I got JC’ed in the last thread, when I attempted to stir up a controversy by saying something nakedly provocative.
Dogs are qualitatively better than cats.
Mike N.
on August 24, 2010 at 2:24 pm
No matter how nice you are, cats never show you any respect.
Stu
on August 24, 2010 at 2:26 pm
1—Of course they are.
And Ken Rosenthal can Ed Rapuano my Bill Hohn.
Seat Painter
on August 24, 2010 at 2:28 pm
Piss on the whole dogs/cats thing AAR..if you want to rake the muck assert:
Pirates>>>Ninjas.
EDIT: Because saying dogs>cats is like trying to stir up controversy by saying 1+1=2.
ryan c
on August 24, 2010 at 2:33 pm
mlbtr is reporting uggla is looking for a 5/55-60 million dollar deal. fangraphs has him worth 76.2 million for his first 5 years in the bigs. he just turned 30. all defensive metrics have him as a below average 2b, but his 162 game average is pretty impressive: 33hr 96 rbi .837 ops
i’m not implying the braves should look into him, but do you guys think he’s worth that much to any team?
Johnny
on August 24, 2010 at 2:35 pm
From previous thread:
Bethany, yes balanced schedule means every team played the same number of times, just in case noone answered your question.
Cats taste better. How’s that for controversy.
Stu
on August 24, 2010 at 2:35 pm
5—Not even close. Not to this team, anyway.
Jason C
on August 24, 2010 at 2:36 pm
Cats are good for keeping vermin away. But they’re also covered in cat spit and come with a box of excrement you have to regularly clean.
I have a bit of a conundrum in my car sale adventure, for anyone who feels like lending any more advice. There is a family in SC (long story) who is planning on meeting me in Atlanta with cash to buy my car. Now, there’s a local guy who has looked at the car, and wants to meet tonight to discuss it. Should I tell him it’s sold, or see what he offers? Selling locally would be so much easier, but I hate to screw over the family in SC.
spike
on August 24, 2010 at 2:40 pm
Shame the Yankees already have that Cano guy, Sox have Pedroia, we have Prado, Phils have Utley, DOdgers like Dewitt, etc. Gonna be hard to get that much with so many teams already set.
spike
on August 24, 2010 at 2:43 pm
Money talks, but the blowback is going to be around for a while. If they have committed to purchasing, then,yeah, it’s sold.
Smitty
on August 24, 2010 at 2:43 pm
Yeah, it seems second base has become the new left field.
Johnny
on August 24, 2010 at 2:44 pm
Ok you want controversy.
Yunel > AAG
Report on ex Braves anyone cares about:
Yunel .297 .348 .414 .762
KJ .278 .369 .490 .859
Adam .271 .339 .487 .826
Roachy second half .311 .356 .556 .912 it’s uncanny
Andruw .207 .313 .461 .774
ryan c
on August 24, 2010 at 2:45 pm
imo, if andruw wasnt on steroids, then yes, he was better than the murph. their career peaks were about the same and andruw was better in the field. his last year as a brave, when almost everyone on the blog (including mac) thought he had lost a step, he still put up a ridiculous defesive year in cf (+22 DRS and a +24.9 UZR/150).
andruw has more gold gloves, more home runs and a higher OPS.
however, i’m fairly certain andruw did steroids…
Johnny
on August 24, 2010 at 2:46 pm
Uggla is a pretty good player but, what spike said.
Sam Hutcheson
on August 24, 2010 at 2:46 pm
The difference between dog and cat people is simple. Cat people are strong. We don’t need constant, slobbery affirmation that you adore us. Of course you adore us. We give you food. Now be quiet and let me nap.
Dog people are neurotic, needy attention whores.
Seat Painter
on August 24, 2010 at 2:48 pm
@11
Have you agreed on final terms with the SC folks? Is it in writing?
Generally an oral contract is not enforceable for sales of items over $500 in value (but then again, I’m not licensed to practice law in Georgia, and my UCC course was a long time ago in a galaxy far far away…)
Personally, if I had made a deal with the SC family, I’d feel obliged to honor it, just because I’d like to think my word can be trusted. If you haven’t gotten a firm commitment (from them or from you), that would be a different story. (IE – I’d like to see the car, can we meet in Atlanta and if it looks good I’ll make you an offer).
What’s the point of having an animal that doesn’t even like you? Dogs all the way.
