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Smoltz
Glavine
Hudson
James
HoRam/Davies
I like it!
Okay, I’ll admit it. I’ve only heard references to that commercial and had never seen it before. I’m so glad you posted it though, because it is hilarious. I miss the days of having multiple Cy Young winners on our pitching staff.
Where is Hampton, Jay? He’s going to be making 14.5 million and has said he will veto any trade.
Smoltz, Glavine, Hudson, Hampton and James. Not bad at all.
Jay, what about Hampton?
Some say 6.5 million, some 7 million and others 8 million. Some say Shanks says the signing is near and others say it’s just an offer.
It’s all some real confusing stuff, but I’m feeling like Glavine wants to come back.
Is there a link to any of this stuff? Besides the link to the Mets blog from the last thread, I mean?
It’s on Bill Shanks’s site, but you have to be an insider to read it.
*laughs* Oh, I loved that commercial.
nypost reported that the mets offered glavine 2 years at 25 million, i can’t see him turning that down, and actually would prefer him to take that money.
For a good laugh, read the arrogant Met fans’ comments like this:
“Damn you Glavine…damn you. Schuerholtz ripped you in his book, and you go crawling back. Pathetic.”
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2006/11/yankees_win_iga.html#comments
@9
Well, whatever. 😉
Hell yea, this is good news!!
any information on a second year option?
Maybe we can trade Marcus for Manny Ramirez now.
After all of the excitement with the Peavy rumor, I’m not going to accept this as true until it’s confirmed. Has there been any confirmation other than the Bill Shanks site?
@15
You actually bought the Peavy rumor? o.O
I don’t think I bought it, but there were many on this site who did. Nothing against those guys, just I would definitely prefer a confirmation. Do you buy this one?
Mac: Low-intensity questions for you…(1) Don’t know why I can’t “see” the video (I have the newest IE version and I got it b/c I couldn’t see the video with Firefox) or (2) why I get these crazy gravatar ads in the midst of the blog replies….other than that all’s well.
Love you, mean it. Really. Mean it.
David O’Brien:
OK, here’s the “BREAKING NEWS”: There is no breaking news, not on the Glavine front. I just got off the phone with his agent, and he assured me there has been NO OFFER made by the Braves, no formal discussions regarding potential dollars, etc. Only casual conversations in which they expressed that they’d like to have Tom back, but that’s it.
Mets haven’t made an offer because they’re waiting for Glavine to tell them whether he wants to work something out with Braves. Again, I’d be stunned if it’s not a two-year offer they make, similar to the one Mussina just got from Yanks ($23 mill for two years).
Right now, it a long way from Tom returning to Atlanta. Because as much as he wants to, if the Braves don’t make a competitive offer, and soon, it might quickly become unlikely. Mets have told Glavine they need an answer before the winter meetings, preferably by this weekend.
They need to know so they can go into the meetings in Orlando knowing whether they need to go all-out for Zito or someone else.
Now, why would the Braves be dragging their feet? Didn’t get anything on that from his agent, but I’d guess it’s because the Braves are trying to complete a trade to open up some payroll room or perhaps to open a spot in the rotation, or both. Giles? Likely, I’d say. Hudson? Still seems unlikely, to me, but perhaps not.
I just have a very strong belief that they’re trying to pull off a trade before they make a formal offer to Glavine.
One thing’s for sure: Anyone writing that it’s a done deal, or even that there’s been a formal offer, is giving you bad info.
“….but I’d guess it’s because the Braves are trying to complete a trade to open up some payroll room or perhaps to open a spot in the rotation, or both. Giles? Likely, I’d say. Hudson? Still seems unlikely, to me, but perhaps not.
I just have a very strong belief that they’re trying to pull off a trade before they make a formal offer to Glavine.”
