The announcers were talking about how it was good to go up against the Phillies with a lot of lefthanders. Maybe, but I’d prefer they not be fly-ball lefthanders, thanks.
OK, it’s May 13, the day after the Mets lost to Washington, 10-4. Naturally, Met fans want Willie’s head on a stick.
I’ve already had conversations with 2 Mets fans today (they began as business-related, but quickly devolved into “Met Rehab”), and both of them want Willie gone. Soon.
“We need someone who’s going to show some fire!”
“We need someone who’s going to kick some ass!”
“I want to see some emotion!”
Typical stuff when your team is losing. Of course, I mention to them how their team is constructed and how their best player just dramatically raised his average to .240, etc.
But on the radio call-in shows, the most-humorous and most-mentioned Willie alternative seems to be—are you ready for this?—Frank Robinson.
Never a dull moment around here.
csg
on May 13, 2008 at 2:41 pm
I hope there are a lot of boos in Philly the next 3 games. Basically we need to keep Burrell, Utley, and Howard in check. I dont know if our pitchers for this series can do that. Is Rollins playing again?
Smitty
on May 13, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Ububba,
I have a guy for the Mets;
Larry Bowa
Remy
on May 13, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Bobby Valentine’s over in Japan, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the Mets wanted him back.
Luis Gonzalez is in LF for the Marlins, subbing for Willingham. Unless you mean Tatis is playing LF — dunno about that.
Stu
on May 13, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Sorry, I meant Tatis. I thought I read where, at least before the season started when they were considering breaking camp with Tatis, it was going to be with him an outfielder.
Stu
on May 13, 2008 at 4:10 pm
Gonzo, however, might be uglier than Eric Duncan, so it might be him that’s most relieved.
Speaking of which, have you ever seen Gonzo and Don Flamenco in the same place?
I’m not sure how I missed this when it happened a week ago, but it is awesome.
So many golden nuggets, but I’m not sure it gets any better than the random, yet hilarious “[Bleep] everybody.”
Parish
on May 13, 2008 at 5:17 pm
Relating to our conversation a few days ago, the Baseball Prospectus Toolbox has an interesting study on the correlation between leaving runners on base and scoring runs. Looking at team totals by season back to 1971, the coefficient of correlation between the two variables is 0.52.
That is, there is a pretty strong positive correlation between leaving runners on and scoring.
Really? What is the record for LOB in a 9-inning shutout?
csg
on May 13, 2008 at 5:29 pm
interesting lineup tonight, dont know about Norton being 5th, but we’ll see
csg
on May 13, 2008 at 5:29 pm
I think the “softball girls” should pick up Figueroa
csg
on May 13, 2008 at 5:32 pm
everyone in the lineup except KJ and Frenchy are hitting .310 or higher
Parish
on May 13, 2008 at 5:39 pm
I thought you guys would like that study in light of yesterday’s game. Of course, the discussion followed the game where the Braves scored 12 and left 15 on.
Checkers? I don’t know if that’s better or worse than Connect Four.
Douglass
on May 13, 2008 at 6:53 pm
man…I just LOL’ed extremely too hard at 49.
Well played , sir.
Frank
on May 13, 2008 at 6:55 pm
anyone else think Johnson should have run when Blanco had an 0-2 count or maybe even with a 1-2 count? if he’d been caught then Blanco, not Reyes, would have been leading off next inning
hahahahaha. a word that ugly-looking CAN’T be a compliment.
CourtneyC
on May 13, 2008 at 7:46 pm
I have all the respect for Bobby in the world, but did he really just have a mediocre pitcher hit for himself in the 6th with two on when we are behind 3-4? Don’t we have Diaz on the bench?
Brian J.
on May 13, 2008 at 7:47 pm
Let me get this straight. We have the tying and go-ahead runs on base for a pitcher who is completely gassed. We let him try to drop a sacrifice bunt, which will start making sense in about two innings. While he is trying to do this, we send the runners, who aren’t especially fast, getting one thrown out. We then let the gassed pitcher finish making the third out.
Does Bobby have money on the Phillies tonight?