Nothing is in writing, but I suppose you all are right. Either way someone is going to be disappointed, and it shouldn’t be the people who I’ve made a commitment to.
justhank
on August 24, 2010 at 2:49 pm
You really think your cat adores you?
BWHAAHAAHAHAHA!
Johnny
on August 24, 2010 at 2:53 pm
Cats are easier than dogs but Pirates are better.
Sam Hutcheson
on August 24, 2010 at 2:54 pm
The point is that he can, or can not. His decision. I don’t need slobbering affection every minute of every day. I am not an emotionally stunted child.
Seat Painter
on August 24, 2010 at 2:54 pm
Cats tolerate you, as long as your opening the food. If you died and went undiscovered for a month, they’d find your dog dead right next to you. They’d find your skeleton and a very fat cat in the other case.
DowneasterJC
on August 24, 2010 at 3:00 pm
@24
Which only goes to show that dogs are stupid.
Nick
on August 24, 2010 at 3:01 pm
Taking era out of the equation and just looking at the numbers, Andruw was better than Dale Murphy. Now the context of the years in which they played is important. Andruw was never the best player in the league, and Murphy was at least twice, and was in the Top 5 or so several other years. But just looking at their numbers, Andruw was better than Murphy, yet I doubt you’d find very many Braves fans claiming Andruw Jones deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. Although it’s possible I’m wrong, and there are people who think that, I suppose. I’m not one of them.
spike
on August 24, 2010 at 3:09 pm
Dogs – higher utilitarian value (can do useful tasks and provide some protection), higher marginal cost (feeding, walking, vet, etc,)
Cats – no utilitarian value, but far lower cost (litterbox, no walks, don’t eat much, etc)
Moral of the story – get a fairly aloof 40-60 pound dog that will bite the shit out of anyone not in your pack or approved by you. Like Mad Max’s dog. Low maintenance cost, high utilitarian value.
Stu
on August 24, 2010 at 3:11 pm
18—That explains so very much.
IthacaBraves
on August 24, 2010 at 3:18 pm
@ 24. Any police officer or professional crime scene/corpse cleaner-type person will tell you that dogs eat their dead masters regularly.
Nick, “best player in the league” isn’t the same as winning an MVP award. Was Dale Murphy truly better than Mike Schmidt during the years he won his MVP? Did MVP voters truly appreciate Andruw Jones’s legitimately historic defense?
For example, during Andruw Jones’s 11 seasons as Braves center fielder (1998-2007), including Glavine’s 1998 Cy Young victory, 11 different pitcher-seasons received Cy Young votes: four by Smoltz, three by Maddux, two by Glavine, and one each by Kevin Millwood and Russ Ortiz. Using Baseball-reference’s tally of Cy Young shares, the Braves won the equivalent of 2.49 Cy Youngs during this period.
During Dale Murphy’s ten years as Braves center fielder (1980-1989), two pitcher-seasons received Cy Young votes: Knucksie’s 5th-place finish in 1982, and Craig McMurtry’s 7th-place finish in 1983, the equivalent of 0.17 Cy Young trophies.
Obviously, that isn’t a great measure of Andruw Jones vs. Dale Murphy, but it suggests to me that, to at least a non-negligible extent, Andruw’s defensive dominance showed up in his teammates’ Cy Young votes, at least as much as in his own MVP vote tally.
The difference between dog and cat people is simple. Cat people are strong. We don’t need constant, slobbery affirmation that you adore us. Of course you adore us. We give you food. Now be quiet and let me nap.
Dog people are neurotic, needy attention whores.
Eleanor Abernathy Says:
AAARGHHH!!! *spits*
Sam Hutcheson Says:
The point is that he can, or can not. His decision. I don’t need slobbering affection every minute of every day. I am not an emotionally stunted child.
There’s a guy in my neighborhood who walks his (small) dog, and his cat walks right along with them, never more than a couple of feet away. Always brightens my day — guess I don’t have a tribe.
ryan c
on August 24, 2010 at 3:32 pm
so, is bobby doing a straight platoon with mccann and ross now?
The right cat can be fun. My best pet growing up was a black cat named Willy. He was great. He would eat bacon from the table, and would bow his head when we said the blessing, no joke.
The biggest thing that worries me about Lee is how bad he is getting beat on fastballs. His bat is way, way behind.
braves14
on August 24, 2010 at 3:35 pm
35 — McCann has been starting a few times lately against left-handers. It’s mainly a way to get him days off though — and Ross is the perfect backup for him, a lefty masher and good defensive backstop.
sdp
on August 24, 2010 at 3:36 pm
You never know what’s going to be discussed on the average day at Braves Journal.
