Runs Created, Runs Created Above Average, Runs Created Per Game, all third basemen, all time (numbers from the Sabermetric Encyclopedia, Baseball Reference will differ):
CAREER
3B
RUNS CREATED RC
1 George Brett 1869
2 Mike Schmidt 1735
3 Wade Boggs 1732
4 Eddie Mathews 1715
5 Chipper Jones 1668
6 Darrell Evans 1478
7 Lave Cross 1383
8 Ron Santo 1358
9 Brooks Robinson 1343
10 Stan Hack 1252
RCAA RCAA
1 Eddie Mathews 655
2 Chipper Jones 629
3 Mike Schmidt 623
4 George Brett 593
5 Wade Boggs 556
6 John McGraw 442
7 Bill Joyce 333
8 Denny Lyons 318
9 Stan Hack 315
10 Home Run Baker 303
RUNS CREATED/GAME RC/G
1 Denny Lyons 9.29
2 Chipper Jones 8.36
3 Mike Schmidt 7.22
4 Deacon White 7.21
5 Eddie Mathews 7.15
6 Wade Boggs 7.12
7 Billy Nash 6.96
8 Scott Rolen 6.75
9 Ned Williamson 6.73
10 Harlond Clift 6.65
N.B.: Denny Lyons, who is not in the Hall of Fame, was a nineteenth century player whose best years were in the inferior American Association and whose career ended at 31; he’s not really part of the conversation.
You can make an argument that Chipper’s the best third baseman of all time. If he plays 100 games or more, he will probably move past Eddie for the most RCAA all time in 2009; 26 behind, he has had more than that every year of his career but two (1995 and 2004). He has had at least 84 runs created every year of his career; that would move him up to second behind Brett. And his per game numbers are so much better than Schmidt’s that even a relatively steep decline would keep him the modern leader in RC/per game.
Swisher is not a ‘legitmate slugger’ but at least we would have gotten a decent bat–which is more than we have now.
C.shorter–you may be right. I hoped that Wren learned from last year–but it has to be said that he does have a track record for overpaying….
“A track record for overpaying” — you’re not talking about Albert Belle, are you?
No–I am not referring to Albert Belle
Let’s save the bullets on Peavy to get Magglio.
Hasn’t Peavy said that he doesn’t want to go to the AL? How are the Angels and Yankees even a consideration?
Wake me up when it’s over. Towers is pulling a Jon Daniels and can suck it if you ask me.
Let’s just move on.
Chipper flirts with .400 well into June and he doesn’t get the Silver Slugger? Personally, I am thinking David Wright could have just skipped the season and still won the Silver Slugger and the Gold Glove.
Ridiculous.
Whoa! When did Towers say there would be no deal?
Not that I am heartbroken.
David Wright is a fine player and person, but I hate him for taking away Chipper’s awards.
I agree with KC and would add that David Wright can do no wrong. I don’t hate him for it, but he sure benefits from playing in New York.
With respect to Peavy, I hope that Wren has some other deals in the pipeline….
Kevin Towers is an idiot and is gonna wind up with Jake Peavy and his contract still on his team next year.
KC–I should your objection is all the more valid given this particular thread!
Whenever I read Brett Farve’s player profile, of course we will see “Draft: 1991 – 2nd round (6th pick) by the Atlanta Falcons.”
Can somebody please remind me who is that genius who traded the HOF QB away?
Wasnt it Jerry Glanville?
My reading of the situation is that the Cubs have not been able to work a 3rd team into the trade and so aren’t a serious suitor.
That leaves Towers with not much bargaining power with the Braves as he’s already stated Peavy will leave and a lot of Peavy’s value is in the cheapness of his 2009 year.
Therefore, he needs to bring in others to try and strengthen his position. He’s playing a pretty dangerous game as if Peavy doesn’t approve anything to the AL, he’ll be scrabbling around.
Why are people so down on Swisher after one year in which only his batting average dipped? He’s good bat who can play multiple positions. He’s got a good contract, but not so good that you’d have to throw in uber-prospects to get him.
#480…….nice to know that i’m not the only one who cant stand the sight of PrimaDonnaTex. the guy looks like he’d faint(or cry) if he got his hands dirty.
I agree that Swisher would’ve been a nice trade target. But I think the player the ChiSox really wanted was Wilson Betemit, whose bat, from what I understand, should play really well in their park. That said, you’d think we could’ve come up with a better package, even taking that into consideration.
480 was the best post ever.
Hey, if the Braves decide to pocket the $40M… could they please give some of it to the Gwinnett tax payers for the bill on the new stadium for the AAA team? No? didn’t think so. Those better be some fun games to watch or I’m going to be pissed at the waste of my tax dollars.
That’s exactly what I’m talking about, though. Pocket the $40 million? Are you serious? Give up totally on next year? There are plenty of decent players around. Pocketing the $40 million and playing for 2010 would be unacceptable.
They’re not pocketing it, Nick. No Peavy does not mean no money spent.
Think we’ll see a KJ-for-Ludwick swap today?
Well now that the election is over I have moved my focus to Jake Peavy and the Tennessee coaching search.
514
Agreed.
Did anyone see him on the MLB Postseason pregame shows? Dude reminded me of ARod (and not in a good way).
