I know Bobby is Mr. Loyalty, but come on. It’s time to move Andruw to 7th in the lineup and let him stay there until he finds some consistency.
Godot
on June 17, 2007 at 11:18 am
Bobby isn’t going to give Frenchy a break is he?
No Salty in the lineup. I am kinda surprised
Kyle B
on June 17, 2007 at 11:32 am
Some notes from yesterday’s game at the Jake:
1.) I met a woman from Decatur, Alabama who was in the ‘Braves 400 Club’ and was the most insightful Braves fan I’ve ever met. I also wanted to adopt her as my grandma.
2.) Since they have failed to win anything in any sport at any time in the last five decades or so, Cleveland fans are incredibly bitter.
3.) If batting practice was a game, Scott Thorman would be NL MVP.
4.) Brian Snitker has failed to grasp the concept of baseball and “scoring position.”
5.) Grady Sizemore is Ben Savage’s doppelganger.
Dan
on June 17, 2007 at 11:32 am
Thankfully this is the last day of the DH rule. Free Chipper Jones!
Andruw Jones and Jeff Francoeur=twin rally killers. They should never bat back-to-back again as far as I am concerned.
Pick your poison: Andruw Jones strikes out down by one run in the bottom of the ninth inning with bases loaded or Francouer meekly flies out on the first pitch in the same scenrio.
Dan
on June 17, 2007 at 11:35 am
*scenario
Dustin
on June 17, 2007 at 11:41 am
I think Frenchy is gonna hit a double today.
Andruw’s going to have a dozen horrible swings.
Davies, I don’t even want to think about Davies.
Tom
on June 17, 2007 at 12:12 pm
Wow, what an impressive top of the first. This is going to be a long day for the Braves, esp. with the ump calling strikes like that.
Ron
on June 17, 2007 at 12:12 pm
#5, Andruw has failed to make consistent contact all year. Give me Frenchy up with runners in scoring position, a spot where he usually excels.
Stephen
on June 17, 2007 at 12:38 pm
Not a bad start for Kyle…lets just hope that he can avoid an implosion in the next three innings….
Not his fault. Heck, you try pitching knowing you have to be perfect because this offense looks so dysfunctional.
Adam
on June 17, 2007 at 1:51 pm
Not even close to his fault.
Stephen
on June 17, 2007 at 1:52 pm
Actually, I partly blame Bobby: Kyle should have been pulled earlier–apparently no one was warmed up when the first baserunners got on. Since an implosion is always possible with Davies, the Braves should not have been caught off guard….
david15
on June 17, 2007 at 1:52 pm
McCann can’t throw at all for some reason.
Jeremy
on June 17, 2007 at 1:52 pm
I’d hardly classify that as a meltdown. No run support and absolute horrendous defense.
Stephen
on June 17, 2007 at 1:53 pm
At least the meltdown is a collective effort….
Jeremy
on June 17, 2007 at 2:00 pm
Pitching matchups for the Boston series:
Monday: Schilling vs. James
Tuesday: Beckett vs. Hudson
Wednesday: Tavarez vs. Carlyle
Stu
on June 17, 2007 at 2:02 pm
As I said several weeks ago, McCann is a defensive liability right now. And it’s not getting better.
Say what you want about Thorman, but at least he’s not hitting .209 and eating up 1/6 of the pay role.
Stephen
on June 17, 2007 at 2:26 pm
Exactly
Cary
on June 17, 2007 at 2:28 pm
Yes, Willie, Yes!!!
Alex R.
on June 17, 2007 at 2:29 pm
Mac can thankfully not ridicule Willie Harris anymore…the man has been a god send for this team. Even better that he’s a native Georgian who had always wanted to play for the Braves. Love that Willie.
Alex R.
on June 17, 2007 at 2:30 pm
Rick…I totally agree..Thor makes a fraction of mr. pot bellied Jones.
Trace
on June 17, 2007 at 2:31 pm
kelly was at third when the right fielder was just picking up the ball in the corner.. how does snitker not send him
david15
on June 17, 2007 at 2:35 pm
Kelly has to score on that.
Jeremy
on June 17, 2007 at 2:35 pm
Oh that’s just awful baserunning by Johnson.
Alex R.
on June 17, 2007 at 2:36 pm
Let’s see what the big hero does now.
Stu
on June 17, 2007 at 2:36 pm
Why did Kelly not score on that? Terrible.
And Skip’s sounding as dumb as his son—Kelly’s run does mean something in the 8th inning, big guy.
Totally predictable–Andruw is diving to new lows….
