Tonight in Sammy Hagar Practices Tautology: “Only time will tell if we stand the test of time.”
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Tonight in Sammy Hagar Practices Tautology: “Only time will tell if we stand the test of time.”
You have to admit it’s true.
Use code “Journal” for a 5% discount.
This is why we have Pastornicky. I hope that he rises to the challenge.
The challenge of sitting on the bench while we shop for another shortstop? I think he’s up to that.
Pastornicky sitting behind our starting SS, Martin Prado
Better Pastornicky than Franciso when CJ sits
Martin also struck out 14 last night in double duty.
Cody Martin.
When Chipper inevitably gets hurt, do you think Martin will play SS while Francisco plays 3B? Or will Martin play 3B while Pastornicky plays SS?
Oh — sorry I didn’t see you there, Paul. Yeah. I agree. Better Tyler than Juan.
Pastornicky was not as bad as everyone on here is saying. He wasn’t good, but he’s certainly better than Josh Wilson. He had a pretty good start to the year at the plate, even. I don’t understand why everyone wants to bury him in favor of far worse options. He should be starting today over Hinske, who is certainly no better in left than Pastornicky is at short, and is actually probably worse.
Anyone one on earth > Brendan Ryan
Bethany goes to Beantown and the SOX suck, MAC spends too much time in Philly and the Phils suck. good jobs by both.
Bethany goes to Beantown and the SOX suck, MAC spends too much time in Philly and the Phils suck. good jobs by both.
But Mac spend a lot of time in Alabama as well.
*spent
Alabama doesn’t have an MLB team.
@8 Pastornicky was an abomination in the field.
@11 I do what I can.
@8 Starting a bad shortstop is far more damaging to a defense than starting a bad left fielder. Your shortstop is the lynchpin of the defense, especially with a predominantely ground ball staff.
@8 Starting a bad shortstop is far more damaging to a defense than starting a bad left fielder. Your shortstop is the lynchpin of the defense, especially with a predominantely groundball staff.
@15 Don’t move to Atlanta.
If Pastor didn’t understand his place in the organization, now he does.
Updated WAR rankings (last updated after 7/7 game)
Bourn: 5th (down 2)
Prado: 7th (same)
Heyward: 8th (same)
Chipper: 26th (up 1)
Uggla: 27th (up 2)
McCan: 58th (up 2)
Freeman: 60th (up 10)
That was garbage.
They are showing Detroit/Baltimore here instead of the Braves game.
Nice tag by Prado
Sigh.
1 run might be all Dickey needs.
Alright Bravos, let’s get some runs!
GOOOOOO!!!!! YES!!!!!!!
HINSKE!! NOT COMPLETELY WASHED UP YET!!
Pastornicky was not as bad as everyone on here is saying.
157 AB – .248/.284/.324
326 Inn -15 DRS
-12.3UZR
-48.7 UZR/150
-1.1 WAR
($5M) value
AND BOURN IS AWESOME! I’m not even mad that Hinske was out.
Pastornicky might have literally been the LVP had he played all season.
I’m not saying he will never be useful, but he’s not ready.
If Pastornicky can hit for average and walk some he might be useful someday at 2b or CF.
Todd Redmond going to the Reds for a SS for one of Janish or Valdez.
It’s Janish.
Paul Janish it is.
Well, Janish certainly can’t hit. No idea what his defense is like.
bleck…
B-R likes his defense (34 dWAR and 19 runs above average in basically two years of work in the majors).
@37 Thanks Brian. Certainly sounds doable for me. I’m convinced that if I ever give Hanson slack he immediately has to make me hate him again. It’s for the good of everyone that I hate him perpetually.
Tommy Hanson gives up TONS of first pitch lead off homers.
I really hope thats Wren’s move to give Gwinnett another SS.
Aaaaaand here comes an Episode.
David O’Brien
July 14th, 2012
5:04 pm
Don’t see how Janish would even be much, if any, upgrade over other options Braves already had at Triple-A, Pastornicky and Josh Wilson.
Hanson drives me crazy.
The Reds get another decent-looking Braves pitcher that they won’t use. Maybe Redmond will finally be freed.
Better glove than Pastornicky or Wilson, but maybe a worse bat than either. And in exchange for a AAA pitcher who might be an adequate 5th starter but who definitely wasn’t in our plans. Hard to get worked up about it either way.
HASON STOP SUCKING.
@28
If only UZR and UZR/150 meant anything over two months, that would be impressively bad. Alas, it does not.
Please remind me how wonderful Tommy Hanson is.
Ugh.
Oh, thanks, Snitker, for killing the best inning of the game by sending Hinske.
Well that could have been worse.
