ABS Reps
Joe Sewell had 8,333 plate appearances in a career that went from 1920-1933. In that career, he walked 842 times and struck out 114 times. In a 14 year career, he struck out a little over twice as many times as Javier Báez struck out in August 2014. The strikeout rates of players before my time are a little otherwordly to me. Luis Arraez is the modern equivalent, and he strikes out about three times as often as Sewell did.
So suppose ABS had existed in Sewell’s day? Would he have struck out more or less? The answer (“we don’t know”) should be obvious — We know virtually nothing of the accuracy of the strike zone in those days. We don’t know whether Sewell tended to strike out taking or swinging. We know little about the accuracy of pitchers. On the other hand, we know all of that for Luis Arraez. And Statcast has now begun to analyze the ABS results this season. I’m still in the process of writing up an ABS challenge model, but Statcast ahs beaten me to it, and I can discuss some of its early results.
Firs, what should you look at? Everyone so far has focused on percent of challenges upheld. And obvously some players are better at this than others. But that clearly isn’t the best metric, because it completely ignores the times you should have challenged and you didn’t. People don’t think about that, because not challenging a call was the status quo for 150 years. But you should. Offensive and defensive players have been handed a new weapon to make their offensive and defensive productions better. The correct metric is how well they are using it.
So in Statcast, what you ought to look at is this chart. This is the chart that ought to be followed as the season progresses to see what teams are getting from the ABS system. And the first column Runs Gained vs. Expected, is exactly the column to use. What is it? Well, two columns to its right is Runs Gained, which is just the sum of runs gained on offense and runs gained on defense. Note that in the ABS system you can only gain runs. If you win a challenge, you gain runs, since the situation of changing a strike to a ball improves the run prospect for the offense, for example. but losing the challenge costs you only an opportunity to challenge later. (And for those who are new to a runs-gained metric, every 10 runs, approximately, generate an additional win.
But that’s not quite the right measure, becuase you have to measure against what you’d expect to pick up to figure out whether your ABS challenge practices are helping or hurting relative to other teams. I haven’t wuite tracked down exactly what they’re doing to generate the expected number, but I know they have the right inputs: the count and inning and bases occupied and run situation.
I’ll talk about that more when I understand it better in the future, but for now, here’s what we see. Minnesota has challenged the most, and also has the highest gain relative to expected. The clear lesson here is that teams aren’t challenging enough. In parallel, the teams who are losing opportunities are indeed the teams who have challenged the least. So, at least early on, the problem isn’t losing challenges. It’s not challenging enough. Will teams learn? We shall see.
The other lesson is that while I have focused on the Braves poor results in challenge percentage. (and indeed they are near dead-last in percentage of offensive challenges won) they are actually not bad at all in net runs gained, currently sitting in 9th place at 1 net run gained. (1 net run gained is of course almost worthless… but it could have been worse. Cleveland has lost 14 runs against expectation.)
The Game
Kyle Schwarber cannot be held down forever. (He had a single in 8 at-bats in the first two games of the series.) A two-run homer in the first broke the ice. The top of the second was a huge ABS win for the Phillies. With two outs and men on first and second, a 3-2 pitch to Mauricio Dubón was called ball four. Bases loaded and two outs is worth an expected 0.22 runs. The overturn of the call saved those 0.22 runs.
The next Braves batter, Michael Harris II leading off the third, smeared an Andrew Painter curve ball to left to make it 2-1. For what seems like the first time ever, Folk Hero™ Dom Smith failed with 2nd and 3rd and one out in the fourth.
In the fifth, Painter dried up. after opening singles to Acuña and Baldwin, he was replaced by Tim Mayza (what you call Corna) who proceeded to hock up the lead with a walk, an infield out and infield single and a double. But in the bottom of the fifth, Sherlocks got into some difficulty and Aaron Bummer came in and gave up a double to Schwarber to face Bryce Harper representing the go-ahead run. Bummer may well be no better than Mayza, but he was bailed out by a nice play by Austin Riley and Olson to keep it 5-3.