Tom
on June 17, 2007 at 2:39 pm
Is it fair to say that Andruw Jones is the WORST every day player in MLB right now? I can’t think of ANYONE worse than him.
Alex R.
on June 17, 2007 at 2:39 pm
Stu…After all these months of Chip, you have to be somewhat relieved to hear ghe voice of our childhood, Skip Caray, again?
Frankly, I want Skip to utilize Father’s Day to put Chip over his knee and spank the crap out of him.
Stu
on June 17, 2007 at 2:40 pm
On the plus side, it looks like we’ll get to face Borowski, and Andruw is as far away as possible from being able to bat in the inning.
On the minus side, Kelly prevents us from having to score only twice. Just awful baserunning.
RobBroad4th
on June 17, 2007 at 2:40 pm
Andruw will be hitting .100 something by the end of the week. Amazing.
Ron
on June 17, 2007 at 2:40 pm
I wonder if JS feels stupid for not trading him to Boston for Lester and Crisp last year now.
Dustin
on June 17, 2007 at 2:40 pm
Andruw is completely useless.
ryan c
on June 17, 2007 at 2:41 pm
the plate get about 1/2 a foot wider that inning. i remember that happening during the braves glory days. some of those strikes were…well, not strikes.
Alex R.
on June 17, 2007 at 2:41 pm
Why Bobby either won’t bench him (for now) or drop him in the order, is BEYOND me?
How much more would the Braves be scoring right now if we could get both Willie Harris and Matt Diaz out there and sit Andruw’s expanding a– on the bench.
RobBroad4th
on June 17, 2007 at 2:41 pm
But too close to take, Ryan. Agreed though.
RobBroad4th
on June 17, 2007 at 2:42 pm
Can Willie play center? Can Diaz play first?
Dustin
on June 17, 2007 at 2:42 pm
@ 52
I think that is safe to say.
Alex R.
on June 17, 2007 at 2:42 pm
If Diaz had been up in that inning, it would likely be at least 5-4 now after a Diaz double.
Andruw needs to be benched. It’s just beyond words now.
Stu
on June 17, 2007 at 2:42 pm
Yeah, Alex, you can tell there are moments where even Skip wants to tell Chip to just shut up.
But Skip excusing Kelly’s baserunning blunder by saying his run doesn’t mean anything is unfortunately quite Chip-ish. I don’t want Skip to be senile, but it’s happening.
Alex R.
on June 17, 2007 at 2:42 pm
I think Willie has the speed to definitely play Center.
I have no problem holding KJ at third with no outs and Renty & Chipper due. But you cannot have your head so far up your ass that you don’t score on Chipper’s ball to left. There is no excuse for that.
Stu
on June 17, 2007 at 2:44 pm
I agree completely with your second paragraph, ububba, but I can’t fathom being more disgusted with any ballplayer than I currently am with Andruw.
Alex R.
on June 17, 2007 at 2:44 pm
Stu…to be fair, I think we would all dumb it down (by default) having to sit next to eyebrows Chip for 3+ hours. It can have an effect–like osmosis.
Seriously, Skip and his wife should have laid off the booze during the Chip pregnancy. It may have helped.
Dustin
on June 17, 2007 at 2:44 pm
Remember in the late ’90’s when Bobby took Andruw out of a game being lazy and letting a ball drop?
I would hope batting him 8th
would be a wake up call like that was.
RobBroad4th
on June 17, 2007 at 2:44 pm
I would love to see Willie get a few starts in center. It would be a shame to fall out of the race after this huge week against Boston and Detroit.
Schilling vs. James tomorrow. I don’t like our chances much.
Ron
on June 17, 2007 at 2:46 pm
The way he’s been going, batting him 9th might be a better idea.
RobBroad4th
on June 17, 2007 at 2:47 pm
Davies might have a higher batting avg in a month.
Rick
on June 17, 2007 at 2:47 pm
Andruw needs to be put on the DL and someone like Blanco or Brandon Jones needs to be called up and given a shot. Just about anything would be better than this crap.
Stephen
on June 17, 2007 at 2:48 pm
Dustin–Good point and thanks for what is now a good memory. But what would it take to get Andruw out of his slumber? With free agency looming, you would think that Andruw would have gotten it together….
Alex R.
on June 17, 2007 at 2:49 pm
Rob,
I totally agree…Bobby has to look at the Phillies and Marlins winning a lot more and the Mets not winning as much as a way to keep the Braves in the race by making a few changes. It tarts with figuring out a way to get two of our hottest hitters, Diaz and Harris, in the lineup at the exact same time.