It’s nothing short of a miracle that this game is tied.
So we traded for Jack Wilson?
Hanson has allowed 17 HR this season. 8 of them were leading off an inning. Another 3 were to the second batter of the inning, after the leadoff man had already homered.
So 11 of his 17 HR have been without retiring a man.
@53 It’s how he keeps his ERA from hitting Mike Minor territory — concede the solo shots.
Freeman seems to be heating up again.
Sure. Two bombs.
Man, McCann got hosed on that strike 3 call.
Janish is pretty solid defensively. He’ll probably share SS with Wilson then go to Gwinnett when Simmons is back.
*sigh*
@54 – You could say that. You could also say he needs to pull his head out of his ass.
Hudson and Hanson both are struggling against this Mets lineup to start the second half. Chipper said that they need a starter or two. We may need more than that.
Joel Sherman @Joelsherman1
#Braves obtained SS Janish from #Reds for P Todd Redmond. Had been talking to #Yankees about Ramiro Pena in case couldn’t get Janish.
Good, we got our top target.
The Mets are no slouches at the plate. They’re 7th in the NL in batter fWAR.
Wanna know who’s first? We are.
You don’t want to see where we rank for pitcher fWAR. No wonder ryan c never posts it.
“I looked at the trap!” Hey, 12th in the NL isn’t that bad… oh wait, yes it is.
I think Niekro is the perfect booth guest for a Dickey v Braves game.
Did anyone see the play?
To quote a tired meme, it’s a trap.
It was not a catch
The umpires surprise and please me by getting it right on the second try.
Good job by the umps making this right. I have no idea what the rules are in this situation. They could just be calling the ball dead at the time of the blown call and just giving the guy the base.
GOOOO!!! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I told you guys.
FREDDIE!!
I love it when Freeman is hitting.
Wow. Humble umps just got the Braves two runs. Nice.
Well, I wish I said nothing.
lolMets
@47
Forget UZR then. Anyone who saw Pastornicky play and thought they were watching a major league quality shortstop does not know what they’re looking at.
Here we go again with “Give ’em Back, Tommy.”
This is Tommy’s MO. Get a lead, immediately give it up.
Is there a way to bbref this claim and see if it’s true?
I’m a total novice with that site. I had been looking for his leadoff HR allowed for a several minutes before jjschiller posted it.
Two of these arent hits with Prado in LF
Hanson’s worst episode in almost two innings.
Tommy was only allowed to face about eight batters too many.
The Braves need starting pitching badly if Tommy Hanson is our ace.
For the record, Durbin is not the guy I’d bring in here. I’ll be happy for him to prove me wrong.
Ill be happy if we are tied after this inning.
He’s the ace… if it’s the ace that counts as one, not eleven.
As for Durbin, I don’t trust him either, but we used all the good pitchers yesterday cleaning up from Hudson’s work.
Darn it. I hate hate hate the Mets.
And that happens when the ump misses the first strike 3 call
Valdespin is a property of the electrons that make up The One Who Must Not Be Named. True story.
This is so gross.
Exactly. It’s like being nibbled to death by housecats.
lolBraves
This reminds me so much of the Livan outing.
Well, we are going to lose it right here. Nice job, Hanson + Durbin.
Paul Janish? Good grief. Just forfeit the rest of the season.
I hate Tommy Hanson.
Luis Avilan coming in. Perfect time to see what he can do.
Adam R. – I just went through his game logs, and checked the play-by-play of every game in which he gave up a homer.
I suck at bbref.
So predictable that they would blow that good luck in the very next time the Mets batted.
I really don’t know what you guys were expecting from a trade for a backup shortstop.
Also, it would be really nice to win this game and make Ben Sheets’ debut tomorrow a house money situation.
I believe Dickey is the pitcher of record.
Front end of our rotation
Hudson 4IP 8H 4ER 2BB 3K
Hanson 5.1IP 9H 6ER 2BB 5K
Thanks guys..oh yeah, we get Sheets tomorrow
Avilan had 6 losses in relief, and a 3.36 ERA in Double-A.
Hasn’t pitched in a game in 9 days.
BOLD PREDICTION: Sheets will have a quality start tomorrow.
Way to go, kid.
nice job kid
Well, that was certainly encouraging.
I did not expect success. I feel surprise. I remain discouraged… 🙁
Another point about tomorrow: Santana starts for the Mets.
Hanson hasn’t gone six innings in eight of 19 starts. An “ace,” he ain’t.
So is Minor or Delgado taking the ride over to Gwinnett?
I hope we trade Tommy Hanson to a team I hate. Like the Cardinals.