Ken Rosenthal pretty much confirms:
The Braves appear unlikely to sign free-agent left-hander Tom Glavine unless they can trade right-hander Tim Hudson, whose salary will rise from $6 million next season to $13 million in both ’08 and ’09. Braves second baseman Marcus Giles also remains a candidate to be moved; he continue to generate significant trade interest despite the glut of second basemen on the free-agent market.
You can’t see the movie because YouTube is down, and Mac links to YouTube for all his open-thread movies.
The two posts above are what makes this site so good. You guys are checking enough sources that rumors are confirmed or denied almost immediately – even after midnight! Thanks!
Shanks has been right and he has been very wrong. I’ll see it when I believe it. O’brien at least talks to some of the principals. When he speculates its with some basis in fact.
The Good:
The Braves want Tom Glavine back. I can’t help myself here. We have some pitchers that could give us what Glavine has AVERAGED over his 4 years in NY if they pitch to their potential. But the sentimentality here is too strong. Glavine needs to finish as a Brave.
Tom Glavine wants to come back. But it would be hard to turn down 22 million dollars. He left us the last go round over years more than money so we’ll see.
The Bad:
If Tommy comes back and sucks, which is possible for a guy that will turn 41 this season we’ll look like suckers.
If we trade Giles and or one of the younger pitchers, even include Hudson in that to make salary room to get Tommy here, are we really building to get back and sustain success?
What doesn’t make sense to me about this is the assumption that the Braves would sign Glavine past 2007. I thought he was all set to retire after he wins #300, which would hopefully be this year.
So why the need to free up payroll space by trading Hudson and/or Giles? Surely the Braves can afford an $8 million deal this year, making Hudson’s $13m in ’07 irrelevant—not to mention Andruw’s money that is likely to be freed up.
No offer from the Braves.
http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/ajc/braves/entries/2006/11/29/no_braves_offer.html
Okay I’m really starting to get pissed off now. I dont really care if we make an offer to Glavine or not, but my question is if we havent even made an offer to Glavine what have we been doing. We havent traded Giles and almost everyone that has shown interest has gone another route. I’m really starting to doubt JS being able to make an significant moves anymore.
The good thing is that 41 year-old soft tossers with rubber arms are less likely to suck than, say, power pitchers whose leg drive has been putting stress on their back and knees since they were 16.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: I really hope we can bring Tommy back. Yes, it’s nostalgia, and I have no idea how he’ll do with our crappy defense, but my inner child really wants to see him get #300 in a Braves cap, just like he got the first two hundred.
The Braves ae samrt by waiting. If they wait until the weekend they won’t have to give the Mets draft picks. Plus, because there are no other teams involved, there won’t be a bidding war. I say we will move Giles in the first few days of the winter meetings and then turn around and offer Glavine a contract. By doing this we will force the Mets to over pay for Zito or another over rated pitcher.
Personally, I don’t mind waiting until we’ve got a trade done to make the offer. IIRC, last time a player agreed to a deal with us before we cleared salary, we were forced to trade a mid-line starter for a catching prospect that didn’t have much power. 😉
Slightly different situation, but still, let’s give JS a week and see if he can get everything done.
Smitty,
If Glavine knows that we are going to wait till the weekend, then thats ok. I’m worried that he is going to be insulted by JS’s offer, or blown away by the Mets offer. I dont know how JS works, but I get the feeling he’s not the easiest person to deal with.
If signing Gary Matthews jr. to a 50 million dollar deal is a significant move…..pass. Not trading Giles for 75 innings of a 30 year old reliever, I’m ok with that. The other guys that needed a second baseman didn’t have what we wanted obviously. I know that Giles is eventually a goner but to give him away is dumb. Waiting for Glavine to propose a salary before we go and offer him 8 mil just because sportswriters say thats what Smoltz makes…. smart. I’m ok with the inactivity. The longer we wait the more valuable some of our players with reasonable contracts become. Shoot the way things are going Hampton’s contract might be seen as a bargain in a couple of months. Nothing in this particular free agent class was worth paying for. I’m all for a trade as long as we get equal value to fill some of our holes. Unfortunately pitching is our hole along with the other 29 teams. I can imagine the firestorm of criticism if we don’t make any trades but sometimes the trade you don’t make is the best one.
