Well Mac, we ask better questions because we are all some what educated. It seems to me that CHop Talk will hire anyone. Hmmm on second thought, maybe I should send them a resume.
ChuckS
on December 28, 2005 at 9:10 am
Is it me or does it seem that Jim Rice is getting a ton of publicity for the HOF this year? I never really followed the American League, but isn’t he an all around inferior player compared to Andre Dawson and even Dale Murphy for that matter? He was a good hitter but his numbers aren’t much better (with the exception of OPS) than Dawson’s or Murphy’s and he was a poor fielder who stole very few bases. Murphy and Dawson were gold glovers. Dawson stole over 300 bases and Murphy was a 30-30 man. I understand Murphy flamed out pretty early and is borderline for the HOF, but Dawson stayed around long enough to put up more impressive all around numbers. Why doesn’t he get more press? Why hasn’t he made it already? Rice will probably make it in this year and Dawson and Murphy will probably be left out. Just goes to show you the main stream sports writers are morons.
Smitty
on December 28, 2005 at 9:10 am
If I had Hudson money I would create a Tennessee Vols amusment park. I would have the Erik Ainge, “Throw it over the target” toss game. The “Catch the Ball without using your thumbs” game. and the “Instead of tackling, just touch this tackling dummy.”
I have had a bitter Autumn.
Smitty
on December 28, 2005 at 9:19 am
I read on a rummor board that the Mets asked Tampa about Lugo and the answer was David Wright. I think they have Lugo confussed with Honus Wagner
Smitty
on December 28, 2005 at 9:40 am
Ok I was reading Jenny’s friends at SOsH (slow day at work) and they were talking about sending Arroyo for Langerhans. Then they said Langerhans wasn’t a centerfeilder (they made it sound like he wasn’t that good of a defender.)
I thought those guys were “the best and the brightest”
doubledawg
on December 28, 2005 at 10:00 am
smitty,
A Squirt Syrup into Phillip Fulmers Mouth to make the balloon explode would be a must have. With the winner getting a Peach Bowl t-shirt.
I think the Braves missed the boat with Nomar. Our first base situation is dire. We have a poor imitation of Klesko with no Brian “the Beaver” Hunter to platoon.
jenny
on December 28, 2005 at 10:00 am
If I’m reading the same thread you were, Smitty, ONE GUY said that he READ that Langerhans wasn’t a “true center fielder.” That’s a bit different than what you were saying, don’t you think? 🙂
And Palmeiro just needs to shut up. Nobody cares any more and he’s just digging himself a deeper hole.
spike
on December 28, 2005 at 10:52 am
Is it me or does it seem that Jim Rice is getting a ton of publicity for the HOF this year? I never really followed the American League, but isn’t he an all around inferior player compared to Andre Dawson and even Dale Murphy for that matter?
The argument for or against Rice is a little different than that of Dawson/Murphy. Rice has much better rate stats than Dawson or Murphy. He was a better hitter for average and power, and has superior RC/27. He played 16 seasons to Dawsons 21, whic his more an explanation of Dawsons counting stats than a slap at Rice. Murph had a slightly better peak, but Rice was very good for 10 straight seasons. Rice has a better peak than Dawson, and was definitely the best player in the AL in ’78. Dawson was never the best player in his league, Schmidt should have won in ’82, and had a case in ’83 over Murph, albeit it was no great sin for Dale to get it that year. Schmidt played in a much tougher park to hit in, but I’ll grant Dale’s positional adjustment closes any offensive gap for that year.
Thing is, the press rightly or wrongly, hated Rice, and there is some debate over whether he is a Fenway creation. I think there’s a bit of overcorrection going on now, what with the crying over steroids and all. I don’t think Rice will get in though, but it wouldn’t bother me either way – depends if you are a big Hall person or not. To me, Rice just misses the peak, and his career totals as well – but he’s still a better choice than Dawson or Murphy
ububba
on December 28, 2005 at 10:56 am
Although Rice is surely borderline, personally, I’d put him in the HoF before Murphy or Dawson. Rice had more peak years than the other 2, & he certainly was one of the very best offensive players of his era. When Rice was playing, I damn-sure thought I was watching a future HoFer.
