That story about the feud between Edgar Renteria and Orlando Cabrera from the last thread was interesting, but maddening. It’s basically a he said/she said, in which the writer made it sound like Cabrera’s pretty much a laid back, easy going guy who’s been domesticated by his wife, while Edgar is a guy who decided one day for no good reason simply never to speak to his countryman again.
I wish I knew a little bit more of the story, beyond Orlando Cabrera protesting that he doesn’t know why Edgar’s angry, and Edgar saying that Cabrera is intentionally trying to sabotage his Colombian baseball league. With the money these guys make, it doesn’t seem possible that this all stems from a dispute over $35,000.
Mr. Swings@Everything
on April 23, 2008 at 1:10 pm
What’s the latest on Glavine? When do we expect him back?
csg
on April 23, 2008 at 1:28 pm
from todays article on Braves website
“Glavine, on the DL with a hamstring strain, hopes to return Tuesday in Washington if all goes well with his side sessions, while Hampton could go out on a Minor League rehab assignment this weekend. “
Brad
on April 23, 2008 at 1:34 pm
We’re going back to Washington?!
csg
on April 23, 2008 at 1:50 pm
yep and just for two games. April 29th and 30th
doubledawg
on April 23, 2008 at 2:09 pm
I think we’re all wasting our time if we hope to understand or make sense of a falling out between two columbian businessmen. Men have died for less. Lets just assume Edgar’s right, since we like Edgar, and he apparently gave Yunel the number for Dr. Fritz J. Mutzenberg, Team Physician for the 1973 World Champion East German Women’s Swim Team.
Either something has gone horribly wrong in my life, or something has gone horribly right. Today, for a legitimate paper, I checked out The Numbers Game: Baseball’s Lifelong Fascination with Statistics. Meanwhile, for pleasure reading, I’m checking out books on ancient English history. I am a strange person.
ryan c
on April 23, 2008 at 2:57 pm
carl crawford referring to his presence while on base:
“Plus, I notice when I’m on base, pitchers are terrified. So I figure it does have a big impact on the game. It definitely makes everyone a little more nervous when you’re on base. At least that’s what I’ve noticed.”
I’m sure it’s been noted here, but how delightful is it to watch Kim Il Sung turn sliders into taters out of the Mets’ pen?
bwarrend
on April 23, 2008 at 3:19 pm
There may be some truth to that. He’s only walked twice this season. Then again, when has anyone been terrified of anything to do with the Tampa Bay Rays (who don’t actually have anyone named “Ray” on their teams)?
Speaking of the Rays, Couldn’t we pick up Troy Percival on the cheap from them? Yeah he’s old, but it looks as if he is pitching well so far.
I didn’t even think there was a debate. I think there was when he was still closing, but after he transitioned back to a starter and was still dominant, I thought that killed all the debate. He’s a lock to me 200 wins 150 saves and now 3000 k’s plus one of the BIGGEST big game pitchers of the last twenty years. I fail to see the debate.
Which is, frankly, kind of an odd debate. It makes sense if you’re talking about predictions, but not if you’re talking about a voter’s mentality. If you think a guy’s a Hall of Famer, then vote for him. If you don’t think a guy’s a Hall of Famer, don’t vote for him. The idea that everyone should have to wait a year is crap.
If you didn’t think a guy was a good pitcher and then you change your mind — maybe you finally realize that Rich Lederer was right about Bert Blyleven — that’s fine. But the idea of not voting for someone that you think is a Hall of Famer, just because you think no one deserves to get 100% of the vote, is offensive on its face.
Dix
on April 23, 2008 at 4:03 pm
Interesting read for college football fans. Its about Alabama specifically. One more thing the SEC is better at I guess. Not trying to stir the pot this time though. If it’s already been discussed, ignore me more than usual.
AAR,
I agree that a guy’s either a HoFer or he’s not. But voters are weird, inconsistent, whatever, and we’ve been left with the term “first-ballot Hall of Famer.”
Of course, this era is going to be the strangest of all for voters. I’m not even sure what I think anymore.
