I’ve never liked that song before but that video is a lot of fun.
DWonder
on July 6, 2011 at 3:18 pm
I don’t understand the “logic” behind AGony hitting in the 2 hole.
And didn’t Uggla suck a little bit less hitting 2nd?
csg
on July 6, 2011 at 3:27 pm
I guess it goes to show you that lineups dont change the outcome that much. I hate this lineup, but its worked.
Chipper is better hitting 3rd.
Bmac is better hitting 4th.
Uggla is better in the 4th or 7th spot.
Schafer sucks leading off.
AAG sucks everywhere.
Just throw darts and hope for good pitching.
jjschiller
on July 6, 2011 at 3:31 pm
I think MRSA is trying to “get Gonzalez going” by getting some fastballs “to hit” because “Schafer’s going to be on base” ahead of him.
desert
on July 6, 2011 at 3:32 pm
I don’t get this whole ‘he’s better at batting at X spot in the lineup’ thing. If a player sucks, then 50 abs’ of ‘evidence’ in a certain lineup spot isn’t going to change the fact that they still suck.
The only real lineup optimization is when you bat your better players early, and your bad players late.
Ethan
on July 6, 2011 at 3:35 pm
Seeing the Frediot’s lineups on a daily basis is like looking at a tinker-toy abominations of a 3 year old.
There’s no way to explain AAG hitting second that isn’t absurd.
Of course, if JJ holds serve with Doc on the race to the starting AS gig, tonight’s lineup won’t really matter.
ryan c
on July 6, 2011 at 3:46 pm
Pastornicky hit for the cycle last night and is now up to a .767 ops. What’s also pretty great about him is that he’s only struck out in 10% of his at-bats.
Good defense and all, I’ll be happy if we let Alex walk next year. His plate approach is infuriating at times. He’s down to a .625 ops and has lost quite a bit of his value of late (down to a 1 WAR overall).
With this pitching, I’ll take his D. He is what he is.
jjschiller
on July 6, 2011 at 4:01 pm
Isn’t there anyone out there who can pick it AND hit it?
I mean, besides Jose Reyes?
desert
on July 6, 2011 at 4:02 pm
Imagining a Feliz/Venters/Kimbrel bullpen right now… along with Andrus at short…
Well, the principles behind the Teixeira deal and the McGriff/Hudson deal are the same. You win some, you lose some.
The fact that Teixeira is the 4th(!) highest paid player in the game does not cease to baffle me. That, and the fact that Joe Mauer is the 5th highest paid player. I understand that if you’re the Twins, you have to make that deal or the fan base revolts; but, it seems so bad just one year later. I really think that Mauer’s a great example of why mid-market teams shouldn’t dole out any contracts longer than 4 or 5 years, which is something that the Braves are really good at. The Twins are in major trouble for the next decade if Mauer can’t come back.
I was clamoring for Werth over the offseason, but that Dan Uggla deal looks downright great compared to his.
13,
Troy T. of the Rockies. But, it’s quite apparent that there are not very many good SS’s in the league right now.
Marc Schneider
on July 6, 2011 at 4:10 pm
If you had Feliz, Venters would probably never have emerged. As for Andrus, they thought Yunel was better.
The Mauer deal only seems bad in retrospect. There was no reason to expect him to get hurt.
BTW,how is the Braves attendence relative to last year? My understanding is that normally it picks up after school but I am still seeing a lot of small crowds. I understand the problems with access to the stadium and so forth, but I would have thought a good team would draw more fans.
braves14
on July 6, 2011 at 4:14 pm
The Braves are currently 15th in attendance with an average of about 28,000. Last year, they were 13th with an average of about 30,000.
Checked and discovered that it would be the first year since ’04 that attendance averaged below 30,000 and only the 2nd time in Turner Field history. So your hunch is right, Marc S., though since there are more summertime games to come that average may yet improve.
#13
When you’re talking about the Yankees, it doesn’t have to make any sense, relative to the rest of the clubs.
With YES Network, they have a license to print money & “overpay” players for as long as MLB lets them. They’ve spent scads of cash on people who didn’t contribute at all (Kei Igawa, Drew Henson, any number of middle relievers); so it shouldn’t be surprising that they overpaid on the premium signings (Sabathia, Teixeira, Giambi, Mussina, etc.)