I don’t see any connection between Smoltz’s contract and Glavine’s. Smoltz makes what he makes because the option was picked up on a deal he signed years ago. Glavine will make what a player of his caliber and performance last year deserves on the open market.
I still have doubts about Tommy’s sincerity in wanting to come back, but if he really does, the Braves would be idiots not to sign him. That would force to Mets to overpay for Zito who probably isn’t even as good as Tommy. Smoltz, Glavine, Hudson, Hampton, James would be a rotation that should carry the Braves back to the top of the division.
Trade Ramirez and Giles to save $$$ and send Davies back to AAA to prove he is the real deal.
With Smoltz and Andruw free agents after this year and Chipper getting older and frailer, this year is probably the Braves’ last best shot at another championship for the near future. They should go after it with everything they have instead of trying to stick within an arbitrary budget.
I am sure that if we are waiting to make a deal to make Glavine an offer, I am sure he knows that.
I am a Glavine fan, but it doesn’t say much for the organization if they end up with a rotation featuring two forty-year olds and a 34 year -old coming off arm surgery. Maybe this makes sense if JS thinks this is Smoltz’s last go around and that Andruw will be gone next year, ie, make one last shot at it before you have to rebuild. I’d love to see Tommy win his 300th in Atlanta, but I do wonder how much he really has left.
@#30
just parroting what I’ve read. That the offer to Glavine will be no more than Smoltz’s salary. My point is that Glavine may take less than that. I also think that he is sincere. In the current market he could make a lot more money by not limiting himself to just NY and Atlanta.
Trading Ramirez is going to be hard. Trading Giles and getting value is going to be harder.
Has anyone tried to log onto Baseball Primer today? Every time I’ve tried, I end up at a website for baseball equipment.
Mike Sherman to Bama a possibility?
A source close to Houston Texans assistant head coach/offense Mike Sherman indicated that he would be interested in the position if the Crimson Tide came calling. Previously, Sherman was the head coach of the Green Bay Packers (2000-05), guiding them to three division titles and five winning seasons. During that stint, Sherman turned down the head coach job at Nebraska, electing to stay in Green Bay. … Alabama has hired coaches with NFL experience before, including Gene Stallings, Ray Perkins and Mike Shula
Ten years ago I’d have said it’s crazy to trade someone like Giles for an upper-tier setup man — now I’m in full support of it. The reason is the self-imposed hard salary cap.
Back in the good old days, we fans could take a more blase attitude towards increasing payroll — it wasn’t our money (well, by extension it was, but you know…), so if a midseason ad hoc decision was made to add an extra $5 million or so for that extra push, nobody could possibly be against it.
But under present ownership, we have a hard ceiling that we reach every offseason, meaning that we have to actually LOOK at what we’re getting for what we’re spending. We haven’t done a great job of that so far — returns have been steadily diminishing. I submit that spending $6 million for what I believe we’d get from Giles would represent an additional diminishing return. That’s $6 million in unenlightened money.
But if we trade him for a good setup man and spend the remainder wisely, then that $6 million is working for us again. It’s not about Giles-for-Linebrink or whoever, and it never has been. It’s about having $6 million and spending it as best you can.
Giles for Crisp was mentioned on another board that shall remain nameless……(ahem mlb). I know its just a rumor, but I figure why not throw it out and see what others think on here…sorry if its been discussed before.
I just tried BBTF and got a “Domain Name expired” pop – maybe Furtado didn’t pay the bill om time.
