Back in the late 80’s when I was a kid, baseball cards were everything, and common cards might as well have been firestarters. Nowadays, collectors can make a slight profit off of common cards from the 70’s, 80’s, and 90’s by selling them in bulk.My father, who has an extensive collection of cards from the 80’s and 90’s, has been packing his common cards from that era and selling them in groups of 100 for about $20. Granted, that’s not a great deal of $, but selling 1,000 would bring in $200. Honestly, being still a bit invested in cards, I would have never believed this to be possible.
While Alex Anthopoulos isn’t playing with cards, he’s seemingly using an approach that felt hard to pinpoint for me…until the above analogy presented itself. Thus far in trades, AA has sent the following players to other teams:
- Riley Gowens
- Nicky Lopez
- Jackson Kowar
- Kyle Wright
- Nick Anderson
- Braden Shewmake
- Jared Shuster
- Michael Soroka
- Max Stassi
- Evan White
- Cole Phillips
- Marco Gonzales
- Tyler Thomas
If I were to take the above 13, put each face on cardboard, all but Kyle Wright would be a common card. Common cards don’t have a lot of value when isolated, but grouped together, they can land Jarred Kelenic and David Fletcher, two players that have a common card feel, but have potential to retroactively provide value to their cards of the past.
These trades not only netted Kelenic and Fletcher, but also netted 2 PTBNLs. While PTBNLs are mostly of the common card variety and are bottom of the barrel prospects (or almost prospects), the 2 deals that landed PTBNLs, the Braves sent a whole lot of cash…and no matter where you are in the world, cash has value.
In the Marco Gonzales trade to the Pirate, the Braves sent $9.25MM. In the Max Stassi trade, it’s been reported that the Braves are paying for most his $7MM contract. In both of these deals, the Braves received a PTBNL.
My question: Why would the Braves send so much money in both of these transactions? What is AA playing at?
I Have a Theory
Neither deal needed so much money attached. Some say it’s the cost of doing business. Bologna, I say. Marco Gonzales would have gotten a 1/$5-6MM deal on the open market. Max Stassi would’ve definitely went for more than $1-2MM. However, I think AA played his cards right, asking for a PTBNL…but not your normal PTBNL. I’m sure you all are aware of how PTBNLs work, but here’s a breakdown nonetheless.
The club sending the PTBNL away will provide the acquiring club with a list of players from which to select the PTBNL. In such cases, an agreed-upon deadline — by which the acquiring club must select the PTBNL — will often be set.
My theory is that Alex Anthopoulos has utilized these 2 deals to negotiate a list of PTBNLs that are better than the normal bottom of the barrel group to allow a future trade partner to pick a player from each of the Pirates and the White Sox. While these lists likely won’t be top prospects, they could very well be prospects in the 10-20 range and that definitely has value in trade.
Or… I could be 100% wrong and typed this all for nothing.
There’s been very little that has made sense in regards to some of these moves, but this feels like the one thing that computes.

I’ll see your 80s/90s and raise you my 70s…..
I’d like to think the PTBNLs and the Stassi trade are precursors to a Cease trade when White Sox are ready. My suggestion has been to use Elder and AJSS, but then I see FG Roster Resource is running out Soroka and Touissant as part of the White Sox rotation. If you add Elder and AJSS to that, you end up with a second rate Braves rotation. Might not be what the Sox want. I don’t think the Braves will trade Grissom.
I also think the Rays (Glasnow) and the Brewers (Burnes) are still in contention.
Article on ESPN discusses then predicts where all the biggest FA/trades will end up. Braves aren’t even mentioned as in the running in any of these. Not that AA can’t jump in, but just a little depressing we aren’t seen as a team still building the roster with anything notable.
The Dodgers are on some wildly super-villainous shit this offseason.
On the plus side, if they don’t win at least three titles in the next ten years, that $680 million owed to Ohtani is gonna be really lovely.
But with the deferrals, the present value is more like 48 million, which is not so plainly insane.
I doubt it, but I hope we are in on Yamamoto. Isoroku was pretty good, so maybe this guy can be.
Somebody is going to back up a Brinks truck for Yamamoto and it ain’t gonna be Alex Anthopoulus.
