I will be out tonight, but let me add my utter disgust and displeasure with John Schuerholz for giving Chris Reitsma his spot back in the bullpen and sending Kevin Barry down.
I know someone commented that Barry hadn’t proved himself yet with 3 scoreless innings…
But the rest of our proven pen SUCKS so i would rather give more innings to the guy who hasn’t yet shown to be complete garbage, then say a wimpy Canadien who lied abolut an jury, has far more hits then innings pitched, is in capable of striking anyone out, and his current 2006 ERA is the biggest terrorist disaster in U.S. history and is an emergency call for help.
So, yeah…i am not going to let this inanity go. You’re darn right I am pissed off and John Schuerholz, this is your final shameful, heinous act in my book (not your book). You’ve screwed us enough with garbage decisions like this.
No one in their right minds would touch Judy Reitsma with a 10 foot pole and you throw his beleaguered ass right back into the fire. There’s no reasonable or fair explanation you or anyone can give for this.
He had 1 good month in his CAREER…last August. That’s it. And you are basing this off that? It’s utter stupidity. Why is Kevin Barry a victim of this? Wnhy not Paronto if you are forcing Judy on us again?
Yes, I won’t let this sham go. The Braves are desperately trying to claw back into Wild Card contention and this is how you support them? It’s almost like the female owner in “Major League” who wanted the team to lose…except she had financial reasons for being an evil twit. You don’t.
Sorry, I am out for the night (it’s my dad’s birthday and my wife & I are taking my parents out) but I can’t leave for the night without again talking about this completely travesty committed by JOHN SCHUERHOLZ.
Yes, SCHUERHOLZ WITH A Z.
No one can possibly defend this Reitsma in and Barry out move. It’ makes no sense. I thought we were done with Reitsma. What’s next, are we bringing an unhealthy Jordan and Mary Remlinger back after the All Star Break?
Utter stupidity.
Where are my guys like kc, Brad and Land amongst others (besides davey who has spoken up)–I know you guys agree with me.
Brian J.
on July 1, 2006 at 5:16 pm
Alex, we didn’t comment because we agreed with Schuerholz’ decision; we didn’t comment (much) because no one was surprised. Of course Barry was going to be shafted. Of course we were going to give Reitsma one more chance he doesn’t deserve. I don’t expect it to last long, though.
Wryn
on July 1, 2006 at 5:23 pm
I was at the game last night – splendid effort by our boys. Mac, you would find appreciation for the above youtube link – hecklers harassing Stephen A Smith at the NBA Draft. It’s actually quite hilarious.
Let’s hope Huddy can have a good outing tonight… so that Bobby doesn’t even think of putting Judy in..
L.A Braves
on July 1, 2006 at 5:35 pm
Lets hope he does well enough to have another team take him in a trade
Ron
on July 1, 2006 at 5:58 pm
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Hey look! Giles is leading off again!
Brian J.
on July 1, 2006 at 6:09 pm
Now there’s a novel way to start a game!
jenny
on July 1, 2006 at 6:16 pm
So I’m on a proxy IP connection to get around MLB.TV blackouts, and I just used Google and all my results came back in Arabic. How cool is that? I wonder where this IP address is.
Brian J.
on July 1, 2006 at 6:24 pm
Well, your worst-case scenario won’t happen, Mac.
Brian J.
on July 1, 2006 at 6:36 pm
The Orioles have decided on the Run Until Tagged strategy. Thanks, guys!
Actually, it’s Hudson who needs to be smacked. Chipper at least has been on the ball with the two plays at third. Hudson, meanwhile, has now surrendered nine baserunners and gotten three outs on his own.
Ron
on July 1, 2006 at 6:53 pm
So when does Hudson become our closer and Sosa returns to the rotation?
Draper
on July 1, 2006 at 6:54 pm
I bet that poor throw by Chipper was also somehow due to a poor umpire strike call.
The throw was plain stupidity. It was lazy and he could have easily tagged the runner or gone to the bag. Plus it was an awful, awful throw.
Jeremy
on July 1, 2006 at 7:09 pm
This is ugly.
