My first wonder is the odds of this thing getting rained out. A ton of rain in the southeast today, inches and inches of rain in places in west Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi.
Kyle B
on June 19, 2007 at 2:14 pm
I’ve never seen or heard a full band version of Atlantic City. Nice Goin’ Mac.
Cowbell + Tambourine = Unstoppable.
doubledawg
on June 19, 2007 at 2:18 pm
I guess I missed this yesterday when I was working hard, but does anyone think Leo will return? Maybe the next poll question should be where will Leo end up? I cant think of one Braves pitcher that has improved during McDowell’s time here.
Doubledawg, I think Cliff’s comment in the last thread (#149) might give you at least one answer.
Peter Moylan–who the hell knew?–has been fantastic for us this year. And Kali Yates has actually been having a very good campaign as well.
doubledawg
on June 19, 2007 at 2:28 pm
I think Moylan is more healthy than improved. He did a heck of a job in the WBC against big leaguers, thats why he’s out of the ‘bush’ leagues.
Yates has gas. Gas is like height in basketball, you cant teach it. A guy that throws like yates does, was bound to get people out.
But, even if you give Roger Dodger credit for those 2, we have not seen any improvement, rather decline, from all of our young starting pitching as the season moves on.
“Atlantic City” is my favorite Springsteen song, though I thought about dedicating “Glory Days” to Schilling.
Stu
on June 19, 2007 at 2:35 pm
I don’t know about decline, other than maybe McBride, but there certainly hasn’t been much improvement.
As I’ve said before, I have no idea how much of that is attributable to McDowell. James strikes me as a what-you-see-is-what-you-get pitcher—that is, he’s not really capable of being much better than what he’s shown. Davies strikes me as Andruw-like in his insistence on doing this his way.
I honestly have no idea who’s at fault, though it wouldn’t crush me to see McDowell replaced.
RobBroad4th
on June 19, 2007 at 2:42 pm
Smoltz speaks very highly of McDowell so I don’t think he’s going anywhere soon.
Nick
on June 19, 2007 at 2:58 pm
It hasn’t rained here yet, but I just looked at the radar and it’s like a county away. Who know how long it’ll last once it gets here. To use the NFL injury system, I would rate the chances of a game today as questionable.
Nick
on June 19, 2007 at 3:00 pm
And no, before anyone becomes a smart ass, that’s not a John Abraham “we’re gonna list him as questionable for the first half of the season to cheat the system even though everyone and their mother knows he’s not gonna play” questionable…that’s an actual questionable.
Mac,
I’m right there with you on “Atlantic City.” Nobody can quite write songs about dreams realized and/or broken like Springsteen. (Glad he lost that ’80s headband, though—he was beginning to look like the singer from Loverboy.)
I’ve had to produce a DJ convention in AC for the past decade-plus & it’s become an annual ritual for me to plop myself onto a bar stool at the Irish Pub on New York Avenue & play that song—the “Nebraska” version, of course. It’s never left the jukebox.
And yes, the band version is always terrific. Danny Federici’s the man on that one.
Stu
on June 19, 2007 at 3:21 pm
That’s the Springsteen song fellow Jersey boy Pete Yorn generally covers at his shows, if that’s any indication of its place among his fans.
Nebraska–boy, what a great album. There’s no reason it should work, just a set of bedroom tapes he decided to release, but it’s absolutely incredible.
Also, Steven van Zandt, E Street Band guitarist, Silvio Dante on the Sopranos, DJ of Little Steven’s Underground Garage, and best friend that rock and roll could ever have, is a wonderful, wonderful person. They oughta give him a medal or something.
Alex R.
on June 19, 2007 at 3:30 pm
Mark Bradley is an idiot and one of my least favorite AJC Columnists:
Springsteen actually recorded the “Nebraska” material with the band, but it just didn’t seem right to him (no kidding).
At the time, I could imagine “Open All Night” with the E Streeters, but not much else. Still, it includes one of my fave lines: “This Turnpike sure is spooky at
night when you’re all alone.”
Anyone who’s been there knows exactly what he means.
My main problem with this is instead of focusing his column in the AJC on the Braves thrashing Curt Schilling and the Red Sox, he’s instead focusing on how lame some Braves fans may be not showing up.
It’s one thing for us as a bunch of bloggers to be negative after a win about say Andruw and his amazingly craptastic numbers, but it’s another thing for this kind of column after we whip the best team in Baseball. We need the columnists to do better.
doubledawg
on June 19, 2007 at 3:47 pm
I agree with Bradley about the lack of turnout being a real bummer. I know this isnt the forum, but the transportation decisions made by the city of atlanta and DOT are a big problem. If a braves fan anywhere within 20 miles of the city could take a train into downtown atlanta, switch over to marta, and arrive at the stadiums front door in less than an hour, you’d see a lot more fans. I’d rather eat dog crap than take the MArta train/bus combo. Between being forced through underground to waiting for the bus after the game, its miserable. The alternative of driving in connector traffic only to face a 30 minute cluster f**k in the parking lot after the game is the lesser of two evils.
Why on gods green earth they didnt run a marta spur to the stadium during the olympics is beyond me. I live a mile from lenox, if I could walk down there and hop a train straight to the stadium, I’d be much more willing to hit more weeknight games. Otherwise, its once a month and weekends.
doubledawg
on June 19, 2007 at 3:52 pm
Ububba,
Speaking of bedroom taping and NJ artist, you ever listen to East River Pipe?
You don’t want to get me started on MARTA, DD. I’ve complained about this for years, even before the Underground crap started. Not that I can afford to drive to Atlanta these days anyway. (Someone should check on the attendance for “regional” franchises — the Braves, Cards, Rockies, Mariners — since the gas spike.)
Hanan
on June 19, 2007 at 3:54 pm
Doubledawg…you hit the nail on the head regarding attendance. I am going to the game tomorrow, yet I am dreading trying to get down there to the stadium, and that is just from Buckhead. I can imagine the hassle of coming from the outer burbs on 400 or 85.
I went 2 weeks ago to a Marlins game with about 25,000 and it the traffic downtown was atrocious. I can imagine the hassle tomorrow. It would also be nice if there were some bars or restaurants down around the stadium to hang out in if you chose to go early and beat the traffic, but no luck there either.
Mike
on June 19, 2007 at 3:58 pm
The main band of rain is heading south of Atlanta, so the game will be a go tonight.
Beckett v. Hudson…should be a good matchup. Beckett’s numbers against Atlanta are very strange. According to ESPN, he is 5-7 with a 2.82 ERA career against the Bravos.
Hudson, as evidenced by his last start against the BoSox, has been roughed up by Boston.
Hopefully, we will get the good clutch hitting again tonight. Thorman and McCann seem to be breaking out of his funk. Who knows, maybe with the apparent platoon situation Thor is facing again, he will relax and start hitting again.