Murphy, as we all know, peaked between 1981-87, while Dawson was the classic “compiler” of stats with very few off-the-charts seasons (eg.-lotsa 70-80 RBI seasons).
From what I understand, Rice was extremely difficult with sportswriters & fans. The HoF voting seems to be the writers’ revenge.
If Jim Rice got in the HoF, it wouldn’t be a travesty.
Smitty
on December 28, 2005 at 10:59 am
I agree that Rice should be in.
But the Hawk was the best player in the NL in 1987
doubledawg
on December 28, 2005 at 11:13 am
I think Dale has a case for 1987. His OPS was 100 points higher than Dawson, he had dawson beat in batting average, doubles, steals, and had 44HR to the Hawk’s 49. The only category that sunk murphy was RBI, which has a lot more to do with the team you are on, not necessarily the player. How the hell Murphy finished 11th, I’ll never know.
Smitty
on December 28, 2005 at 11:39 am
Murph could have won the 5 MVPs, if he had been on some decent teams. RBI are over rated, but I think a lot of MVP voters look closly at that stat and Murph didn’t have anyone hitting in front of him. But without Murph the Braves would have been in last place anyways, so he really wasn’t the MOST valuable player, but he was one of the tope five players in the league between 82-87.
spike
on December 28, 2005 at 11:43 am
But the Hawk was the best player in the NL in 1987
Doubledawg makes a nice point, but I’d go with that Clark guy. OPS 1.055/OPS+ 176 is just a mammoth season in the non Bonds/Ruth division.
Smitty
on December 28, 2005 at 11:52 am
I think Clark was on Roids
jac holtzman
on December 28, 2005 at 12:22 pm
Ex-Brave Jeff Reardon:
I give the guy credit, when you are a major leaguer, you don’t steal an old ladies purse, you go for the gusto and knock over a jewelry store. How will this hurt his Hall of Fame chances? Who gives a rat’s a$$. What a stud. I just wish he had groomed better prior to the attempt. He looked like he just crawled out of a spider hole in Iraq at his arraignment.
Smitty
on December 28, 2005 at 12:28 pm
In a recent interview LaRoche said he wanted another month to rest and he wanted to shoot a big deer. Didn’t he take July and part of August off this past season?
Maybe Andy could give Adam some hitting ability, or at least some batting lessons, for XMas…
jenny
on December 28, 2005 at 1:03 pm
I give the guy credit, when you are a major leaguer, you don’t steal an old ladies purse, you go for the gusto and knock over a jewelry store. How will this hurt his Hall of Fame chances? Who gives a rat’s a$$. What a stud. I just wish he had groomed better prior to the attempt. He looked like he just crawled out of a spider hole in Iraq at his arraignment.
Wow, that was really mean. The guy’s 20-year-old son died last year, and he’s on anti-depressants and heart medication. From what I hear, he’s mentally unstable and was out of his mind when he robbed the jewelry store. Maybe we should try being sympathetic, because I honestly don’t think he knew what he was doing.
David Remy
on December 28, 2005 at 1:09 pm
And you know he’s probably pawned his World Series ring, among other memorabilia from his days as a player. I mean, why would you try to knock off a jewelry store if you weren’t hard up for cash?
Smitty
on December 28, 2005 at 1:12 pm
Maybe he is Jenny. Or maybe he saw that really bad “Fun with Dick and Jane” movie and thought he could pull it off
doubledawg
on December 28, 2005 at 1:21 pm
is their a Reardon filter on?
doubledawg
on December 28, 2005 at 1:24 pm
nevermind, i figured it out.
Im not buying his argument. A colleague had a client who shot his unfaithful wife, while under the influence of heart medicine, anti-depressants, the little blue pills, and a few glasses of wine. no doctor in the land was willing to testify that his cocktail of drugs had any effect on his ability to know his actions were wrong.