Throw in the circumstances of the Teixeira signing—they stole him from the Sawx at the 11th hour—and it makes perfect sense in YankeeLand.
reaganman
on July 6, 2011 at 4:21 pm
@12 – J.J. Hardy. I think a deal for him is worth exploring. But it’s not very likely.
Oh, and Yunel Escobar. But that’s beside the point.
desert
on July 6, 2011 at 4:26 pm
14,
Mauer was one month away from his 27th birthday. Paying a catcher, coming off a career season, for his age 33-34-35 seasons sounds like an awful deal to me. Especially when that Catcher has already had surgery on his knees (2004). He also got unheard of money for a small-market club.
The Braves put Venters in their bullpen after a fantastic 2010 spring. That would have had nothing to do with keeping Feliz; Venters would simply have been another really good arm coming out. He earned the set-up role last year, and would have earned it even with Feliz around.
13,
Very true and valid points. I’m still surprised that four teams (Nats, Orioles, Sox, and Yanks, I believe) were willing to go that expensive on him.
Sam Hutcheson
on July 6, 2011 at 4:27 pm
I’d be surprised if AAG was not the starting SS for the Braves in 2012. McLouth’s gone and Kawakami’s off the books, so that’s your budget for picking up a CF. Pastonicky will need to play lights out in AAA the second half of this year and storm Spring Training to be considered ahead of another year of AAG.
jjschiller
on July 6, 2011 at 4:27 pm
On the last thread, someone said Heyward does’t need a platoon partner
.164/.271/.295/.567 this year against LH pitching.
.226/.335/.372/.706 career against LH pitching.
Adam R
on July 6, 2011 at 4:28 pm
I would like to see us in on Hardy if the Os can’t extend him. If they are becoming the slightest bit impatient with their young pitching, we should exploit the situation.
desert
on July 6, 2011 at 4:33 pm
20,
We probably should let that ‘career’ pan out a little before we make judgments. And he had a .755 OPS against Lefties his rookie season, at age 20. I venture that number is going to go up to at least .850 in his best seasons, but he’s not going to learn how to hit lefties sitting on the bench. Developmentally, he does not need a platoon partner.
Sam Hutcheson
on July 6, 2011 at 4:39 pm
@22,
Optimizing Heyward’s developmental path isn’t going to help much against Cole Hamels and Cliff Lee in the 2011 NLCS. Pennants fly forever.
Even if some of these “proposals” seem crazier than others, it’s nice to have a pretty deep well of trading options.
Dan
on July 6, 2011 at 5:37 pm
Juan Pierre‽ Please, no.
csg
on July 6, 2011 at 5:53 pm
#13 – you do realize that Andrus cant hit either, right?
Sam Hutcheson
on July 6, 2011 at 5:58 pm
#30 – Don’t confuse the “god we got so screwed by that Tiexiera deal” mojo by bringing up bothersome facts.
csg
on July 6, 2011 at 6:01 pm
Interesting discussion in some of the “chats” today. Would you trade Jurrjens for Stubbs?
braves14
on July 6, 2011 at 6:09 pm
32 — No.
Ethan
on July 6, 2011 at 6:11 pm
csg- No. I don’t see Stubb’s upside. He’s Nate McLouth w/better defense right now, and he wasn’t much more than that in the minors. I’d trade JJ for Jay Bruce though.
spike
on July 6, 2011 at 6:12 pm
@14, it has been hotter than seven hells this summer in Atlanta. Started getting into the 90s in late May, and just hasn’t stopped. We’ve also had many savage thunderstorms too.
jjschiller
on July 6, 2011 at 6:14 pm
@23 exactly.
@22 I’m just saying “Heyward holds his own against lefties” shouldn’t keep us from looking at Quentin (or another righty slugger) as a legit option. He hasn’t, in 2011, been worth a damn against lefties.
braves14
on July 6, 2011 at 6:18 pm
24 — That makes it sound like the Braves are planning to keep Schafer in CF when Prado returns barring a trade.
Catz
on July 6, 2011 at 6:18 pm
Is it just me or is it hilarious that AAG’s most similar player is the other Alex Gonzalez?
