“Sure,” people often say, “Jeff Francoeur is an awful baseball player. But what if he did something else for a living? For instance, what if Jeff Francoeur were a ship designer?” I think it would go a little something… like this:
That lineup has two second basemen and no shortstop.
csg
on April 23, 2010 at 3:11 pm
Melky can find his way into any lineup it appears
btw, I find it hard to believe that no one would trade for Juan Cruz. Royals just released him
Ethan
on April 23, 2010 at 3:15 pm
Juan Cruz has been all kinds of terrible…but its a fair point.
Royals being Royals
Trace
on April 23, 2010 at 3:16 pm
You can’t really even call that a typo, cause he has the same lineup on twitter too. Don’t call him out on it, though, or else you’ll get bitched at.
ryan c
on April 23, 2010 at 3:28 pm
man, we’ve got 2 players playing 2nd base tonight. we’re going to have a HUGE hole on the left side.
jjschiller
on April 23, 2010 at 3:30 pm
I like McLouth hitting lead off. If everyone’s tried, and no one is getting the job done, shouldn’t you give the AB’s to the guy you WANT to be the leadoff hitter?
BTW, DOB’s column shows McLouth having fewest PA’s in the leadoff spot among Melky, Diaz, and himself; 18 to 23 and 30 by Diaz and Cabrera. That came as a surprise to me.
And I don’t know how to justify it, but I really want Heyward in front of McCann. We’ve got 3 guys who can all work a walk, and can be counted on to slug; that’s Chip, McCann, and Heyward.. Why have the only one who can score from first on a double hitting behind the slower two? Heyward is down there working walks infront of the singles hitters most times.
Bobby won’t hit Heyward clean up, I know. But on the average night, Chipper, McCann and Glaus (or Hinkse in his stead) all bunched up in the middle.. Man. That’s some serious slow.
Seems like just yesterday that Francoeur was the hottest prospect in years. Ahh, memories. Move over, Francoeur-make room for Jason Heyward!
spike (back in the USA)
on April 23, 2010 at 3:37 pm
It’s a pre-conceived shift against the whole team. That’s thinkin’ outside the box.
jorgbacca
on April 23, 2010 at 3:46 pm
I’m starting to wonder at what point would it work to maybe put Prado lead off? If he keeps hitting and getting on base like he is I think it could work.
What do y’all think of a top four of:
1) Prado
2) Heyward
3) Chipper
4) McCann
Would put the four that are actually hitting together, let Heyward get on base and use his speed some like jjschiller suggests. Could give 2-4 some solid RBI opportunities.
Dusty
on April 23, 2010 at 3:53 pm
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I would flip Chipper and Heyward but looks great to me.
If Infante’s playing short, I wonder if part of it is because Bobby was less than thrilled with Yunel’s effort on that botched DP last night.
jjschiller
on April 23, 2010 at 3:59 pm
I always kind of wondered why the color guy on every TV broadcast would commend guys for not taking their hitting slump ‘in to the field with them.’
I guess that particular play by Esco was what they’re talking about.
Esco’s reaction looked as though he either thought a) he caught the ball but couldn’t turn two after being taken out of rhythm, or, b) he completely missed it and it was going to be the left fielder who recovered it.
Either way, his instantaneous pout just said ‘What else can go wrong for me?’
spike (back in the USA)
on April 23, 2010 at 4:27 pm
Well Yunel has started in every game, but it probably is not a total coincidence.
BTW Melky’s ops+ in NINE. When you can’t even get into double digits after 15 games….wow.
A woman once told Mel Brooks that she thought the original movie of “The Producers” was incredibly vulgar. He replied, “Lady, it rose below vulgarity.”
First UZR fielding numbers for 2010 are in. Glaus and Prado worst in NL at their positions. Esco 3rd among SS, Chipper and Heyward neutral, McLouth 4th among CF.
Melky/Langerhans Watch: When the Braves cut bait on Langerhans, he was hitting .068/.192/.091 for a -22 OPS+. So Melky has a ways to go yet, but at his current rate he’ll get there soon.
jjschiller
on April 23, 2010 at 6:05 pm
I’d love to see McLouth bust out tonight. He’s looked lightyears better at the plate the last 3 games or so.