Tyler Kinley took the 6th and survived another 2 man on scare. Right now, the Phillies seem to be in one of those ruts where they can’t get men on but can’t score. This one ended on a called third strike to Schwarber. These things come and go, and facing the Phillies while this is happening is an juicy piece of luck. In fact, Atlanta proceeded to hibernate after the fifth as well. But hibernation with the lead is a venial sin, not a mortal one.
Raisel Iglesias took the 9th. Bryson Stott led off with a bloop double (a play I think Eli White could have made, but didn’t) which made it interesting. After a pop out, he walked Justin Crawford (his first walk of the year) to turn the lineup over wioth they the winning run represented first, by Trea Turner who struck out, and Schwarber, who lined out to Acuña to end it.
A Quick Note on Announcing
Since Chip left, I have had very little to say about announcing, proving once and for all that I’m not just an announcing curmufgeon. Gaudin and Nitkowski are fine. AJ Pierczinski and Adam Wainwright who do the Fox color are fine as well.
And then there’s John Kruk. Kruk is a beloved figure in Philadelphia and I liked him as a player. And his baseball commentary is quite good. But his I’m-just-a-dumb-jock shtick grows old. He might even be sincere. But it is really tiresome. The Phillies announcing team is very good, including Kruk, until he goes into his Aw-shucks routine.
That said, he told a great story in the 8th. It started with this incident, in which Wally Richie hit Otis Nixon and Otis charged the mound and got a pretty good piece of Richie. Richie, after serving a suspension, came back and was going to hit Kirk Gibson for some transgression of the unwritten rules. His manager came out and said: “Don’t hit Gibson.” Richie said: “I have to. Gibson can’t do that.” And the manager said: “Otis beat you up. Just think of what Gibson would do to you.”

Funny… it’s true — Otis really socked him a few good ones.
Kruk was actually a pretty good offensive player… didn’t strike out that much either.
Let’s keep this train rollin’ in D.C.
I was going to put this question in the “ask the editor” page, but there was no link to place a comment. Anyway, Anderson’s passing got me looking and reminiscing about the 2009 Braves. Seeing Peter Moylan’s name there got me wondering, have the Braves had more Aussies play for them than any other MLB team? I can recall Moylan, Damien Moss and some other side-winding righty whose name has passed from my memory. That seems quite a few, the paucity of baseball played over here (though it is growing).
I’m really liking this team so far. The trade for Dubon is one of the best from this offseason. A great move from AA.
ChatGPT is not aware of the third player of which you speak. The record for Ausssies is the Twins:
Notable Australians who played for the Twins:
Grant Balfour
Luke Hughes
Liam Hendriks
James Beresford
Logan Wade
Lewis Thorpe
I don’t think he ever made the majors, but a few decades ago there was also a SS prospect from Australia named I think Glenn Williams who got a lot of attention.