Edgar and Chipper are tearing it up.
Tough, tough matchup. However, you gotta like the matchup in Flushing tonight…Santana v. Sosa.
csg
on June 19, 2007 at 4:06 pm
whats the deal with Sosa, is Peterson that good at turning these guys around or is it their defense? Sosa sucks and he needs to come back to his ATL form
While I agree that a stadium train stop would have made a lot of sense, I don’t really mind the walk to and from the GSU MARTA station. It would be difficult if you had a small child with you, but otherwise it’s a 3/4 mile stroll with a bunch of other baseball fans — not the worst situation in the world.
Tom
on June 19, 2007 at 4:08 pm
Here’s a Springsteen video for the Boston Red Sox:
noah
on June 19, 2007 at 4:10 pm
“Springsteen actually recorded the “Nebraska” material with the band, but it just didn’t seem right to him (no kidding).”
Yeah, supposedly there’s an “electric” Nebraska out there.
AC works with the whole band…I don’t think a song like “State Trooper” would.
A sports columnist’s job is to take a stance & foment discussion, not play cheerleader. The beat writer can tell us what happened at the game.
From what I can tell, there were varying ideas on the number of Sawx fans & their level of volume, etc. But that was his experience, and that’s fine.
Braves fans don’t always show up. We know that. I’m not going to shoot the messenger. What can you do?
Ethan
on June 19, 2007 at 4:14 pm
My whole problem with the attendance is that so many other cities would kill for an organization like the Braves. I moved from Atlanta to Kansas City a couple of years ago and it boggles my mind that the Royals still draw as well as they do with the garbage they have put on the field the last decade.
When I saw the Red Sox crowd at the game last night, it reminded me of St. Louis fans when the Cards play in interleague every year. However, the Braves are definitely not the Royals. If the Royals had half the success of the Braves, Kauffman would sell out almost every game. (BTW, Dayton is doing a helluva job from the ground up. Watch for the Royals in a couple of years)
I know there are a lot of mitigating circumstances, but being in KC has given me a new perspective on how the other side lives, and we’ve still got it pretty good.
Nick
on June 19, 2007 at 4:15 pm
You actually make a pretty good point, doubledawg, much better than the standard whining about ticket prices and the team not earning the hard-earned money, blah blah blah, that is the standard BS reason. The ticket prices are actually really affordable as long as you sit in the upper deck and this “the team isn’t earning my money” is pure hogwash.
The fast is that Atlanta is a terrible sports town. None of these excuses mean anything for a town that is worth a shit. I would be willing to bet that a greater number of those people cheering for the Red Sox than any of us can possibly fathom had no connection to Boston whatsoever. They just root for the Red Sox because it’s the “cool thing to do.” It’s actually sickening. And when people do show up, they do something incredibly infuriating like cheer for the Diamondbacks the last four innings of Randy Johnson’s perfect game. This is a town with no sports IQ whatsoever.
The Braves and all Atlanta teams (yes, even the Hawks) do have fans that are just as loyal as any other city or team (if not moreso, in some cases). The problem is they get overshadowed by these assholes who go to the ballgame just to be seen. This is not a freaking neutral venue. This is the home field of the Atlanta Braves. It really is starting to get embarrassing, in my opinion.
doubledawg,
Isn’t that East River Pipe guy kinda like a Robert Pollard-type? Don’t have any of the records, though.
sansho,
I never minded that walk from the MARTA station one bit, to be honest. Fact is, I used to drive 100 miles from Columbus or 60 miles from Athens to go to games. Nothing has ever kept me from going.
doubledawg
on June 19, 2007 at 4:28 pm
Agreed, the walk over isnt that bad, but its nothing like taking the Green line to Fenway.
Also, the marta option only includes a very small percentage of the metro area. Anyone coming from OTP might as well be driving from Birmingham. If you leave Alpharetta at 5:30pm, you’ll be lucky to crawl past Nerd-U by 7pm, forget making the first pitch. Also, that assumes you can make it home from work and be ready to leave by 6pm.
So, for the average family of braves fans in the Atlanta area to attend tonights game, the parenst will have to work a half-day, get home, pack the kids, and drive down to the stadium arriving by 3:30pm. Where you get to sit amongst a hectare of black ashpalt and wait until the gates open. I know, it sounds so great, I may get a flex pack tomorrow.
So, if you go ahead and remove the population outside the ROTA (Reasonable Opportunity To Attend)Area, then account for the impoverished part of the city, then subtract the carpet baggers, and the Braves drawing 20,000 on a weeknight is pretty darn impressive.
I think there’s an interesting story to be explored here (w/rt the fan situation in Atlanta.) It would probably involve such concepts and demographics and a discussion of our transient nature.
However, finding this story would involve some , you know, actual reporting. Sports reporters continually remind me that they are not journalists, and Bradley’s latest column is just another example.
Rob
on June 19, 2007 at 4:36 pm
Driving in from Alpharetta isn’t near as hard as you think it is, doubledawg…
I live in Alpharetta and make it in about an hour and a half if I take MARTA and usually around an hour to an hour and a half if I leave at the right times (usually around 2-3 hours before game time).
I don’t even think MARTA is that bad, either. The only somewhat bad part is getting on the buses after the game to go back to Five Points, but as long as you leave right after the final out and walk quickly, you can be on a train headed back home within 20 minutes of the game ending.
doubledawg
on June 19, 2007 at 4:39 pm
Ububba,
Both write short pop songs, with good riffs and some off the wall lyrics by the dozen, but the overall sound is different. ERP is more Robert Pollard crossed with Stephen Merrit. He records all of his stuff at home and supposedly works at Home Depot somewhere in Jersey.
I’ll listen to ERP on a long drive or bike ride when wanting to relax.
Whereas, GBV makes me think more of sweating out PBR faster than I can drink it at 40-Watt and narrowly avoiding arrest.
Rob
on June 19, 2007 at 4:40 pm
I meant to say “usually around an hour to an hour and a half [i]driving[/i] if I leave at the right times (usually around 2-3 hours before game time).
Sports columnists are not reporters. They are opinion writers.
Bradley does make a very valid point, which is: Attendance-wise, the Braves were ultra-hot before 1994, but they’re not now. Nothing kept them from the games then.
I remember going to a Cards-Braves game in August of 1993 and you couldn’t get a ticket. That hasn’t been the case in a very long time.
doubledawg
on June 19, 2007 at 4:44 pm
Rob,
I think your missing the forrest on this one.
1.5 hours on a good night is not exactly convinient for a 7pm weeknight game. Especialy if you have to travel from atlanta to alpharetta to get home and pick up the family. Assuming you get on at Northridge, you are looking at another hour plus to get home. Not too great for a worknight.