Karros seems to think this is a “win now” team and we should trade whatever it takes for a half year rental. As much as it pains me to say, I totally disagree.
Me too, jjschiller.
Works for me, JJ. And can we send Wilson and/or Pastornicky over there, too?
Me too, Rob. (I’m agreeable today.)
I feel bad for Chipper.
Honestly, as much as it sucks that Beachy’s gone, the following rotation possible using the roster right now and doesn’t seem bad:
Tim Hudson
Tommy Hanson
Jair Jurrjens
Kris Medlen
Ben Sheets
If Sheets pans out, we may not need another guy. I don’t really know what stopped the plan of putting Medlen in the rotation. That was a good idea.
I definitely see this is our only shot of making a real run for several years.
If we were to put Medlen in the rotation, we’d need to acquire a bullpen arm. The reason he was sent back there is that the ‘pen just isn’t good enough without him and Venters.
I missed that Kinsler play during the ASG. He just gained a new fan.
The rotation wouldn’t look bad if Beachy was still here.
If a frog had wings, …
I think the true reason the Braves haven’t put Medlen in the rotation is that they don’t want to put too much stress on his arm in his first season back off Tommy John surgery.
@119, I don’t look at that rotation and think, “That team’s going deep in the playoffs.”
Teheran and Delgado are still too young to write off. It wouldn’t shock me if Delgado broke out next year. But even with Beachy back for next year’s stretch run, it seems like the Braves could really use an ace to go with rebuilding two-thirds of our outfield. We can’t afford all that, so we basically have to have really good fortune with trades sometime soon…
It’s just a slow death.
What a bad series for our pitching staff.
It is a slow death…watching this team certainly is making me die slowly. Watching Tommy Hanson pitch takes years off my life every time he takes the mound. Doing so little with what appears to be so much is so frustrating to watch
Minor’s warming up in the bullpen so he may be the odd man out of the rotation.
The team is not BAD, necessarily. We are kind of top-heavy, with little quality depth.
We need a right-handed reliever that’s better than Medlen, we need a bench player better than Hinske, and we need a starting pitcher better than Hanson.
Minor may thrive in relief. He seems to have success in two or three inning spurts.
Come on, Uggla.
We’re certainly not bad. We’re just a team with no strengths. Every facet of our game is average-good but never great.
Gah, McCann is so slow.
That was a heck of a play by the Mets leftfielder. That ball was scorched!
How was that not a double?
Tyler, if you mess this up you are dead to me.
Two on, none out, Pastornicky up.
Crap.
Can the Rev bunt them over? Or is he still totally inept?
“Or is he still totally inept?”
Yes.
GO TO HELL PASTORNICKY.
Can’t we put someone in to run for McCann?
Still totally inept.
Welcome back, Tyler. Damn it.
Have two worse players ever batted back to back than Pastornicky and Francisco?
Pastorsucky at it again
Karros blames management for his inability to bunt. I can’t believe I want to defend Fredi Gonzalez to anybody.
The bunt was a stupid call. Feels like the whole inning was just killed by Gonzalez and Pastornicky.
I actually don’t think Francisco is a terrible hitter. He’s hella better than Pastornicky.
“I actually don’t think Francisco is a terrible hitter. He’s hella better than Pastornicky.”
Pastornicky: .281 OBP
Francisco: .254 OBP
And here’s where he strikes out.
Our bench sucks out loud.
Just caught the top of just under the knees.
The sun rises, and Francisco sucks.
With the game on the line, Wren gives us Pastorsucky and K-sisco…what a flipping joke
What numbers are those? Francisco’s career OBP is .300.
GIVE HIM ALL THE MONEY.
“What numbers are those?”
2012 numbers.
@158 Every last bit
But Bourn keeps getting big hits. Come on, Martin.
At least we got something out of this. I also like how they’re advertising the new Bourne movie heavily during this game.
Nicknames for Francisco? I’ll go with Fran(coeur)Sisqo. Lot of extra typing, though.
MARTIN!!!!!!!
Well done, Nitram!
Is Francisco going to play left?
Martin!
Awesome. Awesome. Awesome.
Prado is so damn awesome.
Fear the Prado!
Let’s keep Prado. Come on, Jason. Keep it going.
The statheads may not agree, but would rather have Prado than Upton. Baseball history is littered with players the statheads claimed “should” have been stars.
JASON!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kimbrel time.
Heyward is great.
JASON!!!
Heyward! Braves lead!
Woo! Let’s dance.
Prado is more valuable to us than he is to anyone else, it doesn’t make any sense to trade him.
172 — Wren has said an Upton trade is not on the table.