The complete list, sorted by team (and to Ask the Editor, just click the Post name (not the section heading whioch is confusingly also named Ask the Editor, because UX is not his strong suit):
MIN: 9
Glenn Williams
Liam Hendriks
Aaron Whitefield
Grant Balfour
Lewis Thorpe
James Beresford
Brad Thomas
Justin Huber
Luke Hughes
OAK: 6
Travis Blackley
Jack O’Loughlin
Luke Hughes
Liam Hendriks
Grant Balfour
Rich Thompson
LAN: 5
Trent Oeltjen
Peter Moylan
Craig Shipley
Jeff Williams
Luke Prokopec
SDN: 5
Josh Spence
Mark Ettles
Craig Shipley
Justin Huber
Chris Oxspring
ANA: 4
Trent Durrington
Craig Shipley
Rich Thompson
Aaron Whitefield
BAL: 4
Alexander Wells
Alex Wells
Damian Moss
John Stephens
KCA: 4
Liam Hendriks
Graeme Lloyd
Peter Moylan
Justin Huber
MIL: 4
Dave Nilsson
Graeme Lloyd
Trent Durrington
Grant Balfour
CHA: 3
Shane Lindsay
Liam Hendriks
Curtis Mead
TBA: 3
Curtis Mead
Damian Moss
Grant Balfour
TOR: 3
Luke Prokopec
Liam Hendriks
Graeme Lloyd
ALS: 2
Grant Balfour
Liam Hendriks
ARI: 2
Trent Oeltjen
Ryan Rowland-Smith
ATL: 2
Peter Moylan
Damian Moss
CIN: 2
Joe Quinn
Mark Hutton
DET: 2
Brad Thomas
Warwick Saupold
FLO: 2
Mark Hutton
Graeme Lloyd
HOU: 2
Travis Blackley
Craig Shipley
MON: 2
Shayne Bennett
Graeme Lloyd
NYA: 2
Mark Hutton
Graeme Lloyd
NYN: 2
Craig Shipley
Graeme Lloyd
SEA: 2
Ryan Rowland-Smith
Travis Blackley
SFN: 2
Damian Moss
Travis Blackley
BLN: 1
Joe Quinn
BOS: 1
Liam Hendriks
CL4: 1
Joe Quinn
CLE: 1
Cameron Cairncross
COL: 1
Mark Hutton
NLS: 1
Dave Nilsson
PHI: 1
Brad Harman
SLN: 1
Joe Quinn
TEX: 1
Travis Blackley
WS1: 1
Joe Quinn
For those who don’t speak Retrosheet, ALS and NLS are the two All Star Teams, CL4 is the Cleveland Spiders and BLN is the National League Baltimore Orioles and WS1 are the original Washington Senators.
Good stuff, thanks Jonathan. 9 players for the Twins, eh. I would never have guessed that many, we must produce more baseballer’s down under than I thought.
I’ll have to look around for that mythical third player, because I could’ve sworn Moylan talked about him playing for the Braves briefly around 2012 or so. But my memory is probably playing tricks again.
Great write-up. And great game. Seemed to me to hinge on two … wait for it … great fielding plays that you highlighted: Riley’s Graig-Nettlesesque stop along the line and throw from foul ground (and Olson’s very professional scoop), and Ronald tracking down that line drive on the last pitch of the game.
Also agree that Eli White should have caught that shallow fly ball at the beginning of the ninth. I have been trying to get my head around the importance (or non-importance) of fielding in MLB. My highly, highly subjective impression is that I have seen a lot of Little League fielding in MLB this year, perhaps more so in games not involving the Braves. Have I? (It’s so hard to measure.) If I have, what’s up with that? (If I haven’t, what’s up with me?)
I’ve been meaning to write something up about this. You’re not wrong. But the explanation is pretty simple. Hitting is a tremendously scarce skill, and it’s gotten scarcer. Since hitting and fielding are not perfectly correlated (or anywhere close to perfectly correlated) skills, the optimal configuration will sacrifice fielding for hitting when hitting becomes more scarce. The complication arises because fielding is much, much easier to teach than hitting…. fielder placement alone can do a lot of compensation for subpar fielding skills. But there’s a reason that Nick Allen’s can’t find places to play regularly and Nick Castellano’s can, when thirty years ago teams regularly carried guys who couldn’t hit.
That said, by the way, “Little League” is more than a little harsh. Even the worst defensive players I ever saw would pretty much dominate Little League defensive play…. well maybe not Greg Luzinski.
Fantastic. I’ll look forward to what you have to say about this. In the meantime, your point about relative scarcity is well-taken.
By “Little League” I am referring to a genre of plays typical in that environment: Pop flies falling in between two or more fielders; wild throws in the infield when there is no chance of getting runner; concatenation of such throws as runner circles the bases.
As for Greg Luzinski … ouch. Never liked him that much in the majors, but I got to watch him as a minor league player, and he stood out there — slugging! — in a way that made him seem unique to me. Only parallel in the years since (I am talking slugging at the minor league level that I watched in person) was Ryan Howard.
