Tribulations of a Data Nerd producing “Content”
So watching JR Ritchie‘s awesome debut, I thought I’d try and create some interesting statistic from the Retrosheet database. When he gave up a homer to his first batter faced, I knew that was too obvious a focal point, and sure enough it has been discussed in several places, and there’s a webpage (which hasn’t yet been updated as of this afternoon) devoted to this “feat.”
But when Carlos Carrasco came in to finish up the game, I furiously went off to write the code about the largest age differences between winning pitchers and saving pitchers. I did it, I got a result (Ritchie/Carrasco are 338th) but then realized Carrasco couldn’t earn a save in this game. Nerdery thwarted.
However, there is something maybe worthwhile for a Braves Journal audience. The largest age discrepancy between a winning pitcher and saving pitcher was earned on September 22, 1931. In that game, the 20-year old Van Lingle Mungo won at Sportsman’s Park in St. Louis against the Brooklyn Robins (they were still dodging trolleys, but they were nicknamed for their manager Wilbert Robinson for 18 years. How great would if have been if the Braves had been named the Cocks? Or even the Snits?) in a game saved by the 47-year old Jack Quinn, a 27.9 year difference in age between the winning and saving pitcher. (Quinn’s an interesting character. Despite his Irish name, he was Slovakian and at one time held the record both for the oldest guy to win a game and for the oldest guy ever to homer, records which were broken by Jamie Moyer and Julio Franco. He is still the oldest player ever to start either a World Series game or on Opening Day.) The next two on the list go the other way in 1984, when the 45-year old Phil Niekro got wins for the Indians, both saved by 19-year old José Rijo.
But of course the real thing that brings out is the most famous baseball-themed jazz song, Van Lingle Mungo, a Dave Frishberg classic that if you don’t know it, has lyrics that consist in their entirety of baseball players, mostly from the 40’s. And no, Talkin’ Baseball, pleasant though it is, is not jazz, and is, at its best, an Easy Listening homage to Van Lingle Mungo.
Anyway, this is how screwups lead you to produce “content” despite yourself.
The Game
Philadelphia, reeling, comes to Unincorporated Cobb County. Not to get all Shakespearean (well, maybe a little Shakespearean) I am taken back to Mrs. Warren’s 6th grade English class, in which we were given a short-ish verse to memorize every week. I can still recite a very few of these by heart, but they mostly serve today to allow me to Google them and cite them appropriately (or inappropriately — I don’t really care.)
At some point there in 1968, our task for the week was to memorize a passage from Julius Caesar including the following famous lines spoken by Julius Caesar:
Let me have men about me that are fat,
Sleek-headed men and such as sleep a-nights.
Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look,
He thinks too much; such men are dangerous.
As Caesar learned, his qualms were well-taken. I’d much rather face a Phillies team convinced it is the Gas House Gang than one in the throes of sniping over age and finger-pointing. And as I type this at 6 PM EST, I have no idea which way this series is going to go. Maybe the Phillies are preparing to throw in their rally towels. But I wouldn’t count on it in April. Such teams are dangerous.
It turns out I needn’t have worried — at least for game 1. It was Andrew Painter against Sherlocks, and because I have relatives visiting I didn’t get to see much of it, but what I saw was still a Phillies team that is struggling and a Braves team that can come back from behind with a three-run late inning when they need it. The rumors of Michael Harris II quad injury were apparently disinformation directed at the AppleTV announcers, because he hit a pinch-hit double in the bottom of the 6th that gave the Braves the lead. He was removed then for a pinch-runner, but if he is able to generate a double on command for the rest of the season we probably don’t need him to do anything else.
The Phillies weren’t completely feckless: Trea Turner and Bryce Harper homered for the Phillies three runs. They had eight other hits in the game, but only scattered singles after the Braves took the lead in the 6th. They are still a dangerous team who isn’t at the moment acting very dangerous. Timing is everything and if we can sneak through a win in this series we will have gotten them at just the right time.