I like the Giles for Crisp deal. Crisp will be very good in LF and can leadoff, he also has 3 or 4 years relatively cheap on his contract. Giles is an FA after 07. However, our main goal is pitching and more salary room and this trade doesnt do either. JS said a leadoff isnt a priority so I dont think it’ll happen. I think Crisp is a plus over any other option in LF that we have and is a better leadoff option in my opinion, but then we will have a drop off in infield defense and at the 2B position. I think its a wash
I would believe that leadoff isn’t a priority, since speed is overrated. Willy Aybar or Kelly Johnson would be a nice cheap alternative in a full season, and better than Coco Crisp, in my opinion.
I have high hopes for Aybar, not so much for Johnson. If speed is all we are looking for then Orr would be sufficient at 2B and leadoff. Outfield defense is great w/ Langy, but his bat holds him back
ESPN: Braves have made no offer to Glavine.
But for some reason, they neglect to tell you the Mets have not made an offer.
I had a good feeling about Glavine, but now I can just see Schuerholz’s turtle-like quickness the reason it all didn’t work.
Crisp will be very good in LF and can leadoff,
Giles= car .361 OBP, 341 last year
Crisp= car .329 OBP, 317 last year
Respectfully, no
#44 – I should have done some research before making that comment
Crisp – leadoff, batting 1st for career – .261 AVG .308 OBP….I’ll change my opinion, not a good trade in any aspect. Thanks Spike
Crisp battled the Boston fan base last year, ala Renteria, I’m not a proponent of a trade to get him by any means, just saying that his main experience came from Boston. He did bat some in Cleveland as a leadoff hitter, but was regulated to lower in the order when they felt Sizemore was better suited to leadoff.
@3 and 4,
I totally forgot about Hampton, I went to bed after I commented.
@45 You seem fixated on the speed at the top of the lineup thing. Orr? get real. At best he is the reserve reserve infielder.
The only thing Giles should be traded for is a pitcher or a deal that includes a pitcher.
@#37 I respect your analysis. And I agree to a point. This has been about payroll flexibility. This is the Braves thinking that they could get a good return value for an above average 2b, gaining some salary relief and using the teams in house options if not to actually replace Gile’s performance, then come close enough. But my the market has changed. 6 million apparently doesn’t get you anything this off season. Holding on to Giles if they can’t get equal value in return is smart.
what about Giles for Freel and Coffey
Schuerholz isn’t going to give Glavine a no-trade clause, so it might be over if this is really true:
Gregg Clifton, Glavine’s agent, said his client wants a no-trade clause in any deal, something Atlanta general manager John Schuerholz — who’d love to have Glavine back but only on the Braves terms — has never included in any contract for any player.
Clifton, who did not return calls yesterday seeking comment, has already said that if there isn’t a no-trade provision — something the Mets have already agreed to include — there’ll be no deal.
http://www.nj.com/mets/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/1164783359131360.xml&coll=1
I never thought this Glavine thing had legs. If they weren’t going to give a no-trade for A-Rod, they certainly aren’t going to do it for Glavine. And the thing is, one of the reasons to sign Glavine would be to potentially move him if the Braves are out of contention. That would be a way to get some prospects. If you can’t trade him, though, and the team struggles, you are stuck with an aging pitcher.
Why dose Glavine need a no trade clause? He is a 10-5 guy
Smitty, the 5 part of the 10 and 5 means 5 CONSECUTIVE years of service with a club.
@#50 Posturing on the part of the agent. He and Glavine have to know that the Braves don’t do no trade clauses. But I’m with you …. Glavine is a Met next year.
@51 – If the Braves sign Glavine, I’d doubt they’d trade him. He has meant too much to the franchise to let him walk away…..again. But who knows, I guess its possible, but I would think JS could do a handshake agreement where Glavine could be traded, but only to a team of his liking if the Braves were eliminated.
@49 – What about Brandon Phillips? With Gonzalez now at SS, Encarnacion at 3B, and possibly Adam Dunn at 1B (depending upon the rest of the off-season) there would be no room for Giles, hince no reason the Reds make that move.
I would like to see a run at Bill Hall, who seemingly has no place in Milwaukee. Offering some young pitching or HoRam would be a good trade in my mind.