DWonder
on July 6, 2011 at 6:20 pm
Ive always despised Juan Pierre.
Lester is joining Bucholz on the DL and Lackey has been brutal…I wonder how much it would take to get Theo to give us Ellsbury?
Something else i’ve noticed this year and last year that makes them different than the previous 3-4 years, when we get into the late innings with a lead I don’t find myself wondering how we are going to blow the game
Trace
on July 6, 2011 at 6:23 pm
Fredi Gonzalez… secret genius?
Ethan
on July 6, 2011 at 6:24 pm
@39-I’d let them say no to Derek Lowe first and go from there.
@35, I always thought South Florida was the hottest place in the country and I was really nervous about moving here. I still can’t wrap my head around the fact that Atlanta has been routinely 10-15 degrees hotter all year.
Big D
on July 6, 2011 at 6:25 pm
Homer here for the cycle with the 1st 4 hitters of the game?
How ’bout a blowout tonight? Cook ain’t exactly fooling ’em.
Big D
on July 6, 2011 at 6:35 pm
@50 – It’s actually Gant in the booth tonight. But he and Jordan are virtually the same broadcaster (except I think Gant can actually say the letter ‘R’), and both are terrible for the exact same reasons.
csg
on July 6, 2011 at 6:37 pm
Schafer is very solid defensively, just wish his bat could keep him here.
PaulV
on July 6, 2011 at 6:38 pm
reverse mojo works for JS & AG.
csg
on July 6, 2011 at 6:40 pm
#33-34, I was thinking the same. Both chats said Cincy would turn that offer down. I was surprised.
Tom
on July 6, 2011 at 7:01 pm
26,
McLouth, Mike Minor, Tyler Pastornicky and Edward Salcedo for Hunter Pence
LOL. Why not Jurrjens, Hanson, Beachy and Heyward for Hunter Pence?
Krussell
on July 6, 2011 at 7:03 pm
Stuck with Phillies/Marlins here and it’s looking like a blowout. I guess if we just win every day from here on out then maybe we’ll make up 3 or 4 games.
So I have been out of town for about a week and you guys seem to be holding the the fort down. Good work
braves14
on July 6, 2011 at 7:20 pm
Joe, it’s not worth going nuts over whether or not a play is scored a hit or an error.
PaulV
on July 6, 2011 at 7:22 pm
Schaffer thinks he should be lead off man. Has he adjusted to speed of ML game?
Big D
on July 6, 2011 at 7:32 pm
Gant: “Helton’s splits have always been just as good on the road as at Coors field.”
Career home: .355/.452/.623/1.074
Career away: .292/.392/.481/.873
Helton’s been a very good (great?) player no matter where he’s swinging, but don’t try to say he (or anybody) is just as good away from CO.
csg
on July 6, 2011 at 7:52 pm
Gant clarified he was only talking about this year.
braves14
on July 6, 2011 at 7:56 pm
Doesn’t look like JJ will go more than 6 tonight.
braves14
on July 6, 2011 at 8:01 pm
Thanks, Rockies!
Big D
on July 6, 2011 at 8:06 pm
Ah, thanks csg. Didn’t catch that. He’s still boring, monotone, and uninsightful.
Brian J.
on July 6, 2011 at 8:10 pm
Uggla reaches 90% of the Mendoza line for the first time since June 14.
PaulV
on July 6, 2011 at 8:18 pm
Success
Tom
on July 6, 2011 at 8:19 pm
Fredi struck again. Why in the world did he go Lefty-Lefty there with Heyward??? I’m watching the game on the Rockies Channel, and their announcers were stunned.
PaulV
on July 6, 2011 at 8:24 pm
@79 Who else? Ross would not pinch hit til bottom of ninth.
Putter
on July 6, 2011 at 8:24 pm
The real question is…..in a 7-1 game does Fredi still use Venters for the 8th?
Tom
on July 6, 2011 at 8:29 pm
80, how about anyone but Heyward? We have two righties and a switch hitter on our bench, not counting Ross.