CourtneyC
on May 13, 2008 at 7:48 pm
Is that really bobby or is that a monkey in a Bobby Cox suit?
Reyes did pitch well in that inning, but that doesn’t mean he shouldn’t have been hit for.
Brandon
on May 13, 2008 at 7:53 pm
Wow, somehow that we got through that inning unscathed, I figured the world would come crashing down after leaving JoJo out there.
Jeremy
on May 13, 2008 at 7:53 pm
Reyes has pitched well. The Phillies have had a lot of lucky hits.
Brian J.
on May 13, 2008 at 7:54 pm
On one hand, it’s almost a bad thing that Reyes pitched well, because that might encourage Bobby to continue letting starters continue to pitch in Reyes’ situation tonight. On the other hand, Bobby seems to have reached the point where he either no longer learns or simply doesn’t give a damn.
He “bunted through” the pitch, whatever that means.
csg
on May 13, 2008 at 8:02 pm
he wasnt running, he was just caught not paying attention
csg
on May 13, 2008 at 8:03 pm
the pitch was high and away and Reyes pulled his bat back
Chief Nocahoma
on May 13, 2008 at 8:03 pm
I almost wish we would bottom out so at least we could get a higher draft pick. This continuing mediocrity but picking in the 15-17 range isn’t going to produce a franchise player.
Hell, what’s the difference in finishing 70-93 and 78-84? Not much.
Same thing happens in the NFL. Teams that continually finish around 8-8 and pick in that middle range don’t get a franchise changer.
Tampa Bay is proof of what you can build if you are patient and draft well, picking high.
That really is less important in baseball, where you can get franchise players after the first few picks. Jason Heyward, our 1st round draftee this year, might well be a franchise player.
Teixeira must not be able to play. Or else Bobby really is dead.
CourtneyC
on May 13, 2008 at 8:07 pm
Wow.. like the loylallity Chief. Screw chipper and Smoltz.. let’s take a dive so we can get a higher draft pick.
I don’t know why but being a mediocre .500 team sucks so much more than being a crappy team like WAS or PIT. I think we were all a bit spoiled with all the division titles and now losing sucks so bad.
csg
on May 13, 2008 at 8:11 pm
well cant complain about Reyes (0BB 5K), looks like its going back on the offenses shoulders again
Jeremy
on May 13, 2008 at 8:13 pm
I thought Jo Jo pitched about as well as expected. I know he had 5 Ks, but it doesn’t seem like he misses many bats.
Eric
on May 13, 2008 at 8:14 pm
Our offense is indescribable. Believe it or not, our pitching has been pretty great
Werth has had, without a doubt, the worst three-hit, four-RBI game I have ever seen.
ricflair
on May 13, 2008 at 8:16 pm
Lucky bastards!!!
Brian J.
on May 13, 2008 at 8:16 pm
Our offense has been very describable lately- just not with printable words.
Remy
on May 13, 2008 at 8:16 pm
Should Blanco have let the ball drop in front of him?
csg
on May 13, 2008 at 8:17 pm
nope, runner was moving with two outs anyways
Chief Nocahoma
on May 13, 2008 at 8:19 pm
I’ve gone to games since 1980 so I am loyal but we are in a rut and sometimes you have to hit rock bottom before you can get it back on the right track. Right now, we’re not at rock bottom, but the muddling along that we’re doing is stagnating the franchise.
Plus Liberty Media sucks.
The odds of Heyward being a franchise player are admittedly higher than say the #16 DP in the NFL, but I’m just frustrated with this mediocrity and its clouding my judgement.
I’m not suggesting we tank on purpose, but this dog ain’t going to hunt.
Brian J.
on May 13, 2008 at 8:19 pm
Frenchy: when you absolutely, positively need a one-pitch out.
You’re completely wrong, Chief. You can rebuild on the run — the Braves did it in late nineties. If you become bad, there’s a very good chance you will stay bad. Ask the Pirates and Royals.
