
wasn’t Prado using #1? … what are the rules on changing your number halfway through the season? (that’s if the Braves actually want Prado back on the active roster)
From Skip:
The Braves in one-run games: 4-20
The Brewers in one-run games: 17-6
Samir: No one in this country can ever pronounce my name right. It’s not that hard:
Samir Na-gheen-an-a-jar. Nagheenanajar.
Jeff Francoeur: Yeah, well at least your name isn’t Jeff Francoeur.
Jair: You know there’s nothing wrong with that name.
Jeff: There was nothing wrong with it… until I was about 12 years old and that no-talent ass clown became famous and started winning Gold Gloves.
Samir: Hmm… well why don’t you just go by Jeffrey instead of Jeff?
Jeff: No way. Why should I change? He’s the one who sucks.
I heard we lost Infante today. Any word on how bad it is?
haha, when is a scar on the cheek NOT menacing?
Jeff Francoeur : You see Bob, it’s not that I’m lazy, it’s that I just don’t care.
Bobby Cox: Don’t… don’t care?
Jeff: It’s a problem of motivation, all right? Now if I work my ass off and the pitchers throws a few extra pitches, I don’t see another dime, so where’s the motivation? And here’s another thing, I have eight different teammates who hit better than I do right now.
Bobby: Eight?
Jeff: Eight, Bob. So that means when I make a mistake, I have eight different people coming by to tell me about it. That’s my only real motivation is not to be hassled, that, and the fear of losing my job. But you know, Bob, that will only make someone work just hard enough not to get nontendered.
Well, Campillo is simply awesome. Feel good story of the year.
the sad thing is, the only people hitting with a higher average than Infante over the last 30 days is Tex, Chipper, and the other Jones
Parish, they’re saying Infante’s day-to-day, but our guys imagined that Infante probably wouldn’t be playing tomorrow considering the way he grabbed his leg.
Do you think Jorge Campillo could play outfield on the days he’s not pitching? I heard that worked for another guy named George.
Dix, I bow to you good sir
Love him, I can’t even believe it!
How did Campillo get a hit? Did he pull back the bunt and swing away?
Sorry – “watching” via Sportsline.
Some shotty defense from the Brewers this inning.
Dix, a little office space…not bad
Comedy gold, Dix.
How did Campillo get a hit? Did he pull back the bunt and swing away?
Yup.
Thanks, AAR and Robert.
Gotay is really picking up the breaking ball well here..
Stockman update: now for the season
30IP 10H 2ER 14BB 28K
maybe next year bud. Bobby Cox says “You’re a young kid, you need to pitch somewhere.”
guy i jinxed him.
guh, rather
Bobby just sneaked an f-bomb through the peachtree tv folks. Nicely done.
Dang, Gotay.
The camera was right on Bobby when he dropped that F-bomb. Awesome…
KELLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Frenchy should take tips from Gotay’s at-bat there — that was a really clutch strikeout in a double play situation.
Joe, Joe, Joe…
1. When you played, lighting was much worse than it is now.
2. When you played, you couldn’t hit under any conditions anyway.
See?
I can’t adequately describe how much I prefer having Brian up with the bases loaded to having Frenchy up with the bases loaded.
It’s sort of like the difference between eating ice cream and skinning my knee.
Can we have our getaway day blowout now?
Joe Simpson, career:
Day games: 611 OPS
Night games: 605 OPS
C’mon, B-Mac. Runner home from third was all we needed.
Ugh. So typical.
Brent Lillibridge, first pitch swinging.
I guess we can tell he’s been taking tips from Terry Pendleton!
No, you can not have blowout.
I was watching a game on peachtree tv with skip and joe (I think this was friday’s game) and they cut away to a commercial and I still heard joe and skip talking. Joe immediately started calling something in the CF area of the ballpark “crap” and they cut to birdseye views of Turner rather quickly. Skip also hated on the ESPN magazine for an inning.
Very disappointing.
Does anyone think that if Lillibridge had a mustache, he would look just like the older brother in Napolean Dynamite?
Lillibridge was a windmill before he got to Atlanta–but even if he looks 15 he certainly fits in….
the one thing that stood out from going through Joe’s stats is that his GS = 1/2 G
so basically, he was a platoon player when the platoon system hadn’t even been invented yet
The platoon system was invented around 1909. Joe isn’t that old. He didn’t play much because he was no good.
Brian, those who are tardy do not get fruit cup.
Campillo seems to have watched recent games and decided, “I better go 4 for 5 to have any chance at getting a win”.
Campillo can obviously throw, why can’t he be the backup catcher?
I gotta say, I like the idea of my starting pitcher getting 5 ABs.
If Infante goes on the DL who do the Braves call up? Diory Hernandez?
#189 – he then said I better get two hits, score a run or two and maybe even get an RBI if I need to win
Joe Simpson often takes pride in the fact that he was a “big tall player” in his day. That always gets a chuckle out of me.
and yeah Mac, he sucked. Agreed
So he takes two fastballs right down the middle…
Jeff Francoeur, “in play, no out”? Something must be wrong with GameDay.
…and then dribbles one through the right side. Miracle.
:ROLLSEYES:
Mac, how would Campillo catch himself?
He’s out now.
There are still some bugs to work out, but he’d have to be better than the Hamster.
Well we have our Frenchy highlight for the day….
I’m not going to complain when he gets on base. I’ll be shocked, but I wont complain
Oh, no, not Atrosta.
It would be cool if the Hamster never had another pinch hit appearance as long as Hudson, Jurrjens, Campillo… or pretty much any pitcher was available. I’m quite sure they’d all give a better chance at actually getting a hit/avoiding a double play.
Braves fan deli owner: What’s the score now, still 2-2?
Me: No, we’re winning 4-2, but Infante got hurt.
