I’m posting now because of the sheer number of bridges I drive over on my way home.
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I’m posting now because of the sheer number of bridges I drive over on my way home.
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Eric Gregg had a stroke on Sunday, and is in critical condition.
Given the amount of reflection on the past that Braves Journal has been doing of late, maybe it’s time to take another look at the 1997 team and the ’97 NLCS. The Livan Hernandez game was mentioned in the Yahoo story about Gregg, but the Braves shouldn’t have had the season come to that.
Hernandez threw one in the dug out and it was strike one, the second pitch was in the stands, strike two. Pitch three hit Billy the Marlin, strike three.
I think Eric Gregg was having a stroke durring the game.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060605/ap_on_sp_ba_ne/bbo_gregg_stroke_2
Here’s the YAHOO story link…I just noticed it myself.
I don’t see where 1997 is mentioned at all and that’s a shame.
I can’t speak ill of someone on thier ‘death bed’ but I can honestly say I will never ever forgive Gregg for that particular game. It was the most disgusting and biased performance by an Umpire I have ever seen.
It’s the one playoff year (besides 1995, where we won the whole thing) where we can’t blame Cox for being eliminated. That was singlehandedly all about Eric Gregg.
His son should write a letter of apology to the Braves organization for that shameful performance.
Still, I don’t wish Gregg this. It’s human life no matter how bitter and angry I am (still) 9 years later.
I don’t think we can blame Cox for last year either.
Eric Gregg seems like a very nice man and my thoughts go out to his family, but lets be honest, he was a really bad umpire. One of the absolute worst for a long time. And it was more than just the Livan Hernandez game.
Well, I hope he pulls through. And that we focus on now, not then. I’ve been angry about that game for too long…
Get over it, it’s a baseball game. If that’s the worst thing that happens you in your life, you will be doing pretty well. I’m as much of a Braves fan as anyone, but you need a little perspective.
The Braves and Livan get mentioned in the article on S.I. but in that article they don’t mention about Gregg’s weight loss program thing at Duke in ’96 I think.
I wish him the best..but I can’t forget that game either. I’ve been pushing it far away in the back of my mind for the past couple of years…but it’s coming back now. Livan went to intentionally walk someone but Gregg still called them strikes.. hmmfff
DOB really lays into Francoeur on his blog today, which is nice to see. The RF position has been downright embarrassing for the Braves to this point, probably not as bad as when Mondesi was there last spring, but not much better either.
Something has to give. I don’t care how ‘hometown’ or clean cut that kid seems.
After Kevin Gregg buries his dad, I’m sure he’ll get right on that letter of apology to the Braves…..damn.
I see the Francoeur hatred is back up now that he is in a slump.
Why is it you are only as good as your last outing? That is not how it should be.
Yeah, we are still talking just about baseball right. He made some bad calls in a baseball game in 1997. As a braves fan it sucks, but back in real life it’s sad to see a man have a stroke in his early 50’s. I hope he pulls through and gets back to selling beer in Philly.
As for the team, Francouer is not going anywhere. Who are we going to replace him with anyway?
Am I the only one having trouble getting the RSS feed to work? Nothing shows up past May 22. If I missed a post about this, I’m sorry, but I looked for information about it.
It says on wikipedia that Gregg died, or it least it says this:
“Eric Eugene Gregg (May 18, 1951 — June 5, 2006)”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Gregg
I actually like the umpires with the big liberal strike-zones over the ones with the tight conservative ones. That’s just me.
The RSS feed has changed (and some aggregators haven’t caught on yet). Use this.
Me too Dan. I prefer the strike zone larger rather than limited to the ol’ Satchel Paige Tomato Can approach. I’d rather see borderline pitches be called strikes if they’re in ‘the black’.
