Who has done the better job, Bobby Cox or Jim Tracy?
Smitty
on September 27, 2009 at 8:57 am
2.5 back
Smitty
on September 27, 2009 at 9:02 am
Think Urban Meyer is going to keep running up the score and leave his all world QB in the game with a huge lead anymore? Go to hell Gators!
RobBroad4th
on September 27, 2009 at 10:56 am
Just want to echo all the other comments in the previous thread and say I’m proud of this team.
Looks like Coach stayed true to his word. Has he posted since his epic fight against WordPress?
barrycuda
on September 27, 2009 at 11:32 am
i really wated to leave a little KeystoneLite barb for my buddy Jon K but since i watched our local heros die from multiple gunshot wounds to the foot, i guess i’ll save it.
sdp
on September 27, 2009 at 11:33 am
I think we’ve got a great chance to pull this out of the hat.
I’m extremely proud of this group of players this year.
Seat Painter
on September 27, 2009 at 11:51 am
[Checking the Loss Column]
Ummm…just, mayyyyybbbbeee…..???
See the Marlins in for three starting tomorrow, and one more left in the Pit of Despair in DC.
No hope. Sorry, but that’s the way I see it.
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Robert
on September 27, 2009 at 11:51 am
Who has done the better job, Bobby Cox or Jim Tracy?
Hard to say. The data you’ve supplied has nothing to do with the question. I’ll say that Jim Tracy’s resume isn’t exactly filled with satisfied employers.
The two biggest “underachievers” by pythag in the NL are the Dodgers and Braves whose managers have had – let’s say – a little bit of success at the major league level. The biggest “overachievers” are the Padres and Astros led by future Hall of Fame managers Bud Black and whoever replaced the fired Cecil Cooper.
Tiger224
on September 27, 2009 at 11:52 am
I’d love to get excited about the last week or two…but I’m afraid the Marlins are gonna rue the day for us regardless of what the Rockies do.
It will be interestng to see what this team can put together next year…been saying that for how long now?
Let’s keep making it interesting, boys.
RobBroad4th
on September 27, 2009 at 12:11 pm
9,
I’m also a little nervous about the Marlins series. Some people seem to think they’re a pushover team like the Nats. Heck, even the Nats aren’t a pushover team like the Nats.
Parish
on September 27, 2009 at 12:27 pm
No way the Braves win out.
If they somehow make it through the season with only one more loss, I would say they have a good chance of at least forcing a playoff. Two losses or more and fahgeddaboutit.
I think it is most likely we lose 2+ games from here on out and fall just short.
Brian J.
on September 27, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Derek Lowe agrees with you, Mac. He’s doing his best to stamp out this hope stuff. Damnation.
What is there to even say about Lowe? He just shouldn’t be starting for a playoff contender. Don’t we have some mediocre prospect who could replace him?
Tom
on September 27, 2009 at 12:51 pm
Derek Lowe, Braves killer.
Ron E.
on September 27, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Not real good when your $16 million supposed ace is your 6th best starter. Lowe’s era the last 2 months is pretty ugly. I hope Wren can find some sucker of a GM (paging Minaya and Cashman!) to take him off our hands in the offseason. And why the heck is something call Jay’s Brawl Calls on Sports South HD instead of the Braves game?
RobBroad4th
on September 27, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Wow. We look awful so far.
Nathan
on September 27, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Well, we certainly have the A lineup out there today, so hopefully we can find some offense.
Can someone explain to me why Lowe is starting and not Kawakami? Is it safe to say that this is another example of Bobby not playing the hot hand in a critical situation? Cue everyone’s favorite examples from past playoff series, my favorite being the decision to start a slumping Glavine twice (and the second time on three day’s rest, no less) in the ’02 NLDS against the Giants when Millwood was torrid at the end of the season.
RobBroad4th
on September 27, 2009 at 1:58 pm
The strike zone had been inconsistent to say the least.
RobBroad4th
on September 27, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Dan Haren and his eyebrows cannot act.
NickC
on September 27, 2009 at 2:00 pm
#42, yeah, I’m pretty sure he threw 4 pitches in a row to Prado in exactly the same location and ended up with a 2-2 count.
Joshua
on September 27, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Yeah, Lowe can’t get that sinker called a strike to save his life.
RobBroad4th
on September 27, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Gotta admit, that was a great strike out. Good movement in his sinker.