I hear you: The only time I’ve ever pissed in public on a Manhattan street was after a GBV gig in the West Village. My unending apologies to the locals, but it had to be done.
And “69 Love Songs” is an all-time fave.
JoshQ
on June 19, 2007 at 4:54 pm
I am one of those Braves fans who became a fan growing up watching them on TBS. So, for me getting to go to games only happens on a vacation. I’ve always been baffled at just how crappy the attendance has been during the week and until now had never heard of transportation being the reason. Most of the time you hear that ATL is a town made up of people who moved there, so there is no sports loyalty. I think that could be partially true, but I as a fan have been bummed by the sight of only 16,000 fans at a weeknight ballgame. There just isn’t something that makes sense. If the Braves did not have a competitive team, then I could understand. The barren stadium on weeknights just doesn’t seem acceptable.
Hanan
on June 19, 2007 at 5:11 pm
JoshQ…as an Atlanta suburbanite I can tell you that I would attend more games if it weren’t such a chore getting there. I think I speak for many in that regard. When you weigh the option of spending > $100 to take the family down there, fighting through traffic each way, the option of just watching the game on TV seems more appealing. I try to go to 4 or 5 games a year, but after working all day i just don’t feel like getting the family together and trudging downtown, especially during school season.
Trace
on June 19, 2007 at 5:17 pm
Why is it a problem to cheer for a pitcher with a perfect game going? That is a once in a life time thing. I wish I could see a perfect game no matter who is pitching.
david15
on June 19, 2007 at 5:17 pm
How was GBV live? That’s one band I really wish I would have seen live while I had the chance.
Short answer: Either unbelievably transcendent or soggy & messy. Either way, you were going to get anywhere from 40 to 60 songs, all very short, all very punchy.
The best GBV Era, IMO, was up through 1995, the “Alien Lanes” time.
ryan c
on June 19, 2007 at 5:25 pm
increase attendance, increase payroll. if attendance decreases, what happens to the payroll? i cant do much about it, but i was embarassed watching the game the other night and hearing the bosox get a bigger applause than our braves. our fans need to cowboy up. i know mac’s philosophy on attendance, but when your as good of a team as atlanta has been for the past 15 years, and you rank 10th in the nl in home attendance, that sux. i think it has to do with the typical “southerner” being genuinely more lazy than other areas of the nation (louisiana, mississippi, and alabama are extremely fat states, and i have lived in 2 of the 3) and would just rather watch the game pantless, in the a.c., and sippin’ a brew that doesnt cost 8 bucks. btw, lineup is the same tonight.
david15
on June 19, 2007 at 5:29 pm
heh, I think I know what you mean. It seems like the kind of band where the quality of the show depends if they had just the right amount or too much.
david15,
That’s kinda true. Part of it seemed to be if they were drinking liquor or beer. If I saw the band come out and start passing the bottle of Jack, I’d think, “Uh-oh, this could be a long night.”
Otherwise, GBV was very famous for having their beer cooler right there onstage behind Uncle Bob.
david15
on June 19, 2007 at 5:57 pm
Sounds like you saw them quite a bit. Good stuff.
Adam
on June 19, 2007 at 6:09 pm
“Game of Pricks” is like a long-lost British Invasion hit. Great band, great little run of albums.
i’ve never found the marta option that bad even when we have taken the train from 400. it was worth the extra time to not pay for parking and be stuck in traffic. granted i would not want to have to go home, grab children and deal with everything but that’s why i don’t have kids. 😉
ultimately, i think many atlanta fans, both local and regional, are just fine with watching the game on tv. the braves have had all their games on the tube for ever, so going to a braves game is more of an occation, and in the south those tend to happen on the weekend.
joshtothemaxx
on June 19, 2007 at 6:27 pm
Haha. Carlos Beltran just air mailed one to put the Twins up 1-0.
joshtothemaxx
on June 19, 2007 at 6:28 pm
Aaaaaand 2-0. I want to see Tyner hit a home run SO BAD.
Adam,
Funny, “Game of Pricks” (the 7-inch version, not the one from “Bee Thousand”) is my favorite GBV tune.
David15,
Next to Elvis Costello & any number of Athens groups, I’ve seen GBV more than any other band—probably 25 times. Even when they kinda began to fizzle, I kept going—which makes me no better than a Deadhead, actually. I’m better now.
Off to the city. Go Huddy.
Adam
on June 19, 2007 at 6:39 pm
4-0. Heh, our old buddy KJL walked Santana. Wait, now it’s 5-0. I hope Huddy can scratch out one decent start against the Sox.
Chuck G
on June 19, 2007 at 6:48 pm
According to Wikipedia, Atlanta’s metro area is the world’s 57th largest. Metro areas bigger than us with MLB teams are (in order) NYC, LA, Chicago, Dallas, Philly, Toronto, Houston, Miami, and DC. Which means that, on a per-capita basis, we ought to be about 11th or 12th in MLB attendance. (NYC and LA are two-team areas but have more than double the population of Atlanta metro. The other two-teamer, Chicago, has less than double but it’s close.)
We’re currently 15th. Given where we stand in the population game, that’s not too far off, considering the aforementioned public transportation problems and the stadium stuck out in the middle of nowhere. (Also, the stadium’s relatively huge, which makes good crowds appear small sometimes.)
I personally think the attendance issue needs it’s own thread.
The point being, I have always been of the opinion that “Braves Nation” is just as strong as the Cubs, Cards, etc., maybe not as strong as the Sox or Yanks, but definately as strong as the Cubs and such. It doesn’t receive nearly as much play, but when the Braves go on the road, there are places that they play where there are just as many Braves fans there as there are the home team. It just looks bad when the Sox/Cubs come in and ESPN makes a big deal out of it, and let’s face it, Sox/Yanks fans are more vocal and obnoxious, thus they get noticed more.
Being from New Mexico, I make two trips to see the Braves every year. Once to Denver and one to Phoenix. I can tell you since the Rockies have been in existance, there are just as many Braves fans at those games as there are Rockies fans. Same thing goes for the DBacks.
If you look at merchandising sales, the Braves are constantly in the Top 10 every year. Obviously part of that is due to the rappers from the ATL buying Braves stuff, but that’s only part of it.
I hesitate to ask, but did it seem to anyone that both Boston players should have been safe there, that Edgar threw before he got the bag and still didn’t get it to first in time?
joshtothemaxx
on June 19, 2007 at 7:04 pm
Manny needs a shoulder mounted laser cannon then. And nice play by Edgar even if he threw it before he touched 2nd.
joshtothemaxx
on June 19, 2007 at 7:05 pm
Haha. Braves announcers totally just showed how the umps blew BOTH of those calls.