PaulV
on July 6, 2011 at 8:30 pm
That assumes Linebrink give up no runs
Putter
on July 6, 2011 at 8:32 pm
@83….a huge assumption
Big D
on July 6, 2011 at 8:32 pm
I swear, if Linebrink serves one up to Helton and we use Venters/Kimbrel to close the game, I might break something.
PaulV
on July 6, 2011 at 8:32 pm
Has Conrad got a hit against Lefties? Lugo? Ramirez?
Tom
on July 6, 2011 at 8:32 pm
Scott Linebrink is not going to win a Gold Glove this year I guess.
jjschiller
on July 6, 2011 at 8:36 pm
Heyward blows.
PaulV
on July 6, 2011 at 8:36 pm
@84 To assume would make an
ass of u & me. Good thing Fredi does not smoke with full pack Linebrink
Dan
on July 6, 2011 at 8:37 pm
You know, it wasn’t that long ago relief pitchers routinely threw 2-3 innings per outing, and would pitch a hundred-plus innings per season. Now managers that use relief pitchers for 80 innings a year are abusing them?
And the ‘baby all pitchers’ philosophy is permeating the fans’ mindsets, not just the managers.
jjschiller
on July 6, 2011 at 8:40 pm
Dan, there was a time, not long ago, that starting pitchers threw 300 innings a year.
You can’t manage your way to the ’82 pennant in 2011.
jjschiller
on July 6, 2011 at 8:42 pm
Scott Proctor, Oscar Villarreal, and Peter Moylan think you’re wrong, Dan.
csg
on July 6, 2011 at 8:42 pm
FLA has come back to tie the Phils 6-6
Brian J.
on July 6, 2011 at 8:42 pm
Dan, they didn’t pitch 80 games per season while throwing those 100 innings. They also tended to hurt their arms pretty frequently.
c. shorter
on July 6, 2011 at 8:45 pm
It’s the appearances, not the innings, that wear on relievers, right?
John Gaines
on July 6, 2011 at 8:45 pm
I used to do certain things one way, but now I do some of them in a different way.
csg
on July 6, 2011 at 8:46 pm
Gagne, Nathan, Wagner, Wilson, and Joba also agree.
Ethan
on July 6, 2011 at 8:46 pm
I smell some Proctology coming in the 9th! 6 runs is Proctor proof, right?
EDIT: On second thought, I take it all back. It’s not good to tempt fate.
csg
on July 6, 2011 at 8:48 pm
Any updates on Moylan or Medlen lately?
desert
on July 6, 2011 at 8:53 pm
30,31
Andrus has 2.2 WAR compared with Gonzalez’s .9 WAR this season. He’s provided 8.1 WAR in his three years with the Rangers, making him the eight(!) best SS in the majors during that time period. He has a 90 wRC+ this year, compared with Gonzalez’s 72 wRC+. That 90 wRC+ places him 14th among all ML shortstops this year.
But, as you said, don’t let facts get in the way of your argument.
Sam,
It’s not that your opinions are wrong (they are), it’s that you have to act like a complete jerk when you present them. I bet you don’t have many friends, or you may have developed some social skills.
Big D
on July 6, 2011 at 8:53 pm
I wouldn’t say 80 innings is necessarily abuse, but Venters is on pace for 100 innings, in about 90 appearances. The guys back in the day that threw 100+ innings out of the pen probably did so in closer to 50 or 60 appearances. Which would seem to be a lot less stressful on the arm than spreading it out over 90 apps. Plus JV has been noticeably less sharp lately.
EDIT: Or what people above have said.
csg
on July 6, 2011 at 8:54 pm
Uggla looks pretty good, right??
Brian J.
on July 6, 2011 at 8:55 pm
Maybe Uggla really has decided it’s time to stop sucking.
Putter
on July 6, 2011 at 8:55 pm
I guess he really is better now…
PaulV
on July 6, 2011 at 8:55 pm
Ramirez can hit, I guess. No pressure on Uggla, but it counts.
Big D
on July 6, 2011 at 8:57 pm
You know what Mac says about hope…
But it sure would be nice if he could keep it up.
John Gaines
on July 6, 2011 at 8:59 pm
Good job Uggla.
