Still boring game thread: May 28, Pirates at Braves
Oh, look, it’s the Pirates again. Yawn.
114 thoughts on “Still boring game thread: May 28, Pirates at Braves”
– I was wondering if you could sing the entire score of the H.M.S. Pinafore. – Very well, Bart. I shall send you to Heaven before I send you to Hell!
From the last thread re: draft picks (#37),
I wouldn’t say those guys are potential Braves picks (I have no idea), just who I would be looking into.
I imagine they’ll take a prep guy, Covey and Wilson are the only prep guys I listed and I think they’re the two most likely to be gone at 35.
Actually, there’s a pretty good chance all 6 are gone at 35. Probably more than 40 percent.
Good god the comments on that Schultz article were vile even by the knuckle dragging standards of AJC posters.
@1 – I find the Poor Little Buttercup sequence particularly funny.
2013 rotation candidates: tommy hanson jair jurrjens kris medlen julio teheran randall delgado tim hudson arodys viscaino mike minor
i know we don’t have a lot of offensive depth in the minors, but with this crew set to be ready by 2013, that’s some exciting shtuff. if mccann can still catch, he’d be behind the plate, freeman at first, prado at second, escobar at short, salcedo at 3rd, heyward in right, and schafer in center. put a power hitting right-handed hitter in left…holy carpel tunnel syndrome…it sure is fun to have a good minor league system, no matter if it’s one dimensional. 2013 lineup: prado salcedo heyward RYAN BRAUN (off season trade of the year) mccann freeman escobar schafer
we might get upset about how our team does on a day-to-day basis, however it feels really good knowing that we’re going to have a team that can compete for many years to come.
All the hate for Kawakami is basically based on a meaningless win-loss record. Of course, I’d expect nothing less from small-brained AJC “columnists.”
In Kawakami’s nine starts, the Braves have scored 2, 0, 2, 0, 2, 3, 0, 4, and 2 runs for him. That really makes winning a lot more difficult regardless of who is on the mound.
And in the game they scored 4 the bullpen blew a huge lead.
What do you have to do to be an AJC sports columnist? It can’t be very much.
As for the AJC commenters, I think they are part of a conspiracy designed to show that evolution does not exist.
Love the video. Easily my favorite Gilbert and Sullivan show.
I always wonder if deaf people are annoyed when they read a subtitle like “joyous music.”
5, I can dig that team for sure.
What do you have to do to be an AJC sports columnist? It can’t be very much.
You have to already be an AJC sports columnist.
It’s eminently possible that they’ll eventually let go some of their sportswriters at some point soon, the way they let go their film critics and much of the rest of their newsroom. It is hard to fathom that they would actually hire another sports columnist any time soon. The grandfather clause is, right now, the only qualification that any AJC sports columnist could hope to have — and it’s the only quality they have.
@5, I am pretty sure acquiring Braun is impossible, but damn, that 2005 draft had some players in it. Even Atlanta got a pretty good pick (that we gave away later).
The problem isn’t the columnists. It’s the people who read them. And that isn’t going away anytime soon.
Melky batting 6th? Designated loss night again.
Pirates a surprising 10-5 in one-run games, besting the Braves record of 8-7
Chipper, McLouth and Martin own Zach Duke.
Troy, Yunel, and Melky do not.
Drayton Moore is KC GM now, according to Jon Heyman. You would think basic spell-checking would be a simple requirement in journalism these days. Only 30 GMs in MLB…you’d think journalists would at least spell their names right.
Anyway, he claims Dayton has admitted to an 8 to 10 year rebuilding plan in KC. I wonder if he’ll be given that long.
It won’t take that long to undo his mistakes. 7 years, tops.
19—Your mistake is in believing that Heyman is a journalist.
‘As for the AJC commenters, I think they are part of a conspiracy designed to show that evolution does not exist.’ LOL! – I know some here read it….. just for laughs. I avoid it knowing that one of those guys could be the president one day. Ok, maybe not but …..
@19 – 8 to 10 years! WTF? Are they going to change the name of the team to the Comrades?
Heyman is a journalist. He can be a pompous blowhard who publishes misspelled or wrong information from time to time, but he does do basic reporting.