Benching Andruw, putting those 2 in the everyday lineup, and dropping Thor to 8th is the only way to get our best lineup.
Actually, scratch that…bench Thor and put Salty at 1st. When McCann needs a day off, Salty goes behind the plate.
Bottomline, Thor and Andruw are our two worst hitters, let’s get them out of the lineup, please.
Cary
on June 17, 2007 at 2:49 pm
Replacements for Andruw:
1. Tori Hunter (MIN)*–skills
2. Adam Jones (SEA)–ripping it up, young Andruw, Mariners front office need quick fix
3. Rocco Baldelli (SEA)–hey, Stu
4. Coco Crisp (BOS)–cheap, sux for Sox like Renty
5. Alex Escobar (WSH)–dirt cheap flier
*off-season
More??
And Bonds just homered #748
Alex R.
on June 17, 2007 at 2:50 pm
Stephen,
The only saving grace is at this rate, it will be very cheap to keep him next year. Good luck to that lying, SOB thief, Scott Boras, trying to pilfer millions for a .230 hitting Andruw. Ha.
Alex R.
on June 17, 2007 at 2:51 pm
Will someone please trip Barry rounding the bases for that “accidental” break? Sheesh. I HATE him.
Jeremy
on June 17, 2007 at 2:51 pm
Andruw is not going to hit .208 all year no matter how much you guys hate him.
Alex R.
on June 17, 2007 at 2:52 pm
Jeremy,
You are 100% correct on this. I think he ends the year around .230. Can’t wait for that.
Cary
on June 17, 2007 at 2:55 pm
For the record, I wouldn’t bench Andruw. If you want Diaz and Willie in the lineup, play Diaz at 1B.
Now dropping Andruw behind Frenchy to #7 (moving McCann and Frency up) may be something I’d consider.
Cleveland is one of the best home teams in baseball, so I’ll be happy with 2 out of 3
Alex R.
on June 17, 2007 at 2:58 pm
Sickening. And you can definitely look at that black hole in the 4th spot in the lineup for too many lost opportunities, like the 8th. I am d-o-n-e with Andruw.
Alex R.
on June 17, 2007 at 2:59 pm
Davey…yes, 2 of 3 is nice, but after getting swept in Minny, a sweep was really needed.
Cary
on June 17, 2007 at 3:01 pm
Andruw is still our best center fielder, though Willie would be fine there. I’m just not enthused about replacing Andruw with Matt Diaz, who’s a fine role player, but nothing more.
It’s a long and deep slump, but it won’t last forever. Noted that he does look like shit right now.
Time to get out the hobnailed boot.
I know Bobby is Mr. Loyalty, but come on. It’s time to move Andruw to 7th in the lineup and let him stay there until he finds some consistency.
Bobby isn’t going to give Frenchy a break is he?
No Salty in the lineup. I am kinda surprised
Some notes from yesterday’s game at the Jake:
1.) I met a woman from Decatur, Alabama who was in the ‘Braves 400 Club’ and was the most insightful Braves fan I’ve ever met. I also wanted to adopt her as my grandma.
2.) Since they have failed to win anything in any sport at any time in the last five decades or so, Cleveland fans are incredibly bitter.
3.) If batting practice was a game, Scott Thorman would be NL MVP.
4.) Brian Snitker has failed to grasp the concept of baseball and “scoring position.”
5.) Grady Sizemore is Ben Savage’s doppelganger.
Thankfully this is the last day of the DH rule. Free Chipper Jones!
Andruw Jones and Jeff Francoeur=twin rally killers. They should never bat back-to-back again as far as I am concerned.
Pick your poison: Andruw Jones strikes out down by one run in the bottom of the ninth inning with bases loaded or Francouer meekly flies out on the first pitch in the same scenrio.
*scenario
I think Frenchy is gonna hit a double today.
Andruw’s going to have a dozen horrible swings.
Davies, I don’t even want to think about Davies.
Wow, what an impressive top of the first. This is going to be a long day for the Braves, esp. with the ump calling strikes like that.
#5, Andruw has failed to make consistent contact all year. Give me Frenchy up with runners in scoring position, a spot where he usually excels.
Not a bad start for Kyle…lets just hope that he can avoid an implosion in the next three innings….
I see first pitch swinging in my nightmares.
Carmona has some wicked stuff & Davies is dropping an evil hook.
Andruw looks like he will never ever get a hit again.
Yes, I’m very curious, what is Andruw’s problem?