Eric
on May 13, 2008 at 8:22 pm
Mac is right. When you are very bad, its hard to rebuild with free agent prices where they are at and consistent starting pitching so hard to find/develop
csg
on May 13, 2008 at 8:24 pm
lets see Blanco’s SPEED for once
Brian J.
on May 13, 2008 at 8:24 pm
I also agree with Mac. Tampa Bay has looked good so far, Chief, but you’re placing 40 games of competent baseball over 10 years of abject awfulness.
Oh, and Jeff, I was talking to you when I said not to press.
Remy
on May 13, 2008 at 8:47 pm
Two outs, Frenchy. You know what to do.
csg
on May 13, 2008 at 8:47 pm
what a joke
Jeremy
on May 13, 2008 at 8:48 pm
Francoeur is so clutch.
csg
on May 13, 2008 at 8:48 pm
he actually didnt throw one strike to Frenchy either
Brian J.
on May 13, 2008 at 8:48 pm
Frank, we have to kill you now. Nothing personal, you understand, but you cursed us.
Flyers losing 3-1, so at least Philly fans can be miserable too.
Frank
on May 13, 2008 at 8:51 pm
understand completely 🙂
Frank
on May 13, 2008 at 8:52 pm
I bet Mac will have the recap up in record time–the one run loss is getting familiar by now
Trent
on May 13, 2008 at 8:53 pm
Another 1 run game. Just unreal.
It’s just so many small things during the game that goes against us. Sometimes it’s our own fault but it really isn’t all the time which is why I’m still optimistic.
Running this bad just can’t continue. It just can’t.
Dan (but not that Dan)
on May 13, 2008 at 8:53 pm
I think this could all be fixed very easily by batting Chipper a few more times in the order.
Brian J.
on May 13, 2008 at 8:54 pm
I don’t think Liberty Media will pay for the cloning program, Dan. Good idea though.
Dan (but not that Dan)
on May 13, 2008 at 8:55 pm
Well, that’s really their loss. Attendance would skyrocket.
OK, it’s May 13, the day after the Mets lost to Washington, 10-4. Naturally, Met fans want Willie’s head on a stick.
I’ve already had conversations with 2 Mets fans today (they began as business-related, but quickly devolved into “Met Rehab”), and both of them want Willie gone. Soon.
“We need someone who’s going to show some fire!”
“We need someone who’s going to kick some ass!”
“I want to see some emotion!”
Typical stuff when your team is losing. Of course, I mention to them how their team is constructed and how their best player just dramatically raised his average to .240, etc.
But on the radio call-in shows, the most-humorous and most-mentioned Willie alternative seems to be—are you ready for this?—Frank Robinson.
Never a dull moment around here.
I hope there are a lot of boos in Philly the next 3 games. Basically we need to keep Burrell, Utley, and Howard in check. I dont know if our pitchers for this series can do that. Is Rollins playing again?
Ububba,
I have a guy for the Mets;
Larry Bowa
Bobby Valentine’s over in Japan, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the Mets wanted him back.
Smitty,
Love it.
And yes, Rollins is back. He hit a HR in his first game back at San Fran this weekend.
Mets Moves:
Jorge Sosa & Nelson Figueroa designated for assignment.
They bring in Claudio Vargas, Fernando Tatis & Matt Wise.
Angel Pagan to the DL.
Wow! How far the great have fallen. A month ago, Figueroa was at the top of the starting rotation. Looks like the housecleaning has begun.
If Fernando Tatis is supposed to be the answer, I really don’t want to know what the question is.
#8
To Jorge Cantu’s great relief, the question is “Who is now the ugliest third baseman in the National League?”
He’s playing LF for them, though, right? It’s probably Eric Duncan who’s relieved.
I’d take Tatis over our third baseman.
What a second…
That was supposed to be “wait” obviously. I really screwed that one up.
Sorry everyone. Carry on.
Tatis is considered “power off the bench,” probably a short-term “solution.”
Wise replaces Sosa as right-handed long relief. Vargas replaces Figueroa in the rotation.
FWIW, Vargas will take Santana’s turn on Thursday. Santana moves back a day to face the Yanks on Friday.
Luis Gonzalez is in LF for the Marlins, subbing for Willingham. Unless you mean Tatis is playing LF — dunno about that.