RobBroad4th
on September 27, 2009 at 2:17 pm
I can’t believe they let Livan hit in that spot. Then again, I can’t believe it went to a full count.
NickC
on September 27, 2009 at 2:17 pm
One of the worst quality starts I think I’ve ever seen.
Nathan
on September 27, 2009 at 2:17 pm
That atbat by Livan was Bad News Bears for Lowe for the first half. If Lowe hadn’t come back to get him, that would have been freaking terrible.
sdp
on September 27, 2009 at 2:17 pm
This girl on this ad up top has a nice rack.
RobBroad4th
on September 27, 2009 at 2:20 pm
50,
Dude, that’s my sister.
RobBroad4th
on September 27, 2009 at 2:22 pm
Yes!!
Brian J.
on September 27, 2009 at 2:22 pm
ADAM!
Dan
on September 27, 2009 at 2:24 pm
I thought for sure we were going to get Snitkered there.
Nathan
on September 27, 2009 at 2:24 pm
Don’t be Norton PHing, don’t be Norton PHing…Don’t be Norton!
RobBroad4th
on September 27, 2009 at 2:24 pm
Matt Diaz bunts to set up Greg Norton?! That’s madness!
Joshua
on September 27, 2009 at 2:25 pm
Please, Bobby – anybody but Norton.
Brian J.
on September 27, 2009 at 2:25 pm
Rob- Madness? This! Is! ATLANTA!
There is nothing even vaguely resembling an excuse for Diaz dropping a sacrifice bunt-
Or for the Emperor being within 500 miles of this game.
Biggest at-bat of the season and Bobby sends Norton to the plate. I have to keep reminding myself that I like Bobby in other ways.
Tomas
on September 27, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Failed, Norton, you surprise me.
Tom
on September 27, 2009 at 2:30 pm
F**k Norton. F**k Bobby. What the hell was he thinking? It’s almost like he doesn’t WANT to win. The dumbest move I have ever seen from a manager. Ever.
RobBroad4th
on September 27, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Runner on second and no outs with one of your best hitters up…you MUST score.
NickC
on September 27, 2009 at 2:30 pm
#70, can’t really blame the Diaz bunt since he was safe at first and it’s a reasonable call in a tie game.
Nathan
on September 27, 2009 at 2:31 pm
Norton’s skillset this year is uniquely ill-suited to getting a dude in from third with less than two out. He strikes out a quarter of the time, walks a fifth, has yet to record a sac fly this year.
sdp
on September 27, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Fockies up 2-0, bottom 1st.
Tom
on September 27, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Meanwhile at Colorado, the Rockies already lead 2-0. Thank you, Cardinals.
RobBroad4th
on September 27, 2009 at 2:33 pm
75,
He was absolutely safe.
Ron E.
on September 27, 2009 at 2:34 pm
We are now halfway to the Bobby cycle in this game. We’ve already had the .320 hitter called on to bunt with no outs and a runner at 2nd plus the worst pinch hitter in history sent up to fail with a runner at 3rd and numerous better hitters available on the bench. Now all we need to complete the cycle is to have a righthanded reliever give up a homer to Adam Dunn and for Bobby to bring in Soriano with a huge lead/deficit. Bobby Cox: still not a good manager. I take back my praise from this morning.
Brian J.
on September 27, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Somehow, I don’t think Harris will have as hard a time scoring as LaRoche did.
RobBroad4th
on September 27, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Moylan is the man!
Nathan
on September 27, 2009 at 2:44 pm
WOOOOO MOYLAN!
Brian J.
on September 27, 2009 at 2:44 pm
I stand happily corrected!
c. shorter
on September 27, 2009 at 2:44 pm
well done, Moylan. Way to get out of it.
Nathan
on September 27, 2009 at 2:47 pm
I’ve just got Gameday, but that slider on the inside corner for strike three to Willingham looked as though it was beautiful.
JonathanF
on September 27, 2009 at 2:47 pm
You guys aren’t thinking about this correctly. It’s like when the #8 hitter gets a single with two outs. Bobby has now cleared Norton and we can proceed to try and win the game.
NickC
on September 27, 2009 at 2:51 pm
Hopefully we’ll keep Moylan out for another inning.
RobBroad4th
on September 27, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Moylan is dealing.
Brian J.
on September 27, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Cards take the lead 3-2 on a bases-loaded double by Pujols.