Wow…way to get off the deck and pull one off boys
Now go gets some outs in the 9th Mr. Kimbrel
@178, That might not be true. Prado might be more valuable to a team without an All-Star second baseman.
Vintage Mets
Come on, Kimbrell. Shut them down.
@182 It’s not just his abilities as a second baseman that matter. This is an injury-riddled team that has a terrible bench, and he’s an all star at almost any position we need him at.
Pastornicky at SS. Kimbrel better strike everyone out.
Oh, Lord. Pastornicky at short.
Kimbrel’s slider/curve is a thing of beauty and a joy forever.
Haha, Jim Powell is so pumped.
@186 So far, so good
@188 And the single best pitch in baseball.
I can’t believe this ended up a win. Awesome.
186- The Braves could probably mimic “The King and His Court” when Kimbrel comes in and still have it work 95% of the time.
Kimbrel is insane. What a game, can’t believe we won.
Pastornicky at SS. Kimbrel better strike everyone out.
No problem.
Oh, hell yes!
Nicely done guys.
Mets, you so silly.
@193… An Eddie Feignor reference, good work!
What a win! As DOBoner would say, Go
Barves!
Apparently its Delgado that was sent down.
The game literally changed the minute I stopped paying attention and put on Louie C.K.
lolAdamR
lolLols
Not to put a damper on the celebration, but have you guys seen all this stuff about Bill James defending Joe Paterno? Nuts. He sounds like a total jackass, thinking he’s smarter than everyone else as he plays devil’s advocate.
We acquired something called a “Paul Jarish” to play SS
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/07/braves-acquire-paul-janish.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook
In any event, while this is no way to run an airline, we have a really good 1-4 lineup, decent if not overwhelming SP, a shut down closer, and Simmons coming back at some point. If Freeman, Uggla and McCann can contribute, it’s a team that can win some games against anyone.
Brewers won yesterday against their division’s leader, and are winning again today. Time to start rooting against them or Greinke won’t even become available.
It occurred to me that if the bottom six players in today’s batting order held a race to see who could round the bases the fastest, Dan Uggla would finish before anyone else reached third base.
Oh, and we gave up Redmond to get him.
Uggla just hit that ball too hard. I never did that.
Wow. That game turned from miserable to fun really quickly! 😀
I wonder if Reds fans feel the way about Chapman that we do about Kimrebl. My guess is that they THINK they do, but they don’t quite realize just how great it is to watch Kimbrel. 🙂
Naturally I mis-spell the name and there’s no edit feature….
Washington loses to Miami. Just three games back and closing!
Asked #Braves manager Gonzalez about having Pastornicky bunt w/2 strikes, he said bunt sign was off w/ 2 strikes. Pastornicky bunted on own 1 hour ago
Bethany/204: Agreed. Smart guy who’s now gotten it into his head that he’s the smartest guy. Seems to have a compulsion to buck conventional wisdom on every damn thing, even when a) he’s clearly wrong, and b) he’s defending a man who covered up for a child rapist.
@213
Yeah, on TV they briefly showed Gonzalez stopping Pastornicky as he went back to the dugout. It was pretty clear just looking at the exchange that Pastornicky had missed the sign or was bunting on his own. Of course, the idiot FOX announcers were too busy still complaining about the overturned call where the umpires correctly followed the rules down to the letter to notice.
Incidentally, that was FOX’s No. 1 game this week. I realize Buck and McCarver had the weekend off after the All-Star Game (not that they’re that great, anyway, obviously), but how in the hell can you have an announcing crew as crappy as Chris Myers and Eric Karros on your featured game, while at least two decent play-by-play men are announcing your two lesser regional games?
Maybe he’s being reactionary, but I think James is just bringing the same hardheadedness to the Paterno question that he brings to everything else. He seems to have a pathological disregard for conventional wisdom, but hasn’t that been an essential part of the package?
It does grate sometimes. I found Popular Crime completely unreadable.
Greetings from Vegas…
Helluva win today. Wish I could’ve seen it.
If the season ended today, we’d play the Pirates in the WC game. Now there’s a storyline.
#204
I guess I just can’t get my head around the notion that James actually read the emails within the Freeh report & still maintains his conclusions.
But then again, he seemed to believe Pete Rose, too.
In a sense, I admire his willingness to go against the grain. But, as we see, not every situation calls for it. This one, a criminal case & coverup with real victims, is best left alone.
The James thing is just astounding. He may ‘buck conventional wisdom,’ but he also ‘trusts the data.’
He’s completely ignoring the data and declaring what he wishes to be true.
It’s bizarre.
Kimbrel’s FIP is down to .75.
As for Bill James… yeah, I got nothing.
Bill James is becoming fluent in Contrarian.
Recapped.