Seriously, if anyone can come up with a logical reason why a home run hit with two outs after an error is not an “earned” run, I’m all ears.
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Seriously, if anyone can come up with a logical reason why a home run hit with two outs after an error is not an “earned” run, I’m all ears.
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Because it would not have happened without the error?
The inning would have been over?
Because jello doesn’t have a backbone?
It’s not such a black and white scenario. The pitcher is forced into a situation he would have otherwise avoided. And no, this is not the “because it would not have happened without the error” argument.
Let’s say the error puts runners on first and second, so the pitcher is forced to make certain pitches to the batter so as not to walk the batter. Otherwise, the pitcher may look to throw some junk pitches to get the batter to chase. Or, if there is a possible steal situation, the pitcher may lean towards throwing his fastball instead of his breaking pitches.
Now obviously these are only a few of the circumstances and there are situations where it wouldn’t matter. Like the person who got on base after the error was committed has already scored and the bases are clear and now someone hits a homerun – that is a situation where it is definitely an earned run.
All I am trying to say is that it isn’t as black and white as people make it out to be. Which is also why the rule itself is stupid – it just doesn’t account for all possible scenarios.
Why isn’t it an earned run if the pitcher makes the error?
Alex back in the lineup. Heyward is not.
The AJC news feed on the left hand side says “Good Young Felons to Get Break” and I swear my first thought was it must be a college football story.
So Jeffy, why did you write $50K in checks to that Mets equipment manager, the guy who was just indicted?
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Prado 7 Gonzalez 6 Chipper 5 McCann 2 Uggla 4 Freeman 3 Hinske 9 McLouth 8 Hanson 1
Hinske over Mather against a lefty.. that’s probably for the best. Though it makes you wonder why the hell we’re even carrying Mather. If he isn’t good enough to get the start over a guy with pretty bad lefty splits, what exactly is he good for?
We’d be so much better off with a 3rd catcher at this point.
And AGon batting 2nd again… Shouldn’t he just stay in the 7th spot, with everyone but Louth moving up?
This lineup is not about scoring runs. It’s about keeping everyone happy and comfortable in where they’re hitting.
And it’s not like this is the WORST lineup they could put together. In most respects, it’s a pretty decent one.
@8, Now that’s some funny stuff. On a side note, surprised no one has brought up Ealey’s departure
Combo of Will Ferrell, the Daily Show, and Braves baseball…fantastic stuff.
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Hinske over Mather against a LHP is interesting.
Anybody over Mather seems like an eminently defendable decision.
I guess we’re carrying Mather because the MLBPA has insisted that every 25 man roster contain at least 25 men.
Mac posed the question at the top of this thread to Bill James.
James also writes, in reference to 10000-10000: “Let’s hope we can get the Yankees to a similar point.” I think we can all agree on that…
BMac! Just missed getting out of here.
“Brian’s throw is, on time….. But late.”
Hanson is not sharp at all tonight
How much more does LaRouche make than Freeman?
Somewhere in the neighbourhood of 6.5M more.
So I guess every hit and walk is a double for the Nats?
I’ve seen a lot of laughable job applications during my years as a restaurant manager, but today I got one that just… wow.
Q: How far do you live from work?
A: Halfway house.
Why is Gearrin in to face a LHB?
I guess that’s why.
The flowchart says so.
Actually, a switch-hitter. You’d prefer Sherrill?
I’d probably have preferred EOF for one and a third inning.
Next question is why not leaving Gearrin in to face the bottom of the order this inning.
Okay, Hinske stays in the lineup for a while…
BAM!
Think the Magic would be interested in a deal revolving around Horford and Smith for Howard?
Apparently the secret to the Braves success this year is whether or not their game is shown for free on MLBtv. Take out the month of April and yesterday’s game, and our season would be amazing. I’m glad I bit the bullet and paid for it this year!
Report from Yankee Stadium via MLB iPhone app:
Venters is bad-ass, Jeffy swings at everything & Melky still sucks.
Well, this is shitty.
Starting to hate this team again
So nobody buys into my theory at #4, eh?
Yeesh . . . I hate losing to the Nats . . .
WhyOhWhy do the Nationals — led tonight by studs Jerry Hairston, Jr., Laynce Nix, and Alex Cora — continue to own the Braves?
So, in what inning will Linebrink or Martinez give up the go-ahead homer?