Alex R.
on June 19, 2007 at 7:05 pm
Honestly, we should have better attendence but people’s points about the location of Turner Field to most fans who could afford to go, isn’t very goood, and the city of Atlanta has done nothing to really rebuild the area around Turner to ignite a big movement over there.
Living in the DC area, I am easily able to attend Nats, Wizards and Capitals games because I work downtown D.C. (though I live in Alexandria) so it’s easy for me to hop on the Metro (which everyone uses here, unlike say a Marta) & head to a Hockey, Basketball or Baseball game.
But I have been to one Redskins game since moving to D.C. in November of 2000. Even when the Falcons came I didn’t go. Why? Because even taking the Metro isn’t good enough.
Not only did little general Daniel Snyder put this team out in the complete hood of Maryland, PG County, but you not only have to take a long Metro ride, but then have to hop a bus after that to get to the Stadium. Or you could choose 2 hours up and 2 hours back of traffic. Your call.
Yes, the Redskins are an overpriced (ticket wise) bad NFL franchise that still fills its stadium, because the fans here are die hards, but since I am not a Redskins fan, just an NFL, I am not going to pay insane prices to go through that kind of hell to get to FedEx Field for a team I don’t even like or care about.
As for the Braves, there are still a few million Georgia native fans that we should draw better…despite Marta, the location and all the transient fans.
Alex R.
on June 19, 2007 at 7:06 pm
The good news on the Andruw at bat: he made contact!
Well, I guess it’s better to have a Connect 4 tourney over a chug contest in the Cardinals clubhouse–right?
Big D
on June 19, 2007 at 7:23 pm
Twins leading the Mets 7-0 now. Sosa pulled after 3.1 and giving up 8 hits, 2 walks, and 7 runs. Maybe he’s finally back to his true self. Let’s win tonight and pull to within a half game.
david15
on June 19, 2007 at 7:24 pm
And Santana has thrown 36 pitches through four innings with no strikeouts.
Mr Swings @ Everything
on June 19, 2007 at 7:45 pm
To me, the worst thing about the Atlanta attendance situation is that the few fans that do attend suck. For years the so called Braves fans booed one of the greatest players in our franchise’s history everytime he came back to town. I’m sure it’s only stopped now because no one remembers who Glavine is anymore. When I look at the people sitting around me, at least half of them just sit and stare at the jumbtron at all times. Zeus, please strike that thing with lightning.
Stu
on June 19, 2007 at 7:47 pm
Now, I’m firmly on the don’t-boo-Glavine side now, but your point isn’t very strong. The Red Sox—widely considered to have great fans—have booed Clemens ever since he left town, too.
Mr Swings @ Everything
on June 19, 2007 at 7:48 pm
Earl Weaver should replace Bobby Cox.
Robert
on June 19, 2007 at 7:49 pm
Way to make him work boys.
david15
on June 19, 2007 at 7:49 pm
It’s innings like that one after which I want to punch Terry Pendleton in the jaw.
Stu
on June 19, 2007 at 7:50 pm
Terry’s not in the batter’s box.
Mr Swings @ Everything
on June 19, 2007 at 7:50 pm
If Red Sox fans jump off a bridge, does that mean you should too? 🙂
Nasa from france
on June 19, 2007 at 7:50 pm
Do you guys think we can trade Andruw and an autograph from JS for Ned Yost?
david15
on June 19, 2007 at 7:51 pm
Cito Gaston should replace Cox. Or maybe Jimy Williams and then replace him with Gaston. It worked once.
RobBroad4th
on June 19, 2007 at 7:52 pm
That was a painful inning. We looked like such pushovers.
jea
on June 19, 2007 at 7:52 pm
McCann’s been swinging at that first pitch quite a bit recently too: it’s not just Francouer and Andruw.
david15
on June 19, 2007 at 7:52 pm
True, Stu, which means his jaw won’t be somewhat bothering him in his next at bat.
Stu
on June 19, 2007 at 7:52 pm
Well, that doesn’t have much to do with defining “good fans”, does it?
kc
on June 19, 2007 at 7:53 pm
The good news is…the magic of Jorge Sosa is officially…OVER!!!
tommy made his choice, and went with the union. i really liked him as a brave, but he lost some serious points with me. personally i wouldn’t waste the energy booing him.
timmy is getting shelled.
RobBroad4th
on June 19, 2007 at 7:54 pm
Andruw needs a hug.
Mr Swings @ Everything
on June 19, 2007 at 7:58 pm
Booing any player that leaves town because the management of the team no longer wants him is bad fan behavior to me.
Alex R.
on June 19, 2007 at 7:58 pm
The commentators are talking about what a short stint Hudson had in the dugout. No time to catch his breath.
Let’s see, who was at bat last inning…Druw, Frenchy…
Yeah, that’s about right.
RobBroad4th
on June 19, 2007 at 7:59 pm
At least Frenchy won’t be hitting .198 by the end of the week.
david15
on June 19, 2007 at 7:59 pm
Hit that bastard again, Ortiz.
Alex R.
on June 19, 2007 at 8:00 pm
Re: Glavine
I have also firmly stated I will never boo one of my all time favorite Braves.
What’s more, I once had the pleasure in the Summer of 95 of spending about 30 minutes with my dad and one other Braves fan, talking with Glavine. Just sitting down and having a great Baseball dicussion.
As a Braves fan, a Baseball fan, I will never forget it. It was also later that same year that Tommy started the Game 6 vs. the Indians that won us our only World Series during this run.
I thought he should have been given the walk there. Anyway, let’s just stop this game now. The Braves aren’t going to come back and someone might get hurt.
Stu, I guess it’s because every time I’m watching, Villarreal is like Kyle Davies with worse stuff–no command, and bad things just seem to happen. Maybe it’s sort of like how a watched pot never boils.
Okay, there’s the delay. I’m going to give it an hour then I’m going to bed, so morning recap.
Frank
on June 19, 2007 at 9:21 pm
at least tonight’s offensive futility is at the hands of a good pitcher instead of some Marlins AAA player or a Nat
david15
on June 19, 2007 at 9:40 pm
When Joe says Francoeur is being too aggressive there’s probably something wrong.
dan
on June 19, 2007 at 9:45 pm
jesus… jon sciambi talking about myspace. he does look like the kind of guy that would spend time on myspace hitting up young girls with raunchy messages.
joshtothemaxx
on June 19, 2007 at 9:55 pm
Nice hustle there Kelly.
joshtothemaxx
on June 19, 2007 at 9:56 pm
And I’m kind of excited to see Okajima pitch. He’s been lights out this year. Let’s see if Willie and the heart can’t get something going.
can’t wait for Andruw to come up in this inning and try to redeem himself
dan
on June 19, 2007 at 10:04 pm
BAAAH! .. that was pretty well hit. Damn it.
doubledawg
on June 19, 2007 at 10:05 pm
I boo’d glavine when he first came back and I really dont regret it. As much as he did for the Braves, it still stung to see him sign with our division rival. The money wasnt that much different that he couldn’t have chosen to stay with the Braves and do something special like SMoltz. So, while smoltz, often the 3rd man, has risen to god-like status amongst Braves fans, glavine has chosen to live alone, in a NY apartment, 1,000 miles from his family. After you factor in taxes and cost of living, Tom probably only netted a few million bucks extra.