Mike N.
on April 23, 2010 at 6:05 pm
So did Clausen really piss someone off or something?
How many points will we drop Maine’s ERA by tonight?
braves14
on April 23, 2010 at 6:28 pm
Chip saying the Mets lost a no-hitter in the 2nd inning. Douchebag.
jjschiller
on April 23, 2010 at 6:30 pm
Good move by Hinske to get Melkys spot in the lineup over with.
braves14
on April 23, 2010 at 6:31 pm
Melky is awful.
ryan c
on April 23, 2010 at 6:32 pm
skim melk is still playing for the braves. when will we see this melky that so many were talking about? ya know, the one that we shouldn’t “underestimate” because of his age?
jjschiller
on April 23, 2010 at 6:33 pm
His bat looks really slow. He looks like he starts early and then slows down his bat to make up for it.
IOW, the second leadoff spot (after Melky ends the inning every time).
jjschiller
on April 23, 2010 at 6:40 pm
Yes. Putting a vacuous out machine in the 7 hole sets up perfectly for Omar to lead off, get on, and KK to bunt him over. It’s ingenious, really. Sacrifice that 7 spot in order to make the 9 spot slightly more useful.
jjschiller
on April 23, 2010 at 6:41 pm
We’re about to see genius at work here…
jjschiller
on April 23, 2010 at 6:42 pm
See!
Shawn
on April 23, 2010 at 6:42 pm
Is anyone else having trouble with MLB.TV tonight? I can watch any game except Atlanta’s and I’m not in the blackout area.
man, i needed that run. forgot what an rbi looked like.
RJ in KS
on April 23, 2010 at 6:49 pm
I’ve got the Mets broadcast on mlb.tv. Their announcers are saying that Maine “pitched around” Prado, instead of just saying Maine walked him. Only the Mets.
Why is it that no one can play defense when KK pitches?
braves14
on April 23, 2010 at 8:11 pm
Chip: “Braves need to get busy. 3 outs left.”
7th inning, douche.
sdp
on April 23, 2010 at 8:19 pm
I couldn’t manage a club. I’d go postal nightly.
braves14
on April 23, 2010 at 8:20 pm
You can’t stop the Prado, you can only hope to contain him.
CourtneyC
on April 23, 2010 at 8:21 pm
Fantastic! Prado’s on my fantasy team
jjschiller
on April 23, 2010 at 8:26 pm
The Braves just aren’t particularly good at playing baseball right now. There are a lot of things they just aren’t doing well.
You can win some games that way. But they’re going to have to just play better baseball.
braves14
on April 23, 2010 at 8:28 pm
Is there a rule that only Japanese pitchers (and John Maine) can pitch tonight?
braves14
on April 23, 2010 at 8:34 pm
You can’t walk Luis Castillo in that situation.
sdp
on April 23, 2010 at 8:36 pm
Francoeur can’t talk about someone else without talking about himself:
“They’ve got a superstar [Heyward] on their hands there,” Francoeur said. “It’s worked out great for him there, and it’s worked out great for me.”
What a douche.
oldtimer?
on April 23, 2010 at 8:37 pm
This is a bad joke
Chipper looks like a little leaguer.
braves14
on April 23, 2010 at 8:38 pm
That was effing terrible.
Frank
on April 23, 2010 at 8:38 pm
just f’ing embarrassing
rehabreject
on April 23, 2010 at 8:39 pm
really??
Ben
on April 23, 2010 at 8:40 pm
What just happened?
marspr
on April 23, 2010 at 8:41 pm
What happened?
NickC
on April 23, 2010 at 8:41 pm
I hope someone slaps them around after this game. They aren’t even paying attention.
oldtimer?
on April 23, 2010 at 8:42 pm
dropped infield fly rule by Chippper, the braves throw to first for some reason, the guy on third runs home and no one is covering.
rehabreject
on April 23, 2010 at 8:42 pm
infield fly rule… so the batter is out.