Brian J.
on July 1, 2006 at 7:12 pm
So is six and a third innings of the bullpen, but that’s what we’re going to see.
Jason
on July 1, 2006 at 7:14 pm
Does Hudson have a nagging injury or something he’s not telling anyone? I’m not watching the game – does he actually look OK on the mound?
Ron
on July 1, 2006 at 7:15 pm
Time to trade Hudson now before the rest of the league figures out he sucks. We can probably still get 2 blue chip prospects from LA, Arizona, etc. for him. Don’t wait another month when it will be clear to all he won’t be any help to a pennant contender. I’m starting to think it’s time to totally blow up this team and start over.
jenny
on July 1, 2006 at 7:19 pm
How much was that contract extension again?
Jeremy
on July 1, 2006 at 7:20 pm
Hudson has absolutely no command right now. His velocity and movement looks fine to me, he just can’t locate anything right now. And not to make excuses but the defense was utterly atrocious behind him tonight.
My suspicion when he was struggling earlier this year was that he had some sort of elbow problem — which often causes command problems. Meaning that he might join Hampton on the TJ rehab list soon. On the other hand, there’s the list of most-similar pitchers I talked about in his preseason analysis:
Hudson’s comparables list (SimScores through Age 29) is full of guys from the last couple of generations whose careers fell off in their early thirties. Most-similar is Jack McDowell, which is disturbing because McDowell’s last good year was at 29. Second is Dennis Leonard (last good year at 30) but third is Mike Mussina, who pitched well at 34 and adequately last year at 36. Of course, Mussina went to Stanford and Hudson went to Auburn; if you want someone smart enough to pitch without his best stuff, take the Stanford guy over the Aubie every time. Other recent comparables are Doug Drabek (last good year at 31), Jack Morris (last good year at 36 but after struggling from 33-35) and Kevin Appier (last really good year at 29 but above-average from 32-34). Wow, this is scary.
Bill K.
on July 1, 2006 at 7:39 pm
Well, at least Thorman’s looking good…Though that might be more due to the fact that Ortiz sucks more than anything else…
Brian J.
on July 1, 2006 at 7:54 pm
So far so good from Yates and Cormier.
Bill K.
on July 1, 2006 at 7:54 pm
woah woah woah…Hold on now…We sent Kevin Barry down, but Lance “I’m only up here because 8 starters got injured in a week and it was an emergency so I had to do a spot start which might as well have been starting off the game with the bullpen” Cormier is still up? That’s just unjust.
I know it’s early, but that was an obvious pinch-hit situation. LaRoche can’t hit lefties at all, they just came in with a LOOGY, and the batter represents the tying run. Awful, awful. Bobby does this all the time, he saves his pinch-hitters then uses up his whole bench in the eighth.
Bill K.
on July 1, 2006 at 8:16 pm
Oh look Bobby left a pitcher in past his effectiveness…I’m shocked.
Dan
on July 1, 2006 at 8:17 pm
WHY THE F*** IS CORMIER IN AGAIN!?
Am I the only one who knew he couldn’t pitch two scoreless innings in a row? Just how many times must we watch this? What is it about his near 7.00 ERA that has Bobby bringing him in for long relief and TWO starting spots!?
Dam* that irks me.
Cary
on July 1, 2006 at 8:19 pm
Finally! Welcome aboard, Ron. We’ve got to break it down and start over again.
I know Hudson is supposed to be our strong #2 starter for next year’s World Series run, but umm… oh yeah.
In a sense, it’s too bad that the Marlins were quicker to recognize that they needed to rebuild because they sucked up a helluva lot of the available pitching prospects.
Dan
on July 1, 2006 at 8:24 pm
Down by four with really three innings left (Baltimore has a GREAT closer.) We might as well just try Reitsma.
Alex, it was July of 2005 Reitsma was great. He looked really good that month and got the rolaids relief man of the month award. August is when he melted down, it started with that walk-off grand slam to the Cardinals.