I dont boo him now, but if he had stayed in Atlanta, he’d have passed 300 and done it in a Braves uniform.
david15
on June 19, 2007 at 10:05 pm
Crap, but why was he in the game instead of Edgar anyway? I hate it when Bobby gives up on fairly close games.
From the official site: “Your body is going follow your brain,” Chipper Jones said. “If your brain is thinking left-field seats, that’s where your body is going to go. Until [Andruw] gets to the point where he gets his brain driving the ball through the center-field wall, he’s going to struggle.”
My first wonder is the odds of this thing getting rained out. A ton of rain in the southeast today, inches and inches of rain in places in west Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi.
I’ve never seen or heard a full band version of Atlantic City. Nice Goin’ Mac.
Cowbell + Tambourine = Unstoppable.
I guess I missed this yesterday when I was working hard, but does anyone think Leo will return? Maybe the next poll question should be where will Leo end up? I cant think of one Braves pitcher that has improved during McDowell’s time here.
Doubledawg, I think Cliff’s comment in the last thread (#149) might give you at least one answer.
Peter Moylan–who the hell knew?–has been fantastic for us this year. And Kali Yates has actually been having a very good campaign as well.
I think Moylan is more healthy than improved. He did a heck of a job in the WBC against big leaguers, thats why he’s out of the ‘bush’ leagues.
Yates has gas. Gas is like height in basketball, you cant teach it. A guy that throws like yates does, was bound to get people out.
But, even if you give Roger Dodger credit for those 2, we have not seen any improvement, rather decline, from all of our young starting pitching as the season moves on.
“Atlantic City” is my favorite Springsteen song, though I thought about dedicating “Glory Days” to Schilling.
I don’t know about decline, other than maybe McBride, but there certainly hasn’t been much improvement.
As I’ve said before, I have no idea how much of that is attributable to McDowell. James strikes me as a what-you-see-is-what-you-get pitcher—that is, he’s not really capable of being much better than what he’s shown. Davies strikes me as Andruw-like in his insistence on doing this his way.
I honestly have no idea who’s at fault, though it wouldn’t crush me to see McDowell replaced.
Smoltz speaks very highly of McDowell so I don’t think he’s going anywhere soon.
It hasn’t rained here yet, but I just looked at the radar and it’s like a county away. Who know how long it’ll last once it gets here. To use the NFL injury system, I would rate the chances of a game today as questionable.
And no, before anyone becomes a smart ass, that’s not a John Abraham “we’re gonna list him as questionable for the first half of the season to cheat the system even though everyone and their mother knows he’s not gonna play” questionable…that’s an actual questionable.
Mac,
I’m right there with you on “Atlantic City.” Nobody can quite write songs about dreams realized and/or broken like Springsteen. (Glad he lost that ’80s headband, though—he was beginning to look like the singer from Loverboy.)
I’ve had to produce a DJ convention in AC for the past decade-plus & it’s become an annual ritual for me to plop myself onto a bar stool at the Irish Pub on New York Avenue & play that song—the “Nebraska” version, of course. It’s never left the jukebox.
And yes, the band version is always terrific. Danny Federici’s the man on that one.
That’s the Springsteen song fellow Jersey boy Pete Yorn generally covers at his shows, if that’s any indication of its place among his fans.
Nebraska–boy, what a great album. There’s no reason it should work, just a set of bedroom tapes he decided to release, but it’s absolutely incredible.
Also, Steven van Zandt, E Street Band guitarist, Silvio Dante on the Sopranos, DJ of Little Steven’s Underground Garage, and best friend that rock and roll could ever have, is a wonderful, wonderful person. They oughta give him a medal or something.
Mark Bradley is an idiot and one of my least favorite AJC Columnists:
http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/ajc/sportscolumns/entries/2007/06/18/local_fans_dont.html
The worst part is he asked Jeff Francouer…who just a few months ago, was shown to have grown up in Lilburn, Georgia, a Red Sox fan.
Springsteen actually recorded the “Nebraska” material with the band, but it just didn’t seem right to him (no kidding).
At the time, I could imagine “Open All Night” with the E Streeters, but not much else. Still, it includes one of my fave lines: “This Turnpike sure is spooky at
night when you’re all alone.”
Anyone who’s been there knows exactly what he means.
Mark me down as a big Mark Bradley fan.
ububba-
My main problem with this is instead of focusing his column in the AJC on the Braves thrashing Curt Schilling and the Red Sox, he’s instead focusing on how lame some Braves fans may be not showing up.
It’s one thing for us as a bunch of bloggers to be negative after a win about say Andruw and his amazingly craptastic numbers, but it’s another thing for this kind of column after we whip the best team in Baseball. We need the columnists to do better.
I agree with Bradley about the lack of turnout being a real bummer. I know this isnt the forum, but the transportation decisions made by the city of atlanta and DOT are a big problem. If a braves fan anywhere within 20 miles of the city could take a train into downtown atlanta, switch over to marta, and arrive at the stadiums front door in less than an hour, you’d see a lot more fans. I’d rather eat dog crap than take the MArta train/bus combo. Between being forced through underground to waiting for the bus after the game, its miserable. The alternative of driving in connector traffic only to face a 30 minute cluster f**k in the parking lot after the game is the lesser of two evils.
Why on gods green earth they didnt run a marta spur to the stadium during the olympics is beyond me. I live a mile from lenox, if I could walk down there and hop a train straight to the stadium, I’d be much more willing to hit more weeknight games. Otherwise, its once a month and weekends.
Ububba,
Speaking of bedroom taping and NJ artist, you ever listen to East River Pipe?
You don’t want to get me started on MARTA, DD. I’ve complained about this for years, even before the Underground crap started. Not that I can afford to drive to Atlanta these days anyway. (Someone should check on the attendance for “regional” franchises — the Braves, Cards, Rockies, Mariners — since the gas spike.)
Doubledawg…you hit the nail on the head regarding attendance. I am going to the game tomorrow, yet I am dreading trying to get down there to the stadium, and that is just from Buckhead. I can imagine the hassle of coming from the outer burbs on 400 or 85.
I went 2 weeks ago to a Marlins game with about 25,000 and it the traffic downtown was atrocious. I can imagine the hassle tomorrow. It would also be nice if there were some bars or restaurants down around the stadium to hang out in if you chose to go early and beat the traffic, but no luck there either.