I think Francouer should sit for a few games, light a fire under him. He hasn’t done much of that and he’s really a black hole in the lineup. I’m hardly fair weathered; last season I was concerned about his inability to draw walks or work the count. This season, it’s coming home to roost. His RBI totals are entirely a product of getting a chance to hit with more men on base than anyone other than Andruw. His 260 OPB is horrendous, his strikeout totals are high, and his slugging isn’t actually breaking the bank either – which is necessary for a corner outfielder who can’t get on base.
I could care less about a slump or a streak. It’s the season-long production that matters in baseball, as it’s a marathon, and this season so far Francouer ONLY has one nice hot period sandwiched between an otherwise dismal season.
I don’t care how an ump calls it..as long as he calls it for both sides and all game long. He can be stingy..he can be liberal..but more importantly, he has to be fair to both sides.
CALL UP STOCKMAN!!
Francoeur is just fine. Remember his salary is super low. When critiquing players consider what we get vs what we pay. There is no way to get someone of Francoeur’s attributes (current performance + potential) for his price anywhere in the market. The only way to get an upgrade for him would be to trade away salary elsewhere on the team to go after someone with less potential and a larger contract.
The team is not assembled in a vaccuum and a lot of you posters seem to not grasp that.
Charles, Francoeur’s current performance is below replacement level. It’s hard to believe that playing Diaz, or Jurries, or Thorman, in left and Langerhans in right could be worse.
OTOH, the Braves’ real problem hasn’t been the offense but the defense/pitching continuum. I hate to say it, but putting Chipper in left field and Betemit at third would probably help the team both offensively (until Chipper gets hurt again) and defensively.
Skip reports on the radio that the Braves held a “players only” meeting before the game.
So Reitsma wasn’t invited?
good one Mac!! that was great! haha
well let’s hope they got some things worked out in that meeting!
Remember when Terry Pendleton, then a Cardinal, left a Quarter Pounder on the third base bag for Eric Gregg? And he picked it up and mimed taking a bite out of it, smiling broadly? Can you imagine what a diva like Angel Hernandez or Ed Montague would’ve done in that situation?
Sadly, according to the latest reports, it’s not looking too good for the big guy.
I think Mac nailed it on the head. There are many people who could match Francouer’s “production” at the same cost. The reason he’s playing right field is because of his potential, not his production.
What are the benefits vs the risk? If you consider the two corner positions as open for battle then you have Francoeur, Langerhans, Diaz, and Jordan currently on the roster. Jordan is platooning at first (and obviously not going anywhere or being considered as a full-time outfielder) so he’s really not involved in this discussion. If you had to rank the three of them as a combination of current performance (offensive & defensive) + potential what order would you put them in? I would do it as so:
Francoeur
Langerhans
Diaz
Would you really send down one of these three guys for any of the Brave’s current AAA options? While you say its hard to believe calling someone up and sending Francoeur down could be worse- would it really it be better? What are the odds of a new guy doing better than Jeff in this position vs doing the same or worse vs Jeff improving over the course of the season? We saw last year how Furcal and Andruw both turned around struggling campaigns that seemed lost to the casual observer.
If you believe an unproven AAA player will outperform Jeff over the rest of the season (or whatever period you are willing to give a guy a shot) you can’t say its a compelling clear-cut case. Given that its a marginal case at best, do you really want to send Jeff down? You will be leaving Langerhans (who has not been as good as Jeff) and Diaz (who over his career has not been as good as Jeff) in the majors and putting the player with the most potential in an arena where he is less-likely to improve his skills.
Langerhans has been clearly superior to Francoeur. Not to say he’s been good, but his OBP is .328 and Francoeur’s is .260. Yes, Francouer has hit for more power, but (a) there really isn’t any reasonable amount of power that will make up for a .260 OBP, (b) the difference between their SLGs is less than the difference between their OBPs, and (c) Langerhans can hit the cutoff man.
BTW, LaRoche is second on the team in slugging — among qualifiers. He’s below McCann, who’s hurt, and Diaz and Betemit, who can’t get into the lineup. Andruw is the only guy in the regular lineup slugging over .500, and the Braves are a power-based team.