Dan
on July 1, 2006 at 8:27 pm
“LaRoche can’t hit lefties at all”
Sorry Mac, but LaRoche hit that home run against some left-handed relief pitcher for the Yankees and has earned at least ten more bats against lefties with RISP.
Jay10
on July 1, 2006 at 8:31 pm
Here comes Reitsma.
Brian J.
on July 1, 2006 at 8:31 pm
LaRoche against lefties: 219/265/406. Diaz vs. lefties: 333/369/517.
Dan, why the he** did you say that? You invoked his name unwisely, and now we are all doomed.
Brian J.
on July 1, 2006 at 8:39 pm
Another reason why Diaz wasn’t pinch hit for LaRoche is the shallowness of our bench. We still need to use a PH for the pitcher when his spot comes up (hopefully, later in the 5th). That’s Langerhans. That leaves us with Orr and Pratt as our only reamining benchies for 4+ innings.
And congrats to Reitsma for not sucking as badly as we feared, even if it took another Andruw Superman Catch ™ to accomplish a scoreless inning.
Malone
on July 1, 2006 at 8:40 pm
TRADE HUDSON!
TRADE SMOLTZ!
Dan
on July 1, 2006 at 8:42 pm
Reitsma did it. Though it would have very hard for even him to out-do Tim Hudson tonight.
Jay10
on July 1, 2006 at 8:43 pm
Well that was an interesting play
Brian J.
on July 1, 2006 at 8:44 pm
Hawkins swiped at Chipper with his *empty* hand instead of his glove. That’s why Chipper was able to reach.
Dan
on July 1, 2006 at 8:49 pm
We just can’t score.
LaRoche for home run.
Dan
on July 1, 2006 at 8:52 pm
I miss Brian Jordan.
Brian J.
on July 1, 2006 at 8:55 pm
For anyone else watching TBS, that Delta ad is just sad, considering the assumptions Delta made about the Braves and itself when it was made a few months ago.
Bringing the Braves to the world right now is no kind of service (except garbage disposal).
Dan
on July 1, 2006 at 8:58 pm
Chrissy Reitsma can’t pitch two innings.
Jay10
on July 1, 2006 at 8:59 pm
Reistma is injured again. Maybe Barry will be coming back up.
Brian J.
on July 1, 2006 at 9:00 pm
And Reitsma is leaving with a problem caused (according to the TBS crew) by the bone spurs in his arm interacting with the nerves. They showed that his fingers were constantly twitching as he walked off.
This looks like a non-trivial injury sending him to the DL for a slightly more dignified conclusion to the season than a DFA.
zerotres
on July 1, 2006 at 9:03 pm
A few years ago I went thru Cubital Tunnel Syndrome (a/k/a ulnar neuritis). Anytime I bent my elbow the nerve would be “rubbed” by the bones. The nerve would swell, and I’d get numbness and pain in my fingers, hand, elbow and wrist. It was not fun. I still have to be careful with my elbow, to this day.
Reitsma has it worse than I had, since he (allegedly?) has bone spurs.
I don’t appreciate his “contributions” to the team, but I don’t envy his arm problems right now.
I should point out that the closed captioning translated that last conversation about the Baltimore team’s headgear as being about an “Oral cap”.
Tennessee Brave
on July 1, 2006 at 9:10 pm
As mad as Reitsma has made me in the past, I feel terrible for him. From what everyone says, he is a great person, and I hope he gets over all of his problems. I just hope that he makes his next comeback with another team.
Jesus, did Marcus sit down on the way to first base? I can’t believe he wouldn’t hustle — not him — but he was out by twenty feet.
Brian J.
on July 1, 2006 at 9:18 pm
I gotta think that McCann didn’t go out for that popup because of his ankle, which is why Villareal had to catch it himself.
As for Chip’s burbling about the bullpen’s “recovery,” they blew two saves in the Wednesday game in New York and put us behind in the Tampa Bay game last Saturday before we came back. I remain highly skeptical.