I respectfully disagree. I consider journalism a noble profession, and I won’t label someone so bad at his job a “journalist”.
In fairness to Stu, Heyman does have a well deserved rep as a Boras shill.
Oh, sure. I mean, I don’t think he’s a great journalist. (Or even a terribly ethical one, though I live in Washington, where ethics are sacrificed for access on an hourly basis.) But you can’t kick him out of the club for being terrible.
Although I have no problem if you want to put scare quotes around the word and call him a “journalist.”
Out of curiosity, what CAN get you kicked out of the club?
Random Question: If you are an MLB.TV premium subscriber, do you still have to pay to download the iPhone/Droid At-Bat App?
@28, yes. Fifteen bucks, I think.
Well it’s pissing down here by the stadium with a lot of thunder. Lost power for about an hour, but it’s back on now.
Cleared up for now, but more in the area.
The tarp is off the infield and some of the players are checking out the field. Hopefully the game will be on soon.
Prado has another hit. I guess the game has started.
The Pirates have Ronny Cedeno and Bobby Crosby on the same roster.
Another all-world at bat from Heyward. Man among boys.
Good work, troy.
C’mon Melk!
Melky with a textbook Baltimore chop. I still do not believe though.
Has to be the best backup catcher in baseball, no? Maybe Iannetta/Olivo combo in COL, but at least top 5.
It’s youth and energy.
Awesome inning so far. It would be nice to have an easy one tonight.
worth the wait, so far….
Must be a Derek Lowe start…
Hopefully Lowe won’t give them all back right away.
A three-run double and then a caught stealing… does David Ross need a nickname?
david ross sure is fun to watch throw down to 2nd
also gotta wonder where he was going down 4-0…
#46, wash your mouth out with soap.
@45, it was our old friend chris burke that he struck out to end it and seal the no-no…
Ha! Looks like our night.
#50 – soap, followed by gargling with bleach
What a great story Prado is. Guy has really nothing much in the minors going on, and at age 24 or so, just blossomed in the big leagues. Maybe there is hope for Melky after all.
dont compare my boy Prado with Melky
Didn’t Prado win the International League batting title in ’07?
I guess he wasn’t considered a prospect because the things he was good at aren’t the things you can count on to translate to the big leagues.
@50- True. But especially after looking at most of the starting catchers in baseball, I think you can easily make a case for Ross being Wren’s best FA aigning.
Come on…Corky Miller was Wren’s best FA signing. That is fairly obvious.
@56 – I dunno about that, he did hit 316 in AAA at 23, but with a .794 OPS which at the time looked both fluky and not really a harbinger of anything great. Glad I was wrong about that.
I thought Nate was getting out of his slump, but damn, he looked bad that last at bat.
60- My Dad has started calling him “Lost at the Plate Nate”
Frank Wren is writing a big check that his McLouth can’t cash.
No?
Does Lowe look as good as his performance? Is this a Hudson-type start?
He’s what we’ve come to expect. It helps a lot that the Pirates suck.
Smoltz made an interesting point about how sinkerballers get better as the season goes on.
Prado alert!
EDIT: actually a real error this time
@66:
That sounds like good news for Timmeh.
I’ve seen about enough of McLouth. How about some Blanco or maybe some Mitch Jones (w/ Melky in CF).
Prado again.
I wouldn’t mind seeing McLouth sent down. The way Cabrera is starting to hit we could survive with him, Hinske and Heyward for a while.
It’s gotta suck to be a Pirates fan.
I’m not sure when we’ll see Chipper’s power stroke again but the cut-down single swing is coming around.
I’m not sure McLouth can be sent down but a hangnail that lands him on the DL would accomplish the same thing. It’s almost June and he’s been brutal.
Corey Hart just hit a 2 run walk off homer in the ninth to beat the Mets.
#75 – Taking Johan out of that game was an interesting decision. The Brewers weren’t about to take Gallardo out. 121 pitches.
I want to see one more inning out of Lowe. He owes it to everybody.
Bringing in Igarashi was also interesting. Jerry Manuel is precious.
@75 according to bodley tonights loss is just the beginning of another winning streak
Can we get a complete game out of Lowe?
Guess not.
87 pitches and they took him out. too bad.