I agree with earlier comments that both Diaz and Betemit have to be worked into the lineup, somehow. Francouer and Langerhans should probaby be platooned at this point with Diaz as the “regular”.
Betemit should be playing first base or Chipper should. I will say it again…LaRoche is far more bad then good and why does Cox keep hitting him 5th for the love of God? I don’t care if McCannn is hurt…STOP BATTING ADAM 5TH.
Looking at Langerhans and Francoeur’s performance over their major league career I don’t believe Langerhans is clearly superior.
Francoeur:
Career 127Games 24HR 84RBI .274AVG .300 OBP .490SLG
Langerhans:
Career 197Games 12HR 5RBI .259AVG .339 OBP .406 SLG
The difference between their slugging is not less than their OBP difference. Its not even close.
If you really believe Langerhans will perform better this year and the future than Jeff that still leaves the other outfield spot- as discussed in my previous post. What to with that one?
* On the note of OBP. OBP gets a little too much mileage around baseball chatrooms lately. It has become the miracle evaluator for players. For those that have actually read Moneyball, Billy Beane found it to be the best attribute of player-evaluation from a value standpoint. Basically GM’s did not see the correlation between a high OBP and a winning team and so he was able to get players cheap who had a high OBP and lower more ‘marketable’ stats.
Alex, why bench LaRoche at this point? If you take him out, the team will be struck with a real lack of lefty power. But if anyone moves to first base, it should be Renteria, who (a) can’t field short anymore, and (b) has actually played first base before.
Slugging average, Braves qualifiers:
Andruw .536
LaRoche .494
Renteria .469
Chipper .445
Francoeur .427
Langerhans .381
Marcus .368
Nice walk Edgar.
OBP correlates more to scoring runs than any other offensive statistic. I not only have read Moneyball, I knew this when Michael Lewis was still working on Wall Street, thank you.
Also, I was clearly talking about this year. Francoeur’s numbers last year were a fluke; they were clearly a fluke at the time, and in particular it was clear that once pitchers stopped challenging him he would be lucky to hit .250. With his lack of walks, that means a sub-.300 OBP and you simply can not be a useful hitter with a sub-.300 OBP. Can’t be done.
You will be leaving Langerhans (who has not been as good as Jeff) and Diaz (who over his career has not been as good as Jeff) in the majors and putting the player with the most potential in an arena where he is less-likely to improve his skills.
A few things. First of all, I thought AAA was the place were most players do go to improve their skills. (And Jeff does need a lot of improvement.)
Now some comparisons:
Diaz in AA: .383/.444/.542/.986
Jeff in AA: .275/.322/.487/.809
Clearly over his career Jeff has been better. Right. Now, Jeff might have had more success in the Majors, but I would say that has more to do with increased playing time for Jeff, instead of Diaz not being “as good.” And, admitedly, Diaz was older than Jeff at the time, and I don’t have any of the league/park factors .
Langerhans this year: .244/.328/.381/.709
Fancouer: .247/.260/.427/.687
Francouer has a little bit more power than Langerhans, but Ryan’s advantage in OBP is larger, and OBP is more important than power.
All of that said, as Mac noted, scoring runs hasn’t been the problem. Even with Francouer being such a drain on it, the line-up is producing. I don’t expect Jeff to go to AAA. I’d just like to see him get an off-day once in a while (he leads the team in at-bats, and in nearly 75% of them he makes an out).
Is it weird that no one is talking about the Game that is going on? Thanks to COMCAST being EVIL here in the Washington area, hell bent on blacking out PPV or TBS from showing any games, I am following on MLB.
Francoeur is actually second in the league in at-bats, behind only Jose Reyes. Pretty impressive, considering he hits sixth. Also impressive: Reyes has a better OPS and an OBP 52 points higher going into tonight.
Reyes has a better OPS and an OBP 52 points higher going into tonight.
… and doesn’t play a corner OF position!
… and sucks!