But the runners are free to run if they want (“at their own risk” is the rule)
so once Chipper dropped it, the players “risked” it and started running..
then nobody covered home… so Pagan scored from second on a effin’ pop up to third
braves14
on April 23, 2010 at 8:42 pm
Chipper dropped a pop up with the infield fly in effect, almost colliding with Infante in the process. The ball bounced away and both runners moved up a base. With McCann backing up first, there was nobody covering home plate, and Chipper wasn’t paying attention, so Pagan took off and beat Chipper to the plate.
spike (back in the USA)
on April 23, 2010 at 8:43 pm
My pre-season optimism is being sorely tested.
njbravesfan
on April 23, 2010 at 8:45 pm
When I was a kid. That same play happened in a braves and mets game but it was david cone who was not paying attention while he argued and the braves scored. I always remembered that. That was like paybacks
spike (back in the USA)
on April 23, 2010 at 8:47 pm
Boy, do I remember that too. Coney made a play at first with two out, IIRC, and the runner was called safe, and he bitched to the umpire while someone scored from second
braves14
on April 23, 2010 at 8:47 pm
The Braves have 4 errors tonight, and could arguably have more. Chipper has 2 of them.
jjschiller
on April 23, 2010 at 8:51 pm
Wow. I said we were playing bad baseball BEFORE that inning happened.
spike (back in the USA)
on April 23, 2010 at 8:57 pm
Almost 20 years ago to the day too. Payback indeed.
“I know I ordered ice, but this is ridiculous.”
should we take a low risk flyer on Chris Davis? Smoak has been called up and I know Davis will get moved.
The exploded/sunken offshore oil rig would’ve been more topical, but hey.
I can’t decide if Melk Dud is a good derisive nickname for Melky or not..
team rankings (nl):
avg- 14th
slg- 13th
obp- 9th
sb- 11th
era- 7th
ks- 8th
it’s amazing we have a winning record.
http://tinyurl.com/melkysucks
Seriously, has anyone ever become the whipping boy faster than Melky? I think Kolb lasted longer than this.
I love that DOB refers to this series as the someone’s-gotta-hit-don’t-they? Series.
Well I’ll be…
According to DOB:
McLouth 8
Prado 4
CJ 5
McCann 2
Heyward 9
Hinkse 3
Cabrera 7
Infante 4
Kawakami 1
I guess that’s supposed to be Shortstop for Infante…
That lineup has two second basemen and no shortstop.
Melky can find his way into any lineup it appears
btw, I find it hard to believe that no one would trade for Juan Cruz. Royals just released him
Juan Cruz has been all kinds of terrible…but its a fair point.
Royals being Royals
You can’t really even call that a typo, cause he has the same lineup on twitter too. Don’t call him out on it, though, or else you’ll get bitched at.
man, we’ve got 2 players playing 2nd base tonight. we’re going to have a HUGE hole on the left side.
I like McLouth hitting lead off. If everyone’s tried, and no one is getting the job done, shouldn’t you give the AB’s to the guy you WANT to be the leadoff hitter?
BTW, DOB’s column shows McLouth having fewest PA’s in the leadoff spot among Melky, Diaz, and himself; 18 to 23 and 30 by Diaz and Cabrera. That came as a surprise to me.
And I don’t know how to justify it, but I really want Heyward in front of McCann. We’ve got 3 guys who can all work a walk, and can be counted on to slug; that’s Chip, McCann, and Heyward.. Why have the only one who can score from first on a double hitting behind the slower two? Heyward is down there working walks infront of the singles hitters most times.
Bobby won’t hit Heyward clean up, I know. But on the average night, Chipper, McCann and Glaus (or Hinkse in his stead) all bunched up in the middle.. Man. That’s some serious slow.
Seems like just yesterday that Francoeur was the hottest prospect in years. Ahh, memories. Move over, Francoeur-make room for Jason Heyward!
It’s a pre-conceived shift against the whole team. That’s thinkin’ outside the box.