I would love to get bill hall, he can play a bit of outfield, second, third, and short. He would be well worth it.
Sorry, I included the web page in the wrong thing. Here’s an article on Bill Hall. http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/whither-bill-hall/
Bill Hall would be nice but I thought that we needed pitching.
We have pitching….we just want better pitching.
HoRam would be a 2 or a 3 in the Brewers rotation. It would make sense, they have plenty of infielders so its not like they would completely miss Hall. He could start at second for us, we could trade Giles or whatever. I really would like to have Bill Hall. He’s like Chone Figgins but much better and helluva lot more power.
Heres the Braves’ website version which looks like posturing more than it does information:
http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20061129&content_id=1747297&vkey=news_atl&fext=.jsp&c_id=atl
The Braves would certainly trade Glavine if they are out of contention. JS would have to have that flexibility–especiallly with the salary cap which has defined his options over the last few years.
Counsell to BrewCrew….Giles to San Diego?
ATL- Linebrink
SD- Giles
They kinda have to now, unless they trade him to Boston for Mark Loretta(is he a FA, I can’t remember?)
Then we could do this:
ATL- Bill Hall
MIL- HoRam
Milwaukee has plenty of infielders now, and they could use some decent starting pitching, I think it makes sense for both sides.
Just a rough look at what we could be seeing next year. I like it alot…much better than this year.
Starters:
Smoltz
Glavine
Hudson
Hampton
James
Bullpen:
Villarreal
Linebrink
Poranto
McBride
Yates
Cormier
Boyer
Lineup:
2B-Hall
SS-Renteria
3B-Jones
CF-Jones
1B-LaRoche
C-McCann
RF-Frenchy
LF-Langy/Diaz/Thorman/Johnson
god, I hate Primer being down..
have no idea what to do with this internet thing.
If Bill Hall has a hard time cracking the Brewers line up, what makes him such a good fit for us?
@62
So… trade a 35-homer guy straight up for an inconsistent starter who can’t be a reliever? Yeah, they’d go for that. LOL
@65
35 homers last season, that’s what.
He was behind two very good prospects in Rickie Weeks and JJ Hardy. He got playing time when Hardy went down. And the Brewers got Koskie to play third so there wasnt really anyplace for him to play. The reason why he is such a good fit for us is 1) he plays pretty good defense 2) he can hit including power 3) he can play 2B, 3B, SS and outfield….all well 4)he’s probably cheaper than Giles
Jay, not to pick on you, but i’m pretty sure Wickman will be in next year’s pen.
Damnit….How could I forget Wickamania.
I meant to put Closer…hahahaha
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/scorecard/11/29/truth.rumors.mlb/index.html
Wow, the Braves haven’t made an offer to Glavine. What a surprise.
Anyone looking for a job in MLB? I thought this MLB-Monster site was interesting.
http://click.mlb.com/ct/click?q=79-rsMHIEBo9mEicyQm3v_y0M8DU4Ho
Justin Gatlin in the NFL?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2679967
@62
Jay, I thought Loretta signed with the Rangers as a free agent.
Phillies back out of talks w/ Borowski
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2680157
this was someone’s post at MLb trade rumors….its very unlikely
giles langerhans & h.ramirez to blue jays for r. johnson and b.league
Baseball Think Factory IP address:
http://66.197.210.165/
I don’t know how well posting, etc. will work.
I don’t see why the Braves would want Reed Johnson. He had a nice year last year but it’s completely out of whack with the rest of his career, and he’s about to turn 30, and he’s a lot more expensive than Langerhans.
@75
I couldn’t remember if he head filed for Free Angecy or not, I thought he had but wasn’t 100% sure. Thanks for clearing that up. 🙂
He is a free agent, but he hasn’t signed with the Rangers.