Sex.
Seat Painter
on August 24, 2010 at 3:37 pm
Yeah, Lee has not looked to be ANY improvement on Zombie Glaus.
Dix
on August 24, 2010 at 3:37 pm
sdp,
you mean SEC
justhank
on August 24, 2010 at 3:45 pm
“Let’s talk about SEC – all the good things and the bad things…”
It is said that in Kentucky a pervert is someone who likes sex more than basketball.
About ten years ago, two cats adopted us. Literally showed up at the back door. I (a dog person) was adamant that they would never enter our house.
Today they shed and KAAACK!! hairballs and use our molding as scratching posts and bite my bare feet as I ascend the stairs and I’m oddly grateful. Such is the power of cats.
For awhile, I was a single male with 3 cats. (Long, boring story.) I’ll cop to eccentric.
Dix
on August 24, 2010 at 4:19 pm
@45
Pretty sure everyone agrees with you. The debate has been over whether cats cause the anger, loneliness, and eccentricity, or whether those qualities are what drive people to own cats.
billy-jay
on August 24, 2010 at 4:28 pm
@6:
Not true. Dogs taste better.
TheFlyingBernard
on August 24, 2010 at 4:40 pm
Well, dogs do have more taste buds than cats, so that may be true.
sansho1
on August 24, 2010 at 4:41 pm
If there’s anything we can all agree on, it’s that sweeping generalizations are always true.
Dix
on August 24, 2010 at 4:43 pm
Specific generalizations too
Johnny
on August 24, 2010 at 4:46 pm
#49 What kind of marinade are you using?
Mike N.
on August 24, 2010 at 4:51 pm
I’m not picky when it comes to eating, so dogs and cats are fine by me.
billy-jay
on August 24, 2010 at 4:57 pm
@50:
I have never known Koreans to be wrong in matters involving food. The Chinese, on the other hand…
15 — I kinda wish we had traded for LaRoche again, left-handedness be damned.
Stu
on August 24, 2010 at 6:36 pm
60—I think it was his contract, more than his handedness, which prevented that.
Stu
on August 24, 2010 at 6:54 pm
“Bloodbuzz Ohio” is a really great song. That is all.
Brian J.
on August 24, 2010 at 7:04 pm
Carlos Lee delivers again with a 2-run HR for the Astors. 2-0 Houston in the 4th.
James
on August 24, 2010 at 7:29 pm
Cats are waaaay cuter than dogs. Like no contest. Plus they’re really easy to take care of and won’t annoy the neighbors by randomly barking at anything that walks by. I would like to have both a cat and a dog, but if forced to chose, I would chose a cat every time.
joelk
on August 24, 2010 at 7:34 pm
Thanks for the link to that article stupup, really enjoyed reading about some of those guys again. Man, the abuse some of those guys suffered from so many innings so young! Also loved that he called Dibble a “lughead”!
csg
on August 24, 2010 at 7:39 pm
Glaus 0-2 2k’s
csg
on August 24, 2010 at 7:43 pm
Allstar doing what he does…
bfan
on August 24, 2010 at 7:45 pm
Lowe is going to give up 5+ tonight; that is his history here in this park, including years when he was much better. We really need to score 7 or 8 (and we can). No shut-out through 4 innings please; that is going to be too much to make up. Lee and McCann need to step up tonight.
@69
according to gameday, they were all strikes. not anywhere near the atrocity from last night. did i mention i hate lowe? well, i’m overreacting a bit. that was actually a great pitch.
Why do we pitch to that guy? Ugh, nevermind, can’t believe he hit that ball that well.
csg
on August 24, 2010 at 7:53 pm
I hate Lowe
NickH
on August 24, 2010 at 7:54 pm
To CarGo’s credit, that was a great swing on a pretty good pitch from Lowe.
EDIT: and then piling on the misery, a 30-foot squibber down the third base line from Tulowitzki on an 0-2 count. If the Rockies are getting those hits today too, Lowe might give up 5 runs, easy.