The type of anti-depressants that kill sons and lead to knocking off jewelry stores arent prescription.
I just wish this was Strawberry.
joshq
on December 28, 2005 at 1:48 pm
Right, because the billions of people in this country who are on anti-depressants all rob jewelry stores…No doubt he’s fallen on hard times, but you don’t go straight to armed robbery.
Yes, there are certain prescription medications that are not allowed because spammers drive me nuts.
joshq
on December 28, 2005 at 1:53 pm
trade rumor of the day: I just got off the phone with Smitty who was talking to Reardon who was told by the jewelry clerk that the Braves are in talks with the A’s
Braves get: Zito, Nick Swisher
A’s get: Thomson, Langerhans, Lerew or Ramirez
Adam
on December 28, 2005 at 1:56 pm
This may have been posted before but I saw where Scott Thorman will be playing in the WBC for Canada. He joins teammates Reitsma and Orr. Shouldn’t he be in S.T. trying for the backup role at first?
JoeyT
on December 28, 2005 at 2:01 pm
What meds? Cialis? Viagra? Cialis soft tabs (i.e. Super Viagra)? Prozac? Paxil? Zoloft? Xanax? Valium? Propecia?
Censorship! Next thing, you’ll be banning links to incest porn sites!
Smitty
on December 28, 2005 at 2:15 pm
joshg, just remember that my phone call with Reardon was his “one phone call” That rummor may be dead now because he heard it three days ago.
Incest porn is hard to ban because they use normal language to describe unspeakable acts. But I know that some of those drugs are supposed to be on the list. For some reason, the list doesn’t work on Joey.
CJ
on December 28, 2005 at 2:52 pm
Rice in Hall yes, Dawson no. Me not in Grammar Hall of Fame. Spike, I appreciate the nod to Schmidt for the ’82 MVP. He was my favorite player growing up, and I always thought he deserved it over Murph in ’82 (but not ’83).
Another Alex R.
on December 28, 2005 at 6:47 pm
Smitty, we must know different state troopers. I just got pulled over on 285 by a cop who told me that I looked like someone he could trust with the following secret:
ATL gets Andy Marte
BOS gets Coco Crisp
CLE gets Ryan Langerhans
why NOT have an Auburn shine if you have $$ and sq feet to spare? (and, for some depraved reason, like that damn “school”)
why NOT have an Auburn shine if you have $$ and sq feet to spare?
A rudimentary sense of shame about your background?
What’s wrong with an Auburn shrine?
btw, Hudson’s nextdoor neighbor?
Tommy Tuberville.
Psh… I want a macy’s float style auburn tiger for my friggin’ back yard for Tommy to look at DAILY.. and after every Bama loss to my tigers.
Palmeiro still doesnt know why he tested positive – He thinks it was B-12 that Tejada gave him.
Hey Raffy, it could be those shots that your putting in your body. I’m not a doctor, though.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5201028
Well Mac, we ask better questions because we are all some what educated. It seems to me that CHop Talk will hire anyone. Hmmm on second thought, maybe I should send them a resume.
Is it me or does it seem that Jim Rice is getting a ton of publicity for the HOF this year? I never really followed the American League, but isn’t he an all around inferior player compared to Andre Dawson and even Dale Murphy for that matter? He was a good hitter but his numbers aren’t much better (with the exception of OPS) than Dawson’s or Murphy’s and he was a poor fielder who stole very few bases. Murphy and Dawson were gold glovers. Dawson stole over 300 bases and Murphy was a 30-30 man. I understand Murphy flamed out pretty early and is borderline for the HOF, but Dawson stayed around long enough to put up more impressive all around numbers. Why doesn’t he get more press? Why hasn’t he made it already? Rice will probably make it in this year and Dawson and Murphy will probably be left out. Just goes to show you the main stream sports writers are morons.