I’m going to give Bobby the benefit of the doubt and assume the rain delay played a large part in taking Lowe out.
And yes, assuming tonight plays out by the percentages, Derek Lowe will be tied for 2nd in the NL with 7 wins
I just dont see it, why burn the bullpen again? This stuff is maddening. Here we go, a 6 run lead in the eight and we will use 3 or 4 relievers.
ok bobby get him out of there… jesus
Hacking at the first pitch. Thank you Garrett Jones.
So who comes out to pitch the ninth? I can’t wait to find out.
This is why you leave Lowe in.
I know I’m preaching to the choir here.
We are going to need a couple new relievers by July 4th. Any word on Proctor lately?
or you let Venters pitch the 8th and maybe the 9th
Hanrahan was just completely psyched out by a 20 year old. Nice pitch, you douche.
@91:
I think you mean a 20 year old demigod of baseball.
The Pirates are dumb.
You’re a moron, Hanrahan.
Cox was dying to use Wagner.
Well, it’s a morning recap kind of game.
Derek Lowe rules.
Kill me, kill me.
A caller on the rain-delay show suggested a trade of Yunel Escobar, Mike Minor, and “somebody else” for Gordon Beckham, Jake Peavy, Andruw Jones, and Paul Konerko. No lie.
LOL
Next caller, in a low, Southern drawl, “I’m humbled to be in ya’lls presence.” I couldn’t tell you the names of the hosts–but they chuckled.
He wanted to talk managerial candidates, and his suggestions were TP, Glavine, Smoltzie, and Chipper.
But especially after looking at most of the starting catchers in baseball, I think you can easily make a case for Ross being Wren’s best FA aigning.
Ross has been terrific, no doubt. But Glaus has quietly been kinda good. We needed a legitimate hitter, and he got one for $1.75 mil — not coincidentally, almost the same amount of money we’re paying Ross for two years.
Wren has done a fine job, as far as I’m concerned.
todd redmond threw a no-hitter for gwinnett tonight.
Braves win. Finally.
Heyward is now leading the National League in OPS at .991.
A 20 year old.
Leading the entire league in arguably the most important offensive statistic.
Two months into the season.
We knew he’d be good, but…. :shock:
Ethier was hitting .392/.457/.744/1.201 coming into tonight – are you sure?
According to the four letter, with Ethier’s recent DL stint, he doesn’t qualify. Heyward has the highest OPS of all NL qualifiers. That felt good to type that last sentence, and I’m sure it won’t be the last time I get to.
Right, Ehtier doesn’t currently qualify.
You have to assume that lowe was pitching some in the cages during the rain delay to stay warm. Taking that into consideration, 87 pitches was probably more like 110-115.
Well Ethier’s got 145 PAs to Heywards 175, so you are probably right. I also agree that at some point over the next couple of years you will be saying that about a full season’s worth of accomplishment for Jason.
Black Jesus is tied with Jason Werth for the NL OPS lead. Still…
Went to A’s-Tigers tonight. It was Polish-American Night, so you walked into Comerica and they had a polka band playing. Traditional outfits & folk dancing, lotsa fun.
D-Train Willis, however, was painful, but he somehow managed to give up only 3 runs in 5 IP. He was so wild & had a series of mini-mental meltdowns. I felt sorry for him.
Sheets was better, but gave up 3 ER himself. Why? He had all kinds of trouble with Miguel Cabrera. In fact, Cabrera hit 3 HRs, something I’d never seen in person.
Once again, bravo for the MLB iPhone app. If we get 4 in the first, Lowe must be on the mound.
For the record, DOB has now corrected himself on the OPS rankings. Heyward rounds up to a point above Werth. Even if it’s ultimately meaningless, the stat just sounds so damn good. Really rolls of the tongue. It’s just so damn impressive.
I haven’t read through the whole thread so somebody might have listed this, but Redmond pitched a 9 inning no hitter for Gwinnett last night.
– I was wondering if you could sing the entire score of the H.M.S. Pinafore.
– Very well, Bart. I shall send you to Heaven before I send you to Hell!
From the last thread re: draft picks (#37),
I wouldn’t say those guys are potential Braves picks (I have no idea), just who I would be looking into.