Mac,
Has Edgar really been that bad of a defender? I realize his fielding percentage is pretty poor, but I don’t really trust that statistic to tell me that much. Has he just been booting a lot of balls?
I can’t get Turner South on my comcast so I’m watching gameday and listening to the Mississippi Braves game
Alex R. – if you have DirecTV you might try channel 626 – dunno if that’s blacked out too.
That’s Mid-Atlantic Sports Network for non-DirecTV people.
To consider Jeff’s performance last year as a fluke and this year as fact is not solid analysis. From a pure statistics standpoint he had a larger sample set last year. Too large to ignore when looking at his career to date. Certainly teams adjusted and impacted his decline, but his success should not be ignored in any discussion worth its merit.
Langerhans will likely not ‘learn’ power. His average and OBP may improve. Francoeur can learn plate discipline. He clearly has an ability to hit well if he can work the count to his favor. His AVG and OBP can improve drastically. Improved presence will also boost his already strong power. At this point in career he cannot really improve in AAA. Why not? He can only learn plate discipline at the hands of those that can discipline him. Going to AAA and swinging at meatballs will only increase his inability to lay off the breaking ball low and away. Keep in mind this kid is 22.
I have no prob w/ Francoeur getting a breather- I am just writing in response to those who think he should not be a centerpiece of the future.
Isn’t Francoeur in Right/Langerhans in Left a far better defensive arrangement than Langy in right/Diaz in left? I’ll grant that Frenchy’s .260 OBP is too low to have in the lineup regardless, but the defense should at least be part of the discussion.
I have Comcast Digital Cable here in Alexandria, Va.
WTF is Frenchy swinging at!???? That was a horrible pitch that was ball 4!
Someone needs to setup wires to his nipples and shock his ass everytime he swings at bad pitches.
Landogarner, great idea.
Let’s pretend Jeff is Jack Bauer and the Braves coaching staff is the Chinese Government…everytime Francouer does something stupid, he gets tortured.
Jeff Francoeur, Batting average/On-Base Percentage/Slugging Percentage by month, 2005:
July .413 .413 .913
August .312 .364 .514
September .247 .287 .452
I’ll leave out the nine October ABs (one single). Basically, they stopped throwing him anything good to hit, he kept swinging anyway, and he hasn’t stopped swinging. Nobody is going to hit .413 against major league pitching anyway.
Fluke.
If Jeff can learn Chipper’s patience at the plate he would be one of the best hitters in all of baseball. But the chances of that happening at this point in his career are zill to none? I’m sure he will improve his pitch selection but it will never be anywhere near Chipper.
As for “centerpiece of the future”, of course he is. But he’s not ready yet, and he’s not going to get any better pressing. He has to learn how to recognize pitches. He doesn’t have to be a high-walk guy, but he has to stop swinging at pitches he has no chance of hitting and at least keep the pitchers honest.
And Roachy boots the ball……
johnson brings out the worst in Roachy…
oh LOOK, a LaRoche fielding error. from the great defensive stalwart???? Shocker!!!
Let’s see how many runs Roachys error costs us.
lol Frenchy has a freaking cannon for an arm. He should be pitching not hitting.
While he’s not going to reproduce July’s performace with any regularity, for a player with 127 games of ML experience you can’t throw out 70 games as completely irrelevant. If he plays for a fair amount in proportion to the ‘fluke period’, then you can make your claim.
But it makes sense to come to that conclusion b/c thats what Braves Journal has come to be about. Looking at the last 2 weeks of a player and deciding whether or not they should live or die. I think we should track the proportion of excessively-negative player evaluations in relation to future player performance. I think we will find for the times the haters were dead-on (Kolb, Reitsma) they had many times they were dead-off (Andruw, Furcal last year). Interestingly enough that doesen’t seem to cause people to reflect on their negativity any more than Jeff’s failure at the plate causes him to take more pitches.
2 runs off of Roachys error. Awesome.
Why can’t our outfielders hit the goddamn cut-off man?