If I had Hudson money I would create a Tennessee Vols amusment park. I would have the Erik Ainge, “Throw it over the target” toss game. The “Catch the Ball without using your thumbs” game. and the “Instead of tackling, just touch this tackling dummy.”
I have had a bitter Autumn.
I read on a rummor board that the Mets asked Tampa about Lugo and the answer was David Wright. I think they have Lugo confussed with Honus Wagner
Ok I was reading Jenny’s friends at SOsH (slow day at work) and they were talking about sending Arroyo for Langerhans. Then they said Langerhans wasn’t a centerfeilder (they made it sound like he wasn’t that good of a defender.)
I thought those guys were “the best and the brightest”
smitty,
A Squirt Syrup into Phillip Fulmers Mouth to make the balloon explode would be a must have. With the winner getting a Peach Bowl t-shirt.
I think the Braves missed the boat with Nomar. Our first base situation is dire. We have a poor imitation of Klesko with no Brian “the Beaver” Hunter to platoon.
If I’m reading the same thread you were, Smitty, ONE GUY said that he READ that Langerhans wasn’t a “true center fielder.” That’s a bit different than what you were saying, don’t you think? 🙂
And Palmeiro just needs to shut up. Nobody cares any more and he’s just digging himself a deeper hole.
Is it me or does it seem that Jim Rice is getting a ton of publicity for the HOF this year? I never really followed the American League, but isn’t he an all around inferior player compared to Andre Dawson and even Dale Murphy for that matter?
The argument for or against Rice is a little different than that of Dawson/Murphy. Rice has much better rate stats than Dawson or Murphy. He was a better hitter for average and power, and has superior RC/27. He played 16 seasons to Dawsons 21, whic his more an explanation of Dawsons counting stats than a slap at Rice. Murph had a slightly better peak, but Rice was very good for 10 straight seasons. Rice has a better peak than Dawson, and was definitely the best player in the AL in ’78. Dawson was never the best player in his league, Schmidt should have won in ’82, and had a case in ’83 over Murph, albeit it was no great sin for Dale to get it that year. Schmidt played in a much tougher park to hit in, but I’ll grant Dale’s positional adjustment closes any offensive gap for that year.
Thing is, the press rightly or wrongly, hated Rice, and there is some debate over whether he is a Fenway creation. I think there’s a bit of overcorrection going on now, what with the crying over steroids and all. I don’t think Rice will get in though, but it wouldn’t bother me either way – depends if you are a big Hall person or not. To me, Rice just misses the peak, and his career totals as well – but he’s still a better choice than Dawson or Murphy
Although Rice is surely borderline, personally, I’d put him in the HoF before Murphy or Dawson. Rice had more peak years than the other 2, & he certainly was one of the very best offensive players of his era. When Rice was playing, I damn-sure thought I was watching a future HoFer.
Murphy, as we all know, peaked between 1981-87, while Dawson was the classic “compiler” of stats with very few off-the-charts seasons (eg.-lotsa 70-80 RBI seasons).
From what I understand, Rice was extremely difficult with sportswriters & fans. The HoF voting seems to be the writers’ revenge.
If Jim Rice got in the HoF, it wouldn’t be a travesty.
I agree that Rice should be in.
But the Hawk was the best player in the NL in 1987
I think Dale has a case for 1987. His OPS was 100 points higher than Dawson, he had dawson beat in batting average, doubles, steals, and had 44HR to the Hawk’s 49. The only category that sunk murphy was RBI, which has a lot more to do with the team you are on, not necessarily the player. How the hell Murphy finished 11th, I’ll never know.
Murph could have won the 5 MVPs, if he had been on some decent teams. RBI are over rated, but I think a lot of MVP voters look closly at that stat and Murph didn’t have anyone hitting in front of him. But without Murph the Braves would have been in last place anyways, so he really wasn’t the MOST valuable player, but he was one of the tope five players in the league between 82-87.