The Braves’ defense has, by and large, been excellent this year. They’re tied for second-best in Outs Above Average (+9). It’s really made things look good on the run prevention front. And I agree, those plays from Riley and Ronald were very important in determining the outcome of this one.
Dubón’s diving stop on the Turner groundout in the 3rd was great too — he may not be a Nick Allen level defender, but he’s been really solid this year at short.
The ball that White missed may have been more of a 50/50 ball. He covered the ground really well, just misjudged it.
Actually, I agree with you on the White ball. A bad defender, or even a somewhat slow defender, wouldn’t have been anywhere near it. When I said White should have had it, I meant “being White, he should have had it.” But he got there and then muffed the easier part… catching it. It’s not even completely clear that he had to dive/slide.
(This was supposed to be a reply to stampton) My guess is that it’s not just that hitting has become more scarce than it used to be (not 100% sure about that, but if Jonathan says so, I’ll buy it for now), but that front offices have become better at evaluating the relative value of hitting and fielding and have realized that hitting is relatively more valuable than they used to believe. I suspect it’s also that front offices have realized (sort of like Jonathan’s point) that fielder placement matters a lot too and often accounts for some of the previously perceived difference in fielder value between player A and player B.
I see parallels to this in lots of analysis-driven changes in the way the game is played. Remember how decades ago, teams only used to shift against Ted Williams and a handful of other players? Then they started shifting against many or most players until they were shifting so often that the rules were changed to prevent it. My guess is that the reason was mostly just front offices realizing that shifting worked for more players than they had thought, rather than that batted ball patterns changed that much. Similarly, I don’t think the trend of starters pitching fewer & fewer innings was because starters suddenly began to lose effectiveness earlier, but more that front offices realized that pretty much throughout baseball history, starters lost effectiveness each additional time they faced a batter.
We really scalded the ball last night but it didn’t show up as much in the box score as it could’ve. Lots of barreled line outs.
Drake Baldwin is unbelievable to me. He is so calm and professional, handles the staff maturely, and then he pretty much hit at an elite level right away. Then he has challenged two pitches in the last couple of days, one as catcher that was a strike by a sliver, and one as a batter that was a ball by less than an inch. And he looks so confident doing it like oh sure, anyone can discriminate an inch on a ball moving 95 mph.
JonF, I’m not sure I follow on the hitting scarcity thing. It sounds like you’re saying hitting is more scarce than it used to be so teams are less likely to carry pure glove men than they did when hitting was more abundant. It seems like hitting being scarce, there isn’t necessarily a good bat to replace Nick Allen with so his relative value goes up. Conversely, when there were more bats to go around, the runs you gave up playing a weak-hitting glove guy were more pronounced.
That’s why I plan to write it up. But think about it this way. Rank every player on fielding and batting on some scale. Now assign a weight to each which gives some index “useful”. Now raise the weight on hitting because hitting has become scarce. When this happens, there are a lot of players with lower fielding and higher hitting ratings who become useful. And other players with high fielding numbers who become relatively less useful as a result, even though their overall rating has risen. The flaw in your thinking is that you aren’t considering those players who weren’t major leaguers at the old weights but are now… the guys who get squeezed out are those whose value is mostly fielding. (Note: this is complicated by the fact that I’m not including position, but the same analysis comes through by position; it’s just that the weights are different by position — and then you have to decide how to treat guys with more than one position.)
Hey crew! Boy oh boy isn’t this fun! And to think what could happen when Acuña starts producing. Also, there’s a lot of pitching talent in the minors that can be called upon with none, or very little, loss in quality. This team looks like they could make a big run again and not just this year. The farm is about to really show what it’s worth.
My brother has become a huge Braves fan, so it’s yet another thing him and I connect on, which is fun. And he was texting me this morning, “Who do they remove to make room for Strider?” And I gave my new standard answer of, “These things fix themselves,” but then it morphed into a conversation about keeping them all healthy for October. And then I got to thinking that barring a couple of injuries, we will add Schwellenbach, Waldrep, and AJSS to the list of guys we have right now. We would easily have enough pitching to compete with the Dodgers and certainly everyone else in the postseason. But, as I said, these things fix themselves.
