Am I the only one baffled by the Braves’ apparent belief that they’re better off with Willy Aybar as a utility player than at second base? I understand that they need to plan for Chipper’s inevitable stay on the disabled list, but letting fifty games at third base determine 150 games at second is counterproductive. I guess that the problem is that none of the other second base candidates can really play third — I mean, I’ve seen Peterson Thomas Gord Orr play third base and it took a couple of years off my life. And you don’t want to be moving your second baseman to third and breaking in a new second baseman. I guess.
But by not using Aybar, who is far and away the best candidate and the one man who seems like a complete second baseman, they’re all but guaranteeing that they’re going to be using a multitude of second basemen anyway. Moreover, they’re looking at a roster that would have three utility infielders (Aybar, Orr, and either Johnson or Prado) none of whom is a shortstop. Renteria isn’t exactly Cal Ripken Jr., folks, and you need someone who can back him up, not that L’il Tony Pena is a guy we want to play. Maybe Prado could back up there. Which, I guess, leads us back to KJ as the regular…
Anyway, the sheer volume of second basemen the Braves have right now is the reason I doubt they’ll make a trade, at least not for someone as ordinary as Jose Castillo, who really doesn’t have any positives. It’s probably better to have a regular second baseman instead of two or three guys sharing the position, but it’s not worth the price to bring in a nobody to man the position.
The winner of yesterday’s poll (which I guess is staying up until I think of a new one) is Ryan Klesko. You don’t know what you’ve got until it’s gone.
How about a poll for our 5th starter?
As in, Davies vs. Villarreal vs. Cormier? Have to go with Davies there.
Good points, Mac, which is why I think a platoon of Aybar/Johnson at 2B is the best bet, at least until they prove themselves too defensively handicapped. This would keep both of them from getting rusty if/when Aybar needs to spell Chipper at 3B.
However, I think Prado will end up at 2B a lot. He’s what Bobby likes in a 2B … very solid defensively and doesn’t embarrass himself with the bat. He’s got NO pop, but he gets on base a bit.
You aren’t alone, Mac. Aybar’s the clear choice to seemingly everyone but the Braves.
Also, you think Orr’s going to make the team this spring? I guess it depends on Prado’s ability to play short. If Lil’ Tony is on our 25-man roster, I have to think Orr won’t be.
As in Davies, Villareal, Cormier, Sturtz, a trade, or “hell if I know.”
Dont really know who I would want. Villarreal’s value come’s in long relief, I would leave him there. Out of Cormier, Davies, and if we resign Reitsma I wouldn’t want to pick
I prefer Aybar, he would to me, be the best choice. He could hit leadoff, has some speed. And Damnit, since we traded The WB or him, we better use him.
On an unrelated note, I found out on Friday that my dad’s supervisor is Vernon Well’s uncle. If you have you any questions for him, pass them on, and I can get them answered. I know he’s not a Brave, but I think he is a hell of a ball player, and from what I understand a really nice guy.
I would prefer Aybar….As for KJ, Orr, Prado, it doesnt really matter its a toss up
There has got to be something more than meets the eye. They trade Betemit for Baez and Aybar, with Aybar supposedly the centerpiece. They don’t play Aybar at second, get rid of Giles and now decide that Aybar is going to be a superutilityman. Meanwhile, they have no second baseman. Did they find out something about Aybar that they don’t like? Are they trying to take the pressure off Aybar and he really is who they intend to play at second?
I don’t understand what is going on here. Plus, Pete and Skip are basically off TBS and Chip Carey–THE WORST ANNOUNCE THIS SIDE OF JOE MORGAN–is now the lead TV play-by-play. This is like Dante’s Seventh Ring of Hell, except that didn’t include listening to Chip Carey.
Why can’t Aybar be both starting 2B and back-up 3B? If Chipper is hurt, move Aybar to 3B and then L’il Orrprado can play 2B.
You’d think WB was the second coming of Babe Ruth on this board…..WB is a fine player, a player you could plug in at numerous spots…..but during his full-time stint in LA did he exactly light the world on fire?? No…HE’S GONE…LEAVE IT ALONE PEOPLE…..that being said…yeah, Aybar is the best option at 2nd base
I’m not trying to attack you Lance, and if you feel like I did I apologize….just venting…
I didn’t do a fifth starter poll because it will almost certainly be Davies unless he’s hurt or traded — or someone else is hurt or traded, moving him up.
