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According to the AJC, Gonzalez is out for the year with a partial elbow tear, and will require Tommy John surgery, ETA: 12-16months
just great!
DAMN it.
so why is there no pain there, call up Stockman I guess
so he might miss all of 08 also, better hold on to Wick next year too
I guess this also means Devine gets to stay a little while longer too….
That really sucks. Hopefully some guys step up. The bats better get going tonight. Moyer has allowed 17 hits in his last 9+ innings.
so….who now got the better deal in the gonzo/laroche trade? i guess i would rather have nothing (like what we have now) than a below mendoza line 1st baseman. needless to say both sides are disappointed. speaking of the trade, how is lillibridge doing in the minors?
Wow, that’s disheartening. I’m going to be in a foul mood tonight.
Ryan, at least we got some useful production out of Gonzo when he did pitch. Can the Pirates say the same about Huckleberry?
Makes me look good though.
Decent average/OBP, little power. Pretty good for a still-young player.
I’m not worried at all.
landogarner,
I’m pretty sure making you look good, at least when it comes to talking about baseball, is impossible.
I’m not really worried either…Gonzo wasnt really a LOOGY, but we will need someone to fill that role…oh no, I just had a vision of the OTHER Cormier in the bullpen
Decent average/OBP, little power. Pretty good for a still-young player.
and by all accounts, very good defence. Oh and lots of speed
Hopefully Gonzo will be healthy for the start of next year. Someone needs to step it up. I’m happy Cox views Wickman as the closer and can use Soriano in the important situations instead of waiting to use him in the 9th.
Psssh, we have plenty of people to work through. I think the Braves are still in pretty good shape. It’s not time to throw in the towel.
I mean, I still think we have a good team, but I don’t see how losing Gonzalez is anything but a big blow. The team was better with him available in the bullpen than it will be without him.
Will the next 12-14 months he’s on the DL count as service time?
better hope Wickman and Soriano’s injury problems are behind them. By the way, LaRoche still sucks and Horam is about to get shut down with a shoulder injury. We definitely got the better end of both of those deals. The Pirates are looking at getting Wilson to platoon with Laroche
And we still have Brent Lillibridge in our system, so that deal isn’t a TOTAL washout.
Hate King, they are saying 12-18 months. If its the latter we might not see him next year either. That’ll be the bigger blow to the team
Jeremy, I was wondering the same thing.
I mean, I still think we have a good team, but I don’t see how losing Gonzalez is anything but a big blow. The team was better with him available in the bullpen than it will be without him.
For sure. It becomes crucial now that we somehow keep Wickman and Soriano healthy, and somehow hang on to The Good Yates. Three good guys is usually enough.
I think Paronto needs to be DL-ed and let his groin heal. And FREE BUDDY HERNANDEZ!
Awww Stu don’t be bitter little buddy! It’s hard to admit when you turn out to be so utterly and completely wrong about something. I understand.
I don’t deny that it’s a problem that Gonzalez is injured, but I REALLY don’t think it’s that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things. Hell, if it gets that bad, I think the Braves could afford to sign a good reliever if they let Andruw go.
I don’t know why I waste my time like this, but here goes…again:
How does LaRoche’s failure to hit with the Pirates this year make you look good? Your argument last year—before you disappeared after being overwhelmingly proved wrong by on-field performance, anyway—was that Francoeur was a better player than LaRoche. It wasn’t true at the time you made the argument (again, before you ran away to hide) and it wasn’t true for the rest of the 2006 season. Demonstrably so. Check the stats.
Your straw men notwithstanding, nobody said Francoeur wouldn’t turn into the better player over time or that he wasn’t the more talented athlete. The point was simply that, last year, Adam LaRoche was more valuable to the Braves than Jeff Francoeur. Again, the stats back that up (of course, the stats backed that claim up then, too, and you predictably chose to ignore them).
In sum: You were wrong then and you were never right. If you think you look good now, more power to you—nobody else does.
Lando is a joke, Stu. He made a fool of himself last year. Everyone knows this. Just ignore him and hopefully he’ll go away.
Stu quit being a stupid ass again. You were never right. Blah Blah Blah. Crybaby !!!
That bites about Gonzo, but I think few of us saw that coming.
At least the money we save from not signing Jones will let us get a couple ptichers (maybe).
oldtimer,
See, there we go. 🙂 There’s a silver lining in every cloud. In the meantime, I would like to think that Joey Devine is ready to give the majors another shot. I still have confidence in him.
I have hope for him, but I can’t quite muster confidence yet.
I realize that, and I also realize he hasn’t done anything yet in the majors that could make a person have confidence in him, but I have confidence in him nonetheless.
Wow, I was just thinking, we could lose Andruw to FA, Chipper to retirement and Hampton to the trash-heap in one offseason. I dont want Chipper to go, but the injuries are mounting at a furious pace and it may just be time, hopefully Hampton will retire so we can use his cash so to tie up some people and buy a few others.