JaredL
on September 27, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Pujols! 3 run double!
RobBroad4th
on September 27, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Give that man a W, please.
Nathan
on September 27, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Moylan has apparently decided he’s an honorary member of the rotation today, since Lowe let us down.
Does anybody remember our final package for Peavy?
sdp
on September 27, 2009 at 3:03 pm
DAMN IT
sdp
on September 27, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Oh, look! Another example of how dumb bunts are!
RobBroad4th
on September 27, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Whew! Gonzo was a little wild…
Nathan
on September 27, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Wooo. Free baseball.
Yeah, Gonzo was wild, but it looked from Gameday like it was the sick kind of wild that comes of uncontrollable stuff; that last pitch was nearly in the dirt, it looked like, but Zimm was swinging away anyway.
Nathan
on September 27, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Here’s Conrad. Wonder where he was earlier.
mikemc
on September 27, 2009 at 3:16 pm
The Nats have only made one error so far. This can’t continue…
sdp
on September 27, 2009 at 3:18 pm
SEND THESE BASTARDS TO THE SHOWERS!
Brian J.
on September 27, 2009 at 3:18 pm
All things continue until they end, Mike. To wit, the Lions just beat the Redskins 19-14.
Nathan
on September 27, 2009 at 3:22 pm
That wasn’t exactly what I wanted from Chipper, but I’ll take it. C’mon McCann and Escobar!
Edit: Well, hey, you know, it scored a run so I’ll take it.
Brian J.
on September 27, 2009 at 3:23 pm
A very McCann kind of play- undramatic but effective.
sdp
on September 27, 2009 at 3:23 pm
Why didn’t you hit the ball into the upper deck like yesterday, McCann?!
Braves lead!
chippereando
on September 27, 2009 at 3:25 pm
chippereando chipperreo
Brian J.
on September 27, 2009 at 3:25 pm
Omar!
RobBroad4th
on September 27, 2009 at 3:26 pm
Thank God Norton didn’t kill us again!
sdp
on September 27, 2009 at 3:26 pm
Infante with the money shot!
Seat Painter
on September 27, 2009 at 3:28 pm
If I was still of an age to have kids, I’d strongly consider Omar Infante as the given names.
RobBroad4th
on September 27, 2009 at 3:31 pm
This team is playing with their tail between their legs.
Brian J.
on September 27, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Two back.
Sorry, Mac, but
“I still believe in a place called HOPE!”
c. shorter
on September 27, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Excellent. Go cards.
Timo
on September 27, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Now that we got that Lowe start out of the way, I just don’t see how the Braves can lose another game!
Braves baseball hasn’t been this fun in a long while now. If they take at least two of three from the Fish, I’ll be convinced that this is going to happen.
Use code “Journal” for a 5% discount.
2009 Braves Pythagorean W-L: 87-67
Actual Record: 84-70
2009 Rockies Pythagorean W-L: 85-70
Actual Record: 87-68
Who has done the better job, Bobby Cox or Jim Tracy?
2.5 back
Think Urban Meyer is going to keep running up the score and leave his all world QB in the game with a huge lead anymore? Go to hell Gators!
Just want to echo all the other comments in the previous thread and say I’m proud of this team.
Looks like Coach stayed true to his word. Has he posted since his epic fight against WordPress?
i really wated to leave a little KeystoneLite barb for my buddy Jon K but since i watched our local heros die from multiple gunshot wounds to the foot, i guess i’ll save it.
I think we’ve got a great chance to pull this out of the hat.
I’m extremely proud of this group of players this year.
[Checking the Loss Column]
Ummm…just, mayyyyybbbbeee…..???
See the Marlins in for three starting tomorrow, and one more left in the Pit of Despair in DC.
No hope. Sorry, but that’s the way I see it.
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Who has done the better job, Bobby Cox or Jim Tracy?
Hard to say. The data you’ve supplied has nothing to do with the question. I’ll say that Jim Tracy’s resume isn’t exactly filled with satisfied employers.
The two biggest “underachievers” by pythag in the NL are the Dodgers and Braves whose managers have had – let’s say – a little bit of success at the major league level. The biggest “overachievers” are the Padres and Astros led by future Hall of Fame managers Bud Black and whoever replaced the fired Cecil Cooper.
