Game 2 is coming at us live in a few hours which means it’s game thread time! Before we get to the lineup, let’s take a look at the news of the day:
Replacing Charlie Morton
For me, this is a little surprising considering the Astros don’t hit RHP as well as LHP, but it’s so minimal that it’s likely fair to just go with the better arm. I’m guessing Tucker Davidson is here in case he’s really needed more than a starter for Game 4.
Eddie Rosario and Jorge Soler swap spots due to handedness and the rest looks the same. I like this call for the Braves.
Without further delay, here’s Dusty!
NLCS MVPs and LVPs
It is so much more fun to write one of these after a series win, and the Braves gave us a thrilling win and exorcised some Dodger demons in the process. Now time to get some revenge for 2004 and 2005 and Roger Clemens will not be coming out of the bullpen nor will Chris Burke be on the Astros bench. For a bit of a primer for how I come up with these lists, Iâ€™m starting with cWPA which in its most basic sense measures the cumulative effect each player has on his teamâ€™s chance of winning the World Series. There are some limitations as cWPA only really measures what each hitter does and doesnâ€™t measure defense or baserunning, and for pitchers, again there is really no accounting for the defense behind you. Also, timing is everything. A first inning homer in a tie game may add 10% to your teamâ€™s chance of winning that game, whereas a walkoff homer in the 9th could add 50% or more to your teamâ€™s odds depending on the circumstances. All of those caveats aside, I still think cWPA and WPA are the best way to put into context what actually happened in a given series. They arenâ€™t predictive stats, they are historic stats. Also, I agree with the sentiment that it is a bit harsh to give out LVPs for a monumental series win, but I still think itâ€™s useful to dissect who came up big and who didnâ€™t. For me it isnâ€™t about assigning blame, but about ranking the performance from most helpful to least helpful.
Before I get to the top 10 lists, Iâ€™ll say that while I wanted to keep these lists to just players, a ton of credit goes to Snitker and the entire coaching staff (especially Wash) for supporting the players and putting them in the position and the mindset to win. Also a special thanks to the Giants and the Cardinals (gag) for pushing LA to the brink, and thanks to Dave Roberts or whoever was making the calls to burn out the Dodgers starters through overuse and through putting them in situations they hadnâ€™t been in all year. The Braves kept their players in roles they were used to, and it paid off big time.
Ladies and gents, the LVPs counting down from 10 to 1:
10) Freddie Freeman (-0.05 WPA, -1.2% cWPA) – You know the Braves had a good series when Freeman cracked the top 10 LVPs. It was actually between Freeman and Fried here. Freddieâ€™s series is a good example of why timing is everything when it comes to WPA. Most of Freddieâ€™s damage in the series came in the two losses or so early in the game, it was still a low leverage situation. Freeman had several high leverage opportunities (bases loaded in game 3 where he flew out to end the rally comes to mind) and didnâ€™t really capitalize on any of them. Still played great first base and had a key scoop in game 6 on Rileyâ€™s short hop to save an error. Also to be on the LVP list with a 1.063 OPS is hard to do. Iâ€™m confident he will be on the other list for the next series.
9) Ozzie Albies (-0.14 WPA, -1.7% cWPA) – You can see why itâ€™s a tough task to pick out LVPs for a winning series. Almost everyone contributed something and Ozzie, to his credit, scored 7 of the Braves 28 NLCS runs. He also went 7-25, walked twice, and played solid defense. Pretty much anytime he got on base, he scored including hitting a single and stealing second ahead of Rileyâ€™s walk off in Game 1, not to mention advancing Rosario to 3rd in the first inning of Game 1, which allowed Eddie to score on a wild pitch. He was also part of the game tying rally in Game 2 off of Urias, driving in Rosario (though not taking second which almost cost us) and scoring on Rileyâ€™s double. Came up empty a few times in high leverage spots and only 1 XBH in the series, but also stole 2 bases.