Frank
on April 23, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Two 400′ gopher balls in the first inning–is this what Frank Wren means by”pitching depth”?
Offensively, expect lots of futility against mediocre lefty …
Phillip
on April 23, 2008 at 5:21 pm
This Miller kid is struggling pretty bad. I see a long & painful night for the Braves.
That is an “earned” run. Those runs last night, four of them were “unearned”. This concludes my “errors are stupid and the earned/unearned runs dichotomy meaningless” rant for the day.
Brad
on April 23, 2008 at 7:40 pm
I would say now our offense will roll over and die, but I think they did that about 7 innings ago.
Stu
on April 23, 2008 at 7:40 pm
Oops, an error advancing the runner.
You know, I’m beginning to worry about this team’s prospects this year.
Mr. Swings@Everything
on April 23, 2008 at 7:42 pm
Yeah, we know that RA is certainly a better predictor of future success but there
are certainly some runs that are entirely unearned. Who was that RF for the Cardinals a few years back that tossed a ball over the wall with his glove that resulted in a Braves homerun? Or there is the infamous Jose Canseco bounce off the skull homer. There are real, true unearned runs.
joesteve
on April 23, 2008 at 7:43 pm
well you give em 5 outs per inning . . . dat’s wachagit
Brad
on April 23, 2008 at 7:43 pm
I’m with you, Stu. No fire, no heart…they seem pretty content losing at home to the Nats and Marlins, treading water, staying at .500, and, I guess, hoping for a miracle. At this rate, if the Phillies or Mets ever figure things out, we’ll lose the division by 8 or 10 games.
Stu
on April 23, 2008 at 7:47 pm
Yeah, it’s not so much the losses or even the way we’re losing, but the crappy team we keep losing to that makes me pessimistic.
I interpret Stu’s comment to mean that the Braves won’t be contenders unless they play better, fundamental baseball.
Mr. Swings@Everything
on April 23, 2008 at 7:49 pm
Eh, I’d say it’s more like pretty good hitting, pretty good pitching but when one shows up the other takes the night off.
Brad
on April 23, 2008 at 7:50 pm
…a bunt?
Stu
on April 23, 2008 at 7:52 pm
That’s not what I meant, Remy. Those comments were unrelated. I was first correcting the mistake I made above about there being no errors on the 3 sucky plays in a row. Then I was just voicing a general, all-encompassing, growing lack of optimism about the Braves this year.
Remy
on April 23, 2008 at 7:55 pm
Got it. Thanks!
Jeremy
on April 23, 2008 at 7:55 pm
Sign Barry Bonds, please.
braves14
on April 23, 2008 at 7:58 pm
Bobby’s throwing in ‘the towel.’
Brad
on April 23, 2008 at 7:59 pm
Well, this is now on Bobby. Resop has sucked all year, has a 9.00 ERA, and he has no business being on the team, and yet Cox keeps bringing him in close games.
STOP IT!
How many times does Resop have to get bombed before you get the hint that practically anyone in Richmond has to be better, simply because they can’t possibly be worse?
I don’t care if Resop has a “live” arm, because when he enters, the Braves are dead.
Sweet merciful crap. I need to learn to turn off the TV when I see Resop’s face.
braves14
on April 23, 2008 at 8:10 pm
Hopefully he’ll be gone after this game.
Brad
on April 23, 2008 at 8:11 pm
Oh come on, Brick. “He’s close. Just missed on a few. Good arm though. Made Ramirez look bad; could be a closer.”
Bobby’s in love with him, the same way he was with Kolb then Reitsma then Wickman. It takes us being 11 games out until he wakes up and stops using these guys in close games.
Jeremy
on April 23, 2008 at 8:14 pm
It’s kind of hard to trust Bobby’s and the front office’s judgment when they continue to employ Chris Resop.
Kyle B.
on April 23, 2008 at 8:14 pm
Let me get this straight:
The Braves outhit Florida.
Committed two less errors.
And lost by five.