You only need another half a season of this to redeem yourself.
david
on July 6, 2011 at 8:59 pm
UGGLA SMASH
csg
on July 6, 2011 at 9:01 pm
4 hit game for Schafer
Brian J.
on July 6, 2011 at 9:02 pm
Four hits for Schafer tonight. Won’t save his starting job when Prado’s back, but maybe it’ll keep him from returning to Gwinnett.
PaulV
on July 6, 2011 at 9:02 pm
Success is 4 for 5, Should we disregard that as an outier?
Looks like we are going with the Bizarro O’Ventbrel tonight
Brian J.
on July 6, 2011 at 9:06 pm
It’s time for Proctology.
Brian J.
on July 6, 2011 at 9:07 pm
How can Charlie Blackmon’s nickname not be “Mars”?
Ah, the joys of winning in a rout. I could get used to this.
braves14
on July 6, 2011 at 9:08 pm
So JJ will be the first Brave to reach 12 wins before the ASB since Russ Ortiz in 2003, and he won 21. (Though he had the best offense in the league behind him.)
Big D
on July 6, 2011 at 9:16 pm
I choose to believe that Proctor’s appearance to close out a 9-1 game (instead of Gearrin) means that Fredi has realized Proctor’s true calling. Of course, I’m probably wrong, but a guy can dream, right?
Seat Painter
on July 6, 2011 at 9:28 pm
And Bethany ends tonight a further three miles down the road.
You go B!
Tomas
on July 6, 2011 at 9:31 pm
117 — If Proctor gets sent down once Martinez is eligible to come back up then yes, otherwise we just have to hope it’s close enough.
Critical Hipster Mass!
Schafer 8 Gonzalez 6 McCann 2 Chipper 5 Freeman 3 Hinske 9 Uggla 4 McLouth 7 Jurrjens 1
What’s wrong with Heyward now?
I’ve never liked that song before but that video is a lot of fun.
I don’t understand the “logic” behind AGony hitting in the 2 hole.
And didn’t Uggla suck a little bit less hitting 2nd?
I guess it goes to show you that lineups dont change the outcome that much. I hate this lineup, but its worked.
Chipper is better hitting 3rd.
Bmac is better hitting 4th.
Uggla is better in the 4th or 7th spot.
Schafer sucks leading off.
AAG sucks everywhere.
Just throw darts and hope for good pitching.
I think MRSA is trying to “get Gonzalez going” by getting some fastballs “to hit” because “Schafer’s going to be on base” ahead of him.
I don’t get this whole ‘he’s better at batting at X spot in the lineup’ thing. If a player sucks, then 50 abs’ of ‘evidence’ in a certain lineup spot isn’t going to change the fact that they still suck.
The only real lineup optimization is when you bat your better players early, and your bad players late.
Seeing the Frediot’s lineups on a daily basis is like looking at a tinker-toy abominations of a 3 year old.
There’s no way to explain AAG hitting second that isn’t absurd.
Of course, if JJ holds serve with Doc on the race to the starting AS gig, tonight’s lineup won’t really matter.
Pastornicky hit for the cycle last night and is now up to a .767 ops. What’s also pretty great about him is that he’s only struck out in 10% of his at-bats.
Good defense and all, I’ll be happy if we let Alex walk next year. His plate approach is infuriating at times. He’s down to a .625 ops and has lost quite a bit of his value of late (down to a 1 WAR overall).
AAG can pick it, though.
With this pitching, I’ll take his D. He is what he is.
Isn’t there anyone out there who can pick it AND hit it?
I mean, besides Jose Reyes?
Imagining a Feliz/Venters/Kimbrel bullpen right now… along with Andrus at short…
Well, the principles behind the Teixeira deal and the McGriff/Hudson deal are the same. You win some, you lose some.
The fact that Teixeira is the 4th(!) highest paid player in the game does not cease to baffle me. That, and the fact that Joe Mauer is the 5th highest paid player. I understand that if you’re the Twins, you have to make that deal or the fan base revolts; but, it seems so bad just one year later. I really think that Mauer’s a great example of why mid-market teams shouldn’t dole out any contracts longer than 4 or 5 years, which is something that the Braves are really good at. The Twins are in major trouble for the next decade if Mauer can’t come back.
I was clamoring for Werth over the offseason, but that Dan Uggla deal looks downright great compared to his.