I imagine they’ll take a prep guy, Covey and Wilson are the only prep guys I listed and I think they’re the two most likely to be gone at 35.
Actually, there’s a pretty good chance all 6 are gone at 35. Probably more than 40 percent.
Good god the comments on that Schultz article were vile even by the knuckle dragging standards of AJC posters.
@1 – I find the Poor Little Buttercup sequence particularly funny.
2013 rotation candidates:
tommy hanson
jair jurrjens
kris medlen
julio teheran
randall delgado
tim hudson
arodys viscaino
mike minor
i know we don’t have a lot of offensive depth in the minors, but with this crew set to be ready by 2013, that’s some exciting shtuff. if mccann can still catch, he’d be behind the plate, freeman at first, prado at second, escobar at short, salcedo at 3rd, heyward in right, and schafer in center. put a power hitting right-handed hitter in left…holy carpel tunnel syndrome…it sure is fun to have a good minor league system, no matter if it’s one dimensional.
2013 lineup:
prado
salcedo
heyward
RYAN BRAUN (off season trade of the year)
mccann
freeman
escobar
schafer
we might get upset about how our team does on a day-to-day basis, however it feels really good knowing that we’re going to have a team that can compete for many years to come.
All the hate for Kawakami is basically based on a meaningless win-loss record. Of course, I’d expect nothing less from small-brained AJC “columnists.”
In Kawakami’s nine starts, the Braves have scored 2, 0, 2, 0, 2, 3, 0, 4, and 2 runs for him. That really makes winning a lot more difficult regardless of who is on the mound.
And in the game they scored 4 the bullpen blew a huge lead.
What do you have to do to be an AJC sports columnist? It can’t be very much.
As for the AJC commenters, I think they are part of a conspiracy designed to show that evolution does not exist.
Love the video. Easily my favorite Gilbert and Sullivan show.
I always wonder if deaf people are annoyed when they read a subtitle like “joyous music.”
5,
I can dig that team for sure.
What do you have to do to be an AJC sports columnist? It can’t be very much.
You have to already be an AJC sports columnist.
It’s eminently possible that they’ll eventually let go some of their sportswriters at some point soon, the way they let go their film critics and much of the rest of their newsroom. It is hard to fathom that they would actually hire another sports columnist any time soon. The grandfather clause is, right now, the only qualification that any AJC sports columnist could hope to have — and it’s the only quality they have.
Braves lineup: 1. Prado 2B, 2. Heyward RF, 3. Chipper 3B, 4. Glaus 1B, 5. Escobar SS, 6. Cabrera LF, 7. Ross C, 8. McLouth CF, 9. Lowe RHP
@5, I am pretty sure acquiring Braun is impossible, but damn, that 2005 draft had some players in it. Even Atlanta got a pretty good pick (that we gave away later).
http://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/?query_type=year_round&year_ID=2005&draft_round=1&draft_type=junreg
The Baseball Prospectus LUCK stat has Kawakami as the #1 unluckiest starter in baseball, although Oswalt is not that far behind:
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/sortable/index.php?cid=156508
#11
The problem isn’t the columnists. It’s the people who read them.
And that isn’t going away anytime soon.
Melky batting 6th? Designated loss night again.
Pirates a surprising 10-5 in one-run games, besting the Braves record of 8-7
Chipper, McLouth and Martin own Zach Duke.
Troy, Yunel, and Melky do not.
Drayton Moore is KC GM now, according to Jon Heyman. You would think basic spell-checking would be a simple requirement in journalism these days. Only 30 GMs in MLB…you’d think journalists would at least spell their names right.
Anyway, he claims Dayton has admitted to an 8 to 10 year rebuilding plan in KC. I wonder if he’ll be given that long.
It won’t take that long to undo his mistakes. 7 years, tops.
19—Your mistake is in believing that Heyman is a journalist.
‘As for the AJC commenters, I think they are part of a conspiracy designed to show that evolution does not exist.’
LOL! – I know some here read it….. just for laughs. I avoid it knowing that one of those guys could be the president one day. Ok, maybe not but …..
@19 – 8 to 10 years! WTF? Are they going to change the name of the team to the Comrades?
Heyman is a journalist. He can be a pompous blowhard who publishes misspelled or wrong information from time to time, but he does do basic reporting.
