The Royals scored a run in the bottom of the 10th to defeat the Braves 1-0. As JonathanF and others have observed, even in a season as dispiriting and frustrating as this one, there are always moments worth watching. I had to squint pretty hard to find it this afternoon, but then I realized we just saw the prototypical 2025 game, the Platonic ideal of a 2025 frustrating loss. That’s worth something, right?
No, it was not. There was nothing intriguing about the way they lost today, unless you enjoy offensive futility. What was worth watching was the performance of starting pitcher Joey Wentz. Joey went 6 and two thirds, shutting them out on one hit, with three walks and seven K’s.
But that start was wasted, as the Braves failed to score in ten innings, against nine (!) Royals pitchers. In the 10th, after an Albies single, our guys had runners on first and third with no outs. So in quintessential 2025 style, the next two batters struck out and Luke Williams lined out. In the bottom of the tenth, the Royals score their own Manfred Man with dispatch, on an rbi single by Salvador Perez on the second pitch of the inning.
Fables of the Reconstruction, Reconstruction of the Fables
To rebuild or not to rebuild? Given the disaster that is the 2025 Braves season, we all agree things need to change. How much change is needed? A total reconstruction, complete tear down and subsequent rebuild? That would include trading many of the players currently under contract for next year and beyond. Or should the Braves hang on to all or most of those players under contract, hoping for better health and better results next year?
I’m not saying it’s reasonable to expect better health and better results from these guys. But I can say there is tremendous risk to getting rid of most of your existing talent and starting over.
Somebody recently said this current team is as bad as the terrible teams of the late 70’s and late 80’s. It’s true the final win-loss record this year is going to be ugly. Given the state of the pitching staff and now Ronald’s injury, we’re almost certainly looking at 90 plus losses.
But I lived through those earlier eras, and let me tell you, there is a lot more talent on this roster than on any of those teams. Don’t forget, most of the prognosticators before this season projected the Braves to have the second-best record in baseball behind the Dodgers. There is still talent to build from, albeit there are many more questions about the sustainability of that talent. The dramatic declines of Ozzie and Harris, the mediocrity of Riley, and the fragility of the pitchers leave many questions. And as several of you have noted, there is very little organizational depth in the minor leagues, thanks to international signing restrictions and poor drafting.
But we are not, thankfully, in nearly as bad a place as those earlier eras. The rosters in the mid to late 70’s and mid to late 80’s were putrid. And the Win/Loss records demonstrate that. Here are the losses by season from 1985-1990: 96, 89, 92, 106, 97, 97. And from 1975-1979: 94, 92, 101, 93, 94. (By way of comparison, here are the losses in the last rebuild, 2015-2017: 95, 93, 90.)
Remember in that last rebuild, the Braves focused on acquiring as many young pitchers as they could. They apparently believed that although TISNSTAAPP, stockpiling several dozen pitching prospects ought to yield a few quality big leaguers.
How did that work out? Who is left from all of the pitchers acquired in the great teardown/rebuild of 2015-2017?
Max Fried, acquired by trade as low minor leaguer in late 2014, turned out to be an unqualified success, but ultimately left for greener pastures. AJ Minter, drafted in 2015, became one of the best relievers in the game over the last 6-7 years before his injury last year. Mike Soroka, first round pick in 2015, was an outstanding rookie in 2019, but we all know of his tragic injury history. Ian Anderson, first round pick in 2016, had his moments on the big stage, including a couple of Octobers, before injuries derailed his career. Kyle Wright, first round pick in 2017, had a twenty win season before his shoulder gave out. Kolby Allard, 2015 1st rounder, and Kyle Muller and Bryse Wilson, 2016 draftees, all made it to the show but never established themselves.
None of these guys are with the team now. Who is? Joey Wentz, first round pick from 2016. The Braves traded him at the deadline exactly six years ago, and in the years since he has never proven he can be a capable big league starter. Until now, that is. Wentz has been a revelation since the Braves re-acquired him earlier this month.
Watching his effort today was fun. I look forward over the next couple of months to see if he is someone the Braves can count on beyond this year.
By the way, one other good thing happened today: RAJ’s injury is not to his Achilles tendon; he instead has a mild sprain of his calf muscle.
Like we said, sometimes you have to look pretty hard for things to feel good about.
Tomorrow is the trade deadline. Even if the Braves decide to do something dramatic to shake things up before next season, it appears they will wait for the offseason. Ozuna and Iglesias almost certainly won’t be Braves when the team plays tomorrow in Cincy, and probably Johnson and Bummer, but don’t look for many other departures.