13,
Troy T. of the Rockies. But, it’s quite apparent that there are not very many good SS’s in the league right now.
If you had Feliz, Venters would probably never have emerged. As for Andrus, they thought Yunel was better.
The Mauer deal only seems bad in retrospect. There was no reason to expect him to get hurt.
BTW,how is the Braves attendence relative to last year? My understanding is that normally it picks up after school but I am still seeing a lot of small crowds. I understand the problems with access to the stadium and so forth, but I would have thought a good team would draw more fans.
The Braves are currently 15th in attendance with an average of about 28,000. Last year, they were 13th with an average of about 30,000.
Checked and discovered that it would be the first year since ’04 that attendance averaged below 30,000 and only the 2nd time in Turner Field history. So your hunch is right, Marc S., though since there are more summertime games to come that average may yet improve.
#13
When you’re talking about the Yankees, it doesn’t have to make any sense, relative to the rest of the clubs.
With YES Network, they have a license to print money & “overpay” players for as long as MLB lets them. They’ve spent scads of cash on people who didn’t contribute at all (Kei Igawa, Drew Henson, any number of middle relievers); so it shouldn’t be surprising that they overpaid on the premium signings (Sabathia, Teixeira, Giambi, Mussina, etc.)
Throw in the circumstances of the Teixeira signing—they stole him from the Sawx at the 11th hour—and it makes perfect sense in YankeeLand.
@12 – J.J. Hardy. I think a deal for him is worth exploring. But it’s not very likely.
Oh, and Yunel Escobar. But that’s beside the point.
14,
Mauer was one month away from his 27th birthday. Paying a catcher, coming off a career season, for his age 33-34-35 seasons sounds like an awful deal to me. Especially when that Catcher has already had surgery on his knees (2004). He also got unheard of money for a small-market club.
The Braves put Venters in their bullpen after a fantastic 2010 spring. That would have had nothing to do with keeping Feliz; Venters would simply have been another really good arm coming out. He earned the set-up role last year, and would have earned it even with Feliz around.
13,
Very true and valid points. I’m still surprised that four teams (Nats, Orioles, Sox, and Yanks, I believe) were willing to go that expensive on him.
I’d be surprised if AAG was not the starting SS for the Braves in 2012. McLouth’s gone and Kawakami’s off the books, so that’s your budget for picking up a CF. Pastonicky will need to play lights out in AAA the second half of this year and storm Spring Training to be considered ahead of another year of AAG.
On the last thread, someone said Heyward does’t need a platoon partner
.164/.271/.295/.567 this year against LH pitching.
.226/.335/.372/.706 career against LH pitching.
I would like to see us in on Hardy if the Os can’t extend him. If they are becoming the slightest bit impatient with their young pitching, we should exploit the situation.
20,
We probably should let that ‘career’ pan out a little before we make judgments. And he had a .755 OPS against Lefties his rookie season, at age 20. I venture that number is going to go up to at least .850 in his best seasons, but he’s not going to learn how to hit lefties sitting on the bench. Developmentally, he does not need a platoon partner.
@22,
Optimizing Heyward’s developmental path isn’t going to help much against Cole Hamels and Cliff Lee in the 2011 NLCS. Pennants fly forever.
Juan Pierre speculation via Peanut. Mac’s gotta love it!
http://mlb.mlblogs.com/2011/07/06/white-sox-showing-interest-in-atlantas-pitchers/
If the Sox took back Lowe (who pitched last night)… Pierre sucks, but he sucks less than Schafer right now.
http://www.crawfishboxes.com/2011/7/6/2262575/astros-trade-scenarios-hunter-pence-to-the-braves
Interesting trade talk from Houston.
@13
Nothing short of whiskey can make the Uggla deal look too good right this moment.
Even if some of these “proposals” seem crazier than others, it’s nice to have a pretty deep well of trading options.
Juan Pierre‽ Please, no.
#13 – you do realize that Andrus cant hit either, right?
#30 – Don’t confuse the “god we got so screwed by that Tiexiera deal” mojo by bringing up bothersome facts.
Interesting discussion in some of the “chats” today. Would you trade Jurrjens for Stubbs?