I respectfully disagree. I consider journalism a noble profession, and I won’t label someone so bad at his job a “journalist”.
In fairness to Stu, Heyman does have a well deserved rep as a Boras shill.
Oh, sure. I mean, I don’t think he’s a great journalist. (Or even a terribly ethical one, though I live in Washington, where ethics are sacrificed for access on an hourly basis.) But you can’t kick him out of the club for being terrible.
Although I have no problem if you want to put scare quotes around the word and call him a “journalist.”
Out of curiosity, what CAN get you kicked out of the club?
Random Question: If you are an MLB.TV premium subscriber, do you still have to pay to download the iPhone/Droid At-Bat App?
@28, yes. Fifteen bucks, I think.
Well it’s pissing down here by the stadium with a lot of thunder. Lost power for about an hour, but it’s back on now.
Cleared up for now, but more in the area.
The tarp is off the infield and some of the players are checking out the field. Hopefully the game will be on soon.
Prado has another hit. I guess the game has started.
The Pirates have Ronny Cedeno and Bobby Crosby on the same roster.
Another all-world at bat from Heyward. Man among boys.
Good work, troy.
C’mon Melk!
Melky with a textbook Baltimore chop. I still do not believe though.
Has to be the best backup catcher in baseball, no? Maybe Iannetta/Olivo combo in COL, but at least top 5.
It’s youth and energy.
Awesome inning so far. It would be nice to have an easy one tonight.
worth the wait, so far….
Must be a Derek Lowe start…
Hopefully Lowe won’t give them all back right away.
Todd Redmond tossed a no-hitter.
David Ross > BMac.
Thanks for the free out.
A three-run double and then a caught stealing… does David Ross need a nickname?
david ross sure is fun to watch throw down to 2nd
also gotta wonder where he was going down 4-0…
#46, wash your mouth out with soap.
@45, it was our old friend chris burke that he struck out to end it and seal the no-no…
Ha! Looks like our night.
#50 – soap, followed by gargling with bleach
What a great story Prado is. Guy has really nothing much in the minors going on, and at age 24 or so, just blossomed in the big leagues. Maybe there is hope for Melky after all.
dont compare my boy Prado with Melky
Didn’t Prado win the International League batting title in ’07?
I guess he wasn’t considered a prospect because the things he was good at aren’t the things you can count on to translate to the big leagues.
@50- True. But especially after looking at most of the starting catchers in baseball, I think you can easily make a case for Ross being Wren’s best FA aigning.
Come on…Corky Miller was Wren’s best FA signing. That is fairly obvious.
@56 – I dunno about that, he did hit 316 in AAA at 23, but with a .794 OPS which at the time looked both fluky and not really a harbinger of anything great. Glad I was wrong about that.
I thought Nate was getting out of his slump, but damn, he looked bad that last at bat.
60- My Dad has started calling him “Lost at the Plate Nate”
West, Guillen and Buerhle are all getting fined.
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5230498
Frank Wren is writing a big check that his McLouth can’t cash.
No?
Does Lowe look as good as his performance? Is this a Hudson-type start?
He’s what we’ve come to expect. It helps a lot that the Pirates suck.
Smoltz made an interesting point about how sinkerballers get better as the season goes on.
Prado alert!
EDIT: actually a real error this time
@66:
That sounds like good news for Timmeh.
I’ve seen about enough of McLouth. How about some Blanco or maybe some Mitch Jones (w/ Melky in CF).
Prado again.
I wouldn’t mind seeing McLouth sent down. The way Cabrera is starting to hit we could survive with him, Hinske and Heyward for a while.
It’s gotta suck to be a Pirates fan.
I’m not sure when we’ll see Chipper’s power stroke again but the cut-down single swing is coming around.
I’m not sure McLouth can be sent down but a hangnail that lands him on the DL would accomplish the same thing. It’s almost June and he’s been brutal.
Corey Hart just hit a 2 run walk off homer in the ninth to beat the Mets.
#75 – Taking Johan out of that game was an interesting decision. The Brewers weren’t about to take Gallardo out. 121 pitches.
I want to see one more inning out of Lowe.
He owes it to everybody.
Bringing in Igarashi was also interesting. Jerry Manuel is precious.