8) Guillermo Heredia (-0.05 WPA, -0.7% cWPA) – Had two ABâ€™s in Game 2 and took an 0â€™fer though he did groundout weakly enough to move Dansby to 2nd for Rosarioâ€™s eventual walk off. Made a bad play on the bloop from Taylor allowing the Dodgers to take a 4-2 lead in Game 2.
7) Orlando Arcia (-0.06 WPA, -1.0% cWPA) – Two relatively low leverage PH appearances but went 0-2. I suppose he is the only competent backup to Dansby, so he needs to stay on the roster, unless you think Adrianza or Camargo could fake it in case of injury. Otherwise, it seems like this or Camargoâ€™s spot could go to a 3rd catcher, Gore or another pitcher. Especially with the DH for up to 4 games, it seems another pitcher would be smart.
6) Johan Camargo (-0.06 WPA, -1.0% cWPA) – Still hitless with the big club this year. I have always had a soft spot for Camargo as he shares a birthday with my 7 year old daughter and has been her favorite player since she learned this a few years ago. Went 0-4 and seemed to be the first or second choice off the bench for Snitker. I would keep him and drop Arcia, but his performance hasnâ€™t warranted it to this point. How cool would getting your first hit of the year in a key WS game be though?
5) Jacob Webb (+0.01 WPA, +0.2% cWPA) – Iâ€™m diverging from WPA here a bit. Webb earned some positive marks for his work in Game 2. He walked Taylor to lead off the inning in the 6th, who stole second and went to 3rd on a sac fly from Bellinger. Webb battled back to get a huge K from Pollock, before giving way to Matzek who struck out Pujols to end the threat. Webb also gave up 4 runs in an inning in game 5 when the game was already pretty much out of reach. Hard to count the garbage time against him too much and the Braves will need him against Houston as they have to find a reliable righty or two.
4) Adam Duvall (-0.05 WPA, -0.6% cWPA) – Duvall looked lost for most of this series at the plate going 4-21 with 1 walk (intentional) and 9 Kâ€™s. All of his productivity came in the game 3 loss and in the game 4 win (solo homer and a sac fly in a 9-2 win). In Atlanta, Soler should probably be getting starts over Duvall unless he finds the groove in Houston.
3) Chris Martin (-0.11 WPA, -1.2% cWPA) – Martin looked like his old self with a clean inning in Game 2 and that wound up being key in a 1-run game, so hard to knock him too much, but he tried to let the Dodgers back in it Game 4, sticking the double grybo, allowing both Smylyâ€™s runners to score and leaving the score at the dreaded 5-2. Also allowed one of Maxâ€™s runners to score and helped the Dodgers put the game out of reach, giving up Taylorâ€™s second homer of the game in Game 5. If Martin stays on the roster, he needs to be a clean inning guy.
2) Dansby Swanson (-0.32 WPA, -5.7% cWPA) – It wasnâ€™t as bad as cWPA indicates and Dansby deserves extra credit for making that play on the last out of the series, but Swanson had a pretty rough series at the plate. 6-23 wasnâ€™t horrible, but the 6 hits were all singles, no walks, only 1 RBI and 0 runs. Also, like Duvall, several non competitive at bats. Itâ€™d be nice to see Dansby get back to being patient as he seemed to chase much more than usual in this series. Did score the winning run in Game 2, but that was a result of being on base after the failed sacrifice attempt against Graterol.
1) Luke Jackson (-1.00 WPA, -16.5% cWPA) – This one was clear cut Iâ€™m afraid. As he said in the interview, the Dodgers are his daddy. Luke had a nice, clean inning in Game 1 which allowed for the eventual Atlanta walk off, but then allowed the pop up to Taylor to score Matzekâ€™s 2 runs in Game 2 (not entirely his fault), followed by the crushing 3 run HR to Bellinger in Game 3 on an impossible pitch to hit out. Luke finished his series by abandoning the fastball and letting LA tee off on the slider, allowing 3 baserunners, a run and almost the game in Game 6. Hereâ€™s hoping it was just a Dodgers thing and Luke finds his way back onto the other list for the World Series.