The main band of rain is heading south of Atlanta, so the game will be a go tonight.
Beckett v. Hudson…should be a good matchup. Beckett’s numbers against Atlanta are very strange. According to ESPN, he is 5-7 with a 2.82 ERA career against the Bravos.
Hudson, as evidenced by his last start against the BoSox, has been roughed up by Boston.
Hopefully, we will get the good clutch hitting again tonight. Thorman and McCann seem to be breaking out of his funk. Who knows, maybe with the apparent platoon situation Thor is facing again, he will relax and start hitting again.
Edgar and Chipper are tearing it up.
Tough, tough matchup. However, you gotta like the matchup in Flushing tonight…Santana v. Sosa.
whats the deal with Sosa, is Peterson that good at turning these guys around or is it their defense? Sosa sucks and he needs to come back to his ATL form
While I agree that a stadium train stop would have made a lot of sense, I don’t really mind the walk to and from the GSU MARTA station. It would be difficult if you had a small child with you, but otherwise it’s a 3/4 mile stroll with a bunch of other baseball fans — not the worst situation in the world.
Here’s a Springsteen video for the Boston Red Sox:
“Springsteen actually recorded the “Nebraska” material with the band, but it just didn’t seem right to him (no kidding).”
Yeah, supposedly there’s an “electric” Nebraska out there.
AC works with the whole band…I don’t think a song like “State Trooper” would.
Alex,
A sports columnist’s job is to take a stance & foment discussion, not play cheerleader. The beat writer can tell us what happened at the game.
From what I can tell, there were varying ideas on the number of Sawx fans & their level of volume, etc. But that was his experience, and that’s fine.
Braves fans don’t always show up. We know that. I’m not going to shoot the messenger. What can you do?
My whole problem with the attendance is that so many other cities would kill for an organization like the Braves. I moved from Atlanta to Kansas City a couple of years ago and it boggles my mind that the Royals still draw as well as they do with the garbage they have put on the field the last decade.
When I saw the Red Sox crowd at the game last night, it reminded me of St. Louis fans when the Cards play in interleague every year. However, the Braves are definitely not the Royals. If the Royals had half the success of the Braves, Kauffman would sell out almost every game. (BTW, Dayton is doing a helluva job from the ground up. Watch for the Royals in a couple of years)
I know there are a lot of mitigating circumstances, but being in KC has given me a new perspective on how the other side lives, and we’ve still got it pretty good.
You actually make a pretty good point, doubledawg, much better than the standard whining about ticket prices and the team not earning the hard-earned money, blah blah blah, that is the standard BS reason. The ticket prices are actually really affordable as long as you sit in the upper deck and this “the team isn’t earning my money” is pure hogwash.
The fast is that Atlanta is a terrible sports town. None of these excuses mean anything for a town that is worth a shit. I would be willing to bet that a greater number of those people cheering for the Red Sox than any of us can possibly fathom had no connection to Boston whatsoever. They just root for the Red Sox because it’s the “cool thing to do.” It’s actually sickening. And when people do show up, they do something incredibly infuriating like cheer for the Diamondbacks the last four innings of Randy Johnson’s perfect game. This is a town with no sports IQ whatsoever.
The Braves and all Atlanta teams (yes, even the Hawks) do have fans that are just as loyal as any other city or team (if not moreso, in some cases). The problem is they get overshadowed by these assholes who go to the ballgame just to be seen. This is not a freaking neutral venue. This is the home field of the Atlanta Braves. It really is starting to get embarrassing, in my opinion.
doubledawg,
Isn’t that East River Pipe guy kinda like a Robert Pollard-type? Don’t have any of the records, though.
sansho,
I never minded that walk from the MARTA station one bit, to be honest. Fact is, I used to drive 100 miles from Columbus or 60 miles from Athens to go to games. Nothing has ever kept me from going.
Agreed, the walk over isnt that bad, but its nothing like taking the Green line to Fenway.
Also, the marta option only includes a very small percentage of the metro area. Anyone coming from OTP might as well be driving from Birmingham. If you leave Alpharetta at 5:30pm, you’ll be lucky to crawl past Nerd-U by 7pm, forget making the first pitch. Also, that assumes you can make it home from work and be ready to leave by 6pm.
So, for the average family of braves fans in the Atlanta area to attend tonights game, the parenst will have to work a half-day, get home, pack the kids, and drive down to the stadium arriving by 3:30pm. Where you get to sit amongst a hectare of black ashpalt and wait until the gates open. I know, it sounds so great, I may get a flex pack tomorrow.
So, if you go ahead and remove the population outside the ROTA (Reasonable Opportunity To Attend)Area, then account for the impoverished part of the city, then subtract the carpet baggers, and the Braves drawing 20,000 on a weeknight is pretty darn impressive.
I think there’s an interesting story to be explored here (w/rt the fan situation in Atlanta.) It would probably involve such concepts and demographics and a discussion of our transient nature.
However, finding this story would involve some , you know, actual reporting. Sports reporters continually remind me that they are not journalists, and Bradley’s latest column is just another example.
Driving in from Alpharetta isn’t near as hard as you think it is, doubledawg…
I live in Alpharetta and make it in about an hour and a half if I take MARTA and usually around an hour to an hour and a half if I leave at the right times (usually around 2-3 hours before game time).
I don’t even think MARTA is that bad, either. The only somewhat bad part is getting on the buses after the game to go back to Five Points, but as long as you leave right after the final out and walk quickly, you can be on a train headed back home within 20 minutes of the game ending.
Ububba,
Both write short pop songs, with good riffs and some off the wall lyrics by the dozen, but the overall sound is different. ERP is more Robert Pollard crossed with Stephen Merrit. He records all of his stuff at home and supposedly works at Home Depot somewhere in Jersey.
I’ll listen to ERP on a long drive or bike ride when wanting to relax.
Whereas, GBV makes me think more of sweating out PBR faster than I can drink it at 40-Watt and narrowly avoiding arrest.
I meant to say “usually around an hour to an hour and a half [i]driving[/i] if I leave at the right times (usually around 2-3 hours before game time).
Sports columnists are not reporters. They are opinion writers.
Bradley does make a very valid point, which is: Attendance-wise, the Braves were ultra-hot before 1994, but they’re not now. Nothing kept them from the games then.
I remember going to a Cards-Braves game in August of 1993 and you couldn’t get a ticket. That hasn’t been the case in a very long time.
Rob,
I think your missing the forrest on this one.
1.5 hours on a good night is not exactly convinient for a 7pm weeknight game. Especialy if you have to travel from atlanta to alpharetta to get home and pick up the family. Assuming you get on at Northridge, you are looking at another hour plus to get home. Not too great for a worknight.
doubledawg,
I hear you: The only time I’ve ever pissed in public on a Manhattan street was after a GBV gig in the West Village. My unending apologies to the locals, but it had to be done.