@75 according to bodley tonights loss is just the beginning of another winning streak
Can we get a complete game out of Lowe?
Guess not.
87 pitches and they took him out.
too bad.
I’m going to give Bobby the benefit of the doubt and assume the rain delay played a large part in taking Lowe out.
And yes, assuming tonight plays out by the percentages, Derek Lowe will be tied for 2nd in the NL with 7 wins
I just dont see it, why burn the bullpen again?
This stuff is maddening.
Here we go, a 6 run lead in the eight and we will use 3 or 4 relievers.
ok bobby get him out of there… jesus
Hacking at the first pitch. Thank you Garrett Jones.
So who comes out to pitch the ninth? I can’t wait to find out.
This is why you leave Lowe in.
I know I’m preaching to the choir here.
We are going to need a couple new relievers by July 4th.
Any word on Proctor lately?
or you let Venters pitch the 8th and maybe the 9th
Hanrahan was just completely psyched out by a 20 year old. Nice pitch, you douche.
@91:
I think you mean a 20 year old demigod of baseball.
The Pirates are dumb.
You’re a moron, Hanrahan.
Cox was dying to use Wagner.
Well, it’s a morning recap kind of game.
Derek Lowe rules.
Kill me, kill me.
A caller on the rain-delay show suggested a trade of Yunel Escobar, Mike Minor, and “somebody else” for Gordon Beckham, Jake Peavy, Andruw Jones, and Paul Konerko. No lie.
LOL
Next caller, in a low, Southern drawl, “I’m humbled to be in ya’lls presence.” I couldn’t tell you the names of the hosts–but they chuckled.
He wanted to talk managerial candidates, and his suggestions were TP, Glavine, Smoltzie, and Chipper.
But especially after looking at most of the starting catchers in baseball, I think you can easily make a case for Ross being Wren’s best FA aigning.
Ross has been terrific, no doubt. But Glaus has quietly been kinda good. We needed a legitimate hitter, and he got one for $1.75 mil — not coincidentally, almost the same amount of money we’re paying Ross for two years.
Wren has done a fine job, as far as I’m concerned.
todd redmond threw a no-hitter for gwinnett tonight.
Braves win. Finally.
Heyward is now leading the National League in OPS at .991.
A 20 year old.
Leading the entire league in arguably the most important offensive statistic.
Two months into the season.
We knew he’d be good, but…. :shock:
Ethier was hitting .392/.457/.744/1.201 coming into tonight – are you sure?
According to the four letter, with Ethier’s recent DL stint, he doesn’t qualify. Heyward has the highest OPS of all NL qualifiers. That felt good to type that last sentence, and I’m sure it won’t be the last time I get to.
Right, Ehtier doesn’t currently qualify.
You have to assume that lowe was pitching some in the cages during the rain delay to stay warm. Taking that into consideration, 87 pitches was probably more like 110-115.
Well Ethier’s got 145 PAs to Heywards 175, so you are probably right. I also agree that at some point over the next couple of years you will be saying that about a full season’s worth of accomplishment for Jason.
Black Jesus is tied with Jason Werth for the NL OPS lead. Still…
espn has werth at .990 and Heyward at .991.
Then DOB is incompetent.
Greetings from the Motor City…
Went to A’s-Tigers tonight. It was Polish-American Night, so you walked into Comerica and they had a polka band playing. Traditional outfits & folk dancing, lotsa fun.
D-Train Willis, however, was painful, but he somehow managed to give up only 3 runs in 5 IP. He was so wild & had a series of mini-mental meltdowns. I felt sorry for him.
Sheets was better, but gave up 3 ER himself. Why? He had all kinds of trouble with Miguel Cabrera. In fact, Cabrera hit 3 HRs, something I’d never seen in person.
Once again, bravo for the MLB iPhone app. If we get 4 in the first, Lowe must be on the mound.
For the record, DOB has now corrected himself on the OPS rankings. Heyward rounds up to a point above Werth. Even if it’s ultimately meaningless, the stat just sounds so damn good. Really rolls of the tongue. It’s just so damn impressive.
I haven’t read through the whole thread so somebody might have listed this, but Redmond pitched a 9 inning no hitter for Gwinnett last night.
Recapped.