For what it’s worth, I’m not ready to give up on the core of this team and their possibilities for contending over the next few years. But,
We’ve been on this shift too long
And the train conductor says
Take a break, Driver 8
Driver 8, take a break
We can reach our destination
But we’re still a ways away, but it’s still a ways away

I agree completely, tfloyd.
“Pitching is currency” was such a meathead-thinks-he’s-the-analyst-in-the-room take. Like you can speak a shrewd exploitation of market inefficiencies into existence, damn the actual statistics. It works cuz we say it does. Meanwhile the Red Sox have drafted their way back into relevance by hitting on position talent in the first round every year.
As for Joey Wentz, we shouldn’t be surprised by his success. He is 27 and he wasn’t bad last year, more or less like Griffin Canning. Acquiring pitchers who are below average but above replacement level and coming into typical prime years is the real market inefficiency. They will tend to be better than they were and good enough to eat innings, and most importantly really stinkin cheap. The chances someone you draft turns into someone as effective as Joey Wentz is sadly quite low, so use your mid and low round picks on that type of long shot and scoop up the guys other teams gave up on because they weren’t good yet at 24.
I would’ve loved to have a career in baseball scouting and analytics and it grinds my gears to see guys in my dream job who seem clueless about the barest facts of drafting that have been known to any SABR literate people since the 1990s.
And another thing: the Braves are known to overdraft a few guys by even hundreds of slots each year. The people that do that believe they are much smarter than the consensus. And hey, I’m open to the possibility, except the actual results do not suggest that.
Boston has indeed had an exceptionally good hit rate on position players, but then they had a glut of outfield/first base types that they have or are currently trying to trade for…. pitching. So it goes both ways. If Casas actually hit this year, they’d have had a real pickle on their hands with Bregman, Devers, Anthony, Casas, Duran, Abreu, Mayer, and Gonzalez for 5 spots. And they only have 2 really good SPs, and they’re trying to trade for Cease. They would have an easier time trying to trade pitching for a position player than the other way around, hence “universal currency”. I’m not sure if Boston is the best example.
The reality is that you need both: good hitting drafting/developing and good pitching drafting/developing.
That’s easy to say but Boston successfully traded for an ace pitcher, the best/youngest to come available in some time. When did we turn all this currency into a star player? Every time we traded for a bigtime player (Sale, Murphy, Olson), the centerpiece of the deal was a top position player/prospect. That’s what teams want. They don’t want a bunch of unknown arms with high injury and bust potential.
But that’s a separate issue. The Braves just won’t sell their pitching. They’ve let countless prospects’ values implode. At the beginning of this year, the Braves’ insistence on having 8 of their 10 prospects be pitchers while, in theory, they began the season with a full rotation (really, 8 candidates) was pretty stupid on their part, but it doesn’t make the strategy stupid.
Put it this way: right now, Atlanta could easily trade 3-4 pitching prospects for an established up-the-middle player. Will they do it? That’s irrelevant, but plenty of teams would love 3-4 good pitching prospects, but they may not want a first baseman or a catcher or an outfielder. But I think we’re both right that value is value. If you have value, it doesn’t matter what position it is. But if you’ve got a catcher and they don’t need a catcher, then that’s not universal currency.
Draft hitting, buy pitching.
https://x.com/JeffPassan/status/1950696919929586018
Mets’ 8th and 14th-ranked prospects, per MLB, plus a live arm.
Helsey is making $8.2M and is a free agent this year.
When the world is a monster
Bad to swallow you whole
Kick the clay that holds the teeth in
Throw your trolls out the door
Well, Rafael Montero’s gone.
https://www.mlb.com/tigers/news/rafael-montero-traded-to-tigers-from-braves
https://x.com/emilycwaldon/status/1950746312703455309?s=46&t=WSNPrB2JyUoeKSn2PZsXZg
Jarvis instantly becomes the best shortstop in our organization (lmfao)
https://x.com/dobrienatl/status/1950646843811278898?s=42
If he pitches like this through the end of the year, you’d have to have him penciled into the rotation.
Oh for sure, and I am behind it 100%. We sure could use an out-of-the-blue win. And we need to spend any money on bullpen and a middle infielder in free agency to have a chance next season. If we don’t have to spend on a starting pitcher, that will go a long way. He’s not going to continue to pitch like this, but a 5th starter with a 4.5 ERA who can get you 5-6 innings is just fine.
Chris Sale would have fetched a huge prospect haul in this market. It’s really insane to me we’re not moving him.