Brad
on April 23, 2008 at 8:17 pm
Mets won, Phillies winning.
Good job, guys.
joesteve
on April 23, 2008 at 8:17 pm
That’s about it except you left out going 1 for 15 with RISP.
ricflair
on April 23, 2008 at 8:18 pm
It is only April 23rd relax you guys.
Kyle B.
on April 23, 2008 at 8:18 pm
Of all the struggles last year, I remember at one point the Braves were 24-12. Those were the good times. Unless I just made that up.
Kyle B.
on April 23, 2008 at 8:20 pm
Mac, can one of Resop’s middle names be “BP,” due to his tendency to throw batting practice.
Chris “BP” Resop.
Jeremy
on April 23, 2008 at 8:22 pm
I prefer Pitching Machine, although that’s an insult to pitching machines.
That story about the feud between Edgar Renteria and Orlando Cabrera from the last thread was interesting, but maddening. It’s basically a he said/she said, in which the writer made it sound like Cabrera’s pretty much a laid back, easy going guy who’s been domesticated by his wife, while Edgar is a guy who decided one day for no good reason simply never to speak to his countryman again.
I wish I knew a little bit more of the story, beyond Orlando Cabrera protesting that he doesn’t know why Edgar’s angry, and Edgar saying that Cabrera is intentionally trying to sabotage his Colombian baseball league. With the money these guys make, it doesn’t seem possible that this all stems from a dispute over $35,000.
What’s the latest on Glavine? When do we expect him back?
from todays article on Braves website
“Glavine, on the DL with a hamstring strain, hopes to return Tuesday in Washington if all goes well with his side sessions, while Hampton could go out on a Minor League rehab assignment this weekend. “
We’re going back to Washington?!
yep and just for two games. April 29th and 30th
I think we’re all wasting our time if we hope to understand or make sense of a falling out between two columbian businessmen. Men have died for less. Lets just assume Edgar’s right, since we like Edgar, and he apparently gave Yunel the number for Dr. Fritz J. Mutzenberg, Team Physician for the 1973 World Champion East German Women’s Swim Team.
Either something has gone horribly wrong in my life, or something has gone horribly right. Today, for a legitimate paper, I checked out The Numbers Game: Baseball’s Lifelong Fascination with Statistics. Meanwhile, for pleasure reading, I’m checking out books on ancient English history. I am a strange person.
carl crawford referring to his presence while on base:
“Plus, I notice when I’m on base, pitchers are terrified. So I figure it does have a big impact on the game. It definitely makes everyone a little more nervous when you’re on base. At least that’s what I’ve noticed.”
Terrified? c’mon!
Terrified of your “modesty.”
I’m sure it’s been noted here, but how delightful is it to watch Kim Il Sung turn sliders into taters out of the Mets’ pen?
There may be some truth to that. He’s only walked twice this season. Then again, when has anyone been terrified of anything to do with the Tampa Bay Rays (who don’t actually have anyone named “Ray” on their teams)?
Speaking of the Rays, Couldn’t we pick up Troy Percival on the cheap from them? Yeah he’s old, but it looks as if he is pitching well so far.
DOB continues, but slightly alters the Smoltz-for-HoF debate.
http://tinyurl.com/48k952
I didn’t even think there was a debate. I think there was when he was still closing, but after he transitioned back to a starter and was still dominant, I thought that killed all the debate. He’s a lock to me 200 wins 150 saves and now 3000 k’s plus one of the BIGGEST big game pitchers of the last twenty years. I fail to see the debate.
The “debate” is whether or not he’s a first-ballot guy.
Which is, frankly, kind of an odd debate. It makes sense if you’re talking about predictions, but not if you’re talking about a voter’s mentality. If you think a guy’s a Hall of Famer, then vote for him. If you don’t think a guy’s a Hall of Famer, don’t vote for him. The idea that everyone should have to wait a year is crap.
If you didn’t think a guy was a good pitcher and then you change your mind — maybe you finally realize that Rich Lederer was right about Bert Blyleven — that’s fine. But the idea of not voting for someone that you think is a Hall of Famer, just because you think no one deserves to get 100% of the vote, is offensive on its face.