All the Mets fans want Delgado’s head on a platter, and he’s batting average is better than Andruw’s at this point.
Andruw is trying to hit 162 homeruns so Scott Boras can land him a $50 million/year contract with the Yankees next year. Not going to happen.
how many extra outs have we given lately? our fielding and decision making has been atrocious.
Lost in the whole Salty at first and defensive inexperience hullabaloo is that Thorman is a pretty shitty defensive player in his own right.
Thorman is no good at everything.
I see Kyle is right on time with the meltdown.
Not his fault. Heck, you try pitching knowing you have to be perfect because this offense looks so dysfunctional.
Not even close to his fault.
Actually, I partly blame Bobby: Kyle should have been pulled earlier–apparently no one was warmed up when the first baserunners got on. Since an implosion is always possible with Davies, the Braves should not have been caught off guard….
McCann can’t throw at all for some reason.
I’d hardly classify that as a meltdown. No run support and absolute horrendous defense.
At least the meltdown is a collective effort….
Pitching matchups for the Boston series:
Monday: Schilling vs. James
Tuesday: Beckett vs. Hudson
Wednesday: Tavarez vs. Carlyle
As I said several weeks ago, McCann is a defensive liability right now. And it’s not getting better.
At least Andruw’s consistent.
Andruw….
Put Andruw in the doghouse, Mac. Do it!
Wow.
Bow wow.
DL Andruw
Nice shot, Buckner.
I’d trade outs for solo homers.
Say what you want about Thorman, but at least he’s not hitting .209 and eating up 1/6 of the pay role.
Exactly
Yes, Willie, Yes!!!
Mac can thankfully not ridicule Willie Harris anymore…the man has been a god send for this team. Even better that he’s a native Georgian who had always wanted to play for the Braves. Love that Willie.
Rick…I totally agree..Thor makes a fraction of mr. pot bellied Jones.
kelly was at third when the right fielder was just picking up the ball in the corner.. how does snitker not send him
Kelly has to score on that.
Oh that’s just awful baserunning by Johnson.
Let’s see what the big hero does now.
Why did Kelly not score on that? Terrible.
And Skip’s sounding as dumb as his son—Kelly’s run does mean something in the 8th inning, big guy.
Sheesh.
KJ is a bonehead there.
In Little League, you’re taught to go back to the bag. If the ball drops in, you score anyway. Cost us a run.
In Andruw’s defense, he’s better than Langerhans was.
If only he was as good as Willie Harris…
Yeah, I’m sure the opposition is really scared of Andruw right now, Chip.
Shocking.
Wow that was great clutch hitting
SCREW.
Totally predictable–Andruw is diving to new lows….
Is it fair to say that Andruw Jones is the WORST every day player in MLB right now? I can’t think of ANYONE worse than him.
Stu…After all these months of Chip, you have to be somewhat relieved to hear ghe voice of our childhood, Skip Caray, again?
Frankly, I want Skip to utilize Father’s Day to put Chip over his knee and spank the crap out of him.
On the plus side, it looks like we’ll get to face Borowski, and Andruw is as far away as possible from being able to bat in the inning.
On the minus side, Kelly prevents us from having to score only twice. Just awful baserunning.
Andruw will be hitting .100 something by the end of the week. Amazing.
I wonder if JS feels stupid for not trading him to Boston for Lester and Crisp last year now.
Andruw is completely useless.
the plate get about 1/2 a foot wider that inning. i remember that happening during the braves glory days. some of those strikes were…well, not strikes.
Why Bobby either won’t bench him (for now) or drop him in the order, is BEYOND me?
How much more would the Braves be scoring right now if we could get both Willie Harris and Matt Diaz out there and sit Andruw’s expanding a– on the bench.
But too close to take, Ryan. Agreed though.
Can Willie play center? Can Diaz play first?
@ 52
I think that is safe to say.
If Diaz had been up in that inning, it would likely be at least 5-4 now after a Diaz double.
Andruw needs to be benched. It’s just beyond words now.
Yeah, Alex, you can tell there are moments where even Skip wants to tell Chip to just shut up.
But Skip excusing Kelly’s baserunning blunder by saying his run doesn’t mean anything is unfortunately quite Chip-ish. I don’t want Skip to be senile, but it’s happening.
I think Willie has the speed to definitely play Center.
I’m more mad at KJ than Andruw right now.
I have no problem holding KJ at third with no outs and Renty & Chipper due. But you cannot have your head so far up your ass that you don’t score on Chipper’s ball to left. There is no excuse for that.