Is it time to flip flop Venters and Kimbrel?
“If we could play the Braves 162 times a year, I feel like we’d be a pretty good ball club. Unfortunately, we have to play the rest of the league too.”
-Jim Riggleman
Okay, let’s get a walkoff homer here.
I have noticed since the St Louis series that teams are loading up in the 9th with LH hitters against Kimbrel. Kimbrel is going to have to make an adjustment.
@40 I’d stay the course. Venters looks like he is on the Cheryl diet and all Kimbrel needs to do is relax a bit when he pauses his motion before he goes to the plate. When he takes a good pause there he usually throws a good pitch. Of course, sometimes they hit it.
I just hate this bench…. If Hinske is in the lineup, the bench consists of a bunch of pitcher like hitters who can’t play defense either. Another extra inning game with bad releivers and no pinch hitting options. I know this has been stated several times on here already, I just felt compelled to say it again
CherylBeingCheryl.
Just saw the replay of the game-tying single — what the heck was McLouth doing on that throw to third?
Joe Mather is a terrible human being and/or baseball player.
He is not really a baseball player, thus the waffling ‘and/or’>
The announcers are having difficulty understanding Riggleman breaking the unwritten rule prohibiting the road team from using their closer in a tie game in extra innings.
Joe Mather doesn’t even resemble a baseball player. At least Jeffy could fool you for a while.
@47,
A stupid play that he should have known from little league not to do.
What did Mather and Hicks do to make a major league roster? Pictures?
They killed all the real AAA players?
Makes sense to me.
BUT HE’S A CATCHER!!!??!!
Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Screw this team into the freaking ground.
Where last year’s club found ways to steal games, this year’s club finds ways to give them away.
The Linebrink Experience.
They deserve to lose this game…complete hibernation mode and relief pitchers such as Linestink and Martinez they were bound to lose this game in extra innings. If they can’t win it in 9 they should just save us the agony and call it a loss. Wren is an idiot for having a 25 man roster with only 19 players on it
Failbrink. I guess Fredi has already gone to the house
58 – well said.
Scott Linebrink has to be DFA’d doesn’t he? Scott Proctor can’t be this bad can he?
For eff’s sake. Remember when Fredi left the closer in for like ever? That was awesome. And then, and then, and then, he was like “Oh wait, y’all thought that was baller, check out Scott Linebrink, the director’s cut!” … that was awesome.
Linebrink is terrible tonight!
Man, there’s a TON of wasted space on this roster.
Alex gives us a glimmer of awesome in the midst of complete suckage.
Free Teheran!*
With purchase of Teheran of equal or greater value…
I’m thinking Linebrink may head for the DL tomorrow. The old inability to pitch diagnosis seems about right.
Nice play there by Gonzalez!
F*ck this clown…
@49 – maybe now they understand.
@67 – nice.
I am so glad that we traded for Linebrink….
Mather looked like a pitcher in his AB….
you know what would be great here? another 3-run comeback to just fall short.
Chipper will probably break his leg going to third on a passed ball here
This is really Linebrink and Sherrill’s fault. Because Fredi doesn’t trust the back end of his pen, he’s running EOF, Venters, and Kimbrel into the ground. You can clearly see the inconsistency in Kimbrel’s motion, inconsistency with his command, his elbow dropping, his ball above the belt, and he’s getting shelled. Venters may be able to handle this workload well, but Kimbrel needs some rest. With Moylan gone, however, I’m very concerned Gearrin, Martinez, Linebrink, and Sherrill are going to be what we need.
Fredi is not the one to blame on this one. You can’t have a bullpen of 3 guys.
another stupid baseball rule: if the braves were to miraculously score 5 runs here, Lineypoo gets the win.
Linebrink is terrible tonight!
Har.
@75
Sherrill’s been effective after the first week of the season.
I just don’t think we have it this year.
Crippling regular season loss in a couple of years.
Gotta be better than the Nats, especially with Zimmerman out.
Recapped. It’s easy when you give up early.
We were lucky to even be in it last year with all the late game luckery. Is anyone a soccer fan, too? The Braves are the Arsenal FC of baseball. Don’t get me wrong- I was a Braves fan long before I was an AFC fan.
What a pathetic performance….
Fredi is awful but Kimbrel has not pitched since Sunday. Neither has EOF.
We scored three runs. Yay.