As far as announcers go, Joe Morgan was a fine second baseman.
I know the Braves aren’t much for novel ideas, but here’s one. Put Aybar at 2nd. Continue working with Johnson at 2nd and Outfield. Platoon Diaz and Johnson in Left and Francoeur and Langerhans in Right.
The Braves got Aybar for that 2nd Base job, so they might as well play him there. He’s got the OBP to bat lead off. Tuck Johnson in their back pocket just incase Aybar doesn’t pan out over the long term. Johnson continues to get at bats and develope experience against major league pitching. Diaz won’t produce the same numbers in 07 as in 06…but neither will Langerhans. Ryan will improve. With a platoon in Right, Fracoeur won’t be quite as painful to watch at the plate and maybe time on the bench will teach him some patience (doubt it). The trick will be to maximize the skills of the available players.
Is there any likelyhood that the Braves will ever wake up and figure out that Frenchy is just an average player? Platooning is best for him.
@ 13 – Fair enough, and I agree that Davies is most likely going to be the #5 guy when the 5th start of the season rolls around. But, frankly, I would vote for Cormier.
Ithink it would have made sense to platoon Francoeur last season, as he kills lefties. Langerhans happens to have a reverse split so far (he’s also hit LHP better), but who knows whether that might straighten out in ’07.
I’m afraid the platoon ship may have sailed, though — Frenchy hasn’t been out of the lineup since he was brought up in ’05. I think he’s got the job unless he actually regresses further. But he’s only 23, so he’ll almost surely improve.
Give me Kelly Johnson. I would say Aybar, but I think it’s better off to keep him on the bench as of now to give Chipper days off. It would be better not to shift Aybar around to much and never know who was going to play where, so just allow Aybar to be the Betemit type guy and not leave everyone else guessing.
According to a guy on minorleagueball.com, the Braves signed a guy named Danilo Alvarez: http://www.elnuevodiario.com.ni/2006/12/12/deportes/36200
Anyone know anything about this fella? (Can anyone speak Spanish and translate the above article link?) Can he breathe and pitch in the 7th inning?
@12 As long as you dont call me a Mets or Yankmee’s fan, you cant offend me.
I never thought WB was the next Babe Ruth, but the guy could hit, and he could run. If it the deal was made more for Aybar than Baez, then we really out to play him, or atleast give him a legit shot at the starting 2B job. Otherwise, we traded WB for a rental of Baez and Pete Orr with a little pop in his bat…..
this guy might have what it takes to be a closer or in jail…
Longtime announcers Skip Carey and Pete Van Wieren will have almost no role in TBS broadcasts of Atlanta Braves games next season.
The pair will call games almost exclusively on radio. Carey will work only 10 games on television, Van Wieren none. Van Wieren will call 162 games on radio. The TBS announcing team will be lead by Carey’s son Chip.
Ben Maller rumor…
“The Sox have mentioned Coco Crisp and Eric Hinske , but the Bucs are believed to have their eye on either Braves first baseman Adam LaRoche or Yankees outfielder Melky Cabrera. “
@19 Alvarez is a 16 year old pitcher, so I don’t think he’ll be in Atlanta anytime soon. He was thought to be headed to the Yankees, supposedly a lot more advanced than many his age. He’s throwing in the 90s. Supposed to go to an instructional camp in the Dominican before coming to the states.
That is what has been going around, yes.
What makes you think Kelly Johnson can play second base adequately? I’d prefer to not have the worst defensive infield in the history of baseball.
WB could not run….at all….but come on man, ain’t no need to throw Pete Orr under the bus…LOL….Pete could go 30-30…30 K’s looking and 30 K’s swinging…
I thought it was proven that a bad defense doesn’t really affect a team over the course of a season.
If you can find such proof, I’d love to see it.
But Stu, wouldn’t it be kind of cool to have the worst defensive infield in the history of baseball? We could call it “The Clones of Dr. Strangeglove”!
That’s what I said, I THOUGHT I read it somewhere. I think it was in Moneyball. Not sure. I’ll have to look.
I have to believe that Aybar is being kept off second because he will be taking over third when LaRoche is traded and Chipper goes to first.
Didnt mean to drag Orr into all this, so let me rephrase all that:
I hope we didnt trade WB for a rental of Baez and Keith Lockhart with some pop…..
is that better? 🙂
I hope very much that you are right. I also doubt very much that you are right.