I have a conspiracy theory:
The Braves have offered Glavine a contract, and Glavine has agreed. Glavine, quoted on MLB.com, said he’ll make his decision by this Sunday. So what is really happening is he is just waiting until after the arbitration deadline, that way the Mets won’t get any draft picks.
It’s genius I say.
@82
That would be REALLY funny.
Brave Old World?
At Scout.com, Bill Shanks is reporting that Tom Glavine’s decision to return to Atlanta is close to being consummated, and that he’s close to signing deal “that sources say…will be in the $7-$8 million area and could also include some type of option for the 2008 season.”
Knowing Shanks’ work, it’s a good bet that this is close to happening. However, I am also told that Glavine will wait to see if the Mets whiff on Zito.
http://www.gothambaseball.com/news/1164829827.php
@82
Stranger things have happened. It sure would explain a lot of the smoke and mirrors going on around the perimeter of this “potential” deal.
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?slug=ap-miami-mpccomputersbowl&prov=ap&type=lgns
Shula to Bama?
@ 86
Shula to Miami?
http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/hall/newfullstory.asp?ID=109271
This is really absurd. Clifton said Schuerholz told him he wanted Glavine back, but Schuerholz’s slowness might cost of us Glavine. Why does he just sit around and twiddle his thumbs? If you want Glavine, Schuerholz, pick up the telephone and call, if not, call still and tell them so we can all move on. Make an offer already.
I think Schuerholz is trying to make a deal to clear room for Glavine. I can’t think of another reason why the Braves would not make an offer to a good but desperate-to-come-home pitcher.
JC earlier I had asked why teams back load contracts. You’re the PHD in Economics, any thoughts?
I want Tommy back but until I actually see it I won’t believe it.
I don’t understand the theory behind waiting until a deal is made.
For 2007: You’d think the Braves could afford Tom Glavine right now, even after factoring in all 2006 salaries.
For a possible 2008 season: Andruw’s money comes off (assuming he isn’t re-signed), which balances out Hudson’s bump and any money Glavine would have coming to him–whether it’s guaranteed or through an option.
Maybe the Brave’s are waiting for Glavine to make a proposal first. Clifton has again decided to start negotiations via the press. Schuerholz only divulges these things in his books.
Did you add in Hampton’s salary? Arb-eligible players? I don’t think they can afford Glavine without making room, and they don’t have room in their rotation anyway, making it harder to get a good deal for HoRam because GMs would know JS has to dump him…I mean, they all know that now, which explains the hold-up. If JS is serious about this, it’s a matter of what we can get for HoRam now. And please don’t tell me we’re getting Bill Hall.
@ 88
Come on, are you actually going to believe everything that a player’s agent says? Seriously.
I’m not a Ph.D in economics, but I assume the reason teams backload contracts is related to the time value of money,ie, a dollar spent in five years is worth less than one spent today. So, pying lower salaries now and higher salaries later makes sense financially, although it may not in terms of baseball. The problem is that only makes sense if you assume the payroll will also be higher in later years so that the higher backend salary comprises the same or less as a percentage. If it doesn’t increase, as the Braves payroll has, you are screwed. But I will leave it up to the real economists as to whether my thesis is correct.
@95 Marc, sounds good to me. I guess that you’d have to factor in the assumption that revenue’s will increase over time too. And that the price of talent will increase as well. See this year. What kills me is that teams will backload contracts well into a player’s decline years.
I’m gonna go out on a limb and make a dumb prediction. Clifton is posturing. The Braves have never seriously wanted Tommy back at least not under the conditions he gave the team. What will come out after Tom signs with the Mets is that he asked for too much. Lets guess here. Braves want to pay 6 which with the 3 the Mets would pay him as an option buy out puts him at 9.
Clifton/Glavine want the Braves to pay 8 with an option for next season and a trade protection clause that will pay if Glavine is traded mid season. Not a no trade right? Any way I’m pulling a Shanks now and just making crap up.