Wryn
on July 1, 2006 at 9:19 pm
I have figured out the Braves’ problem. I must announce it now – since, immediately following tonight’s game, with Reitsma headed to the DL, it will change:
The Braves have 3 players from Canada (Pete Orr, Chris Reitsma, Scott Thorman) and only 2 from the Dominican (Jorge Sosa, Wilson Betemit)
Happy Canada Day!
Brian J.
on July 1, 2006 at 9:20 pm
What have you got against Canadians, eh? My dad’s from Montreal.
Best thread title EVAR.
Tomorrow’s Game Thread title has to refer to John Waters in some way.
What about Edgar Allan Poe?
Random factoid: the woman who wrote that show is married to the guy who wrote “Capote” and is the granddaughter of the guy that wrote “Casablanca.”
Oops. That was me.
Poe’s got football season.
Anyway, starting lineups:
Baltimore
B. Roberts 2b
B. Fahey lf
M. Mora 3b
M. Tejada ss
R. Hernandez c
C. Patterson cf
J. Conine 1b
N. Markakis rf
R. Ortiz p
Atlanta
M. Giles 2b
E. Renteria ss
C. Jones 3b
A. Jones cf
B. McCann c
J. Francoeur rf
A. LaRoche 1b
S. Thorman lf
T. Hudson p
I will be out tonight, but let me add my utter disgust and displeasure with John Schuerholz for giving Chris Reitsma his spot back in the bullpen and sending Kevin Barry down.
I know someone commented that Barry hadn’t proved himself yet with 3 scoreless innings…
But the rest of our proven pen SUCKS so i would rather give more innings to the guy who hasn’t yet shown to be complete garbage, then say a wimpy Canadien who lied abolut an jury, has far more hits then innings pitched, is in capable of striking anyone out, and his current 2006 ERA is the biggest terrorist disaster in U.S. history and is an emergency call for help.
So, yeah…i am not going to let this inanity go. You’re darn right I am pissed off and John Schuerholz, this is your final shameful, heinous act in my book (not your book). You’ve screwed us enough with garbage decisions like this.
No one in their right minds would touch Judy Reitsma with a 10 foot pole and you throw his beleaguered ass right back into the fire. There’s no reasonable or fair explanation you or anyone can give for this.
He had 1 good month in his CAREER…last August. That’s it. And you are basing this off that? It’s utter stupidity. Why is Kevin Barry a victim of this? Wnhy not Paronto if you are forcing Judy on us again?
Yes, I won’t let this sham go. The Braves are desperately trying to claw back into Wild Card contention and this is how you support them? It’s almost like the female owner in “Major League” who wanted the team to lose…except she had financial reasons for being an evil twit. You don’t.
Sorry, I am out for the night (it’s my dad’s birthday and my wife & I are taking my parents out) but I can’t leave for the night without again talking about this completely travesty committed by JOHN SCHUERHOLZ.
Yes, SCHUERHOLZ WITH A Z.
No one can possibly defend this Reitsma in and Barry out move. It’ makes no sense. I thought we were done with Reitsma. What’s next, are we bringing an unhealthy Jordan and Mary Remlinger back after the All Star Break?
Utter stupidity.
Where are my guys like kc, Brad and Land amongst others (besides davey who has spoken up)–I know you guys agree with me.
Alex, we didn’t comment because we agreed with Schuerholz’ decision; we didn’t comment (much) because no one was surprised. Of course Barry was going to be shafted. Of course we were going to give Reitsma one more chance he doesn’t deserve. I don’t expect it to last long, though.
I was at the game last night – splendid effort by our boys. Mac, you would find appreciation for the above youtube link – hecklers harassing Stephen A Smith at the NBA Draft. It’s actually quite hilarious.
Let’s hope Huddy can have a good outing tonight… so that Bobby doesn’t even think of putting Judy in..
Lets hope he does well enough to have another team take him in a trade
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Hey look! Giles is leading off again!
Now there’s a novel way to start a game!
So I’m on a proxy IP connection to get around MLB.TV blackouts, and I just used Google and all my results came back in Arabic. How cool is that? I wonder where this IP address is.
Well, your worst-case scenario won’t happen, Mac.