I have a good poll, what month will it be when we finally find a good lead off hitter?
Unless we make a move soon it will be July before we have a leadoff hitter.
I still think Figgins or Rios is our most likely candidate to get by trade. But I would love to Baldelli as long as it doesnt cost us James…
Don’t act like you don’t have a Pete Orr man-crush!!!….lol
I’d agree that it will be july if we don’t move soon. That being said I think LaRoche is as good as gone. He is the one player with enough value to return us pitching depth or a leadoff guy. I’d prefer that we moved him for a reliever and SP prospect. Then we could move preferable Salty and Escobar for someone like Rios or Baldelli. I’d like to see us hang on to Davies. I don’t think he is a wash at this point. We don’t have a lot of young guns ready and losing him wouldn’t make us deeper should one of our old or brittle pitchers get hurt this year.
Never (at least this season)
Doesn’t mean we need it.
Oh, and while I’m at it…
since when has defense lost more games than the pitching?
#35-it will be the month that Brian Jordan pulls a hammy or something similar, and has to spend his annual 3 months on the DL…
Brian Jordan should pay us to play
we should pay him not to play!
Smitty, by “us,” I hope you really mean us as in the fans. I might be able to live with Brian Jordan wasting a roster spot if I got a monthly stipend from him.
I have to believe that Aybar is being kept off second because he will be taking over third when LaRoche is traded and Chipper goes to first.
We wouldn’t move Chipper to first when we had Marte ready to go but will move him now and install Aybar? That is certainly dumb enough to be one of our plans.
The Betemit trade was lousy the day it happened and it continues to get lousier by the day.
Marte still sucks
Betemit trade was lousy though
I don’t understand your point there, bud. I said we should have good defense at second base, not that we should trade a pitcher to get it. You can have BOTH good pitching AND a good defensive second baseman, both of which will help your team win. It’s true.
Whether or not keeping Chipper at third when we had Marte and Betemit was wise shouldn’t affect the decision to move him now. If the better team has Aybar on the field instead of Thorman — and I believe it does — the Braves should make the move, regardless of whether they should have made it a year ago.
So many second basemen, so few positions for them. I think in the end it’ll be Aybar. Even Bobby has to know that you win by putting the best starting 9 out there. And defense at second is important. I think that I’m contradicting my vote, but WANTING KJ to win the position and him actually winning it……..
JC your theory is frighteningly plausible.
If we trade LaRoche for Chone Figgins we had better get a damn pitcher out of the deal. Gross.
It’s Official: Marcus to San Diego
Foxsports says that Giles turned down a 3 year offer from the Devil Rays
Merry Christmas, San Diego. I hope you enjoy the gift.
Now, how about Atlanta trades with SD for the displaced Todd Walker? Sure, he’s nothing special but probably a better bet than what the Braves have right now. SD at least owes the Braves that much…
His perceived value really has slipped. I expect that contract to be one of the best bargains of any signed this winter.
Re: Giles, some may say he accepted a home team discount (that home being in SD), but frankly, a 1-year $3M+ contract w/ a club option sounds right for a 2B like him in this market. I wonder what TB was offering?
Gilley was never my favorite (too much of a bratish, frat boy for my taste) but I’ll miss him.
Not that I am angry or saddened by his departure, but why couldn’t the Braves have offered him a similar deal before non-tendering him. One thing I wish the Braves management would start to consider, is locking its young players up through their arb years, like some of the other less wealthy franchises have done.
watch Giles hit .300-.315 w/ 20HR’s this year
Marte still sucks
Get that out there now. Won’t be able to say that at this time next year.
It’s Official: Marcus to San Diego
One year, $3.25 million. No wonder JS couldn’t find any takers at $6 million. I wish I knew what is out there on Marcus that is scaring everyone away.
The WB trade is not that horrible…
We have Aybar and a sandwich/1st round pick out of the deal.
I’m gonna wait and see who we draft thanks to that pick first before completely throwing the trade under the bus. Also, WB would’ve gone to Arb this winter and we prolly would have cut him anyway…ugh.
Todd Walker’s defense will make your hair stand on end. His bat’s pretty good, but I think a Chipper-Renteria-Walker-LaRoche infield might have the least range of any infield in the majors. That would suck to watch.
Glad to see the Giles brothers together. I figured it was going to happen sooner or later. And if he turned down a 3-year deal for that, he must have really not wanted to play for Tampa. Of course, can you really blame him?