I’m starting to wonder at what point would it work to maybe put Prado lead off? If he keeps hitting and getting on base like he is I think it could work.
What do y’all think of a top four of:
1) Prado
2) Heyward
3) Chipper
4) McCann
Would put the four that are actually hitting together, let Heyward get on base and use his speed some like jjschiller suggests. Could give 2-4 some solid RBI opportunities.
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I would flip Chipper and Heyward but looks great to me.
If Infante’s playing short, I wonder if part of it is because Bobby was less than thrilled with Yunel’s effort on that botched DP last night.
I always kind of wondered why the color guy on every TV broadcast would commend guys for not taking their hitting slump ‘in to the field with them.’
I guess that particular play by Esco was what they’re talking about.
Esco’s reaction looked as though he either thought a) he caught the ball but couldn’t turn two after being taken out of rhythm, or, b) he completely missed it and it was going to be the left fielder who recovered it.
Either way, his instantaneous pout just said ‘What else can go wrong for me?’
Well Yunel has started in every game, but it probably is not a total coincidence.
BTW Melky’s ops+ in NINE. When you can’t even get into double digits after 15 games….wow.
His suckitude is below the charts.
Melky will have to go on a tear before he he can suck.
A woman once told Mel Brooks that she thought the original movie of “The Producers” was incredibly vulgar. He replied, “Lady, it rose below vulgarity.”
That’s kind of how Melky’s been hitting.
In 94 career PAs, Melky’s OPS vs NYM: 530.
Time for a breakout!
Off to Flushing. Go Braves.
Gonzo and The Name A Pitcher Never Wants To See
http://tinyurl.com/2ezg8fn
First UZR fielding numbers for 2010 are in. Glaus and Prado worst in NL at their positions. Esco 3rd among SS, Chipper and Heyward neutral, McLouth 4th among CF.
(Frenchy best outfield arm so far)
Melky/Langerhans Watch: When the Braves cut bait on Langerhans, he was hitting .068/.192/.091 for a -22 OPS+. So Melky has a ways to go yet, but at his current rate he’ll get there soon.
I’d love to see McLouth bust out tonight. He’s looked lightyears better at the plate the last 3 games or so.
So did Clausen really piss someone off or something?
I think the Mondesi cutoff of around 150 PAs applies for Glaus and Melky.
MLBTradeRumors just posted that the Braves may attempt to get in on the Adrian Gonzalez sweepstakes…
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/04/braves-may-join-adrian-gonzalez-sweepstakes.html
I’m a little hesitant on this one simply in the wake of the haul we sent the Rangers for Tex, and then flipping him for slugging monster Kotch-mania.
How many points will we drop Maine’s ERA by tonight?
Chip saying the Mets lost a no-hitter in the 2nd inning. Douchebag.
Good move by Hinske to get Melkys spot in the lineup over with.
Melky is awful.
skim melk is still playing for the braves. when will we see this melky that so many were talking about? ya know, the one that we shouldn’t “underestimate” because of his age?
His bat looks really slow. He looks like he starts early and then slows down his bat to make up for it.
IOW, the second leadoff spot (after Melky ends the inning every time).
Yes. Putting a vacuous out machine in the 7 hole sets up perfectly for Omar to lead off, get on, and KK to bunt him over. It’s ingenious, really. Sacrifice that 7 spot in order to make the 9 spot slightly more useful.
We’re about to see genius at work here…
See!
Is anyone else having trouble with MLB.TV tonight? I can watch any game except Atlanta’s and I’m not in the blackout area.
Does that stat condemn our leadoff men or what?
I can’t stand Chip’s laugh/cackle.
“I can’t stand Chip
’s laugh.”There, that’s better.
man, i needed that run. forgot what an rbi looked like.
I’ve got the Mets broadcast on mlb.tv. Their announcers are saying that Maine “pitched around” Prado, instead of just saying Maine walked him. Only the Mets.
Time to add to the legend.
let’s go j-hey, heymaker, death lion, shaft, john henry…crap
If there’s been a major chink in Heyward’s armor, it would be the strikeouts.