The Orioles have decided on the Run Until Tagged strategy. Thanks, guys!
Just throw it in there, Tim. Don’t try to fool them or anything. Eventually they’ll hit at someone.
A Baltimore chop for Mora. How appropriate, and irritating.
Somebody needs to smack Chipper.
Actually, it’s Hudson who needs to be smacked. Chipper at least has been on the ball with the two plays at third. Hudson, meanwhile, has now surrendered nine baserunners and gotten three outs on his own.
So when does Hudson become our closer and Sosa returns to the rotation?
I bet that poor throw by Chipper was also somehow due to a poor umpire strike call.
The throw was plain stupidity. It was lazy and he could have easily tagged the runner or gone to the bag. Plus it was an awful, awful throw.
This is ugly.
So is six and a third innings of the bullpen, but that’s what we’re going to see.
Does Hudson have a nagging injury or something he’s not telling anyone? I’m not watching the game – does he actually look OK on the mound?
Time to trade Hudson now before the rest of the league figures out he sucks. We can probably still get 2 blue chip prospects from LA, Arizona, etc. for him. Don’t wait another month when it will be clear to all he won’t be any help to a pennant contender. I’m starting to think it’s time to totally blow up this team and start over.
How much was that contract extension again?
Hudson has absolutely no command right now. His velocity and movement looks fine to me, he just can’t locate anything right now. And not to make excuses but the defense was utterly atrocious behind him tonight.
My suspicion when he was struggling earlier this year was that he had some sort of elbow problem — which often causes command problems. Meaning that he might join Hampton on the TJ rehab list soon. On the other hand, there’s the list of most-similar pitchers I talked about in his preseason analysis:
Well, at least Thorman’s looking good…Though that might be more due to the fact that Ortiz sucks more than anything else…
So far so good from Yates and Cormier.
woah woah woah…Hold on now…We sent Kevin Barry down, but Lance “I’m only up here because 8 starters got injured in a week and it was an emergency so I had to do a spot start which might as well have been starting off the game with the bullpen” Cormier is still up? That’s just unjust.
Where’s Diaz?
*crickets*
You’ll probably see him pinch-hitting to lead off the 6th. At least I hope you will.
Bobby can’t play Diaz because he can actually hit and Bobby is secretly trying to get JS fired by losing every game the rest of the year.
Or Thorman played because he is a lefty.
I know it’s early, but that was an obvious pinch-hit situation. LaRoche can’t hit lefties at all, they just came in with a LOOGY, and the batter represents the tying run. Awful, awful. Bobby does this all the time, he saves his pinch-hitters then uses up his whole bench in the eighth.
Oh look Bobby left a pitcher in past his effectiveness…I’m shocked.
WHY THE F*** IS CORMIER IN AGAIN!?
Am I the only one who knew he couldn’t pitch two scoreless innings in a row? Just how many times must we watch this? What is it about his near 7.00 ERA that has Bobby bringing him in for long relief and TWO starting spots!?
Dam* that irks me.
Finally! Welcome aboard, Ron. We’ve got to break it down and start over again.
I know Hudson is supposed to be our strong #2 starter for next year’s World Series run, but umm… oh yeah.
In a sense, it’s too bad that the Marlins were quicker to recognize that they needed to rebuild because they sucked up a helluva lot of the available pitching prospects.
Down by four with really three innings left (Baltimore has a GREAT closer.) We might as well just try Reitsma.
Alex, it was July of 2005 Reitsma was great. He looked really good that month and got the rolaids relief man of the month award. August is when he melted down, it started with that walk-off grand slam to the Cardinals.
“LaRoche can’t hit lefties at all”
Sorry Mac, but LaRoche hit that home run against some left-handed relief pitcher for the Yankees and has earned at least ten more bats against lefties with RISP.
Here comes Reitsma.
LaRoche against lefties: 219/265/406. Diaz vs. lefties: 333/369/517.
Dan, why the he** did you say that? You invoked his name unwisely, and now we are all doomed.