I agree completely with your second paragraph, ububba, but I can’t fathom being more disgusted with any ballplayer than I currently am with Andruw.
Stu…to be fair, I think we would all dumb it down (by default) having to sit next to eyebrows Chip for 3+ hours. It can have an effect–like osmosis.
Seriously, Skip and his wife should have laid off the booze during the Chip pregnancy. It may have helped.
Remember in the late ’90’s when Bobby took Andruw out of a game being lazy and letting a ball drop?
I would hope batting him 8th
would be a wake up call like that was.
I would love to see Willie get a few starts in center. It would be a shame to fall out of the race after this huge week against Boston and Detroit.
Schilling vs. James tomorrow. I don’t like our chances much.
The way he’s been going, batting him 9th might be a better idea.
Davies might have a higher batting avg in a month.
Andruw needs to be put on the DL and someone like Blanco or Brandon Jones needs to be called up and given a shot. Just about anything would be better than this crap.
Dustin–Good point and thanks for what is now a good memory. But what would it take to get Andruw out of his slumber? With free agency looming, you would think that Andruw would have gotten it together….
Rob,
I totally agree…Bobby has to look at the Phillies and Marlins winning a lot more and the Mets not winning as much as a way to keep the Braves in the race by making a few changes. It tarts with figuring out a way to get two of our hottest hitters, Diaz and Harris, in the lineup at the exact same time.
Benching Andruw, putting those 2 in the everyday lineup, and dropping Thor to 8th is the only way to get our best lineup.
Actually, scratch that…bench Thor and put Salty at 1st. When McCann needs a day off, Salty goes behind the plate.
Bottomline, Thor and Andruw are our two worst hitters, let’s get them out of the lineup, please.
Replacements for Andruw:
1. Tori Hunter (MIN)*–skills
2. Adam Jones (SEA)–ripping it up, young Andruw, Mariners front office need quick fix
3. Rocco Baldelli (SEA)–hey, Stu
4. Coco Crisp (BOS)–cheap, sux for Sox like Renty
5. Alex Escobar (WSH)–dirt cheap flier
*off-season
More??
And Bonds just homered #748
Stephen,
The only saving grace is at this rate, it will be very cheap to keep him next year. Good luck to that lying, SOB thief, Scott Boras, trying to pilfer millions for a .230 hitting Andruw. Ha.
Will someone please trip Barry rounding the bases for that “accidental” break? Sheesh. I HATE him.
Andruw is not going to hit .208 all year no matter how much you guys hate him.
Jeremy,
You are 100% correct on this. I think he ends the year around .230. Can’t wait for that.
For the record, I wouldn’t bench Andruw. If you want Diaz and Willie in the lineup, play Diaz at 1B.
Now dropping Andruw behind Frenchy to #7 (moving McCann and Frency up) may be something I’d consider.
Alright Thor…
wow…LUCKY shot for Thor. I will take it.
It sure would be nice to be down only two right now.
There are 92 game left, Alex. We’ll see.
Cary,
3-5 K’s a game makes him one of our worst hitters. I think Willie can make all the plays we need in Center.
C’mon, Kelly…3 run jack here. Please.
We’re not going to be able to afford Andruw Jones next year either way. He’s gone after this year, if not before (unlikely).
Teams will just figure he had an off year and still pony up big bucks for his defense and expected offensive return.
Stu,
Andruw’s trying & he’s a disaster. I don’t know what to say about him anymore.
What KJ did was bush league. As Little League coaches always tell you, “Physical errors are more forgivable than mental errors.”
How ’bout making up for it now, KJ?
Guess not.
Cleveland is one of the best home teams in baseball, so I’ll be happy with 2 out of 3
Sickening. And you can definitely look at that black hole in the 4th spot in the lineup for too many lost opportunities, like the 8th. I am d-o-n-e with Andruw.
Davey…yes, 2 of 3 is nice, but after getting swept in Minny, a sweep was really needed.
Andruw is still our best center fielder, though Willie would be fine there. I’m just not enthused about replacing Andruw with Matt Diaz, who’s a fine role player, but nothing more.
It’s a long and deep slump, but it won’t last forever. Noted that he does look like shit right now.
Damn! Sweep would have been nice. Hope the BoSox don’t lay into us now.
Gotta plate the runners in the 8th with the heart of the order up.
Well, looks like we won’t have any more Elvis Costello for a while. That’s a shame.
And at the very least Andruw needs to be dropped in the line-up.
Alex,
A sweep would’ve been very nice, specially with the BoSox coming up. Now that game Wick blew against the Twins hurts even more.