Is that your brother who was on Conan back then? Is he still doing stand-up?
Four team stats that’ll help a club go 15-7:
1) The Braves lead MLB w/ a 2.66 ERA… starters & relievers almost identical. (Detroit is 2nd @ 3.21)
2) The Braves lead MLB in runs w/ 122.
3) The Braves offense leads in the NL in fewest strikeouts w/ 168.
4) And, of course, the Braves lead MLB with a run differential of +57.
BTW, this week’s foes, the Nationals, have an NL-worst team ERA of 5.65. (Phils are 2nd worst at 4.84.) The Nats are 10-12 because, so far, they can definitely hit.
Man, the fact that the Braves have the fewest strikeouts is exciting. The Hyers era is taking off
RAJ picked off 1B again… nobody out & down 2-0.
That’s really gotta get fixed.
EDIT: Hey, it’s nothing that a Drake single & an Olson bomb can’t cover up.
Matty O is hitting like it’s 2023.
I know it’s early, but so far we’re not seeing the baserunning benefits that were promised when Antoan Richardson was hired. I wonder whether all the pickoffs stem from players adjusting to different advice from Richardson about reading pitchers. I’m guessing they will figure it out.
Probably overdue for one of “those” games.
Man, Drake can really swing the stick.
I hope Roger was watching as Ozzie put the ball in play with a runner on third and one out.
I was – on Gameday. TV not available in mid-Atlantic.
Why is acuna out of the game?
Hit by pitch, twice. Second time in the hand.
not good, and thanks
I know it’s cold out there, but the Nats are handling the ball like a hand grenade.
Hey, nice squeeze play… and if there’s ever a time to pull it, this is the spot
Abrams is a great young player, but woof. Shades of a young Jose Offerman tonight.
Or Lionel Messi
5 run lead… Payamps Padding
And Al Davis said “just win, baby.”
To me that may have been Elder’s best start of the year and may have shown that he’s turned a corner. He did not have his best stuff and things didn’t always go his way. However, he hung in there and kept us in the game against a team that is hitting really well. Last year I think he would have imploded at some point.
Yeah, he gave the team innings, and from a fifth starter, a quality start is not a bad performance. I think the Nats offense is partly doing it with smoke and mirrors – their best hitters by talent are Wood and Abrams, and they’re separated by four spots in the lineup; their third-best is Daylen Lile, who came out of nowhere last year, and then it’s a bunch of guys I wouldn’t trust further than I could throw. But they’re feisty.
Why does Ronald keep getting picked off? My general guess is that he’s lost half a step and isn’t quite comfortable at his new speed; he keeps on expecting he’ll have that extra gear that he used to be able to count on to get him safe to the bag, and it’s not there any more after all the knee surgeries. But I don’t know, and in the meantime he’s made a whole lot of outs on the bases. I sure hope Antoan Richardson will be able to help us become better baserunners, because thus far it has been a real weakness.
I think Richardson is probably teaching them things that will pay off in the end but are causing mistakes right now. Acuna ran like hell during winter ball and spring training, so I’m sure he’ll get back to his ways. I would also assume that just like how struggling at the plate can affect you in the field, struggling at the plate can also affect you on the base paths.
This is similar to the sentiment about Hyers around here up until September or so. Now we’re all giddy fan boys about him. Sometimes the best learning happens when you apply a new skill incorrectly and see the effects.
X-Rays on RAJ’s hand are negative.
And in other injury news, Raisel Iglesias goes on 15-day IL with shoulder inflammation.
Also, Dodgers’ big-ticket closer Edwin Diaz to have elbow surgery… out 3 months.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/48544759/los-angeles-dodgers-put-closer-edwin-diaz-injured-list
recapped.