Johnny, I think you are right. I think most of the interest in Glavine is being generated by Braves fans and by Glavine’s agent. I’m not convinced JS wants Glavine except on his terms. Why tie yourself to an aging pitcher with a contract that might prevent you improving the team for future years. My guess is Glavine goes back to the Mets unless he REALLY wants to play in Atlanta. And while he would probably prefer to play in Atlanta, I doubt that it’s the number one factor. And, from his standpoint, if they can trade him anyway, why bother?
The weird thing is, Schuerholz almost never makes gangbusters midseason trades anyway. So why bug out about a no-trade clause on a one- or two-year deal, except for tradition’s sake?
AAR,
Because, in this case, he thinks the Braves may not be in contention and Glavine would be a nice part to dangle in front of someone. He could bring a lot to a team that needs a veteran starter to make a playoff run–say the Yankees, for example. He would probably be easier to trade than, say, Andruw Jones.
@99
Well, sheesh, if it’s that obvious that we probably won’t contend, lets just rebuild. Make the Atlanta fair-weather fans find out what it’s REALLY like to have a losing team.
@100 Sam do you recall the 80’s Braves? I do and I know what its like to follow a perenially losing team. With Jones/Jones/Smoltz/McCann/LaRoche (at least last season’s Adam)/Giles(?)/Hudson/Renteria core is around you have something to build around. Add the potential that James, Francouer and Davies have and you can contend in the weak NL. And as we saw last season anything can happen once the post season starts. When you think about it every starting field position is set except Left field and even if we trade Giles we have at least 2 options there. Even our pitching as bad as it is is better than a lot of teams. We have at least 3 potentially quality starters and two youngsters with some success in the majors. So:
This is where I respectfully disagree with Mr. Schnieder. Schuerholz knows we can contend but he knows that giving out no trades even to club icons that will only be there for a short time is bad business and sets a precedent for future negotiations. Say like next season when you are trying to re sign Andruw Jones. In addition to me thinking that Glavine has made a proposal to the Braves I also think that for Schuerholz he is not what he had in mind when he said he wanted to acquire pitching. In other words Glavine is plan B. This is a stare down. Clifton is posturing in the press putting the onus on the Braves. The Braves know what Tommy wants and they aren’t going to give it to him. By making no offer they are essentially daring him to go back to the Mets. I am betting that if Glavine doesn’t soften his demands he will not even get a sniff from the Braves. Boy I’m really out there in National Enquirer territory here. Next thing I’ll be saying that an alien space ship has whispered in my ear that we’ve acquired Jake Peavey for Pete Orr and Horacio Ramirez. 🙂
I don’t pretend to know what the hell is going on with Glavine, so wake me when it’s sorted.
However, I tend to believe that the Braves will contend in some fashion next year. A lot of things went wrong last summer, especially in one 25-game stretch, so I’ll mark 2006 up to karmic payback (as Chipper seemed to do).
With pitching, anyone can contend & I don’t think Glavine’s quite finished. With our offense, he doesn’t have to be a “#1 pitcher,” just a guy who keeps us in games & he’ll contribute. I kinda hope we get him back.
Thats all I’m doing is pretending to know something. I don’t know Jack. Just making crap up. Amatuer psycho analysis.
I’d like Glavine to come back.
John Donovan at cnnsi.com wrote, after discussing Manny Ramirez to the Padres for Peavy and Linebrink, that “The talk about a three-way deal with the Braves, with All-Star center fielder Andruw Jones landing in Boston, won’t die.” Of course I’ve heard the rumors of Andruw to Boston or Peavy/Linebrink to the Braves, but I hadn’t seen those connected before.
Andruw is a 10 and 5, Andruw is a 10 and 5, Andruw is a 10 and 5,
Andruw is a 10 and 5.
Kills me. Donoavan, Rosenthal, et al. Actually get paid to make shit up. Man, should have gotten a journalism degree.