Sorry, I meant Tatis. I thought I read where, at least before the season started when they were considering breaking camp with Tatis, it was going to be with him an outfielder.
Gonzo, however, might be uglier than Eric Duncan, so it might be him that’s most relieved.
Speaking of which, have you ever seen Gonzo and Don Flamenco in the same place?
Lineup, per DOB:
1. Escobar
2. Kotsay
3. Chipper
4. McCann
5. Norton
6. Francoeur
7. Kelly
8. Blanco
9. Reyes
Well, shoot. I shoulda checked the URL before posting that. How about this one for Flamenco instead: http: http://www.nerdzapper.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/don-flamenco.png
I’m not sure how I missed this when it happened a week ago, but it is awesome.
So many golden nuggets, but I’m not sure it gets any better than the random, yet hilarious “[Bleep] everybody.”
Relating to our conversation a few days ago, the Baseball Prospectus Toolbox has an interesting study on the correlation between leaving runners on base and scoring runs. Looking at team totals by season back to 1971, the coefficient of correlation between the two variables is 0.52.
That is, there is a pretty strong positive correlation between leaving runners on and scoring.
Did someone here ask this question?
Did they work game one on Monday into the data? Because I think it may have been enough to reverse the findings of a 35-year study….
Really? What is the record for LOB in a 9-inning shutout?
interesting lineup tonight, dont know about Norton being 5th, but we’ll see
I think the “softball girls” should pick up Figueroa
everyone in the lineup except KJ and Frenchy are hitting .310 or higher
I thought you guys would like that study in light of yesterday’s game. Of course, the discussion followed the game where the Braves scored 12 and left 15 on.
ububba, I don’t know — I thought Elias might spring into action after we left 15 on and scored none, but I haven’t seen anything.
Turns out we missed it by one.
OK, maybe it’s best that game be completely forgotten.
Way to go, Yunel. Let’s get this party started.
Kendrick might be meat for the beast tonight….
I like this new lineup already.
Nice job by Frenchy, real nice.
Way to come through, Frenchy.
Is Frenchy…hot?
#34
With two outs, he is.
And sometimes umpires just suck, Jon.
But Reyes didn’t let the blown call rattle him. Good job, Jo-Jo.
THE Barry Bonnell?!?!?!?
Barry Bonnell reference! Everybody drink.
The Barry Bonnell drinking game isn’t much fun….
Maybe we could bring Barry back to teach bunting.
Our inability to bunt when we are supposed to (as opposed to all the other times Bobby has us bunt) and also adequately stretch is really annoying.
this ump has no clue what a strike is
Bet the Phillies wish they had that Iwamura guy…
Frenchy coming aliiiiive
and yes, this ump is calling some weird outside strikes
Yup, Jeffy be hot.
Is Gameday accurate tonight? It looks like the balls are generally closer to the strike zone than the strikes are.
Has anyone seen Blanco pull a ball hard? Other than Joe Simpson?
Checkers? I don’t know if that’s better or worse than Connect Four.
man…I just LOL’ed extremely too hard at 49.
Well played , sir.
anyone else think Johnson should have run when Blanco had an 0-2 count or maybe even with a 1-2 count? if he’d been caught then Blanco, not Reyes, would have been leading off next inning
Might have been worth a shot.
This just in… Francoeur says that he and Smoltz are now playing tic-tac-toe, where he can almost always pull off a draw.
That’ll be a Prado.
another Prado–ick
how many outs are we going to give them?
is there a strike zone at this point?
Norton’s was a tough play; Johnson’s shouldn’t have been
KJ–order yourself some video of Utley starting the DP
Doubleplays delenda est.
Also, while I’m at it…
Whiskey Falls delenda est.
You know, this team is really slow.
is it too early to predict Yunel will play 3B when Chipper retires?
I think we are about to lose our lead
Bobby, take notes. That was a STOLEN BASE. It is not against the rules for your team to do it either.
Yeah, that was a bright idea. Pitch him inside.
fastball to Howard with 1st base open, hmmm??
And now to lose the tie.
