You guys forget that Ortiz was our best pitcher for about a year and a half. He really struggled at the end of last year, but he was a solid–though stressful to watch–pitcher.
Ortiz was not that good. He had a big W/L record in 2003 because the Braves scored a ton of runs, but was a fairly ordinary pitcher. The Braves’ best pitcher was Smoltz; Ortiz might have been the best starter, or it might have been Maddux, or Hampton. There wasn’t much of a difference overall, though Hampton was much better in the second half. Wright and Thomson were better than Ortiz from the get-go last season, and Byrd was better when he came back.
Andruw’s AB in the first shows exactly Ortiz’s problem. He doesn’t have an out pitch. He never has. He has good stuff but he doesn’t have a pitch he can rely upon to get a strikeout or a ground ball.
diggler
on August 13, 2005 at 1:05 pm
he has another problem besides not having an out pitch. he has zero control and it always seems as he throws 100 pitches by the 5th inning.
Stu
on August 13, 2005 at 1:05 pm
I didn’t say Ortiz had an out pitch. I said he was a solid pitcher, which he was. Also, you can have Hampton’s second halves if you want, but I’ll take Ortiz’s consistency over the first 1.5 years he was here. He was also a big game pitcher–and our stopper–over that time.
jenny
on August 13, 2005 at 1:06 pm
How long has it been since Francoeur last grounded out? Or hit a ground ball? It seems like he’s been shooting a lot of balls straight up in the air.
man im julio no.1 fan but i think its reeally suspicious hes not on some kind of drug. to be playing at the level hes playing at his age is unheard of.
Someone tell JC that now Fox is ripping off his research on Leo.
fjensen
on August 13, 2005 at 1:59 pm
Rookie braves affiliate Danville has 2 players who are tearing up the league. Cuevos (21) is 6-0 with a 1.50 era and has hits, k’s and walks similar to Chuck James. Ramirez (20) catcher,dh, is batting .382 with 8 hrs in 186 abs with 22 walks and 29 strikeouts. Neither were in the 05 draft. Brandon Jones (of) was drafted out of high school and has moved up to M.B. He was compensation for Jared Wright.
Me, to TV: Chipper, this would be a good time for a double in the gap.
Chipper: [Hits double into the gap.]
Me: Thank you.
ermoore
on August 13, 2005 at 2:50 pm
Not surprisingly, I did like that. I like it a lot.
J Leeds (oi!)
on August 13, 2005 at 2:51 pm
I like to see Andruw laying off that low and outside pitch. Even if he did fly out to left on the next one.
Jason
on August 13, 2005 at 2:58 pm
KOLBBBB!!!!! NOOOOOO!!!!
Piers
on August 13, 2005 at 2:59 pm
And of course he walks the leadoff guy.
Jason
on August 13, 2005 at 3:02 pm
You see the walks don’t really matter…because he’s a ground ball pitcher…he walks them just to double them up…ya….that’s it….
Piers
on August 13, 2005 at 3:02 pm
Wow… no runs allowed…
mln
on August 13, 2005 at 3:05 pm
I can’t stand those announcers on Fox. They seem to hate the Braves and love to criticize Bobby. It makes me mad. Have either of those guys been successful managers?
Is it just me or does it feel like we have been playing the D-backs for lie 6 weeks?
why does fox think people want to see cubs-cards game? I live in georgia and this mofos are talking about switching over to that cubs-cards broadcast.
got a good feeling about today’s game
Superboy strikes again.
Why do people run on Francoeur?
I never liked Russ Ortiz.
man that guy hustles.
I don’t know if I didn’t like Ortiz, I certainly didn’t feel confident when he was pitching. A lot like Jorge Sosa now-a-days.
Where’s Marcus, anyway?
And LaRoche is finally benched.
does anyone else think that russ ortiz and laroche have a lot in common? they both seem a little spacey.
If LaRoche grounds into another double play here, everyone is officially allowed to insult him for the rest of the season.
Oh, thank God, Julio’s in the lineup instead.
You guys forget that Ortiz was our best pitcher for about a year and a half. He really struggled at the end of last year, but he was a solid–though stressful to watch–pitcher.
I haven’t heard this mentioned, but Davies got the axe.
Thomson’s looking solid.
Ortiz was not that good. He had a big W/L record in 2003 because the Braves scored a ton of runs, but was a fairly ordinary pitcher. The Braves’ best pitcher was Smoltz; Ortiz might have been the best starter, or it might have been Maddux, or Hampton. There wasn’t much of a difference overall, though Hampton was much better in the second half. Wright and Thomson were better than Ortiz from the get-go last season, and Byrd was better when he came back.
Andruw’s AB in the first shows exactly Ortiz’s problem. He doesn’t have an out pitch. He never has. He has good stuff but he doesn’t have a pitch he can rely upon to get a strikeout or a ground ball.
he has another problem besides not having an out pitch. he has zero control and it always seems as he throws 100 pitches by the 5th inning.
I didn’t say Ortiz had an out pitch. I said he was a solid pitcher, which he was. Also, you can have Hampton’s second halves if you want, but I’ll take Ortiz’s consistency over the first 1.5 years he was here. He was also a big game pitcher–and our stopper–over that time.
How long has it been since Francoeur last grounded out? Or hit a ground ball? It seems like he’s been shooting a lot of balls straight up in the air.
Oh, no, it’s still raining in Chicago!
Why, are you supposed to get that game? According to Comcast, I’m supposed to get this one. Haha!
😉
This situation is bad news. Come on, John.
Wow, that was really lucky.
Julio!
JULIO!
Thank you, Bobby, for benching LaRoche!
Every day? Maybe not. But more often, at least.
wow, julio killed that ball
man im julio no.1 fan but i think its reeally suspicious hes not on some kind of drug. to be playing at the level hes playing at his age is unheard of.
The only juice Julio is on is God’s Juice.
yeah i hope so.
Someone tell JC that now Fox is ripping off his research on Leo.
Rookie braves affiliate Danville has 2 players who are tearing up the league. Cuevos (21) is 6-0 with a 1.50 era and has hits, k’s and walks similar to Chuck James. Ramirez (20) catcher,dh, is batting .382 with 8 hrs in 186 abs with 22 walks and 29 strikeouts. Neither were in the 05 draft. Brandon Jones (of) was drafted out of high school and has moved up to M.B. He was compensation for Jared Wright.
Oh. I don’t like that. Not at all.
Me, to TV: Chipper, this would be a good time for a double in the gap.
Chipper: [Hits double into the gap.]
Me: Thank you.
Not surprisingly, I did like that. I like it a lot.
I like to see Andruw laying off that low and outside pitch. Even if he did fly out to left on the next one.
KOLBBBB!!!!! NOOOOOO!!!!
And of course he walks the leadoff guy.
You see the walks don’t really matter…because he’s a ground ball pitcher…he walks them just to double them up…ya….that’s it….
Wow… no runs allowed…
I can’t stand those announcers on Fox. They seem to hate the Braves and love to criticize Bobby. It makes me mad. Have either of those guys been successful managers?
I KNOWW HAT IM DOEING WHY CANT U SE THAT?!??
Nice game. One of our better games of the year. Everyone seemed to contribute.