Adam R
on August 24, 2010 at 7:55 pm
CarGo is the second coming of Vlad. He’s just a hitting freak.
csg
on August 24, 2010 at 7:56 pm
If the over/under was 5ER for Lowe today, I dont see how anyone would bet under
braves14
on August 24, 2010 at 7:57 pm
73 —
Watch Andruw Jones in an Atlanta courtroom last year, during the Gold Club scandal. He is being asked about his sexual escapade with two women — entertainers from the club — in the winter of 1996-97 and, for the first time, his image is being tarnished.
“Both of them. Count it!”
Tomas
on August 24, 2010 at 8:01 pm
I don’t have much if any confidence in Lowe today, but that pitch to CarGo was way below the strike zone, can’t really fault him for that one.
bfan
on August 24, 2010 at 8:02 pm
well I did say 5+. 🙂
crappy 1st inning by the offense. This is a very easy hitting environment, and not one of their aces on the mound. If we crap around and have no runs after 4, shame on us; we are going to get swept (if Ubaldo goes tomorrow).
Rollins out on an attempted double steal with one out and Utley up. They could’ve gotten Howard to the plate with two on. Dumb Phillies.
spike
on August 24, 2010 at 8:16 pm
Georgia is doing great in the LLWS again.
braves14
on August 24, 2010 at 8:20 pm
It’s time to move Heyward down in the order against LHPs.
csg
on August 24, 2010 at 8:26 pm
Sorry Chip, but that was a terrible 0-2 pitch
spike
on August 24, 2010 at 8:28 pm
93, Didn’t he destroy the Cubs lefty two days ago? Or are you reverse jinxing?
Tomas
on August 24, 2010 at 8:33 pm
Gwinnett has caught the Atlanta flu it seems, 4 errors so far, 2 by Glaus.
braves14
on August 24, 2010 at 8:33 pm
Heyward’s line against LHPs: .229/.327/.344
csg
on August 24, 2010 at 8:34 pm
Phils down 2-1, got a runner at 3rd with 2outs in the 8th
csg
on August 24, 2010 at 8:34 pm
Glaus is done folks
bfan
on August 24, 2010 at 8:35 pm
Heyward .910 OPS vs. RHP; .671 vs. LHP.
Randy
on August 24, 2010 at 8:36 pm
I just read the Bozo the Clown story on the aol link on the top left. Man, I need to get out more.
csg
on August 24, 2010 at 8:37 pm
Victorino flew out. Houston 2-1 going to 9th
bfan
on August 24, 2010 at 8:37 pm
No MLB brave can hit at Gwinnett; McClouth at .235; Schaeffer under .200; Glaus 0-4 with 4 K’s (very small sample size).
braves14
on August 24, 2010 at 8:38 pm
Glaus did hit a single in his last AB. Glausmania!
Randy
on August 24, 2010 at 8:38 pm
Derrick Lee has quite a bit in common with Bozo the Clown.
Big Feet, Came from Chicago, Both have seen better days.
braves14
on August 24, 2010 at 8:39 pm
Diaz is having a terrible year.
csg
on August 24, 2010 at 8:39 pm
Id rather see this team face Halladay, Josh Johnson, and Felix Hernandez before Olsen, Moyer, and Happ
csg
on August 24, 2010 at 8:40 pm
Lee 2-17 now
BMac 1-18
our 4-5 hitters looking great
braves14
on August 24, 2010 at 8:41 pm
Glaus just homered to give Gwinnett the lead. A 3 run shot.
csg
on August 24, 2010 at 8:43 pm
since it worked for Glaus, Lee and McCann are done!
spike
on August 24, 2010 at 8:44 pm
Heywards done pretty well against the last 3 lefties he’s faced – I don’t have a tool to do platoon splits sine the ASB though, and tactically it makes sense to break up the lineup a bit to keep from wiped out by a Loogy/Roogy late. I think I would agree with leaving him alone at this point.
braves14
on August 24, 2010 at 8:44 pm
That was terrible Omar.
csg
on August 24, 2010 at 8:44 pm
FAIL
c. shorter
on August 24, 2010 at 8:45 pm
ugh
braves14
on August 24, 2010 at 8:51 pm
Well, Lowe has pitched as well as could reasonably be expected of him in this park. Time to score some runs.
I played against their coach when I was in LL. It’s still a big deal down there. Back in the ’70s, Columbus had 9 different leagues. Dunno what the deal is now, but back then you had to win a very stressful local tournament just to compete in the state.
braves14
on August 24, 2010 at 8:59 pm
Cargo up with 2 men on. This isn’t promising.