And “69 Love Songs” is an all-time fave.
I am one of those Braves fans who became a fan growing up watching them on TBS. So, for me getting to go to games only happens on a vacation. I’ve always been baffled at just how crappy the attendance has been during the week and until now had never heard of transportation being the reason. Most of the time you hear that ATL is a town made up of people who moved there, so there is no sports loyalty. I think that could be partially true, but I as a fan have been bummed by the sight of only 16,000 fans at a weeknight ballgame. There just isn’t something that makes sense. If the Braves did not have a competitive team, then I could understand. The barren stadium on weeknights just doesn’t seem acceptable.
JoshQ…as an Atlanta suburbanite I can tell you that I would attend more games if it weren’t such a chore getting there. I think I speak for many in that regard. When you weigh the option of spending > $100 to take the family down there, fighting through traffic each way, the option of just watching the game on TV seems more appealing. I try to go to 4 or 5 games a year, but after working all day i just don’t feel like getting the family together and trudging downtown, especially during school season.
Why is it a problem to cheer for a pitcher with a perfect game going? That is a once in a life time thing. I wish I could see a perfect game no matter who is pitching.
How was GBV live? That’s one band I really wish I would have seen live while I had the chance.
david15,
That is a very “loaded” question.
Short answer: Either unbelievably transcendent or soggy & messy. Either way, you were going to get anywhere from 40 to 60 songs, all very short, all very punchy.
The best GBV Era, IMO, was up through 1995, the “Alien Lanes” time.
increase attendance, increase payroll. if attendance decreases, what happens to the payroll? i cant do much about it, but i was embarassed watching the game the other night and hearing the bosox get a bigger applause than our braves. our fans need to cowboy up. i know mac’s philosophy on attendance, but when your as good of a team as atlanta has been for the past 15 years, and you rank 10th in the nl in home attendance, that sux. i think it has to do with the typical “southerner” being genuinely more lazy than other areas of the nation (louisiana, mississippi, and alabama are extremely fat states, and i have lived in 2 of the 3) and would just rather watch the game pantless, in the a.c., and sippin’ a brew that doesnt cost 8 bucks. btw, lineup is the same tonight.
heh, I think I know what you mean. It seems like the kind of band where the quality of the show depends if they had just the right amount or too much.
david15,
That’s kinda true. Part of it seemed to be if they were drinking liquor or beer. If I saw the band come out and start passing the bottle of Jack, I’d think, “Uh-oh, this could be a long night.”
Otherwise, GBV was very famous for having their beer cooler right there onstage behind Uncle Bob.
Sounds like you saw them quite a bit. Good stuff.
“Game of Pricks” is like a long-lost British Invasion hit. Great band, great little run of albums.
i’ve never found the marta option that bad even when we have taken the train from 400. it was worth the extra time to not pay for parking and be stuck in traffic. granted i would not want to have to go home, grab children and deal with everything but that’s why i don’t have kids. 😉
ultimately, i think many atlanta fans, both local and regional, are just fine with watching the game on tv. the braves have had all their games on the tube for ever, so going to a braves game is more of an occation, and in the south those tend to happen on the weekend.
Haha. Carlos Beltran just air mailed one to put the Twins up 1-0.
Aaaaaand 2-0. I want to see Tyner hit a home run SO BAD.
Adam,
Funny, “Game of Pricks” (the 7-inch version, not the one from “Bee Thousand”) is my favorite GBV tune.
David15,
Next to Elvis Costello & any number of Athens groups, I’ve seen GBV more than any other band—probably 25 times. Even when they kinda began to fizzle, I kept going—which makes me no better than a Deadhead, actually. I’m better now.
Off to the city. Go Huddy.
4-0. Heh, our old buddy KJL walked Santana. Wait, now it’s 5-0. I hope Huddy can scratch out one decent start against the Sox.
According to Wikipedia, Atlanta’s metro area is the world’s 57th largest. Metro areas bigger than us with MLB teams are (in order) NYC, LA, Chicago, Dallas, Philly, Toronto, Houston, Miami, and DC. Which means that, on a per-capita basis, we ought to be about 11th or 12th in MLB attendance. (NYC and LA are two-team areas but have more than double the population of Atlanta metro. The other two-teamer, Chicago, has less than double but it’s close.)
We’re currently 15th. Given where we stand in the population game, that’s not too far off, considering the aforementioned public transportation problems and the stadium stuck out in the middle of nowhere. (Also, the stadium’s relatively huge, which makes good crowds appear small sometimes.)
Have fun with numbers yourself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_areas_by_population
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/attendance
Manny Ramirez looks like the Predator.
I personally think the attendance issue needs it’s own thread.
The point being, I have always been of the opinion that “Braves Nation” is just as strong as the Cubs, Cards, etc., maybe not as strong as the Sox or Yanks, but definately as strong as the Cubs and such. It doesn’t receive nearly as much play, but when the Braves go on the road, there are places that they play where there are just as many Braves fans there as there are the home team. It just looks bad when the Sox/Cubs come in and ESPN makes a big deal out of it, and let’s face it, Sox/Yanks fans are more vocal and obnoxious, thus they get noticed more.
Being from New Mexico, I make two trips to see the Braves every year. Once to Denver and one to Phoenix. I can tell you since the Rockies have been in existance, there are just as many Braves fans at those games as there are Rockies fans. Same thing goes for the DBacks.
If you look at merchandising sales, the Braves are constantly in the Top 10 every year. Obviously part of that is due to the rappers from the ATL buying Braves stuff, but that’s only part of it.
Joe, nobody but Andruw swings and falls down.
I hesitate to ask, but did it seem to anyone that both Boston players should have been safe there, that Edgar threw before he got the bag and still didn’t get it to first in time?
Manny needs a shoulder mounted laser cannon then. And nice play by Edgar even if he threw it before he touched 2nd.
Haha. Braves announcers totally just showed how the umps blew BOTH of those calls.
Honestly, we should have better attendence but people’s points about the location of Turner Field to most fans who could afford to go, isn’t very goood, and the city of Atlanta has done nothing to really rebuild the area around Turner to ignite a big movement over there.
Living in the DC area, I am easily able to attend Nats, Wizards and Capitals games because I work downtown D.C. (though I live in Alexandria) so it’s easy for me to hop on the Metro (which everyone uses here, unlike say a Marta) & head to a Hockey, Basketball or Baseball game.
But I have been to one Redskins game since moving to D.C. in November of 2000. Even when the Falcons came I didn’t go. Why? Because even taking the Metro isn’t good enough.
Not only did little general Daniel Snyder put this team out in the complete hood of Maryland, PG County, but you not only have to take a long Metro ride, but then have to hop a bus after that to get to the Stadium. Or you could choose 2 hours up and 2 hours back of traffic. Your call.