I’d love to get excited about the last week or two…but I’m afraid the Marlins are gonna rue the day for us regardless of what the Rockies do.
It will be interestng to see what this team can put together next year…been saying that for how long now?
Let’s keep making it interesting, boys.
9,
I’m also a little nervous about the Marlins series. Some people seem to think they’re a pushover team like the Nats. Heck, even the Nats aren’t a pushover team like the Nats.
No way the Braves win out.
If they somehow make it through the season with only one more loss, I would say they have a good chance of at least forcing a playoff. Two losses or more and fahgeddaboutit.
I think it is most likely we lose 2+ games from here on out and fall just short.
Derek Lowe agrees with you, Mac. He’s doing his best to stamp out this hope stuff. Damnation.
Some serious rally-killing going on here.
What is there to even say about Lowe? He just shouldn’t be starting for a playoff contender. Don’t we have some mediocre prospect who could replace him?
Derek Lowe, Braves killer.
Not real good when your $16 million supposed ace is your 6th best starter. Lowe’s era the last 2 months is pretty ugly. I hope Wren can find some sucker of a GM (paging Minaya and Cashman!) to take him off our hands in the offseason. And why the heck is something call Jay’s Brawl Calls on Sports South HD instead of the Braves game?
Wow. We look awful so far.
Well, we certainly have the A lineup out there today, so hopefully we can find some offense.
Derek Lowe is a Hopovore.
We make Livan Hernandez look like a Cy Young award candidate today. C’mon boys!
Matt Ryan is a Phillie fan? Well, better than being a Bosox fan…
Garret Anderson doesn’t completely fail. Yay.
Edit: Yunel delivers and we’re tied. Yaaaay!
The Nats’ defense is embarassing. Way to take advantage.
DON’T F*CK IT UP, DEREK!
Unforgivable.
Yeah, let’s get Kawakami warmed up.
And we’re back to Home Run Derby. Thanks a heap, Derek.
Jesus, Derek – do your damned job. I can’t believe this guys is getting paid more than anyone on this team.
You suck, Derek.
Derek Lowe…the one man rally killer….
Derek Lowe has got to go!
Shit. Maybe I’ll change my mind and take Milton Bradley for this clown.
Could somebody please describe that ground-rule double for me?
I’m “watching” on MLB Gameday. Lowe’s pitches appear to be consistently high in the strike zone.
While Hernandez appears to throw the majority of his pitches outside.
Is this the case?
32, fan interference down the third base line.
He’s not pitching well, but Lowe’s hustling. TBS just showed him beating out a swinging bunt to 3rd.
33, yep. Sounds about right.
Second baseman was nowhere near the bag!
Ah, nevermind.
34,
Thanks!
Also, Livan is getting pitches called strikes that are about 3 or 4 inches off the plate – and consistently.
So is Scott Barry the new Eric Gregg?
Can someone explain to me why Lowe is starting and not Kawakami? Is it safe to say that this is another example of Bobby not playing the hot hand in a critical situation? Cue everyone’s favorite examples from past playoff series, my favorite being the decision to start a slumping Glavine twice (and the second time on three day’s rest, no less) in the ’02 NLDS against the Giants when Millwood was torrid at the end of the season.
The strike zone had been inconsistent to say the least.
Dan Haren and his eyebrows cannot act.
#42, yeah, I’m pretty sure he threw 4 pitches in a row to Prado in exactly the same location and ended up with a 2-2 count.
Yeah, Lowe can’t get that sinker called a strike to save his life.
Gotta admit, that was a great strike out. Good movement in his sinker.
I can’t believe they let Livan hit in that spot. Then again, I can’t believe it went to a full count.
One of the worst quality starts I think I’ve ever seen.
That atbat by Livan was Bad News Bears for Lowe for the first half. If Lowe hadn’t come back to get him, that would have been freaking terrible.
This girl on this ad up top has a nice rack.
50,
Dude, that’s my sister.
Yes!!
ADAM!
I thought for sure we were going to get Snitkered there.
Don’t be Norton PHing, don’t be Norton PHing…Don’t be Norton!
Matt Diaz bunts to set up Greg Norton?! That’s madness!
Please, Bobby – anybody but Norton.
Rob- Madness? This! Is! ATLANTA!