Am I the only one that’s under the impression that the whole idea of platooning sucks?
It holds players’ development back… We held onto Julio Franco for so long because LaRoche “couldn’t hit lefties”, and look what he did when he was given significant playing time: he outhit 95% of the first basemen in the league.
I think if you don’t give the job outright to someone, we’re just holding back their development. If they REALLY struggle, then you have to make a change, but they have to have a chance to do what they can.
Give the job to Aybar. Work on acquiring a left fielder, or go to spring training and let one player win the job.
The platoon idea really needs to die, and soon.
Platoons can work wonders, too. Check out Earl Weaver’s Orioles for proof.
And Casey Stengel’s Yankees.
“Marte still sucks…Get that out there now. Won’t be able to say that at this time next year.”
Robert are you serious, this guy has shown nothing yet. So what, he’s a prospect w/ some power. He’ll strike out more than Frenchy and will have about the same OBP. I’m glad he’s gone so someone else can suffer watching him. Maybe I’m wrong, but he’ll have to prove it!
Platoon often make sense, esp. when the platoon players bat from different sides of the plate and have big offensive splits. Kelly is a lefty and Aybar a switchie, but Aybar has been much better from the right-hand side of the plate.
But the real reason I think an Aybar/Johnson platoon might make sense is that it keeps them on the field and at the plate for the [inevitable?] down-time that Chipper will need to take.
better yet, he’s Francoeur w/ less speed
As much as i agree with you idea, he platooning idea will die with the departure of Bobby.
Aybar being a utility player doesn’t mean he won’t play many games at 2nd. It just means they aren’t prepared RIGHT NOW to give him 2nd as a full time job. That can of course change during spring training and the first few months of the season. Bobby has always had a puzzling fondness for left-right platoons, so I just take this all to mean he wants the option of platooning Aybar and Prado with rare starts from Orr too. KJ is pretty much wishful thinking given his poor defensive showings in previous tries in the infield. He’ll be back in the LF platoon or Richmond.
Not true. Betemit doesn’t have super two status. He’ll be eligible for arbitration for the first time next winter.
#62- agree completely
does KJ have any experience at 3B?
Since there were 16 teams in the NL, in order to OUT-HIT 95% of the other first basemen only one other player could have hit better than LaRoche at that position. Which one was it: Pujols, Howard or Berkman? I’m sure you’d find no one to argue that Adam was better than any of them. Before we go Man-Loving on LaRoche lets remember that 1B is basically a place to stick a good offensive player. Relative to the competition LaRoche is just moving into the top 3rd of his class. His slugging percentage was 100 points lower against the lefties. The OBP was off by 50 points. Julio may have finally gotten too old to hit lefties, but I’m betting someone could.
If you have several players that have the same skill packages and they have advantages from one side of the plate…platoon. Neither Langerhans, Diaz, Johnson, Francoeur, Thorman or some yet to be named slightly better than average player is going to win any batting titles this year. Use them to their best abilities by platooning.
For the first time, I will voice my displeasure with the WB trade.
We could’ve had a second baseman for around 150 games out of the year next year with him. I think Bobby wouldn’t have had a choice but to give him the job.
When he bursts into .280/25-30/85 seasons soon… I think I’m gonna throw up…
While Aybar is shown the “utility” role by Bobby and Baez laughs it up with his fat new contract in Baltimore.
And Braves fans everywhere crie themselves to sleep.
I’m definitely not crieing.
I was referring to “the league” as in MLB.
95% was just a facetious number I threw out there. But it seems plausible to put him in the upper echelion of first basemen, given how strong the market is for him, and the strong season he posted.
By the way, Talking Chop is doing a series on “The 29 Most Important Braves during the Streak.” Suffice to say that Mac’s 44 Greatest and Bledsoe’s 400 Not Greatest are, ahem, slightly better. Only click on that link if you want to see the difference between a good blog (the one you’re reading) and a bad, poorly thought out, derivative one.
Interesting point about Betemit being arb eligible and possibly traded anyway. As for the trade, I don’t think anyone can say it was crap yet. Betemit hasn’t done anything in LA to make any definitive statement and we don’t know enough about Aybar to judge him either.
I’m not crying either. That’s baseball.
Yes, but the general attitude I’m getting here is that our defense is going to be so bad it’ll lose ballgames all on its own.