Another reason why Diaz wasn’t pinch hit for LaRoche is the shallowness of our bench. We still need to use a PH for the pitcher when his spot comes up (hopefully, later in the 5th). That’s Langerhans. That leaves us with Orr and Pratt as our only reamining benchies for 4+ innings.
And congrats to Reitsma for not sucking as badly as we feared, even if it took another Andruw Superman Catch ™ to accomplish a scoreless inning.
TRADE HUDSON!
TRADE SMOLTZ!
Reitsma did it. Though it would have very hard for even him to out-do Tim Hudson tonight.
Well that was an interesting play
Hawkins swiped at Chipper with his *empty* hand instead of his glove. That’s why Chipper was able to reach.
We just can’t score.
LaRoche for home run.
I miss Brian Jordan.
For anyone else watching TBS, that Delta ad is just sad, considering the assumptions Delta made about the Braves and itself when it was made a few months ago.
Bringing the Braves to the world right now is no kind of service (except garbage disposal).
Chrissy Reitsma can’t pitch two innings.
Reistma is injured again. Maybe Barry will be coming back up.
And Reitsma is leaving with a problem caused (according to the TBS crew) by the bone spurs in his arm interacting with the nerves. They showed that his fingers were constantly twitching as he walked off.
This looks like a non-trivial injury sending him to the DL for a slightly more dignified conclusion to the season than a DFA.
A few years ago I went thru Cubital Tunnel Syndrome (a/k/a ulnar neuritis). Anytime I bent my elbow the nerve would be “rubbed” by the bones. The nerve would swell, and I’d get numbness and pain in my fingers, hand, elbow and wrist. It was not fun. I still have to be careful with my elbow, to this day.
Reitsma has it worse than I had, since he (allegedly?) has bone spurs.
I don’t appreciate his “contributions” to the team, but I don’t envy his arm problems right now.
At least he’s really hurt — that should put that “faking it” rumor to rest. I have a feeling that Chris will be visiting Birmingham on Monday.
I think that the Braves have actually caught the airline industry’s disease. It explains this season as well as anything.
Just got home, turn on the tv and get welcomed with a familiar site…the Braves losing..
*Sigh*
I’m seeing here that Russ Ortiz has 2 rbi’s…
Has it really been that bad??
I should point out that the closed captioning translated that last conversation about the Baltimore team’s headgear as being about an “Oral cap”.
As mad as Reitsma has made me in the past, I feel terrible for him. From what everyone says, he is a great person, and I hope he gets over all of his problems. I just hope that he makes his next comeback with another team.
Jesus, did Marcus sit down on the way to first base? I can’t believe he wouldn’t hustle — not him — but he was out by twenty feet.
I gotta think that McCann didn’t go out for that popup because of his ankle, which is why Villareal had to catch it himself.
As for Chip’s burbling about the bullpen’s “recovery,” they blew two saves in the Wednesday game in New York and put us behind in the Tampa Bay game last Saturday before we came back. I remain highly skeptical.
I have figured out the Braves’ problem. I must announce it now – since, immediately following tonight’s game, with Reitsma headed to the DL, it will change:
The Braves have 3 players from Canada (Pete Orr, Chris Reitsma, Scott Thorman) and only 2 from the Dominican (Jorge Sosa, Wilson Betemit)
Happy Canada Day!
What have you got against Canadians, eh? My dad’s from Montreal.
There used to be a time that we actually had PITCHING on this team.
I’m forgetting what that felt like
What do we have now??.. Lance Cormier??? WTF is that???
Atleast Chipper’s making it a more respectable score…
That was a shot!!!
Also Lance Cormier’s name sounds like he should be from Canada though he’s actually from Louisiana.
Oh My God. That was an insane play.
So much for our modest 1 game win streak
Why couldn’t we get that HR when we had runners on?
Kinda sad that an injury is the Braves’ highlight of the game, but that’s the state of play.
On track for 94 losses.
Horrible horrible game. Hudson is aboslute crap. Some people don’t believe in clutch hitting but 11 LOB IS beyond ridiculous.
Russ Ortiz getting 2 hits and a walk and 2 rbi’s is also pretty disturbing