Ugh.
So, the great LaRoche has allowed the Nats to tie this game. W will probably lose this one too.
Way to go Jeremy, you want to jinx us some more?
“Why can’t our outfielders hit the goddamn cut-off man?
Ugh. “
…and more crap to come…
I honestly don’t know how much is the pitching and how much is the defense. Even the good defensive players are screwing up. Sheesh.
Wow, we really suck.
So I assume we all hate Giles now, too, right?
AHhahajhahahahahahahhah omg. wow, this game is over. GOOD GAME, we lose. We can’t do anything right.
wow.. never have I just been so, just completely fed up with the braves..
frustrating
…and this is why f-ng LaRoche needs to be off this damned roster. Sick of his sh–. He started this whole f-ng inning. He kills everyone’s confidence.
No raver, unlike roachy, Giles does by far more good than bad.
Uncle!
Frenchy’s arm just held another runner at 3rd. If nothing else, that’s why they don’t bench him.
Hudson is now clearly done at this pt.
But we have no relief.
I imagine LaRoache’s confidence killing play probably wore Huddy out.
its not much fun to be a brave or a braves fan right now. i seriously hope we can pull this one out. what a terrible feeling this is.
Alex R. says: “Giles made an error. KILL LAROCHE!!1”
Common, guys. Have some perspective here.
What is with Laroche’s facial hair? He has a Fu Manchu with no mustache. WTF?
Jeremy, I was wondering the same thing. But trying to explain Roachy is futile.
Raver, roachy has been pissing us off all season so where is YOUR perspective?
Thanks Landogarner.
it’s not that I have been happy with Marcus most of this season, but he has major talent…LaRoche is a waste of space.
And HE STARTED THIS WHOLE HORRIFYING INNING.
McBride is a stud. I like this kid.
To most here the biggest problem the Braves have is postseason failure……….
LaRoche in the Post Season:
.320 .433 .640
Yes its a small set but that three run jack in 04 in Game 4 was nice wasn’t it. He has some permanent spot in my heart for that one.
Stop the bleeding please!
Doesn’t everyone just love the way the HEART of our supposed order comes roaring back after the Nats big inning? It’s like, someone comes back against us now and we tuck our tails in and trot to the dugout.
What a bunch of losers these guys are becoming. It’s making me incredibly angry.
Oh man, that growth on roachys face is hilarious. lol
You make a good point Charles. But failures this year could cost us a chance to be in the postseason. If LaRoche, Francouer, and Langerhans don’t improve, not to mention others struggling, too much pressure is put on Chipper, Andruw, Smoltz, and Hudson.
Frenchy!!!!!!
I think they heard you, Raoul.
That must have been a fluke!!!
The way things are going, I’m surprised that didn’t hit a bird and land in Soriano’s glove.
Hey, look! LaRoche just scored a run!!
GJ, Frenchy!! 😀
Alex R., it doesn’t seem like you understand the pace of baseball. Chances are always in favor of hitters failing. It doesn’t mean our guys have a losing attitude now because they didn’t respond immediatley to that inning. We did have the lead…
Wow…it’s good to see someone tried to come back despite our “heart” of the lineup.
Hey, all three guys I mentioned came through there. How’s that response Alex?
WOOHOO!!! Thank You Jeffrey!
oh and David O’Brien just said…
“Don’t believe what you might hear on airwaves about a players-only meeting. It was totally insignificant and merely involved a discussion of their need to elect a player rep because they’re the only team that doesn’t have one. That’s it. Nothing more, regardless of what some misinformed folks might say.”
Time to leave work- was enjoying this discussion, be back later to make some cheap shots.
w00t!
C’mon Dub!
BETAMEAT TO THE RESCUE, come on wilson!
FWIW, LaRoche started this inning, too with his 2-out walk. 😉
I will take ANY signs of life I can get.
Where were the Jones boys though? The “leaders”?