Platoons aren’t a bad idea, unless you are either holding a players development back, or using more than one at a time. Diaz can crush lefties, and Thorman should be able to mash righties, so thats what I would use in Left. Unless JS goes all Bavasi on us, and trades James and prospect a for Baldelli.
I also think we could see a KJ/Prado platoon until one of them shows that they are the better option, either offensively or defensively.
Korobeinki, Betemit couldn’t play second. At all. He looked terrible, and at the time I assumed that the reason that the trade was made was because of that, because they needed a player who could handle second. But now they’ve got Aybar in a utility role Betemit was better suited for.
Isn’t there someone in the system that can be brought up to play 3rd when/if Chipper’s hurt? Keeping a good player on the bench to cover the chance that your 3rd baseman will be injured doesn’t make sense to me.
I have to wonder what is the point of keeping Andruw for 2007? We don’t have a sure fire WS contending team next year with him. Why sacrifice future years for a slim chance in 2007? Obviously he has 10/5 rights and Bobby and JS aren’t getting any younger so those are probably the reasons why we still have him. As much as I like him, I can only salivate at what he would bring in a trade.
Well, either get a bucket or stop yourself. Because I seroiusly doubt he’ll be traded.
Yep, I think Boras will make sure he waits and gets that big payday next year. He will be the biggest name next year and get the biggest paycheck as a result. Hopefully he hits 60 homers next year as a good-bye present.
and I have serious doubts that the Braves would get fair value in a trade
Someone mentioned this pipe dream on Baseball Fever
P Brad Penny
P Johnathan Broxton
LF Matt Kemp
CF Andruw Jones
I guess he can dream, can’t he?
I think, if they were to trade Andruw, it would only be done for fair value. I think they’d have to be blown away by an offer to let him go. Unless maybe they’re totally out of the race by the trade deadline, which I don’t think is very likely.
My dreams would look something like this:
Andruw for Wang, Cabrera, Cano, Proctor
Andruw for Lackey, Shields, Figgins, Adenhart
Stu, If you’re talking Anaheim, we have to get Howie Kendrick!
Those are sweet dreams Stu…
AI to the Nuggets for Andre Miller and two first-rounders in next year’s draft. Seems like a good deal for both sides.
I covet the Angels’ pitching more than I do their bats, but yeah, Kendrick would be a sweet addition.
And I don’t know how it’s happened given the team he plays for, but somehow, I feel like Wang has been underrated by most.
As long as Steinbrenner is still breathing, the Yankees could be a good suitor for Andruw. The Boss is always loony about acquiring players who kick the Yankees’ ass, even if it doesn’t completely make sense (getting Giambi despite already having Nick Johnson, getting Tony Womack at all.) In this case, Andruw would fit a need for them.
Unfortunately for us & fortunately for Yankee fans, Brian Cashman is not insane, so Wang is completely untouchable—and he should be.
Wang is a stud — hence my desire for him.
He’s the one Yankee I enjoy watching pitch—his games are so quick. It’s strike-one, groundball, over and over.
ESPN is reporting that Allen Iverson is traded to the Nuggets for Andre Miller, Joe Smith and 2 1st round picks…
Yep, already said. 🙂
#97. December 19th, 2006, at 3:40 PM.
Wang is a stud — hence my desire for him.
Stu, are you from San Fran or the Key’s??? 🙂
Hey LanceInFL, I left that one alone…There’s nothing wrong with Stu wanting Wang…
Why can’t we just put KJ in left field and take him out of the second base picture.
All this Wang love talk is starting to get wierd.
Pro Bowl QB’s
Drew Brees,Tony Romo and Marc Bulger
Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer(yessir) and Philip Rivers
You guys are both very funny and very original.
here’s the AFC complete roster…
and the NFC roster…
Thanks! You left out “childish,” so I’ll throw that one in too.
bowl games start tonight….
Do you like N Illinois or TCU? I’ll take TCU
Garrett Wolfe is a stud though
Sorry Stu, that’s the 12 yr old humor getting the best of me
Yeah I chose TCU too….
from MLB rumors…
Giants Sign Ryan Klesko
According to the AP, the Giants have signed Ryan Klesko to a one-year deal.
Rich Aurilia will be the primary first baseman in San Francisco, but could certainly be needed at second base for 20+ games. Klesko can squeeze in at first as well as play a little left field, DH during interleague, and pinch-hit.