It’s not looking like he is a sure thing to return at all this season. You’re probably looking at September 1 in a best case, and with his history, who wants to gamble he’ll be in top form for the playoffs
In theory, a team would be getting Chris Sale for two postseasons. Cleveland got a real prospect for Shane Bieber, who is still rehabbing from Tommy John, so I don’t think teams are going to be scared off by a rib injury.
The Braves aren’t one “ace” away anymore and his return would fill a lot the talent gap throughout the org.
I cannot stress this enough: he likely won’t stay healthy for all of 2026 and it’s really questionable the Braves are even a playoff team by then.
The team did everything they could to keep him healthy in 2024 and he fell apart as soon as he pitched on regular rest. He’s 37 next season.
It’s malpractice to keep him.
Sale is useless for a playoff team this year. If you were to trade him, you’d trade him in the offseason. But the Braves absolutely plan to contend next year, so there’s no way they’d trade Sale, nor should they.
This offseason, I think the Braves will figure out the up-the-middle positions, trade Murphy in the offseason, make a massive signing in the offseason with Ozuna/Iglesias/(hopefully) Bummer savings, fill out the bullpen with cheap winners of auditions this fall, and run back a really good roster. It’ll help not starting the year without Acuna, losing Profar to PEDs, starting the year with Strider, etc. The Braves aren’t going to tank.
If the Braves keep Sale, which I am not opposed too, they do have to make a splash in Free Agency, a run at Kyle Tucker and or Bo bichette is a must and then bullpen work as well.
I also wouldn’t trade Murphy now, 2 good catchers is a huge asset.
Kyle Tucker is going to cost half a billion but I do think Bichette is reasonable. Bichette has Ozziesque bat speed but he’s a much better hitter and can play a passable short.
What a tired, old, boring organization we have become. I cannot fathom that no one would have wanted Pierce Johnson or Dylan Lee. I can see Iglesias not drawing much interest, but man, do something. If they pick up Albies’ option that will truly show me that they just want the Braves Country wooo hoooo wives to be happy.
Tucker will cost, but moves need to be made, if the trot this garbage out again the fanbase will lose a lot of interest. This is a boring flat franchise.
Besides Acuna, there isnt a guy who excites, Baldwin is promising.
I think I am just frustrated like us all, we shouldnt be in this crappy a position.
I agree with the Bichette play. Getting a SS that can hit would really strengthen this lineup. Harris should always hit 9th and Acuna 1st. I do not think Ozzie is “done” but he could be a good 8th hitter. Letting Ozuna/Iglesias/Bummer go and getting younger in the bullpen (our good pitching prospects can start there like they used to) would totally turn this team around.
I agree that the 70s and 80s teams had less talent. I think we finally lost something synergistic when Dansby left. That is the main difference with this team the last two years.
If we expect Ozzie to hit 8th and be only that good and Harris to hit 9th then our outlook could be a lot better. The following lineup would not be so bad:
Acuna
Profar
Bichette
Olson
Riley
Baldwin
Murphy
Albies
Harris
With our best starters back (Lopez could even be a closer – Smoltz was), we will be great again. If we don’t get Bichette or someone comparable then it will all go to hell again. I think the Braves are playing the long game with some of the pitching prospects but they need to be in the majors in the bullpen to see what they can do.
It was unconscionable that the Braves did not score the Manfred Man last night. After 1st and 3rd with no one out, we didn’t even need a hit to score.
Your phone autocorrected predictable to unconscionable
Either would apply
I don’t think anyone wants Ozuna or Iglesias. Even Montero has been dealt before those two. A roster slot may be more valuable then either of those two.
If AA can’t even move Iglesias at this deadline then I will really start to question him. If they can’t move Ozuna, that’s defendable since he has 10/5 rights, but not moving Iglesias is not defendable.
I’m absolutely stunned. You have to move Iglesias, even if it’s just moving salary and getting no prospects in return. Is their plan to win as many games as possible and screw themselves out of a top three pick? Who is in charge here?
It is shocking, I agree. There is a rationale for keeping sale and Johnson but not iglesias. I have to figure nobody came calling which isn’t that hard to imagine.
Fire AA.
Great trade, who’d we get category here: https://www.freep.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2025/07/31/detroit-tigers-trade-grade-rafael-montero-stats-atlanta-braves/85451226007/
My only question is why in the world did we acquire this guy? If you didn’t want to spend money there were cheaper options who were every bit as bad. If you did want to spend, why not sign someone decent before the season?
Holy cow! How many of those bottom feeding relievers are on the Braves now???? Kinley, Wentz, Brebbia. Ruiz was here. Montero was here. Seems like we went for the worst relievers we could. What’s worse is we got something for Montero and nothing for Iglesias.