There is nothing even vaguely resembling an excuse for Diaz dropping a sacrifice bunt-
Or for the Emperor being within 500 miles of this game.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Let Ross go up there and hit…
But… but… Lowe had a quality start!
take the bat out of diaz’s hands with a runner in scoring position in order to bring up norton. argh. hopefully he can at least hit a fly ball…
Situation is ideally suited for KJ. He can do his long AB and then hit a slow roller to 1st and 2nd to score the run.
Where is Church? Is he hurt? Conrad? Dead?
Norton is the devil.
Norton is hitting 89 points worse than Lowe. We could’ve just kept Lowe in the lineup and replaced him for the bottom of the 7th.
What a surprise.
67 — I was thinking the same.
I sometimes feel like the Braves deserve to lose for giving away outs like that (diaz bunting and norton getting at-bats).
Biggest at-bat of the season and Bobby sends Norton to the plate. I have to keep reminding myself that I like Bobby in other ways.
Failed, Norton, you surprise me.
F**k Norton. F**k Bobby. What the hell was he thinking? It’s almost like he doesn’t WANT to win. The dumbest move I have ever seen from a manager. Ever.
Runner on second and no outs with one of your best hitters up…you MUST score.
#70, can’t really blame the Diaz bunt since he was safe at first and it’s a reasonable call in a tie game.
Norton’s skillset this year is uniquely ill-suited to getting a dude in from third with less than two out. He strikes out a quarter of the time, walks a fifth, has yet to record a sac fly this year.
Fockies up 2-0, bottom 1st.
Meanwhile at Colorado, the Rockies already lead 2-0. Thank you, Cardinals.
75,
He was absolutely safe.
We are now halfway to the Bobby cycle in this game. We’ve already had the .320 hitter called on to bunt with no outs and a runner at 2nd plus the worst pinch hitter in history sent up to fail with a runner at 3rd and numerous better hitters available on the bench. Now all we need to complete the cycle is to have a righthanded reliever give up a homer to Adam Dunn and for Bobby to bring in Soriano with a huge lead/deficit. Bobby Cox: still not a good manager. I take back my praise from this morning.
Somehow, I don’t think Harris will have as hard a time scoring as LaRoche did.
Moylan is the man!
WOOOOO MOYLAN!
I stand happily corrected!
well done, Moylan. Way to get out of it.
I’ve just got Gameday, but that slider on the inside corner for strike three to Willingham looked as though it was beautiful.
You guys aren’t thinking about this correctly. It’s like when the #8 hitter gets a single with two outs. Bobby has now cleared Norton and we can proceed to try and win the game.
Hopefully we’ll keep Moylan out for another inning.
Moylan is dealing.
Cards take the lead 3-2 on a bases-loaded double by Pujols.
Pujols! 3 run double!
Give that man a W, please.
Moylan has apparently decided he’s an honorary member of the rotation today, since Lowe let us down.
Does anybody remember our final package for Peavy?
DAMN IT
Oh, look! Another example of how dumb bunts are!
Whew! Gonzo was a little wild…
Wooo. Free baseball.
Yeah, Gonzo was wild, but it looked from Gameday like it was the sick kind of wild that comes of uncontrollable stuff; that last pitch was nearly in the dirt, it looked like, but Zimm was swinging away anyway.
Here’s Conrad. Wonder where he was earlier.
The Nats have only made one error so far. This can’t continue…
SEND THESE BASTARDS TO THE SHOWERS!
All things continue until they end, Mike. To wit, the Lions just beat the Redskins 19-14.
That wasn’t exactly what I wanted from Chipper, but I’ll take it. C’mon McCann and Escobar!
Edit: Well, hey, you know, it scored a run so I’ll take it.
A very McCann kind of play- undramatic but effective.
Why didn’t you hit the ball into the upper deck like yesterday, McCann?!
Braves lead!
chippereando chipperreo
Omar!
Thank God Norton didn’t kill us again!
Infante with the money shot!
If I was still of an age to have kids, I’d strongly consider Omar Infante as the given names.
This team is playing with their tail between their legs.
Two back.
Sorry, Mac, but
“I still believe in a place called HOPE!”
Excellent. Go cards.
Now that we got that Lowe start out of the way, I just don’t see how the Braves can lose another game!
[Jumping up and down on coffin lid]
NO! Back in there Hope! Back!
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Recapped.
Braves baseball hasn’t been this fun in a long while now. If they take at least two of three from the Fish, I’ll be convinced that this is going to happen.
BELIEVE.