Back in October, Klesko said he was feeling the best he has since the first half of 2003. He hit .262/.361/.520 with 19 HR before the break that year. He finally has two healthy shoulders and no neck problems
Also, there is an update that the Yanks and Pirates talks have progressed. Melky for Gonzo, there is no mention of the Braves in the latest talks. I’m still thinking LaRoche goes to Anaheim or Balty…
That doesnt mean that the Pirates wont try and flip Melky to us though
What, no Michael Vick on the Pro Bowl roster. That’s an outrage. He doesn’t suck any worse this year than the year’s he made it.
Hey, he’s a lefty…maybe he could platoon with Frenchy in RF.
Maybe Michael Vick could convince Brian Jordan to unretire from football.
I think Denver did really well on that Iverson deal. Philly, on the other hand, not so much. They did clear some cap space, but I am sure they would have liked to get some really good young talent, too.
If all quarterbacks were as bad as Michael Vick, Deion and Brian could still play DB in the NFL. Heck, I could cover his passes.
Hate that about Iverson. We had an office pool going of which would happen first Iverson get traded or Bama hire a coach. I had Bama get a coach. The over under was 3 days.
About half the QBs in the NFL are worse than Vick. His downfall is accuracy.
That and shitty receivers…
His receivers are lousy, but he’s never been an accurate passer.
Vick is good enough to win, the guys around him and Knapp is not. The defense should be a lot better than they are. Personally, I don’t get why D-Hall is so praised? The guy doesn’t know how to stop the big play. Every team’s big reciever beats him at least once every game for a TD
And, as bad as Vick is passing, he is going to shatter the all-time QB rushing record. That can win games. and by the way, against a pretty good defense (Dallas) Vick was 16-24 with 4 TD’s, the second time he’s done that this year. That ain’t that bad guys.
I think Vick being left off the probowl roster may have something to do with the middle finger 🙂
The NFL is a passing league. You don’t win with a quarterback that is a better runner than passer. It’s certainly not all Vick’s fault, but they depend too much on Vick making plays on the ground. That won’t work consistently in the NFL. The Falcons won’t go anywhere until and unless their passing game improves.
Dallas’ pass D is a joke
Robert are you serious, this guy has shown nothing yet.
He’s 23 this year. The fact that he was in the majors at age 21 speaks to his talent. I’m not saying he’s a lock to be a star, but guys with his profile do very well.
Late with this comment, but this idea that Marte is a bust or whatever when he’s only 23 is ridiculous. Guys that put up the minor league numbers he has at the ages he compiled them, usually do quite well in the show.
And of course the comparison to Francoeur is silly as well as Marte doesn’t have the career crippling impatience that will keep Jeff from being good.
Has anyone taken that sports quiz on AJC?
I got 8/10…missed the thrashers question and two sons on the same team question…
If somebody can win a Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer, somebody can win a Super Bowl with Michael Vick.
I dunno, ububba. Didn’t Dilfer protect the quarterback a lot better than Vick does?
And by “quarterback,” I mean “football.”
Also, Dilfer didn’t make a fraction of what Vick makes — given the salary cap constraints, it was much easier to build a great team around him.
One of last year’s draft picks, Steven Evarts, is pretty handy with a bat . . . too bad he’s a pitcher.
Yes, we know. :p
Sorry, must have missed the earlier post.
anyone watching the bowl game…..TCU’s defense is great…
Robert, you just made the argument that because Marte’s only 23, he couldn’t be a bust… and then claimed that Francouer, who is not yet 23, is a bust. I’m just sayin’.
Robert, I wont agrue, but I do disagree w/ your points..
Moving on, Radke ends his career today. This should be someone that everyone has respect for. He wouldn’t ever let his teammates down and he played through multiple injuries. A true ballplayer and team leader.
In the NBA you either free up cap space or you get young talent. you’ll not likely swing both out of the same deal. The Sixers went with cap space and draft picks in a deep draft, maybe they’ll get young talent that way.
Good point, csg. Radke won’t make it into the Hall of Fame, but he deserves to be remembered. The consummate team player, the only good thing about a number of truly appalling teams, a class act, a fierce competitor, and a truly devastating changeup. He will be missed.
Robert–I agree that it is too early to write Marte off, but it might be fair to say that his ceiling has been lowered. Marte may well have peaked (in terms of potential) in 2002 when he led his league in HRs at a young age. Since 2002 his progress has been clear, but also uneven. My sense is that the best case scenario is that he will be a Bonilla type player. Not a bad thing to be, but the trade for Renteria looks pretty good from where I am sitting….