F–ing Melky.
Good thing Francoeur is still a moron.
Nice throw, Melky…
Thanks, Frenchy
Melky and Jeffy are co-participants in the Sucky Braves Outfielders Association and must cooperate with each other.
Might we see Omar get a start in LF during this series or next?
I’m not sure we wanted to drive up Maine’s pitch count.
The Mets’ coaches/trainers have no idea what they’re doing.
Ububba, are you at the game tonight?
Is anyone getting this in HD? It’s only SD on my package (Dish Network), but they just said that the game is in HD.
I have it in HD, I think, but my computer and my HDTV are in different rooms.
I have had enough melky.
KK looks pretty good.
I’m in FL watching Direct TV, and it’s in HD for me.
Nate is due.
Well, if he’s pregnant, no wonder he’s struggling.
No, Melky is the one who’s pregnant.
That was awful camerawork guys.
Oh, like anyone would ever get with Melky. Not even with the biggest case of beer goggles ever.
Melky “The Human Out” Cabrera to set up so Omar can lead off again…
Damn he’s horrible.
Chip just called Castillo and Reyes a twosome.
KK suddenly isn’t fooling anyone.
I gotta hand it to Chip. He orgasims every time the bat makes contact with the ball (no matter which team). I orgasim once or twice and I’m done.
That may explain Melky’s situation.
JK has no off, switch. He can’t right the ship.
Was that a record for pitches seen in one at-bat for Jeffy?
The Braves are playing defense like they spent the afternoon drinking.
Why is it that no one can play defense when KK pitches?
Chip: “Braves need to get busy. 3 outs left.”
7th inning, douche.
I couldn’t manage a club. I’d go postal nightly.
You can’t stop the Prado, you can only hope to contain him.
Fantastic! Prado’s on my fantasy team
The Braves just aren’t particularly good at playing baseball right now. There are a lot of things they just aren’t doing well.
You can win some games that way. But they’re going to have to just play better baseball.
Is there a rule that only Japanese pitchers (and John Maine) can pitch tonight?
You can’t walk Luis Castillo in that situation.
Francoeur can’t talk about someone else without talking about himself:
“They’ve got a superstar [Heyward] on their hands there,” Francoeur said. “It’s worked out great for him there, and it’s worked out great for me.”
What a douche.
This is a bad joke
Chipper looks like a little leaguer.
That was effing terrible.
just f’ing embarrassing
really??
What just happened?
What happened?
I hope someone slaps them around after this game. They aren’t even paying attention.
dropped infield fly rule by Chippper, the braves throw to first for some reason, the guy on third runs home and no one is covering.
infield fly rule… so the batter is out.
But the runners are free to run if they want (“at their own risk” is the rule)
so once Chipper dropped it, the players “risked” it and started running..
then nobody covered home… so Pagan scored from second on a effin’ pop up to third
Chipper dropped a pop up with the infield fly in effect, almost colliding with Infante in the process. The ball bounced away and both runners moved up a base. With McCann backing up first, there was nobody covering home plate, and Chipper wasn’t paying attention, so Pagan took off and beat Chipper to the plate.
My pre-season optimism is being sorely tested.
When I was a kid. That same play happened in a braves and mets game but it was david cone who was not paying attention while he argued and the braves scored. I always remembered that. That was like paybacks
Boy, do I remember that too. Coney made a play at first with two out, IIRC, and the runner was called safe, and he bitched to the umpire while someone scored from second
The Braves have 4 errors tonight, and could arguably have more. Chipper has 2 of them.
Wow. I said we were playing bad baseball BEFORE that inning happened.
Almost 20 years ago to the day too. Payback indeed.
Is it time to break out the “Ocelots” trope?
Francisco Rodriguez wouldn’t be one of the best four right handed relief pitchers in the Braves’ bullpen.
I’m glad you remember that game too!
Well the road trip couldn’t have gotten off to a worse start.
Desultory recap up. I just don’t have the heart.
I forgot how much I hate the mets. God I’m pretty salty