32 — No.
csg- No. I don’t see Stubb’s upside. He’s Nate McLouth w/better defense right now, and he wasn’t much more than that in the minors. I’d trade JJ for Jay Bruce though.
@14, it has been hotter than seven hells this summer in Atlanta. Started getting into the 90s in late May, and just hasn’t stopped. We’ve also had many savage thunderstorms too.
@23 exactly.
@22 I’m just saying “Heyward holds his own against lefties” shouldn’t keep us from looking at Quentin (or another righty slugger) as a legit option. He hasn’t, in 2011, been worth a damn against lefties.
24 — That makes it sound like the Braves are planning to keep Schafer in CF when Prado returns barring a trade.
Is it just me or is it hilarious that AAG’s most similar player is the other Alex Gonzalez?
Ive always despised Juan Pierre.
Lester is joining Bucholz on the DL and Lackey has been brutal…I wonder how much it would take to get Theo to give us Ellsbury?
Woo!!!
Something else i’ve noticed this year and last year that makes them different than the previous 3-4 years, when we get into the late innings with a lead I don’t find myself wondering how we are going to blow the game
Fredi Gonzalez… secret genius?
@39-I’d let them say no to Derek Lowe first and go from there.
Boomski!
Well this is nice
Holy crap, runs.
@35, I always thought South Florida was the hottest place in the country and I was really nervous about moving here. I still can’t wrap my head around the fact that Atlanta has been routinely 10-15 degrees hotter all year.
Homer here for the cycle with the 1st 4 hitters of the game?
Oh, that looks brutal.
Paging Martin Prado…
michael bourn!
“This is getting the job done here,” Mr. Jordan? Funny, I thought the triple-single-double sequence got things done much better.
Spontaneous entices intimacy!
DOB reporting that there is a fan group at the field called “Freeman’s Seamen”? That is great
Would Houston do a Bourn for Randall Delgado/Arodys Vizcaino and Nate McLouth trade?
Love me some Hinske.
Wow, everyone hit the ball hard that inning.
Wish Chip Caray was doing this game. “Cook Aaron’s goose.”
How ’bout a blowout tonight? Cook ain’t exactly fooling ’em.
@50 – It’s actually Gant in the booth tonight. But he and Jordan are virtually the same broadcaster (except I think Gant can actually say the letter ‘R’), and both are terrible for the exact same reasons.
Schafer is very solid defensively, just wish his bat could keep him here.
reverse mojo works for JS & AG.
#33-34, I was thinking the same. Both chats said Cincy would turn that offer down. I was surprised.
26,
McLouth, Mike Minor, Tyler Pastornicky and Edward Salcedo for Hunter Pence
LOL. Why not Jurrjens, Hanson, Beachy and Heyward for Hunter Pence?
Stuck with Phillies/Marlins here and it’s looking like a blowout. I guess if we just win every day from here on out then maybe we’ll make up 3 or 4 games.
CHIPPER
Chippah!
#444.
CHIPPA..OPPO!
Chippa! There’s the HR, I was just a little early in calling for it.
EDIT: And now Freeman slices one the other way. Joe is gonna have to change his pants with all this opposite field hitting.
Don’t stop now, boys.
So I have been out of town for about a week and you guys seem to be holding the the fort down. Good work
Joe, it’s not worth going nuts over whether or not a play is scored a hit or an error.
Schaffer thinks he should be lead off man. Has he adjusted to speed of ML game?
Gant: “Helton’s splits have always been just as good on the road as at Coors field.”
Career home: .355/.452/.623/1.074
Career away: .292/.392/.481/.873
Helton’s been a very good (great?) player no matter where he’s swinging, but don’t try to say he (or anybody) is just as good away from CO.
Gant clarified he was only talking about this year.
Doesn’t look like JJ will go more than 6 tonight.
Thanks, Rockies!
Ah, thanks csg. Didn’t catch that. He’s still boring, monotone, and uninsightful.
Uggla reaches 90% of the Mendoza line for the first time since June 14.
Success
Fredi struck again. Why in the world did he go Lefty-Lefty there with Heyward??? I’m watching the game on the Rockies Channel, and their announcers were stunned.
@79 Who else? Ross would not pinch hit til bottom of ninth.
The real question is…..in a 7-1 game does Fredi still use Venters for the 8th?