But the Hawk was the best player in the NL in 1987
Doubledawg makes a nice point, but I’d go with that Clark guy. OPS 1.055/OPS+ 176 is just a mammoth season in the non Bonds/Ruth division.
I think Clark was on Roids
Ex-Brave Jeff Reardon:
I give the guy credit, when you are a major leaguer, you don’t steal an old ladies purse, you go for the gusto and knock over a jewelry store. How will this hurt his Hall of Fame chances? Who gives a rat’s a$$. What a stud. I just wish he had groomed better prior to the attempt. He looked like he just crawled out of a spider hole in Iraq at his arraignment.
In a recent interview LaRoche said he wanted another month to rest and he wanted to shoot a big deer. Didn’t he take July and part of August off this past season?
http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051217&content_id=1283550&vkey=news_atl&fext=.jsp&c_id=atl
Good answer Mac
Maybe Andy could give Adam some hitting ability, or at least some batting lessons, for XMas…
I give the guy credit, when you are a major leaguer, you don’t steal an old ladies purse, you go for the gusto and knock over a jewelry store. How will this hurt his Hall of Fame chances? Who gives a rat’s a$$. What a stud. I just wish he had groomed better prior to the attempt. He looked like he just crawled out of a spider hole in Iraq at his arraignment.
Wow, that was really mean. The guy’s 20-year-old son died last year, and he’s on anti-depressants and heart medication. From what I hear, he’s mentally unstable and was out of his mind when he robbed the jewelry store. Maybe we should try being sympathetic, because I honestly don’t think he knew what he was doing.
And you know he’s probably pawned his World Series ring, among other memorabilia from his days as a player. I mean, why would you try to knock off a jewelry store if you weren’t hard up for cash?
Maybe he is Jenny. Or maybe he saw that really bad “Fun with Dick and Jane” movie and thought he could pull it off
is their a Reardon filter on?
nevermind, i figured it out.
Im not buying his argument. A colleague had a client who shot his unfaithful wife, while under the influence of heart medicine, anti-depressants, the little blue pills, and a few glasses of wine. no doctor in the land was willing to testify that his cocktail of drugs had any effect on his ability to know his actions were wrong.
The type of anti-depressants that kill sons and lead to knocking off jewelry stores arent prescription.
I just wish this was Strawberry.
Right, because the billions of people in this country who are on anti-depressants all rob jewelry stores…No doubt he’s fallen on hard times, but you don’t go straight to armed robbery.
Yes, there are certain prescription medications that are not allowed because spammers drive me nuts.
trade rumor of the day: I just got off the phone with Smitty who was talking to Reardon who was told by the jewelry clerk that the Braves are in talks with the A’s
Braves get: Zito, Nick Swisher
A’s get: Thomson, Langerhans, Lerew or Ramirez
This may have been posted before but I saw where Scott Thorman will be playing in the WBC for Canada. He joins teammates Reitsma and Orr. Shouldn’t he be in S.T. trying for the backup role at first?
What meds? Cialis? Viagra? Cialis soft tabs (i.e. Super Viagra)? Prozac? Paxil? Zoloft? Xanax? Valium? Propecia?
Censorship! Next thing, you’ll be banning links to incest porn sites!
joshg, just remember that my phone call with Reardon was his “one phone call” That rummor may be dead now because he heard it three days ago.
Incest porn is hard to ban because they use normal language to describe unspeakable acts. But I know that some of those drugs are supposed to be on the list. For some reason, the list doesn’t work on Joey.
Rice in Hall yes, Dawson no. Me not in Grammar Hall of Fame. Spike, I appreciate the nod to Schmidt for the ’82 MVP. He was my favorite player growing up, and I always thought he deserved it over Murph in ’82 (but not ’83).
Smitty, we must know different state troopers. I just got pulled over on 285 by a cop who told me that I looked like someone he could trust with the following secret:
ATL gets Andy Marte
BOS gets Coco Crisp
CLE gets Ryan Langerhans
Shhh!
EIGHTEEN THOUSAND square feet?
Crikey!