Zack Wheeler returns tomorrow night from thoracic outlet surgery. I would have thought they’d have waited to let him start the season against a sympathetic home crowd. But they may not think they have the leeway to do so. Such men are dangerous.

I imagine Hoyt Wilhelm is part of a pair that’s somewhere high up in your age discrepancy list, Jonathan, maybe with Mike McQueen? Satchel Paige too, depending on which of his many reported birthdates you use.
Both are up there: Hoyt Wilhelm saved a Pedro Borbon win in 1969 (24.3 year age difference) at which point Wilhelm saves are all over the rankings, and Satchel Paige won a game saved by Don Larsen in 1953 which is in 12th place (just over 23 years, assuming Paige was born in 1906).
Listened to the game on the radio, since I just paid for Peacock a few days ago and wasn’t about to subscribe to another streaming service. This kind of thing is so alienating.
Anyway, it’s uncanny how Ben Ingram sounds so much like Johnny Carson. He could do Karnak and nobody would know the difference.
27 games is 1/6 the season exactly so we can say we are on pace for exactly 114 wins, but to be honest it won’t surprise me if we only get 112 due to rain outs
Pray for some rainouts: south Georgia’s burning.
Letting Turner and Harper HR and winning is a good sign; letting Turner and Harper HR is a bad sign. Turner and Harper have burned us so many times.
This team is doing great. I just can’t imagine how much better (or if better) when Strider, Murphy, Iglesias, and Kim come back. Maybe Lopez will go to IL; Holmes (or Lopez) should go to bullpen. Carrasco and Payamps/J. Suarez should go (Dodd still has options but would be a better choice than J. Suarez). Our worst player has been Yaz. We still have a LF problem…. I imagine Heim and Mateo will go when Murphy and Kim come back. I hope we can keep some of those guys at Gwinnett. Heim may stick since Leon is gone. If all of those guys get DFA’d, we’ll get 4 spots on the 40-man.
Second that on Yaz. He is past his “buy by” date.
When Kim and Murphy return, I’d expect Mateo to stick around and for Farmer to be DFA’d instead. Farmer has a grand total of 7 PAs this year and, to be completely honest, I often forget that he’s even on the roster. Mateo, on the other hand, has been good offensively (though he’s massively over-performing his xwOBA) and has played solid defense at SS.
Having long cold streaks is pretty standard for Yaz. When you’re a career .230 hitter, you don’t have to be much below baseline to hit .190 for a month. Good chance he has a .280 month with 6 bombs pretty soon. I hoped he would flourish in our park, but if he just hits his career norms, he is good enough.
This is my favorite monologue from Julius Caesar:
What a start to the season. Things are going so well (and so poorly for the Phillies) right now that Bummer and Payamps each pitched a full inning with a 2 run lead last night, and it worked! That’s almost disrespectful.
Reinforcements are indeed coming but also imagine if our star RF remembers how to hit…
RAJ did hit quite a bomb last night.
Good to get at the Phils when they’re less than Phightin’… we won’t see them again until September when they’ll either be dangerous or, hopefully, less than interested.
Ha, of course I complain about him after he actually homers. Hopefully that gets his power going. I don’t have AppleTV so I guess “in play, runs” didn’t stick in my memory as much as if I’d seen it live.
Turner/Schwarber/Harper get us every time. When are the coaches/managers going to learn? Who cares if we have the fewest walks in the league if the ones we do issue come at the worst times?
Phils have 6 runs and Harper has 4 RBIs. Turner/Schwarber/Harper scored 3 runs.
What a crap bullpen performence on top of a great Elder start.
The silver lining here is Suarez is making the bullpen roster decision easy for whoever was on the fence about him vs Perez
ha, yup. sure is.
I guess the good Suarez was unavailable tonight? In any case, credit our first blown save of the season to Eli White. WTF dude?
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