Deli owner: You mean that Chipper’s hurt and his backup are hurt now?
Me: Yup. Ridiculous, innit?
Deli owner: Pretty soon, they’re gonna have you & me out there. We have no players left!
BTW, he has a deli sandwich named after Larry Wayne Jones, Jr., called “The Chipper.” A bold move in Metland.
I like Campillo. In the MASH unit that the Braves have become, he’s really gone out there and gotten the job done.
Hell of a day by Campillo. 7 IP, 4 hits, 2 ER, 6 K, 0 BB. If he’s our 5th starter, guys, we ain’t doing too badly.
AAR – you’re missing his offensive stats there too
2 for 3 – 2 runs scored
Campy is the shit.
Apparently sunglasses are tested on animals or something.
Blanco could not be more helpless against lefties.
If he’s our 5th starter, guys, we ain’t doing too badly.
Starting pitching is the bright spot. Four of the five guys cost nothing.
Wow, we’ll have to say nice things about McDowell now. Seriously, the performance of Jurrjens, Campillo, and Morton speak well of him.
was Kelly’s almost a HR?
anyone know why Campy was taken out?
You know, Lando, I’m with you. I wouldn’t have thought I would ever let another player be called “Campy,” but I think Jorge Campillo has earned it.
was Kelly’s almost a HR?
Not really. Warning track. Easy catch.
csg, close but not that close.
thanks, Gamecast showed it past the wall
It’s hot and he’d done a lot of running — I expect he was just out of gas.
What is the deal with Boyer and the two out situations?
What is it with Rickie Weeks and triples off of Blaine Boyer?
Well, at least he got out of it.
Why would the Brewers even think of hitting Weeks leadoff?
Phew, Boyer’s Two Out Curse scared me for a while there.
We’ve absorbed those Brewers XBHs quite nicely.
You guys sound like a Seinfeld opening dialog. I can just here his voice saying
“What’s the deal with Boyer and the two out situations?”
3Ks? Off day for McCann… just not a restful sort of “off”
What’s the deal with Lillibridge and hitting doubles? Congratulations, Brent!
holy crap the bat boy got a hit!
Oh yeah, Congrats Brent!
I can honestly say I would rather have seen Hudson, Reyes or Campillo up there last night over Corky Miller.
This is officially hilarious.
Why is Frenchy being ealked?
The ultimate insult. I would rather pitch to you than Jeff Francouer.
Another ealk to Francoeur.
LMAO – and I never use that abbreviation.
You guys may call for Bobby to retire, but he’s not the guy who just had Frenchy intentionally walked.
searching for positives, Frenchy is now 3-10 with his new eyes, only 2K’s
Hey, Chipper!
Here’s a representation of the Braves’ season so far.
Wow, Yost is a moron.
We have 13 men left on base (cumulative counting)… and I’m not surprised we left them on, I’m just surprised we had that many guys on in the first place with the line-up we sent out.
I swear, I heard Chip say, “… And if I’m reading Ned Yost’s lips right, they’re going to walk Francoeur and pitch to Brandon Jones” and I spun around in my chair, shrieked “WHAT?!” and dribbled a mouthful of Diet Coke onto my shirt.
On another note, it seems like “abbreviation” should be a shorter word.
If Infante has to go to the DL, the Braves would have to move Smoltz or somebody to the 60 day DL to make room for Diory.
And THAT’S for that strike call on McCann!
Does Yost not have any kind of current scouting/stats on Frankenstein?
According to Gameday, the two balls on Chipper have both been pretty much down the middle.
Nah, they were high.
Yost is crazy for playing it this way.
Parish, are you saying that the word “abbreviation” is excessively sesquipedalian?
Norton in LF?
Hmmm…
But strike 3 wasn’t
Wow…… how does chipper take that pitch? Crazy.
Strike three well outside according to GameDay. Crap.
who’s pitching?
AAR – well, I’m going to have to look that up.
i ask because gameday is going slow on me
Looked pretty darn close. Way too close to take.
Do we really need another util infielder? Doesnt Norton play 3rd and 1st also? I would like to see Perry or Anderson get called up. Can Diory play 3rd anyways?
is gonzalez in for their 3-4-5?
Wait…why exactly did Chipper pinch-hit for Brandon Jones? I don’t understand. Or did Gameday get the order wrong? Did they announce Chipper before Mota was brought in?
nevermind, it caught itself up
Dang. Here we go…
(Sesquipedalian basically means “a big word” or “someone who uses big words.”)
If they start talking about maple bats again, Aunt Jemima is going to call in a hit.
If someone put out a hit on Jeff Francoeur, would they miss?
Francoeur has certainly assassinated this season.
I dont understand all the Frenchy bashing he’s got 3 hits in his last 2 games. (kidding)
Hey, a win. Yippee.
Yeah!! Gonzo!
Gonzo f-ring rocks!
Woo hoo! Braves win. We’re still only 4 games out, and one of these days we’ll have our good players back in the lineup!
Huzzah.
Gonzo must have looked good
Hooray! Thank you, Adam LaRoche!
We won?
We won!
[Spoken in a cheesy DJ voice…]
And I wanna give a big shout-out and a big backslap to… Missss-ter… Jorge… Campill-ll-ll-o!
Gonzo was a little wild with some fastballs, but his slider looked real sharp.
Gonzo must have looked good
I dont now.. I think he look really weird out there. Looks like he need to go to the bathroom or something
So who is going to be the back-up catcher? Obviously Bobby has figured Corky is garbage….Remember he was suppose to be Campy personal catcher.
Recap is up.
I can’t see how Sammons could possibly be any worse, it’s not liked Corky has looked like some kind of defensive wiz out there.
And calling the game for Campillo seems to be just alternating curves and change-ups.