And the NLCS MVPs counting down from 10-1:
10) Ehire Adrianza (-0.11 WPA, -1.2 cWPA) – Again WPA doesnâ€™t tell the whole story here. While Adrianza was only 1-6 in the series, that one hit is probably not given enough credit given what followed. The double in Game 6 added 4% to the probability of a Braves win that game, but based on the decision to pull Anderson there and the HR which followed (which added 26%) by Rosario, letâ€™s just say if Ehire didnâ€™t get a hit when he did, thereâ€™s no telling how that game would have gone.
9) Travis dâ€™Arnaud (-0.03 WPA, 0.2% cWPA) – Travis has struggled at the plate no question, but his hits have been timely. The Game 2, 9th inning lead off hit off of Graterol allowed for the eventual winning run to be scored. His hit ahead of Ardianza in Game 6 allowed Travis to score his only run of the series on Rosarioâ€™s HR. His game calling didnâ€™t seem as sharp as the Brewers series, but the Dodgers hitters basically make the Brewers seem like an AAA squad. In both series, he has done a great job blocking balls in the dirt, but a pretty lousy job at controlling the running game.
8) Joc Pederson (0.04 WPA, 0.8% cWPA) – Joctober carried on, at least for the first few games of the NLCS. Joc had a momentum-shifting, game-tying 2-run homer off of Scherzer in Game 2 and was a key part of the rally against Buehler in Game 3. Went largely silent after that. I assume Atlanta-area jewelers will disagree with my low ranking of Joc as he has helped move some pearl necklaces.
7) Ian Anderson (0.05 WPA, 1.3% cWPA) – Other than the early homer to Seagar in Game 2, Anderson was really solid and probably deserved a longer leash. Over two starts, he only made it through 7IP allowing only 6 hits and 3 runs on 6 Kâ€™s. Would like to see him work deeper against Houston, but you also have to note that the Braves won both of Andersonâ€™s starts and he was up against Scherzer and Buehler.
6) Drew Smyly (0.10 WPA, 1.9% cWPA) – Easy to overlook the job that Smyly did coasting through 3 innings in Game 4 after not pitching in weeks. He left a couple of baserunners that Martin politely allowed to score in the 5th inning. He saved the rest of the pen from having to overwork and kept the Braves in the game.
5) Will Smith (0.38 WPA, 6.1% cWPA) – What an incredible turn around. At this point, other than Matzek, there is no one Iâ€™d rather have on the mound. Will pitched 4 scoreless innings allowing only 2 baserunners. Just sad that the rest of the country isnâ€™t getting the full Will Smith Experience, but Iâ€™ll take it.
4) A.J. Minter (0.34 WPA, 6.1% cWPA) – Smith and Minter were pretty equal based on WPA, but I gave the edge to Minter since he threw 2 more innings. Just lights out and glad he has earned back Snitkerâ€™s trust. The 2 inning bridge to Matzek in Game 6 was extraordinary. In all A.J. threw 6 innings of 2 hit, 2 walk (one intentional) 0 run, 8 K ball. Thatâ€™ll play.
3) Austin Riley (0.65 WPA, 10.6% cWPA) – Pretty impressive for only batting .200 (5-25) in the series. Austin played great defense again, but added some extremely timely hits all at Truist Park. Austin actually went 0-13 in LA, but in Game 1 he had a game-tying homer and a walk off single, in Game 2 he walked ahead of Jocâ€™s game-tying homer, and added his own game-tying double, and in Game 6 Riley drove in the gameâ€™s first run with a ground rule double. Again timing is everything.