Otherwise, thanks Another Alex R. for the news about Alvarez. Another young arm is always welcome. Add the fact that Giles is not going to be a Met and its enough to make me nearly forget that in a slightly better world we have had Linebrink…
Melky Cabrera is so overrated. I’m really tiring of hearing his name, especially when the Braves can have Gonzalez or maybe Ray/Penn for the same price. LaRoche for Cabrera is a terrible deal and does nothing for the pitching.
As for the Falcons….FREE MATT SHAUB!
Because of the spies that opposing defenses employ against Vick, the Falcons can’t throw a lot of screen passes — the Falcons RBs have only 51 receptions on the year, and a lot of those are over-the-middle dumpoffs.
Where other teams use the screen pass as a safety valve, Vick keeps it. He’s his own screen. So if you want to shoehorn what Vick does into a common conception of quarterbacking, think of his runs as completed passes, his rushing TDs as passing TDs, and his fumbles as interceptions. It’s fair, and it gives a fuller picture.
You go from this:
77.9 rating (18th in NFL)
88.2 rating (10th in NFL)
Of course, to be completely fair you’d have to do this with all QBs, but other than Vince Young it’s safe to say nobody else would benefit nearly as much.
Didn’t Dilfer protect the quarterback a lot better than Vick does?
No. From 1995-2000, when Dilfer was a starter, he committed 89 turnovers in 85 games. Vick has 59 turnovers in 72 games. You could win a lot of bar bets around here with that number — the Vick-haters would probably guess 2+ turnovers per game.
Also, the Falcons crappy receivers haven’t helped at all. The DPI (Dropped Pass Index) is at about 40 now. I’ve watched all non-NFL Network (don’t get me started) Falcons games this year, and it’s unbelievably awful how many passes are dropped. Vick will never be the most accurate passer in the world, I’m not saying he is, but the receivers are egregious. Take the above numbers and add 12 completions for 240 yards (most of the drops are downfield) and 2 TDs. This small number MIGHT get the Falcons’ WRs up to mediocre. Then Vick’s numbers are:
93.87 rating (7th in NFL)
Interesting Notes for today….
The Angels and Braves had serious discussions about LaRoche, a young, power-hitting first baseman, at the winter meetings, and had the Angels been willing to part with Shields, a deal would have been done. I thought after the Braves acquired reliever Rafael Soriano from Seattle, they might be willing to accept a deal from the Angels that didn’t include a reliever — Atlanta also was interested in Figgins and first baseman Casey Kotchman. But the Braves are reportedly close to completing a three-team trade that would send LaRoche to Pittsburgh, Pirates closer Mike Gonzalez to the Yankees and Yankees left fielder Melky Cabrera to Atlanta, so the chances of LaRoche coming to Anaheim now appear slim.
Also….Unless the Yankees agree to give the Braves Melky Cabrera and Scott Proctor for Mike Gonzalez, a three-way deal including the Pirates won’t happen.
Vick won’t be effective until he gets a better O-line and learns to stay in the pocket until it breaks down. If/then he will be a potentially devastating QB.
The Ravens had a devastating defense the year they won the Super Bowl. They won despite Dilfer not because of him. I agree that Vick has godawful receivers and he is likely to improve as he matures, a la Donovan McNabb. I just don’t think you can win in the NFL consistently today without making big plays in the passing game. Even if you run the ball well, this is today a passing league. That’s not to say Vick won’t ever be able to do it, just that the passing game is going to have to improve. I think Vince Young, despite his heroics this year, will ultimately have the same issues until he improves the passing. Now, I recognize that you can read some racial implications into this and I certainly don’t want to do that, but I would take Brady or Manning over Vick in an instant as it stands today.
Just back froom vacation, catching up.
So, does everybody now understand why JS couldn’t get anything good for Giles? if his free agent value was $3.2m, then _clearly_ the league has doubts about him.
Yes, Giles may have given a little discount to SD, but I doubt it. He’s not at the point in his career yet where he’s made so much that he’d be happy to turn down millions for the privilege of spending 6 months playing on the same team as his brother. If it was a discount, i think that discount was small. If he did turn down a multi-year from TB, I suspect it had more to do with the long-term effect on his career that would come from being pegged as a backup.