And speaking of that, my buddy, born in Alpharetta, plays himself as a huge Yankees fan. With regard to baseball, he is the epitome of “that guy”.
One of the things we give him crap about are what we call “A-Rod Stats”. This is when the Yankees are putting on a slugfest and are up 7, and then ARod hits a 3 run jack. Another situation would be when the Yanks are down like 6 and ARod hits a solo shot. Doesn’t really affect the outcome of the game, but looks good at the end of the year in the totals column.
Anyway, was it just me, or did anyone else notice that proclivity in Teixeira’s performance when he was with the Braves?
Also, has anyone ever tried to measure this before?
FWIW,
519 might have made no sense at all; it’s just something some friends and I came up with while we were drinking one night
@ 480 – Now that is comedy. When used correctly ‘douche’ can really have a funny impact. I may have to add “S.A.D.” to my phrase rotation.
Given the possibility of Esco or KJ being dealt, anyone have a read on Diory Hernandez as a prospect?
I hope the Peavy deal falls through – as many here do. My preference is for us to get a FA pitcher, two good outfielders (one via a trade), and trade a few prospects along with someone like Prado or Infante for a high ceiling pitcher (similar to Jurrjens). We can then try to re-sign Hampton/Glavine/Smoltz (if they give us a hint of being healthy). This may not get it done for 2009, but should set us up well for 2010.
A rotation of Hudson, FA #2 starter, Jurrjens, Hanson, and rising star (via trade) looks pretty good for 2010. I would like to see us keep Morton, but I don’t have much confidence in Reyes and I think Campillo’s value would be better served as a trade piece.
The thing about the SPs listed above (in 523) is that if any of the pieces in the starting rotation don’t work out for 2010, we should have enough resources left to either make a trade or sign an excellent FA pitcher.
If we acquired Peavy and he got injured, we’d be in trouble for years to come!
Why are we wasting our time talking about Jake Peavy when the nationally-televised Clash of Titans (Vandy @ UK) is nigh?
On Hudson,
Why do so many of you talk about Hudson in 2010?
Hudson’s deal is guaranteed for 2009. 2010 is a “mutual option” which basically means nothing other than it is a starting point.
If Hudson doesn’t make it back at all in 09, or tries and looks awful, do the Braves elect this non enforceable option? I don’t think so. But, if they did, Hudson woudl jump all over it.
If Hudson gets back in August and starts 10 games and pitches pretty well and shows no problems, then the Braves elect the option. But doesn’t Hudson say, “No, I won’t more years guaranteed / no trade clause.” Then, do the Braves guarantee 4 or more extra years at more than 13 mill a year based on 10 starts? I hope not.
Therefore, there is 10% probability of Hudson in Atlanta in 2010. Planning should be based on that.
Diory Hernandez may well be a very solid prospect. He has advanced steadily through the Braves’ system and appears to have the chance to be an adequate big league shortstop. I don’t know that he has the bat to be more than that. I think that he would be at least a good substitute or at least a player the Braves might be able to live with(assuming that Escobar gets traded) while either Brandon Hicks developed or another SS was acquired. Probably not a long term option except for a team like the Pirates….
From Tim Brown on Yahoo ( http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ti-morepeavy111308 ):
Padres are certainly smoking something if they think we’re giving up Jair!
Therefore, there is 10% probability of Hudson in Atlanta in 2010.
Way too low, IMO. Maybe we shouldn’t be talking like it’s a sure thing, but I think it’s pretty likely that Hudson gives us very little in 2009, and I think the Braves will want him at $12 million for 2010 regardless (unless there’s another injury or major setback) and that $12 million would be Hudson’s best (or close to best) offer in 2010.
Hmmm not sure what happened when I just hit submit but..
From Yahoo Sports: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ti-morepeavy111308
Jair?!?!?! What are they smoking in San Diego?
I think I’m getting caught in the Spam filter… but Tim Brown at Yahoo mentions that the Padres likely want either Hanson or JAIR in the deal… which is a good sign this deal isn’t happening.
Has anyone heard any news on the TAZAWA situation? He could be a real dark horse for our rotation.
Pick thread is up.
Why when it comes to Jair are people rational but don’t have the same thoughts when it comes to Escobar?
Escobar = Jair as far as a trade chip.
I still think the Pads are posturing. They aren’t going to keep Peavey and he apparently doesn’t want to go to the AL–although if the Yankees threw enough money at him, he might decide he likes Manhattan after all. For good or bad, I think the deal will get done involving Escobar unless someone else just goes crazy for Peavey. Clearly, they aren’t going to get Jurrjens–why would you trade one member of the rotation for another?
The fact that Hudson is not a sure thing for 2010 makes it more important that we allow some flexibility to sign someone else after the 2009 season. 10% is definitely low though – I’d say about 50/50.
According to most reports, Brett Favre was an unmotivated party guy during his brief time in Atlanta. They Falcons drafted him for his big arm, but when he got to Atlanta he seemed more interested in happy hour than his playbook.
Not sure he ever would’ve become a star in Atlanta. No regrets there, really. The guy grew up in Green Bay, that’s all.
I saw a stat the other day that, since 1982, Vandy is 0-17 in games that would make them bowl-eligible. Of course, a good chunk of that has come this year.
Thanks ububba and only 17 chances to get in a bowl in 26 years….thats Vandy!