1. Everybody behave.
2. Whoever’s trying to pretend to be UBubba, I’m not going to approve your comments, so you might as well stop.
Mac,
Any idea on how this injury and subsequent DL stint affects Gonzo’s service time?
Time on the major league DL is service time. It’ll cut into his arbitration awards, but he’ll make free agency in normal time.
@Justin lol
Jeremy, who are you? Nobody worth remembering obviously.
Not that it matters but me “disapearing” , as you put it, had nothing to do with a few blowhard windbags on some internet forum that I could obviously care less what they think about me or my opinions. Otherwise I wouldn’t have come back…. ?????
This is why I got so concerned after Bobby took out Gonzo that night. Hitting a brick wall like that usually means trouble…
Damn..I knew this was going to happen.
Davey,
Man, don’t start crying on me.
It’s not the end of the world, for God’s sake.
Don’t worry Samuel…I’ll survive somehow
Davey,
Good man. 😀
Really bad timing by Gonzo! He’ll not miss one, but two full seasons because of this injury, given that it takes the average pitcher 15-18 month to come back from TJ surgery.
Oh, and btw: I predicted just that here
http://bravesjournal.us/?p=3024#comments
(comment nr 3). Thanks again for calling me names.
Here’s hoping Tim has a good night.
Rollins still has our #
The news about Gonzalez really sucks! Can’t think of anything worse (other than a man named Smoltzie or Huddy going down). Huddy seems to be slipping into the ’06 funk.
Jamie Moyer works on my nerves for some reason….
Maybe it’s because he has the arm of pidgeon
he a successful Redman. Did I just compare him to Redman?
63 mph
If I was Jeffrey, I would’ve charged the mound just because that pitch registered at 63…
Wow
Prado is better than Orr and Woodward, but who isnt
“Martin Prado is a baseball player..”
Yes, he is indeed a baseball player Joe.
Nice Andruw…
Dang. the gonzo news sucks. But yates has been pitching good and hopefully mcbride can be decent if not dominant like gonzales.
well i guess we ask our starters to go 7 innings rather than 6.
Just to be snarky. Rocco Baldelli
ba/obp/slg .204 .268 .358 back on the dl again with a hammy. sure sucks that we didn’t get him for salty and escobar.
I am coming in late on this discussion but really backbreaking news on Gonzo. God thats depressing. At least this year, with Soriano and Wickman, we still have enough firepower at the end of a game to shut teams down.
The larger problem here is that with no Gonzo and no Hampton, we have nothing from the left side. Nothing. We needed to probably trade for another pitcher this Summer befpre the dealine and now that’s an absolute priority above anything else. Preferably, a quality lefty starter.
I suppose there’s probably no way in Hell the D-rays would do Kazmir for Salty and a few other young studs?
Also…I HATE J-Roll.
BOOOOOO…….
If anyone here has watched Prison break….
Gonzo somehow reminds me of T-Bag.
I want Kazmir, but no way he’s traded. I would take Hamels or Hill, but same with them also
Ironic how Reitsma and Horacio are both on the DL for Seattle. At least we dont have those bums anymore.
Too ironic a Mets Doctor has diagnosed two of our guys this year.
I hate umpires.
and there goes Bobby
Bobby is the man
Today is just not a good day for the Braves…
great now we get Woodward and Prado in the same game again
Bobby only 2 away
Great…edgar was thrown out…I’m not necessarily upset that edgar was thrown out but that Woodward will likely be playing in his absent.
McGraw is going down!
The team needs Andruw to deliver tonight more than ever…
Okay, I know you were waiting for it…
Wow, Bobby looks young in that picture…
Okay, you guys know I hate complaining about umpiring, right? But this has been a really terribly umpired game. I just wanted to get that on the record.
Bobby looks trim also…
yep, these umps have missed almost every call
speaking of a young, trim looking Bobby Cox…
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190114931420#ebayphotohosting
I bet we see Devine tonight
Hudson’s first K in his last 9 IP.
Man the bottom of the order is the only hope for the Braves, unless Andruw shakes the funk.
feast or famine with our offense
Not only does Bobby look younger, but it looks like he’s halfway through saying “a word that is a complete no-no with umpires”
It would also be nice to get a little Marlins help with the mut$. They are locked in a real pitching duel.
What is the scoop on Brady Carlyle? I just saw him slated for the start tomorrow. Does the Vulture need to get primed and readied?
http://prison-break-fr.be/images/t-bag.jpg
Gonzo when he’s older…
Buddy Carlyle. I did a player analysis this morning though mostly all I had to go on were stats.
Buddy Carlyle…because Lance Cormier is unavailable?
Yes, we need to trade for another starter.
Moyer gets his 2nd hit… you kidding me
Rollins scares me, kind of like Reyes
need a K here
Thor can play on my team any day
drop Woodward or Orr, move Harris to util player. Let Thor platoon with Diaz in LF and Salty at 1st.