2) Tyler Matzek (0.65 WPA, 12.4% cWPA) – I have seen several arguing for Matzek to be the MVP and I am not unsympathetic to this position. Remember, I named him the MVP of the NLDS over the Brewers. Matzek was tough as nails, and really never gave any reason to feel concerned. Tyler pitched in every game but game 5 and the only runs on his ledger show why reliever ERA is an unreliable stat. He walked Betts in an epic 10 pitch battle and after Betts stole second and Matzek got two outs, he was told to IBB Will Smith before giving way to Luke who promptly hit Justin Turner and allowed the bloop hit to charge 2 runs to Matzek. Also, in that same game, Matzek bailed out Webb with a runner on 3rd and 2 out but striking out Pujols. One final note on Matzek, I thought his battles with Betts were a real highlight of the series. Betts did get the one walk, but in the other 4 ABs he popped out to Freddie twice and struck out swinging twice.
1) Eddie Rosario (1.10 WPA, 18.8% cWPA) – As much as I love the job Matzek did and his whole story, the MVP is clearly Rosario to me. 14-25 (no other Brave had more than 7 hits) 6 runs, 5 XBH, 3 HR, 9 RBI, 1SB, 3 BB only 3 Ks. Scored a key run in Game 1, 4 hits and the walk off in Game 2, 4 hits in the Game 4 win and the dagger 3 run homer in Game 6. What a find and what a performance.
Yeah, these are pretty clear cut IMO, at least in terms of the winners.
MVP is Rosario, with a hat tip to Matzek. If Rosario had not had the game he had in Game 4 and we still had won (very possible), I could see an argument for Matzek. Being the offensive star in three of the four wins is just too much to not give him the award, though, IMO.
LVP is Jackson, and honestly I think he’s the LVP of the whole NLCS, like over any of the Dodgers even (unless I can give it to Dave Roberts). Julio Urias would be close, I suppose. Anyway, I’m very glad he seemed to get back on the beam last night in Game 1 of the World Series, because we’re almost certain to need him in this series.
Getting released when your team is in the World Series. Ouch.
Already Freeman out on two balls. Why are we facing the umps as much as the Astros??
Ugh….Freddie should have walked there.
Max better get that same zone.
Oof. That didn’t take long.
Yeah, I hope Fried gets that same huge zone.
Ball 5, you are out, Freddie.
And 1st pitch to Austin was up but called strike.
Maldonado might be good at framing, but something has to be done. 3 bad calls in an inning.
Still, 25 pitches in the inning, I am confident in the offense as long as the ump screwjob simmers down.
They need to take away the superimposed strike zone box thingy. All it does is piss everyone off.
If Fried gets squeezed, we’ll know something is up.
Well, it is Minute Maid Park, so don’t be surprised if Max gets squeezed.
@9 Certainly hasn’t helped improve umpire performance.
@9 – Agreed, I hate it. Any 2 dimensional representation of the strike zone is bogus from the start.
Fried has thrown 12 pitches and like 6 of them hit very hard.
There’s one more. Yikes they’re squaring him up pretty good.
Fried has nothing. No pop. No command. Maybe he’ll find it as he calms down in later innings. Ugh.
It’s as if they know what’s coming…
That was pleasantly unexpected.
(FWIW, he murdered the Marlins in this park last October)
And we’re swinging at everything when we aren’t watching balls called a strike.
As I type, one went our way. Go D’Arnaud!
TDA brought back his pop!
Too bad rosario had his would be rbi double taken away by lucky positioning.
Do your thing, Max , we need you to settle down and not tip pitches.
I hope Max settles down a bit.
Stop shifting with two strikes!
Fing shift! Again!!
Shifts killed them twice in a row, then the infield crap.
I am not liking playoff Fried.
Haha, 4-1 bad news braves. I called Fried a choker against LA, I won’t do that this time in part because he is getting Babip to death. And who knows how the astros are cheating now.
Throwing low inside to their righties is gonna lead to a very short outing. Not sure why this has been the gameplan for the last few Fried starts.