Interesting read for college football fans. Its about Alabama specifically. One more thing the SEC is better at I guess. Not trying to stir the pot this time though. If it’s already been discussed, ignore me more than usual.
http://sundaymorningqb.com/story/2008/4/17/161139/924
Great start.
I wonder if Smoltz could learn to pitch left handed as well.
We suck.
This ain’t starting right at all.
AAR,
I agree that a guy’s either a HoFer or he’s not. But voters are weird, inconsistent, whatever, and we’ve been left with the term “first-ballot Hall of Famer.”
Of course, this era is going to be the strangest of all for voters. I’m not even sure what I think anymore.
Two 400′ gopher balls in the first inning–is this what Frank Wren means by”pitching depth”?
Offensively, expect lots of futility against mediocre lefty …
This Miller kid is struggling pretty bad. I see a long & painful night for the Braves.
Paging another starter, Frank Wren…
Miller has done precisely crap with the Marlins so far. This means he’ll be dominant tonight.
Slugfest tonight?
some pop from baseball’s Hannah Montana
We’ll take it!
“is this what Frank Wren means by ‘pitching depth’?”
I wish I knew what Frank Wren meant by anything. But yes, I believe Bennett was part of his alleged ‘pitching depth.’
Meanwhile… this game could get up there in scoring.
Maybe some guys are just meant to platoon. Nicely done, Matt.
now a Kotsay hit off a lefty … sigh
Hint your lefthander is not very good: Kotsay gets a hit off of him.
Mac would you really rather have Andruw over Kotsay at this point? Only a $16 million payroll difference.
This is killing me. I can’t even get the audio up and running for the game.
33–consider yourself lucky if Chip or Joe would be on the audio
I got the game up finally on video
C’mon, Tex—make ’em pay.
Miller can’t throw strikes.
can someone please tell me what beach on the sleeve of their jerseys means? im clueless
#38
It’s to commemorate the passing of Jim Beauchamp, a former Braves player and coach. “Beach” was his nickname.
so, anyone ready to jump back on the matt diaz bandwagon?
I am
Andruw definitely could have done that.
Okay, Kotsay sucks. Ugggg.
Too many runs left on the basepaths. We needed five or six by now.
It’s just like they say. You have to get the good pitchers early.
Damn, Bennet’s picture is ugly. Couldn’t they at least get him a hat that fit?
What are they making bats out of now? Balsa wood?
So, we should be up to about 15 runners left on base by the 7th. yeesh.
Eight hits, two walks and an error in four innings got us two runs. Sigh.
8 left on so far, Ive got a feeling we’re not done
Yesco threw that ball right through Bennett’s glove.
gotta be impressed with the way Bennett has bounced back, esp being sick and not feeling well
Bennett can be shaky sometimes, but I admire his effort and persistence. He never gives less than his best … I just wish his best was better.
So, we’ve had 12 guys reach base through 4.1 innings and only two runs to show for it?
Mr. Cox goes to Washington
Next year I’d like to play all 18 of our games with Washington in a row. 9 in Washington and then 9 at the Ted. How bout it?
2 runs on 11 hits and 2 walks is sickening.
You know, Bennett has a quality start now.
joe just said the Gonzalez is 5-8 against Oh-man.
5-9
yayyy another one run game
Francoeur… nice!
what the hell was that matty? he tryed to tackle him
Jeff Francoeur: thanks for (not) showing up tonight. Glad we could count on you.
Who was it that was so over Blaine Boyer?
Bobby is single-handedly ruining Blaine’s career. He won’t even make it to arbitration before he can’t ever pitch again.
This offense is very frustrating, by the way.
Disgusting. He didn’t even need to dive for that ball.
Oh, great, Resop is warming up!
Resop warming up, for some reason. Is Bobby losing it? Seriously?
Ok Blaine, I need you to strike these guys out since the defense isn’t going to play this inning.