I hate this team.
Did Bobby die at some point during the last two innings? Reyes is done.
Bobby Cox is no more after this year. McDowell can go too.
can we try to steal on a catcher who is 4-20 in throwing out runners? i dont care if we dont make it or not
why is JoJo on deck?
See Post 61.
if there is a time for Gotay its now, but Reyes is hitting
Okay, that does it. Bobby is dead. He died during the fourth inning.
wtf.. JoJo gonna hit?
F!#$!!#%!@!!!
That was hebetudinous in the extreme.
hahahahaha. a word that ugly-looking CAN’T be a compliment.
I have all the respect for Bobby in the world, but did he really just have a mediocre pitcher hit for himself in the 6th with two on when we are behind 3-4? Don’t we have Diaz on the bench?
Let me get this straight. We have the tying and go-ahead runs on base for a pitcher who is completely gassed. We let him try to drop a sacrifice bunt, which will start making sense in about two innings. While he is trying to do this, we send the runners, who aren’t especially fast, getting one thrown out. We then let the gassed pitcher finish making the third out.
Does Bobby have money on the Phillies tonight?
Is that really bobby or is that a monkey in a Bobby Cox suit?
does this team care?
That’s ten hits.
Another opportunity for Bobby to take notes, a pinch hitter
idiot – Synonyms from Thesaurus.com
That’s nine hits for the last 15 Phillies hitters.
Anybody but Resop would be better right now.
Reyes did pitch well in that inning, but that doesn’t mean he shouldn’t have been hit for.
Wow, somehow that we got through that inning unscathed, I figured the world would come crashing down after leaving JoJo out there.
Reyes has pitched well. The Phillies have had a lot of lucky hits.
On one hand, it’s almost a bad thing that Reyes pitched well, because that might encourage Bobby to continue letting starters continue to pitch in Reyes’ situation tonight. On the other hand, Bobby seems to have reached the point where he either no longer learns or simply doesn’t give a damn.
Can Tex pinch hit tonight?
Good job working the count guys!
Chipper deserves a better team.
So does Escobar. And Hudson. And Blanco. And Smoltz. And…
Hey, this should BE that “better team!”
Very well said
On that bunt before, did Kelly just get caught off balance or was that a called steal
He “bunted through” the pitch, whatever that means.
he wasnt running, he was just caught not paying attention
the pitch was high and away and Reyes pulled his bat back
I almost wish we would bottom out so at least we could get a higher draft pick. This continuing mediocrity but picking in the 15-17 range isn’t going to produce a franchise player.
Hell, what’s the difference in finishing 70-93 and 78-84? Not much.
Same thing happens in the NFL. Teams that continually finish around 8-8 and pick in that middle range don’t get a franchise changer.
Tampa Bay is proof of what you can build if you are patient and draft well, picking high.
#23 – and thats why
Ugly.
blaaaaaaa ..
Glad to see you’re a loyal fan Chief Nocahoma.
That really is less important in baseball, where you can get franchise players after the first few picks. Jason Heyward, our 1st round draftee this year, might well be a franchise player.
Teixeira must not be able to play. Or else Bobby really is dead.
Wow.. like the loylallity Chief. Screw chipper and Smoltz.. let’s take a dive so we can get a higher draft pick.
Hard to stay positive right now.
Not to mention that the Braves will just draft the best high schooler from the deep south available no matter where they pick.
He gone.
Reyes reminds me a lil’ bit of Pettitte.
Oh, look. Someone woke up the manager.
I don’t know why but being a mediocre .500 team sucks so much more than being a crappy team like WAS or PIT. I think we were all a bit spoiled with all the division titles and now losing sucks so bad.
well cant complain about Reyes (0BB 5K), looks like its going back on the offenses shoulders again
I thought Jo Jo pitched about as well as expected. I know he had 5 Ks, but it doesn’t seem like he misses many bats.
Our offense is indescribable. Believe it or not, our pitching has been pretty great
these hits are a joke
Another lucky ass hit.
Werth has had, without a doubt, the worst three-hit, four-RBI game I have ever seen.
Lucky bastards!!!