Yes, the Redskins are an overpriced (ticket wise) bad NFL franchise that still fills its stadium, because the fans here are die hards, but since I am not a Redskins fan, just an NFL, I am not going to pay insane prices to go through that kind of hell to get to FedEx Field for a team I don’t even like or care about.
As for the Braves, there are still a few million Georgia native fans that we should draw better…despite Marta, the location and all the transient fans.
The good news on the Andruw at bat: he made contact!
timmy is look’n good
Did Jon just say that the Braves (or Pete Orr, at least) play Connect Four in the clubhouse? That’s adorable.
Who will replace Andruw next year?
orr
They had to find something Orr could win.
Well, I guess it’s better to have a Connect 4 tourney over a chug contest in the Cardinals clubhouse–right?
Twins leading the Mets 7-0 now. Sosa pulled after 3.1 and giving up 8 hits, 2 walks, and 7 runs. Maybe he’s finally back to his true self. Let’s win tonight and pull to within a half game.
And Santana has thrown 36 pitches through four innings with no strikeouts.
Who will rid us of this meddlesome pitcher?
Sosa can’t touch Simontachhi, though. Pulled after 3, gave up 10 hits, 2 bb, and 10 er. Ouch.
what gives with all the high throws to first these days?
Oh boy, here we go…
thorman must have his stretch armstrong britches on tonight
i guess he should lend those to willie
What the heck? Get one more out.
shewwwwwww
To me, the worst thing about the Atlanta attendance situation is that the few fans that do attend suck. For years the so called Braves fans booed one of the greatest players in our franchise’s history everytime he came back to town. I’m sure it’s only stopped now because no one remembers who Glavine is anymore. When I look at the people sitting around me, at least half of them just sit and stare at the jumbtron at all times. Zeus, please strike that thing with lightning.
Now, I’m firmly on the don’t-boo-Glavine side now, but your point isn’t very strong. The Red Sox—widely considered to have great fans—have booed Clemens ever since he left town, too.
Earl Weaver should replace Bobby Cox.
Way to make him work boys.
It’s innings like that one after which I want to punch Terry Pendleton in the jaw.
Terry’s not in the batter’s box.
If Red Sox fans jump off a bridge, does that mean you should too? 🙂
Do you guys think we can trade Andruw and an autograph from JS for Ned Yost?
Cito Gaston should replace Cox. Or maybe Jimy Williams and then replace him with Gaston. It worked once.
That was a painful inning. We looked like such pushovers.
McCann’s been swinging at that first pitch quite a bit recently too: it’s not just Francouer and Andruw.
True, Stu, which means his jaw won’t be somewhat bothering him in his next at bat.
Well, that doesn’t have much to do with defining “good fans”, does it?
The good news is…the magic of Jorge Sosa is officially…OVER!!!
Ich.
tommy made his choice, and went with the union. i really liked him as a brave, but he lost some serious points with me. personally i wouldn’t waste the energy booing him.
timmy is getting shelled.
Andruw needs a hug.
Booing any player that leaves town because the management of the team no longer wants him is bad fan behavior to me.
The commentators are talking about what a short stint Hudson had in the dugout. No time to catch his breath.
Let’s see, who was at bat last inning…Druw, Frenchy…
Yeah, that’s about right.
At least Frenchy won’t be hitting .198 by the end of the week.
Hit that bastard again, Ortiz.
Re: Glavine
I have also firmly stated I will never boo one of my all time favorite Braves.
What’s more, I once had the pleasure in the Summer of 95 of spending about 30 minutes with my dad and one other Braves fan, talking with Glavine. Just sitting down and having a great Baseball dicussion.
As a Braves fan, a Baseball fan, I will never forget it. It was also later that same year that Tommy started the Game 6 vs. the Indians that won us our only World Series during this run.
I will never boo Tommy.
thank god we’re out of that mess
crap one more out
If we can give Julio Franco a standing ovation, I think we can give Tom Glavine AT LEAST a smattering of applause.
Glavine gets more than a smattering of applause. It’s just partially drowned out by the booing.
And I wouldn’t boo, either, but I’d hardly say the booing is indicative of being a “bad” fan.
Coco Crisp is just embarassing Andruw in this series.
pedro,
your next atlanta braves CF. coco crisp
I think Andruw’s doing a fine job of embarassing himself.
Well put, Stu.
Nothing is going our way tonight…
well atleast the mets are losing
Wow, Oscar Villarreal did something that didn’t utterly suck.
Am I dreaming?
he can usually gets the out, just not hold the runner.
AAR,
Why so down on Villarreal? He’s not great, but his ERA’s 4.01. I think he’s very useful.
why even bother going to the plate andruw?
I thought he should have been given the walk there. Anyway, let’s just stop this game now. The Braves aren’t going to come back and someone might get hurt.
Stu, I guess it’s because every time I’m watching, Villarreal is like Kyle Davies with worse stuff–no command, and bad things just seem to happen. Maybe it’s sort of like how a watched pot never boils.
Okay, there’s the delay. I’m going to give it an hour then I’m going to bed, so morning recap.
at least tonight’s offensive futility is at the hands of a good pitcher instead of some Marlins AAA player or a Nat
When Joe says Francoeur is being too aggressive there’s probably something wrong.
jesus… jon sciambi talking about myspace. he does look like the kind of guy that would spend time on myspace hitting up young girls with raunchy messages.
Nice hustle there Kelly.
And I’m kind of excited to see Okajima pitch. He’s been lights out this year. Let’s see if Willie and the heart can’t get something going.
heart of the order please take notes
can’t wait for Andruw to come up in this inning and try to redeem himself
BAAAH! .. that was pretty well hit. Damn it.
I boo’d glavine when he first came back and I really dont regret it. As much as he did for the Braves, it still stung to see him sign with our division rival. The money wasnt that much different that he couldn’t have chosen to stay with the Braves and do something special like SMoltz. So, while smoltz, often the 3rd man, has risen to god-like status amongst Braves fans, glavine has chosen to live alone, in a NY apartment, 1,000 miles from his family. After you factor in taxes and cost of living, Tom probably only netted a few million bucks extra.
I dont boo him now, but if he had stayed in Atlanta, he’d have passed 300 and done it in a Braves uniform.
Crap, but why was he in the game instead of Edgar anyway? I hate it when Bobby gives up on fairly close games.
lefty match up
Rain delay substitute?
read sarcasm
balls.
Hearing sox fans cheer in atlanta is depressing.
From the official site: “Your body is going follow your brain,” Chipper Jones said. “If your brain is thinking left-field seats, that’s where your body is going to go. Until [Andruw] gets to the point where he gets his brain driving the ball through the center-field wall, he’s going to struggle.”
Ouch.