Fried may have to take this one for the team.
That stupid shift killed this inning. Should have been a double play.
Fried’s strength has been pitching inside, but specially up and in. But Houston has some hitters that love the ball there. Strength vs strength and they have executed better.
Not sure I want Fried to pitch in a deciding game.
I knew the Astros would break out against a lefty. I hoped Fried would overcome it but this game is over.
It’s hard to complain about BABIP when you have 4Ks in 6 outs.
Any one have any advice for watching a game at The Battery? Given I couldn’t find any tickets for Game 3 less than $1,000, I’m thinking about just driving down so I can at least “be there” on Friday.
I know it will be jam packed, but has anyone done this before? And how likely is it I find tickets last minute at a decent price?
This isn’t even becoming of JV Fried…
Get 6 runs again and take it from there.
This is a rather meek response.
That was the last thing Max needed. They could have at least worked the count a little.
Offense seemed deflated right there.way to make him work, guys. Even with another bad call on Riley.
I don’t understand why some of you dislike the strike zone tech? Would you prefer a eric gregg situation were you think you are getting screwed with no way to confirm it?
Braves can score 6 runs against the Astros.
I agree with Carl (I know, Carl…I’m surprised, too) @37. I actually find those umpire scorecards really misleading in terms of how many runs it costs teams, but I love them for the sole purpose that if those things start getting passed around, MLB may have no choice but to eventually progress to an electronic strike zone.
I don’t think the rectangle on fox is accurate. You need a 3d area that’s calibrated to the height of each batter…if you can’t do that then I’d rather just not see anything.
The offense needs to wake up. One-pitch outs will kill you no matter what the pitcher is doing.
Wondering the same thing as Clint @32, but for game 4. Parking passes are sold out online; I was gonna do the Red Deck at Ryan’s suggestion, but does anyone know if you can park there (or any of the Braves lots) without an already-purchased permit (if you get there early enough)? I also found a parking lot for $30 just on the other side of 285 via spothero (which someone else suggested a couple threads ago).
Max finally settling down. The offense needs to wake up.
@39 Nick, good to have someone to agree with on a tough night so far. I agree with your reasoning as well.
@40 I think it is calibrated , but don’t quote me on that. When they use the detailed 3d view with the pitch coming in,I’m guessing its the same as the square overlayed with the batters.
At the very least we are going back home with a 1-1 tie; I’m pretty sure everyone here would be satisfied with that result if asked when the series started. Chances are we are going to have to come back to Houston and take a game here to finish it.
Edit: Geez, why is Gurriel always on top of 1st base taking away our rbi doubles?
Max has pitched four strong. Let’s get him some runs.
We had a few really hittable pitches that inning. Dangit.
Duvall clearly on the bottom of the new outfielder pecking order. Likable dude but I think the others are better moving forward
Just a horrible at bat there by Duvall. Flailing at two sliders 18 inches off the plate is not a recipe for success. He and Riley can’t seem to lay off of those.
Dylan Lee? OK.
Hope it works.
Gotta be overturned.
None of the breaks today.
Horrible replay call. That one has to be intentional to screw us.
But still, Dansby’s error last night and Ozzie tonight. We all of a sudden can’t make the normal plays.
It’s a write-off now. Just one of those nights where all the little things went wrong. Got one out of two; come back and get ’em Friday.
Just what the hell is going on here?
You have to go home with that, wasn’t hit hard enough to be a sure double play. Probably doesn’t matter in the end, but not a smart play by Dansby. He’s obviously feeling the pressure of me picking him to be our guy this series.
The ball never made it best Ozzie’s hand so it never appeared like he had control. It’s a bad play when we needed a double play. Then compounded by Lee never looking at the runner on second
If Tucker scores that is a run that the ump just gave them.
Yeah sorry optimistic people, this one is done. Those cheaters keep beating the shifts and hitting them so softly that there are no chances for double plays.