Our offense has been very describable lately- just not with printable words.
Should Blanco have let the ball drop in front of him?
nope, runner was moving with two outs anyways
I’ve gone to games since 1980 so I am loyal but we are in a rut and sometimes you have to hit rock bottom before you can get it back on the right track. Right now, we’re not at rock bottom, but the muddling along that we’re doing is stagnating the franchise.
Plus Liberty Media sucks.
The odds of Heyward being a franchise player are admittedly higher than say the #16 DP in the NFL, but I’m just frustrated with this mediocrity and its clouding my judgement.
I’m not suggesting we tank on purpose, but this dog ain’t going to hunt.
Frenchy: when you absolutely, positively need a one-pitch out.
You’re completely wrong, Chief. You can rebuild on the run — the Braves did it in late nineties. If you become bad, there’s a very good chance you will stay bad. Ask the Pirates and Royals.
Mac is right. When you are very bad, its hard to rebuild with free agent prices where they are at and consistent starting pitching so hard to find/develop
lets see Blanco’s SPEED for once
I also agree with Mac. Tampa Bay has looked good so far, Chief, but you’re placing 40 games of competent baseball over 10 years of abject awfulness.
Oh, look, Gotay. Too bad the only chance we had to use a pinch-hitter tonight was with a runner on first and two out.
Our bench sucks.
oh good, Brett Myers and Cole Hamels next
What are they chanting? Something E-A-G-L-E-S related no doubt.
“Flyers”, I believe. I think they’re a soccer team. Or possibly World Team Tennis.
Or maybe a nhl hockey team.
What’s that?
Possibly. Didn’t they fold or something?
Pistons up by one on the Magic with 20 seconds left.
Traveling checkers team.
Brad Lidge is due for a bad game!! I am calling it right now.
Major Indoor Connect Four.
What a lousy game.
JoJo allowed to bunt in the 6th or 7th with two on and 1 out was weak.
Worth’s RBI “hits” were even weaker.
It’s Chipper time.
Now let’s see how small this park really is.
I figured it out! This is a No F-ing Way Game!
Pretty sneaky, Mac!
Tying run at the plate. Any chance he’ll do anything interesting? (We’ve seen too many DPs for them to be interesting any more.)
Damn. Thought he hit it better than that.
Isn’t that supposed to go out at Citizen’s Bank Ballpark?
intl walk coming up
so does Frenchy strike out or pop out?
my bad–he’s actually pitching to McCann
Norton’s on deck.
That back door slider wasn’t even close to being a strike.
Yes!
Put some speed at second.
Nice hit by McCann.
Of course they have to tease us.
C’mon Norton.
“Speed”, of course, being Diaz. Huh.
Does Diaz count as speed? Actually, on this team he probably does…
Whew – I was worried this wasn’t going to be another one-run game.
I sent, but Bobby did not receive.
I could grow to like Norton. Most of our hitters would have swung there. Don’t press.
yep, Norton is after McCann, my bad again
so Norton walks and now we get Frenchy
make you call–K, pop, or grounder
I’ll take K
Ok, lets bunt here!
The fastest man on the bench is probably Jurrjens.
Oh, and Jeff, I was talking to you when I said not to press.
Two outs, Frenchy. You know what to do.
what a joke
Francoeur is so clutch.
he actually didnt throw one strike to Frenchy either
Frank, we have to kill you now. Nothing personal, you understand, but you cursed us.
Flyers losing 3-1, so at least Philly fans can be miserable too.
understand completely 🙂
I bet Mac will have the recap up in record time–the one run loss is getting familiar by now
Another 1 run game. Just unreal.
It’s just so many small things during the game that goes against us. Sometimes it’s our own fault but it really isn’t all the time which is why I’m still optimistic.
Running this bad just can’t continue. It just can’t.
I think this could all be fixed very easily by batting Chipper a few more times in the order.
I don’t think Liberty Media will pay for the cloning program, Dan. Good idea though.
Well, that’s really their loss. Attendance would skyrocket.
True dat.
1-11 in one run games.
Will the misery ever cease?
Recap is up.