Bobby always likes to employ the pitching against your old team platoon.
This is ridiculous. 4 months until football.
3 consecutive terrible defensive plays and no errors. Prado’s been sharing.
That is an “earned” run. Those runs last night, four of them were “unearned”. This concludes my “errors are stupid and the earned/unearned runs dichotomy meaningless” rant for the day.
I would say now our offense will roll over and die, but I think they did that about 7 innings ago.
Oops, an error advancing the runner.
You know, I’m beginning to worry about this team’s prospects this year.
Yeah, we know that RA is certainly a better predictor of future success but there
are certainly some runs that are entirely unearned. Who was that RF for the Cardinals a few years back that tossed a ball over the wall with his glove that resulted in a Braves homerun? Or there is the infamous Jose Canseco bounce off the skull homer. There are real, true unearned runs.
well you give em 5 outs per inning . . . dat’s wachagit
I’m with you, Stu. No fire, no heart…they seem pretty content losing at home to the Nats and Marlins, treading water, staying at .500, and, I guess, hoping for a miracle. At this rate, if the Phillies or Mets ever figure things out, we’ll lose the division by 8 or 10 games.
Yeah, it’s not so much the losses or even the way we’re losing, but the crappy team we keep losing to that makes me pessimistic.
And “strike 1” to Kotsay was ridiculous.
The Marlins are in first place.
#75
I interpret Stu’s comment to mean that the Braves won’t be contenders unless they play better, fundamental baseball.
Eh, I’d say it’s more like pretty good hitting, pretty good pitching but when one shows up the other takes the night off.
…a bunt?
That’s not what I meant, Remy. Those comments were unrelated. I was first correcting the mistake I made above about there being no errors on the 3 sucky plays in a row. Then I was just voicing a general, all-encompassing, growing lack of optimism about the Braves this year.
Got it. Thanks!
Sign Barry Bonds, please.
Bobby’s throwing in ‘the towel.’
Well, this is now on Bobby. Resop has sucked all year, has a 9.00 ERA, and he has no business being on the team, and yet Cox keeps bringing him in close games.
STOP IT!
I remember when John Smoltz’s entry onto the field as closer practically screamed, “Game over.” The same can be said for Resop.
well, nice to see Resop brought his game.
So did Kelly Johnson actually lay down a sacrifice bunt, or was it more of an “accidental” sacrifice?
Because if it was an actual sacrifice I’m really going to wonder what Bobby’s thinking taking the bat out of his hands.
He was bunting for a hit and almost made it.
$%^&**&!!!
Resop might be worse than Kolb.
Resop might be worse than cancer.
Let’s release him, so he can go to the Nats or Marlins and shut us down next time we play them.
Seriously, Bobby, stop it.
How many times, Bobby?
How many times does Resop have to get bombed before you get the hint that practically anyone in Richmond has to be better, simply because they can’t possibly be worse?
I don’t care if Resop has a “live” arm, because when he enters, the Braves are dead.
Sweet merciful crap. I need to learn to turn off the TV when I see Resop’s face.
Hopefully he’ll be gone after this game.
Oh come on, Brick. “He’s close. Just missed on a few. Good arm though. Made Ramirez look bad; could be a closer.”
Bobby’s in love with him, the same way he was with Kolb then Reitsma then Wickman. It takes us being 11 games out until he wakes up and stops using these guys in close games.
It’s kind of hard to trust Bobby’s and the front office’s judgment when they continue to employ Chris Resop.
Let me get this straight:
The Braves outhit Florida.
Committed two less errors.
And lost by five.
Mets won, Phillies winning.
Good job, guys.
That’s about it except you left out going 1 for 15 with RISP.
It is only April 23rd relax you guys.
Of all the struggles last year, I remember at one point the Braves were 24-12. Those were the good times. Unless I just made that up.
Mac, can one of Resop’s middle names be “BP,” due to his tendency to throw batting practice.
Chris “BP” Resop.
I prefer Pitching Machine, although that’s an insult to pitching machines.