I really wish we had taken advantage of the Dodgers being slightly down the last two years.
I agree for 2023, but the 2022 Dodgers were, by some measures, the best regular season team since WW2. The reason we did not take advantage is that AA wanted to spend our starting pitching dollars on the bargain bin. That decision, which he made repeatedly could cost this team being a repeat champion and ever being considered a dynasty. He’s about to make the same decision again.
He is concerned with the bullpen… as a Braves fan my entire life I had a really bad feeling about the Philadelphia series because of the bullpen and specifically how dominant they’re bullpen was. Everybody coming out of the pen was throwing a hundred miles an hour. It puts more pressure on the starters and the entire team or in the Phillies case knowing the game is essentially over by the 7th inning except in rare occasions it helps the manager to strategize about the starting pitcher, gives the lineup confidence if they are down a couple runs later in the game Etc and our Bullpen couldn’t compare with theirs. Secondly, I think that he’s tired of the starting pitchers who have a lot of potential but basically are holding the team back from realizing their full potential. Waiting to see if they will heal and return to form is costing the Braves an opportunity to win now… by cutting the losses and moving on I think he’s basically saying we’re not going to go into the playoffs and the end of the season counting on pictures to get healthy when they’ve been injured the entire season. It’s a false hope and ultimately it probably stopped him from making a big deadline move for starting pitcher. Lastly, I think that he’s making room for the addition of a front line started picture via trade or free agency over the next year or two. I really hope that he goes after Corbin Burns I know he’s not going to resign with the Brewers… he would be a perfect fit and has the resume and body type to where I think longevity won’t be an issue. with Kyle Wright and siroko these are skinny dudes who don’t have a lot of muscle, lower body mass or extra weight weight in general… throwing the baseball for them the stress and impact or entirely on the elbow and shoulder and nothing can defer that stress… elbow injuries you can come back from but shoulder injuries are very sketchy. Look at strider… his body and mechanics would do an excellent job of taking all of the stress off his arm and burns is similar in the way he throws in his build
The only joy I take from this is that it’s comeuppance for people whose political preferences prevent them from seeing that baseball needs a meaningful salary cap. Otherwise, this is what you get: a sport where the real spectacle happens in the offseason. People want to put ideology over their interests as fans of a competitive game? Fine, have it your way.
And so, now… Hope that the Dodgers are as incompetent at spending as the Mets were last offseason? Hope that the Braves (or Phillies? lol) are good enough to overcome the disadvantage the old-fashioned way? Or my favorite: Rest assured that the playoffs as currently constructed will still be a crapshoot for the Dodgers–and the Braves, as well as every other team?
Or maybe decide that all major stakeholders have rendered the entire enterprise not worthy of your time?
Politics? I don’t know your politics and don’t want to, but I would guess you are pretty emotionally-invested in an ideology of your own just because you injected it into a baseball conversation. The real spectacle is the offseason? We just saw the Diamondbacks play in the world series. As much as I hate the Dodgers and Yankees and wanted a cap put on them, I never thought of that as political, and in hindsight, neither of them developed into the dynasty that all that spending was intended for and that I feared. The Dodgers have won one WS in a shortened, fluky season, and the Yankees have won 1 in 20 years despite having spent the most.
I would guess you are pretty emotionally-invested in an ideology of your own
You’re both right and wrong about this.
You’re right, in that I have an ideology–insofar as needing a level playing field to feel emotionally invested in a game qualifies as an ideology.
You’re wrong, in that I see both labor and management at fault for bringing us to this point. It’s the fans’ interests that aren’t represented.
We just saw the Diamondbacks play in the world series, etc, etc.
I don’t know about you, but I’m not super enthused about a playoff system that routinely lets mediocre teams fluke their way into the WS as the main bulwark against the other big systemic flaw at play, where teams’ relative level of spending has too much influence over their competitiveness.
I mean, I’d think there wouldn’t be much interest in a game where you gave a few participants even a small advantage all the way until the end, where in the final round, suddenly the outcomes are random. But here we are.
It’d be one thing if every big spending team was like the Mets. But since we’re talking about the Dodgers here…
Guys, it’s not my rule but Mac’s: Politics has always been a hard no for Braves Journal. Please refrain from talking it here.