I dont know why they are determined to waste the bullpen , might as well leave Lee in.
@59 bc Snit doesn’t care a ton abt burning the bottom half of the bullpen. We won’t see smith, matzek, jackson or minter unless we close the gap though.
We’ve seen this team score bunches of runs in the last two innings. Give up after the last out, not before.
On a different topic, a last minute business trip is going to make me miss the rest of the series (sucks…….), so you won’t see me commenting much until the offseason.
I leave it in your hands people; jinx and do what you have to in order to get that WS title. Phil Collins or whatever works.
The biggest problem I’ve noticed is the Braves haven’t scored as many runs as they’ve given up, which you can’t afford to do against a team as good as the Astros.
@63 Likely because the Braves hit the ball at the fielders. The Astros hit around the fielders.
We are the best team in baseball getting the ball in the air, just not happening tonight.
And that’s why Smyly is pitching the 7th down 4 runs
Good to remind ourselves what we have with Smyly…..
Haha that was the most predictable thing ever. If I lived in a gambling state I’d have bet my house on Smyley giving up a bomb on that damn fox betting app they keep pushing.
Get ‘em at home, Braves
Lefties not gonna cut it this series.
Anderson in game 3 and Wright in game 4. That’s our best chances. And Anderson in Game 7.
Now wright is going to pitch? What is this, an open audition for game 4 and 5 starters?
Man temping to just let Smyley wear it and save the rest of the pitching staff, no?
@70 That’s why I was surprised Tucker Davidson got the call up. An inexperienced lefty who has been out for 3 months against this crew. I really don’t get it. I would have probably gone with a righty option.
Why was Chavez taken out?
Oh no, why is Kyle warming up. I figured he would be starting game 4. I don’t like him as a reliever/
None of the breaks
The Trashstros have figured out that we can’t hit sliders. Time to adjust.
Want a distraction? This is hilarious: https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs/2021/10/27/turns-out-there-was-already-a-cleveland-guardians-and-now-theyre-suing-the-baseball-team/
Wright looked right!! Maroth did some good work with him.
@77 It’s a stupid name. I don’t know why either team wants it. Unless they have a copyright on that name they won’t get anywhere
I voted for Cleveland Cleavers.
Okay – it’s a 5 game series now.
God help me, I think I may be in favor of starting or at least “bulking,” if that’s a term (and I really hope it’s not) Kyle Wright in Game 4/5. I don’t agree with Roger on the lefties in terms of his overall doom and gloom on the topic (our main bullpen guys will be fine), but I do think I agree that Smyly is probably not who we want pitching a whole lot of important innings in this series.
Kyle Wright and Dylan Lee both looked good. Shrug this one off. We took one in their house. Let’s take care of business in ours.
Kyle Wright looked really good. I like him all the more for a start in game 4 or 5.
Well… that sucked. Let’s get them tomorrow. Go Braves.
@79 it’s a reference to some local statues on a bridge. I’m an Ohioan and I knew about the statues before the name change.
Also the roller derby team has no trademark, so yeah, that’s dead on arrival.
What my eyes have told me so far is that except for Lee and Smith, the rest of the lefties have been shaky. Minter was OK and both Smyly/Lee and Minter were victimized by errors, but Fried, Matzek, Smyly all got hit. Minter and Matzek gave up 6 hits and 2 runs in 4 innings. Morton, Jackson, Chavez, and Wright were all lights out except for a shaky first from Morton.
There is some evidence to support my position. The Astros seem very vulnerable to good RH pitching. Brantley is the exception by hitting everyone.
I want to win this series and the only way that’s going to happen is if the Braves make adjustments according to what’s happening. Except for against Framber, the offense has done little against the Astros staff. I hope we can find someone to hit against, but the pitching needs to be organized better and have better game plans. Smoltz predicted correctly how well the Astros would do against Fried’s normal game plan.
Recapped–and a meditation on momentum