The past 25 or so posts continuously and Charles, mraver, and Raoul Duke are really making some good points tonight. This, of course, is in sharp contrast to Alex R.’s.
CJ is 1-2 and AJ has an RBI. Not bad.
That’s the point though Raver. Almost EVERY single time I see Roachy doing something good it’s during a game where he cost us runs. It’s sickening.
The bully better keep us in it.
Earnest ragging on the Braves is the key to their success. You cannot invoke it by knowingly ragging on the Braves. It just happens.
“I will take ANY signs of life I can get.
Where were the Jones boys though? The “leaders”? ”
It’s good that you are always able to point out things that are going poorly. I mean, otherwise we might be optimistic and happy that we just cut the lead to 1 run. Thank god we don’t feel that way.
We could win 10-0 and Alex R. would talk about LaRoche’s strike out after his homerun.
What’s that the third great stop by Giles tonight?
I am glad you don’t fceel I make any good points Rob Cope…I didn’t want you to feel alone.
I mean…you don’t agree with me but why do you have to be nasty to me? It’s my fault LaRoche made an error?
That’s no lie Rob.
Ugh, we’re going to let them get those runs right back. Every player is melting down defensively.
Oh Alex, with the shite you talk about our best players and our beloved manager, any tone or comment is fair game with you.
Excuse me, lollypop crew, did we not just get swept at HOME BY THE FREAKING DIAMONDBACKS, 4 GAMES?????
But I am the bad guy? You attack me? I am the only one not allowed to ever be in a bad kood in here?
I think it’s f-ng bullshit.
Dan, Giles did a good job just gloving that ball. Would have been hard to throw out even if he handled it cleanly.
No, but it’s your fault that you have the most negative attitude of anyone on this board. One time I would like to come read and participate in these game threads without sifting through your negative, irrational, and worthless posts. If you hate the freakin’ Braves so bad, go root for the Mets.
We’re being competitive against a team that’s hot right now. We just scored two runs to cut the lead. Quit spreading your negative attitude.
Every day with Paranto is a n adventure…. Just need 1 more now.
Alex, you do make plenty of good points. But they’re correct, you do mention LaRoche a lot, even when he didn’t do anything. Cut him some slack, he just got his batting average at .250.
Alex, everyone was sick of your f-ing bullshit long before the Diamondbacks came in and swept us. We could finish last in our division and I would still think of you as a bad guy.
I guess bad guy in terms of commenting on the Braves, you may be a good guy in the flesh.
mood…typing too fast.
And I am sorry…am I alone in seeing Chipper’s slump?
and there are many in here who are not happy with Cox…for many years.
I think it’s bullshit beyond belief that people attack others in here for not kissing ass and agreeing w/ everything everyone says. I think its also bullshit that I am not allowed to have my own opinions.
I’m surprised Paronto’s era is that low.
You’re allowed to say whatever Alex, but I’m allowed to think most of your comments are sensational, disconnected with reality, arrogant, naive, and often idiotic.
We just have the same right.
And now we get to go againsit Majewski. ^^
Alex R., I know others are cussing here, but you’re one of the reasons there’s a no cussing policy here. And I, for one, don’t wanna hear it from you. That’s not the issue…
And who said we’re kissing butt? Just because we don’t destroy the manager who built our dynasty nightly and crucify (no pun intended; I’ll leave Jewish-Messiah comments to myself as well) every player who’s struggling doesn’t make us butt-kissers.
Alex, I can’t believe some of the moves Bobby makes and I get upset with him sometimes. But then I remember that we’ve won 14 consecutive division division titles and that doesn’t happen with a bad, or even an above average, manager.
Fine, bye…if everyone wants me off of here, then I asked this before, I will leave. I am not going to stay where I am not wanted because I am not a bad guy…I am just a guy who adores the Braves and hates the way this team is.
and For your information, I got into a fight with my dad this weekend, a Mets fan, attacking the way the Mets buy all their players and sticking up for MY Braves.