Where was the No Politics Rule enforcement two weeks ago, during the Braves Journal semi-regular offseason owners hate?
This may be a bit above your paygrade, but: labor and management decisions influence outcomes on the baseball field, so MLB is inherently, unavoidably political. Ultimately, it’s your website, so, you know, feel free to punish “salary cap good” speech and ignore “owners bad” speech if you want, as if one is political and the other isn’t.
But unless you restrict conversation to what literally happens on the field, the best you or Mac or whoever could hope for has always been for people to talk about potentially inflammatory topics like adults.
I’ve got a lot on my plate and I can’t see everything. I saw this and not trying to pick a fight rather just reminding the group why we’re here and that is to talk baseball.
Fair. I’ll try to be civil or find something else to do today. I think it’s out of my system.
I agree politics inform people’s opinions on those things, and it is a difficult line to walk. Bringing up people’s political ideologies rather than arguing things like salary cap on the competitive balance merits is a reasonable place to draw the line. It got really bad on the Falcons forum in 2020 so I stopped even reading it. That’s the reason for the no-politics rule here–it drives people away when they should be united in Braves fandom. Though you could argue lots of people commit soft violations all the time, and I would agree.
For anyone that would like a full breakdown of all the trades AA has made recently, this is from Boggy, whose payroll sheet is in our tabs in the header.
I love you guys, mostly b/c it makes me remember I’m not the only nerd who wants to know this crap. Adulting has gotten in the way of me getting my Spreadsheet up-to-date, but I’m getting there and some down time at the office in the next week should help.
Here’s what I know so far:
Brent is right – the $4.5M from SEA in the original Kelenic trade stays with ATL to offset White’s salary (this is a function of a rule about cash considerations in the CBT, as Brent noted above). ATL sent $9.25M to PIT and gave MG a $250k assignment bonus. So MG’s 2024 Cash & CBT payroll hit for ATL is $9.5M.
Braves also add $17M guaranteed for White ($7M 2024, $8M 2025, $2M buyout 2026); AAV = $8.5M. The $4.5M from SEA gets pro-rated over 2024 & 2025, so it’s $8.5M – $2.25M for a true CBT hit of $6.25M
(Bear with me as I keep typing this long response)
In the LAA trade:
add Fletcher:
$14M guaranteed ($6M 2024, $6.5M 2025, $1.5M buyout 2026); 2024 AAV = $7M
add Stassi:
$7.5M guaranteed ($7M 2024, $0.5M buyout 2025); 2024 AAV = $7.5M
subtract White:
$17M guaranteed ($7M 2024, $8M 2025, $2M buyout 2026); 2024 AAV = $8.5M
It was a straight 2 for 2 swap, no cash involved (minor leaguer $ doesn’t matter).
So Braves add $13M cash to 2024, $7M cash to 2025, and $1.5M cash to 2026. They subtract $7M cash for 2024, $8M cash for 2025, and $2M cash for 2026. So net cash after this trade is:
$6M 2024
($1M) 2025 savings
($0.5M) 2026 savings
For CBT: they add $14.5M in AAV for 2024 ($7M Fletcher, $7.5M Stassi) and subtract $8.5M AAV (White) for a net CBT hit of:
+$6M in 2024
-$1.5M in 2025
Now for the next trade:
Then they sent Stassi + cash to CWS. The cash was $6.26M (CWS pays him lg min). That comes to a cash and CBT hit for Stassi of $6.26M.
Summary (ignoring Kelenic salary):
2024 Cash: $21.76M
$9.5M Gonzales (cash considerations, dead $)
$6M Fletcher (salary)
$6.26M Stassi (cash considerations, dead $)
2024 CBT: $22.76M
$9.5M Gonzales
$7M Fletcher
$6.26M Stassi
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE $4.5M FROM SEA?!?!?!
It’s poof gone.
That’s right. It’s gone. For CBT purposes anyway, and this thread from my dude Ethan explains why. ATL still sees it on cash payroll but not CBT payroll. I plan to leave it a “cash from others” line on my cash payroll calculation, but CBT ignores it. This is supported by Roster Resource. x.com/EthanHullihen/…
New thread.