The thing with romors like that is where there is smoke there is fire. I wouldn’t doubt if one of the sides did make that offer or they told Rosenthal that they are going to make that offer to try and see what the other teams do.
Teams backload contracts for all sorts of reasons. One being is that they don’t have the money now, but plan to later. Of course, this means the player has to be guaranteed more to compensate for less now. Sometimes tax considerations are important. Players like to have payments split up for that reason. Also, if there is an expectations that revenues will grow, you will want to pay more later rather than now. And GMs like to have the good players now (but still have a big budget) and let their successor deal with a big contract later. I bet there are several other reasons, as well.
That wouldn’t be the worst deal the Braves could make
Backloading also leaves open the possibility of restructuring down the road.
Speaking of backloading, I recently found out that Scarlett Johanson’s mom is Jewish. Happiest 5 minutes of my life.
That woman’s back is LOADED, if you know what I mean.
BREAKING NEWS – UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA HIRES HEAD FOOTBALL COACH
Univ. of Alabama-Birmingham names Pat Sullivan head football coach.
More to come later.
LSU to the Rose Bowl?
I don’t really disagree with you, Johnny. I’m not saying that the Braves are inevitably going to struggle. In the NL, especially, you can’t really say they can’t contend. I’m just saying it makes no sense to give Glavine a no trade because why foreclose your options for a 40 year old pitcher who is, realistically, past his prime. For example, what if one of the young arms, say Davies, really develops, it might still make sense to be able to trade Glavine for help. The point is, a team with a limited payroll does not need to be tying itself up more. I would like to see Glavine come back under the right circumstances, but not if it is going to retard the development of the team post-2007.
Johnny, don’t you think that if a team acquiring Andruw (say Boston) was willing to give him a long term extension as part of a deal, that he would consider accepting it. Just because he is a 10-5 doesn’t mean we CAN’T trade him, it just makes it more difficult. I think (speculating here) that his primary concern is going to a team for just THIS season, and then hitting the free agent market to find a third team for next year. If the team trading for him gave him a long term deal-especially in this market, and why wouldn’t they considering they would be giving up a lot for a 1 year rental)-than I think he would agree simply because he would come to the conclusion that there is a great chance its going to happen next year anyway (him leaving that is).
Sorry, only ranting because I would like to believe that if we could really improve the team for the future by trading Andruw now, we would be able to.
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Andruw might be a 10 and 5, but he knows damn well the Braves won’t be able to re-sign him.
Wryn please, you left something out.
UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA (at Birmingham) HIRES HEAD FOOTBALL COACH Pat sullivan. Watson Brown was moved to AD for some reason. They should have gotten rid of both
@101
No, I never even saw them, but I guess I was just angry in suggesting that.
As another of the old fogie group here that was a big fan of those ’80s Braves…they were awful…..almost KC Royals awful…but they were fun to watch. Our current collection of players is a contending team. Someone else here said that if you took away that 25 game stretch, we would have been in the WC hunt. With Wickman, even if he has an “off” year, say a 3.50 era season, its way better than anything we had during that stretch….we’ll be ok, this is a contending team, Glavine would be a really nice fit.
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alb, Ok. but you have to understand that his right to refuse to be traded makes ‘more difficult’ virtually impossible.
Looking at it from a potential trading partner’s point of view:
Am I going to give up 2 very good pitchers for Andruw Jones? AND sign him to a long term contract for huge dollars? The guy is a very very good player but he isn’t Albert Pujols good.
@115 Your point?
… I guess there is no coherent point, is there?
Draft pick city and Ryan Langerhans in center, here we come.
Johnny, fair enough. However, if your that same trading partner, and you intend to make a play for Jones next year anyway, I think getting him a year earlier (for his production this year, and a long term deal expiring earlier) is worth the prospects. Especially if you factor in that you keep him off the market and away from other teams next winter (aka NYY, LAA, LAD, CWS). By taking away the bidding war I’d also guess you’d get him “cheaper”, if such as thing really exists right now.