Trade for a lefty SP and RP and a big bat off the bench. Just speaking out loud.
Where’s our offense?
here we go, time for a stolen base. Prado and Woodward on deck, gross!
Cormier’s not ready and Carlyle’s been the best pitcher in Richmond. There is a reasonable chance he’s just been unlucky/misused and is a credible ML starter.
take the bat off your shoulder, its your job to move the runner
that looked fair
Great, two runners on and our #3 hitter up! Oh, wait…
Im guessing Moyer makes Woodward look bad here. If he can lay down a good bunt, Ill be surprised
I’d rather have Bobby Dews at the plate now
Well, at least he didn’t hit into a double play.
Francouer think “THE OTHER WAY”
Come on Jeffrey!
Well, that was an odd play.
Im surprised that they’re pitching to Jeff, Druw is a DP machine.
WHAT A FREAKIN WEIRD PLAY!!!!!
That’ll work!
Thanks Howard.
that is the worst throw I’ve ever seen by a MLB player
Somewhere Chuck Knoblauch is giggling.
Either that one or the one Kolb threw Chipper a couple of years ago
THANKS RYAN!
I blame the 3B more than Howard, actually. He runs to the bag and he gets an easy out, maybe two. Maybe Prado has strange mental powers.
The third baseman screwed up for sure, but Howard’s throw was comical
Just for kicks, would an Andrew Jones to the Red Sox for Coco Crisp and Jon Lester deal work? What do you think?
For the Braves, we get another starter in Lester–a young, well-regarded lefty to boot. Also, Crisp plays a good defensive CF and while his bat at the bottom of the Red Sox order has been weak (in the wake of his finger injury last year), he has proven a solid #2 hitter in the past in Cleveland and has had success there for Boston as well.
For Boston (well, we don’t care, but they would need to see the logic to pull the trigger), they pick up another dangerous power bat without sacrificing defense in CF. Also, they can simply take Andruw for the rest of the year, then let him walk, since they have a CF replacement groomed for next year in Jacob Ellsbury. The Sox can also afford to let Lester go with Clay Buchholz and Michael Bowden on the way, and Lester serving as merely the 5th starter this year.
The question is would this (1) improve the 2007 Braves’ chances of winning the World Series and (2) set the Braves up for future title runs.
For 2007, Lester gives us another starting pitcher to run out as our #3 or #4. Crisp replaces Andruw in CF and provides equivalent defense, but less offense over the course of the year. Will Lester’s insertion into the starting rotation compensate for the drop in offense from Andruw Jones to Coco Crisp? (I think.. yes.)
Going forward, Andruw would be gone anyway, so trading him works out better because we get an MLB ready pitcher and CF replacement rather than just a draft pick for losing him.
So, tell me where I’m crazy here.
That was the deal the Sox turned down last year, though that was pre-cancer.
Okay, that’s bullshit. He stands still, the ball doesn’t hit him. He turned into the ball. I am sick and tired of this and MLB has to do something about players not trying to get out of the way.
It does seem to be the safest way to pitch him though…
I don’t like Pat Burrell as a person, and i think he’s a horrible baseball player, but dammit I LOVE him on the phils
So…has anyone here considered Rowand as a replacement for Drew?
Don’t scold me…I’m just floating it out there
I think phillies fans might actually riot if they traded Rowand. They LOVE that guy.
i think he’s a horrible baseball player,
125 OPS last 2 years, and on pace for another? I’ll take some of that terrible right here
Well, this is deflating
I hate the Phillies and I hate (even more) when starters are left in too long, BOBBY.
By the way, what happened to the unhittable Huddy from the 1st month? Is he coming back anytime soon?
I miss him. A lot.
Does Bobby Cox ever learn from past mistakes? EVER?!?
spike:
That doesn’t show the fact that he’s hitting about .150 with runners in scoring position.
Plus philies fans HATE him. They’re usually good judges of bad apples.
Cary,
I would do that deal, straight up without Lester.
If people think the old Andruw of 51 homers, is coming back, they are smoking something.
Remember, he’s been total garbage AND IT’S A CONTRACT YEAR.
I am 100% for us being able to deal Andruw “Pot Belly” Jones.
I want to fight Moyer
Mac, the Sox may have turned it down last year, but A) that was pre-cancer for Lester, B) they still believed in Crisp, and C) the minor league pitchers just behind Lester have successfully advanced.
I think it could be attainable now.
I’m shocked, shocked!, Alex would do that deal. No more big hero. Ha!
Pat Burrell, runners in scoring position (2007):
.294 .468 .559
Cary…you should have put the second SHOCKED in all CAPS. Ha.
…….*sigh*
Crap! And the Marlins blew up in the 9th, so the Mets won 6-2.
They’re usually good judges of bad apples.
like those bums Schmidt and Rolen.
IT’S A CONTRACT YEAR.
I thought guys always did their best at such a juncture…