Honestly, I’m pretty pissed off. A couple years ago, you couldn’t even question AA’s genius. What exactly has this man done since 2021 when he won a World Series with a roster of mostly guys that Coppy drafted, Coppy traded for, or AA traded for players with Coppy’s prospects? Sure, some of the guys were signed as FAs as part of the inevitable yearly roster churn that every team experiences, but the majority of that core were Coppy’s players or players traded for with Coppy’s players.
But since then, he’s saddled us with bad contracts (Kelenic/Fletcher, Profar, Bummer, Strider’s $20M next year, Harris). We’ve progressively gotten worse. We have one of the worst farm systems in baseball, AND WE COULD HAVE AT LEAST MADE SOME PROGRESS ON THAT ONE TODAY.
Seriously, what does he do well? Find diamonds in the rough? Our bullpen is an expensive dumpster fire. Draft well? Yeah, right. Knows when to sell high on prospects? We’ve wasted all sorts of pitchers who left with no value.
I just don’t see how you end this huge seller’s market with Iglesias, Ozuna, Bummer, and Johnson on your roster. He has A LOT of explaining to do, and he’s got an entire fanbase pissed off at him.
I would be pissed too except I had accepted this about him last year and expected to be mediocre this year. What I didn’t realize was that my outlook was far too sanguine.
I watch 2 games per week max and usually don’t make it til the end because we’re tough to watch. I’m still holding out hope that we can make some moves and contend next year but I’m mostly expecting more poorly managed decline.
AA did next to nothing this offseason other than signing Profar (who is not panning out). Did not replace players leaving except with fringe retreads.
And now he did nothing at the trade deadline, unless you count trading a fringe reliever for organizational depth and acquiring some more fringe players just so we could fill out the roster to finish out the season.
He has not made a beneficial trade since the Sale trade after the 2022 season.
What the freak are we doing here?
It’s a listless franchise whose best days in this decade are definitively in the rearview mirror.
I’m more inclined to believe this than to think AA suddenly forgot how to do his job.
https://x.com/JustinCToscano/status/1951049798666080270
It’s a nice thought. (Technically Liberty no longer owns the Braves, though, right? I imagine that for all intents and purposes, though, little has changed except on their books.)
Certainly, I have suspected that meddling caused the strategic swerve we saw over the past off-season. But it’s still just hard to square the idea that the suits would keep AA from trading a middle reliever – or even from trading an expensive closer who’s been terrible all year.
The team has been winning at a .300 clip for a month and the front office has responded by getting Erick Fedde. Certainly, in his early years, AA operated like a tinkerer, constantly tweaking around the edges. Now, he’s constantly finding himself one step behind; the value he has in his mind is too often misaligned with the market.
Whatever the reason, he’s not getting it done.
So the plan is to stand pat and roll with a 90+ loss roster. Every single one of us could do that for a small fraction of Braves’ front office salaries. This org is so fucked. They will be praying for a lockout in 2027 so they have another excuse/distraction.
I watched the Anthopoulos interview clip played on the broadcast. He tried to make clear, without saying it directly (because he never says anything directly), that Marcell exercised his 10/5 rights and turned down whatever deal AA had made. And that that nobody wanted Iglesias, based on his poor performance this season. Some teams may have taken Iglesias, but they weren’t willing to offer anyone of any value. AA: “We don’t just give players away.”
We weren’t going get any value in any trade. Nobody wants our bad players. It’s more about making room for young players and using the last couple of months of the season to evaluate new guys in-person. Every game that Ozuna plays is potentially stealing ABs from Baldwin. If Baldwin wins ROY we get another draft pick (I think?). Ozuna can stay on the team for all I care, just don’t play him. Our farm system sucks but we do have a few pitchers – let’s see them. If they get shelled so what.
Agreed. No reason to play Ozuna. We can cut him for all I care
REITsma room.
By the way, is Reitsma available?
Fire everyone.
I said that last night’s loss was the quintessential 2025 Braves game. We now have a new claimant for that distinction.
Yeah, these kinds of games used to hurt…
EDIT: And it somehow turns out to be a tough loss for the Reds — weird…
So, uh, what the hell happened?
I said in last night’s recap that “Ozuna and Iglesias almost certainly won’t be Braves when the team plays tomorrow in Cincy.” So of course Ozuna gets the GWRBI and Iglesias the Save. If it weren’t for their heroics tonight, the Braves might be 45-63 rather than 46-62
Baseball, recapped