80, how about anyone but Heyward? We have two righties and a switch hitter on our bench, not counting Ross.
That assumes Linebrink give up no runs
@83….a huge assumption
I swear, if Linebrink serves one up to Helton and we use Venters/Kimbrel to close the game, I might break something.
Has Conrad got a hit against Lefties? Lugo? Ramirez?
Scott Linebrink is not going to win a Gold Glove this year I guess.
Heyward blows.
@84 To assume would make an
ass of u & me. Good thing Fredi does not smoke with full pack Linebrink
You know, it wasn’t that long ago relief pitchers routinely threw 2-3 innings per outing, and would pitch a hundred-plus innings per season. Now managers that use relief pitchers for 80 innings a year are abusing them?
And the ‘baby all pitchers’ philosophy is permeating the fans’ mindsets, not just the managers.
Dan, there was a time, not long ago, that starting pitchers threw 300 innings a year.
You can’t manage your way to the ’82 pennant in 2011.
Scott Proctor, Oscar Villarreal, and Peter Moylan think you’re wrong, Dan.
FLA has come back to tie the Phils 6-6
Dan, they didn’t pitch 80 games per season while throwing those 100 innings. They also tended to hurt their arms pretty frequently.
It’s the appearances, not the innings, that wear on relievers, right?
I used to do certain things one way, but now I do some of them in a different way.
Gagne, Nathan, Wagner, Wilson, and Joba also agree.
I smell some Proctology coming in the 9th! 6 runs is Proctor proof, right?
EDIT: On second thought, I take it all back. It’s not good to tempt fate.
Any updates on Moylan or Medlen lately?
30,31
Andrus has 2.2 WAR compared with Gonzalez’s .9 WAR this season. He’s provided 8.1 WAR in his three years with the Rangers, making him the eight(!) best SS in the majors during that time period. He has a 90 wRC+ this year, compared with Gonzalez’s 72 wRC+. That 90 wRC+ places him 14th among all ML shortstops this year.
But, as you said, don’t let facts get in the way of your argument.
Sam,
It’s not that your opinions are wrong (they are), it’s that you have to act like a complete jerk when you present them. I bet you don’t have many friends, or you may have developed some social skills.
I wouldn’t say 80 innings is necessarily abuse, but Venters is on pace for 100 innings, in about 90 appearances. The guys back in the day that threw 100+ innings out of the pen probably did so in closer to 50 or 60 appearances. Which would seem to be a lot less stressful on the arm than spreading it out over 90 apps. Plus JV has been noticeably less sharp lately.
EDIT: Or what people above have said.
Uggla looks pretty good, right??
Maybe Uggla really has decided it’s time to stop sucking.
I guess he really is better now…
Ramirez can hit, I guess. No pressure on Uggla, but it counts.
You know what Mac says about hope…
But it sure would be nice if he could keep it up.
Good job Uggla.
You only need another half a season of this to redeem yourself.
UGGLA SMASH
4 hit game for Schafer
Four hits for Schafer tonight. Won’t save his starting job when Prado’s back, but maybe it’ll keep him from returning to Gwinnett.
Success is 4 for 5, Should we disregard that as an outier?
His OPS is still .633; I’d say yes…
Looks like we are going with the Bizarro O’Ventbrel tonight
It’s time for Proctology.
How can Charlie Blackmon’s nickname not be “Mars”?
Ah, the joys of winning in a rout. I could get used to this.
So JJ will be the first Brave to reach 12 wins before the ASB since Russ Ortiz in 2003, and he won 21. (Though he had the best offense in the league behind him.)
I choose to believe that Proctor’s appearance to close out a 9-1 game (instead of Gearrin) means that Fredi has realized Proctor’s true calling. Of course, I’m probably wrong, but a guy can dream, right?
And Bethany ends tonight a further three miles down the road.
You go B!
117 — If Proctor gets sent down once Martinez is eligible to come back up then yes, otherwise we just have to hope it’s close enough.
Thank you, Mr. Stanton! Three games out.
Marlins defeat Phillies.
Recapped.
That was a great win, but, more importantly, I have deciced to legally change my name to Bizarro O’Ventbrel. Thanks, Catz.