Goodbye. This is really a nasty turn to turn on a fellow Braves poster. I am sick to death of not being allowed to have my own opinions without people jumping down my throat.
I had taken no personal shots at any of you…look back at the comments. That’s one sided and it makes you guys bad by taking personal attacks on me.
And thats just not right.
Chipper is slumping, but he’s not a loser Alex. Losers typically fall into the frequent computer users like us and not former MVPs in the majors.
There are only two people on this board who constantly put down Bobby Cox. Alex R. and Brad. That is not many.
He also ignores positive contributions by the players he hates and chooses to magnify the things that will support his negative agenda.
I enjoy your opinions, Alex.
Don’t leave.
Alex gets all dramatic now. Alex can dish it out, but he can’t take a single lick. Total hypocrisy Alex, don’t rip everyone wearing the A, if you can’t handle some coming back to you. Actually expect a lot more coming to you when you insult our team.
What the hell is up with this “OH WEE OH” crap they’ve been playing on the PA recently? It’s pretty lame.
Well that was disappointing. Two reasonably hard-hit balls amount to nothing….
Sounds like the wind may have cost Renteria a homer, too.
Alex, don’t try to make me and others feel guilty for your decision to leave. I wouldn’t miss all your sh*t talk for a minute.
OMG lol, has anyone seen this MC Hammer commercial with the braves for turner south? That is hilarious!
OMG, why Yates in a one run game!?
Did anyone else think that country song “Gone” was lame last year? It was used after homeruns sometimes.
Definitely with Raoul Duke on this one. Mac will probably tell us to play nice, but requesting a decent environment to follow the Braves game (especially those without Turner South) without bashing of the Braves and each of its players is not too much. Personally, it diminishes the quality of site that Mac has made.
Here we go.
Ehh. Perhaps Mac is right about Renteria. I was really hoping his misadventures in Boston last year were an anomoly, but he really doesn’t seem like the premier defender he was in St. Louis.
I totally agree with Rob and Raoul Duke as well. I don’t understand why Alex is so negative. Whenever something positive happens like the Frenchy home run, where was he?
Who cares? He’s one of the most consistant hitters in the game right now.
Spot on Rob. It’s inanely immature to have every game discussion degenerate into defending/bashing our Great Manager and Hall of Fame players. I don’t have TS of FSN south and miss most the games. But I don’t come here often because the discussion is always being dominated by the spoiled.
Good point on Renteria Landogarner. He may not be Furcal around the bag, but Furcal isn’t Renteria with the stick.
Ok I didn’t want to say anything but can we talk about the game? You guys are almost as bad as Alex is now. Stop talking about him geeze.
To All,
I may have a right to my opinions but if I am bringing everyone down, I sincerely apologize. I am truly sorry. I mean it.
Good night, Alex R.
It’s hard not to be upset, but he’s right.
That response might have been acceptable from Adam LaRoche’s mother. Maybe. Good grief.
Damnit. No more bully bow ups!
My goodness such venom in here. I normally try to avoid any kind of personal “confrontation” online with anyone, because its really pointless and generally only leads to frustration.
That said, I don’t always agree with Alex R., but often times I do. He insults players and Cox, and probably JS, Pendelton, McDowell, and maybe even Bobby Dews. Sometimes his insults have merit, sometimes they’re a little misplaced. But reading these last few posts it does seem like a lot of you guys are just piling on Alex for no good reason. Once in a while I’ll yell at the TV when something boneheaded happens (earlier I yelled at Marcus for trying to get the runner at home when he really didn’t have a shot.) Alex just posts his “yells” here, and you guys take him overly seriously, and attack him personally.
So Alex is negative. Right now I think he has every right to be. Barring a comeback, we’re looking at losing five in a row, and 6 of the last seven. All at home! My goodness, if one can’t be negative now, when could one?
Total hypocrisy Alex, don’t rip everyone wearing the A, if you can’t handle some coming back to you. Actually expect a lot more coming to you when you insult our team.
If you’re upset at Alex for tearing down the players, wouldn’t it be better to try and defend them(where possible)? Instead of becoming overly negative yourself towards someone who, believe it or not, actually wants the team to do as well as you want them to?
Whew! C’mon on now!
Solid performances from the pen tonight. McBride, Paronto, Yates. Always looking for positives.
Please LatNam, I’ve defended our players to no end.
Why should I be defending Hall of Famers anyway? Alex is clearly misguided when saying the things he does about people who’ve put their stamp on the game forever.
Let’s talk baseball now as Lando said.
Yeah, I’d like to see McBride given more opportunities. He’s been looking pretty good.
Good start! Rally cap time.
Anything to improve this band of misfits we call the Atlanta bullpen. I think we’re all justified in tearing these guys performances down.
Let’s see if Roachy can redeem himself here.
Please do Roach.
Roachy puts down the nice sacrifice. Let’s get Andruw in.
Haha. LOL.
Ok, semi-redeeming.
Lol one of the only ways Frenchy can get walks!
Earl Weaver special baby, c’mon!
6’11???? Damn what is he doing in baseball?
washington is much improved no? I said erlier that they are good. They will catch up some in the standings…..watch out.
Wow is this bizzaro day? Our bullpen did very well tonight.
I’ve posted the obvious Braves loss on another board. Like I said before, I don’t expect anything good.
Washington is getting dangerously close to us.
Please lose Mets, Phillies.
Nice swing at ball four there Giles.
renty will get something to hit here
Whoop dee doo.
I have a gut feeling Chipper will hit a home run. I don’t believe it.
chip..we need the biggest hit of the year right here
Same feeling here Sam, what good is that Renteria hit with two outs? It almost always mean no runs.
chip will get something to hit here
Andruw, with Pujols out, you can be NL MVP.
Zambrano no hitter in the bottom of the 8th @Houston
here it goes
andruw will get something to hit here
Whee, bases loaded
LaRoche, please. Please. Come on.
laroche WILL get something to hit here
o, lord.
Far be it for me to say, but there just might be some poetic justice if LaRoche comes through here.
I’ll have a bit more to say, but let’s just stick to the game for the moment.
LaRoche keeps going to left.
Lame.
… I feel like screaming at the top of my lungs right now.
You see, Roachy cost us a couple runs and he freaking strikes out when we need him the most. This is why I hate him and this is why I would be so happy if we got rid of him.
Wow…this is really deflating.
Well, somedays you eat the dog and somedays the dog eats you.
That’s been one big, fat happy dog over the last week. Jeez. Luckily, it’s baseball so see y’all back tomorrow.
I was watching the Zambrano no-hitter and listening to the Braves game at the same time, and within a span of about 5 seconds, the no-no was lost and the Braves lost. There goes my excitement.
Dang, sorry I missed all the action tonight. In here, I mean; certainly not on the field. I was happy to miss that.
I will stand up for Alex R., and not just b/c I’ve been grouped with him. We call it like we see it, and while I like bobby cox, what he did years ago doesn’t mean he’s immune from criticism today. He makes boneheaded moves that should be questioned. Doesn’t mean we’re bad americans or bad braves fans.
That being said, this isn’t all bobby. As I’ve said from day one, this is JS’s mess.
Well, tomorrow’s a new day…maybe we can something positive then
I pray for a Mets and Phillies lose and worry about falling into fourth place (Nationals getting close, now only two behind us.)
P.S.: LaRoche didn’t strike out.
You see, Roachy cost us a couple runs and he freaking strikes out when we need him the most. This is why I hate him and this is why I would be so happy if we got rid of him.
Careful there Lando, if you keep expressing opinions like that, it’ll only be a matter of time before people gang up on you with personal insults.
But, yeah, I had no confidence in LaRoche in that spot…
Just ick.
I knew he wasn’t going to drive anyone in. The Braves can’t do anything right when it REALLY counts.
Dan, yes, yes he did. Literally.