Chief Nocahoma
on August 24, 2010 at 8:59 pm
I hate the Rockies and Marlins more than anyone in baseball.
csg
on August 24, 2010 at 9:00 pm
I hate the Phils and Mets much, much, more
ryan c
on August 24, 2010 at 9:01 pm
melky shows why he’s not a good center fielder. his arm is great, but his positioning when catching a fly ball and his routes are atrocious.
Lowe pulled off a couple miracles with the jams he got out of. I’m very satisfied with a 6-inning, 3-run performance, but my goodness, he walked a tightrope a couple times there.
ryan c
on August 24, 2010 at 9:24 pm
not necessarily putting him down tonight. i’m just dumbfounded that a pitcher, such as lowe, that looks so hittable, can throw a no-no.
NickH
on August 24, 2010 at 9:25 pm
6 IP, 3 ER is the minimal definition of a “quality start” and often is considered not all that great – but here, we’re talking about Derek Lowe @ Colorado, so it’s pretty good. I think if the Braves’ offense had put up some runs through the first 6 innings everyone would be happy with Lowe’s work.
Astros had 2 on with 1 out in the 11th… but they lined into a double play.
ryan c
on August 24, 2010 at 9:28 pm
please, god! for my sanity, let derrek lee start hitting.
NickH
on August 24, 2010 at 9:28 pm
Also – Lee looks awful right now; it’s like he’s not seeing the ball out of the pitcher’s hand, and he lacks the bat speed to catch up to the fastball at any rate. I wonder how healthy his back really is.
Hanan
on August 24, 2010 at 9:28 pm
Agree…Lowe’s mediocre tap dance routine would feel a lot better if the offense were doing anything in this game.
To quote my earlier David Byrne link, “I’m mad, and that’s a fact.”
csg
on August 24, 2010 at 10:17 pm
I dont think he was crossed up. He never moved his glove. He called for a fastball and got one. Either way, its not any different from the one he missed from Wagner a couple of weeks ago
JoeyT
on August 24, 2010 at 10:17 pm
Castro was just slammed in the knee by a pitch, and the ‘Stros have no more catchers available. Scary moment. He’s toughing it out, though.
Use code “Journal” for a 5% discount.
I got JC’ed in the last thread, when I attempted to stir up a controversy by saying something nakedly provocative.
Dogs are qualitatively better than cats.
No matter how nice you are, cats never show you any respect.
1—Of course they are.
And Ken Rosenthal can Ed Rapuano my Bill Hohn.
Piss on the whole dogs/cats thing AAR..if you want to rake the muck assert:
Pirates>>>Ninjas.
EDIT: Because saying dogs>cats is like trying to stir up controversy by saying 1+1=2.
mlbtr is reporting uggla is looking for a 5/55-60 million dollar deal. fangraphs has him worth 76.2 million for his first 5 years in the bigs. he just turned 30. all defensive metrics have him as a below average 2b, but his 162 game average is pretty impressive: 33hr 96 rbi .837 ops
i’m not implying the braves should look into him, but do you guys think he’s worth that much to any team?
From previous thread:
Bethany, yes balanced schedule means every team played the same number of times, just in case noone answered your question.
Cats taste better. How’s that for controversy.
5—Not even close. Not to this team, anyway.
Cats are good for keeping vermin away. But they’re also covered in cat spit and come with a box of excrement you have to regularly clean.
So yeah, Dogs > Cats.
And Ninjas > Pirates. Ahr.
We already have a great second baseman. Whom we need to sign to a long-term deal.
Also, how about this?
Andruw Jones > Dale Murphy
i wasnt implying that we should look into uggla. i’m asking if you guys think his demands are reasonable?
@5 Yikes, that’s awfully rich. I wouldn’t do it.
I have a bit of a conundrum in my car sale adventure, for anyone who feels like lending any more advice. There is a family in SC (long story) who is planning on meeting me in Atlanta with cash to buy my car. Now, there’s a local guy who has looked at the car, and wants to meet tonight to discuss it. Should I tell him it’s sold, or see what he offers? Selling locally would be so much easier, but I hate to screw over the family in SC.
Shame the Yankees already have that Cano guy, Sox have Pedroia, we have Prado, Phils have Utley, DOdgers like Dewitt, etc. Gonna be hard to get that much with so many teams already set.
Money talks, but the blowback is going to be around for a while. If they have committed to purchasing, then,yeah, it’s sold.
Yeah, it seems second base has become the new left field.
Ok you want controversy.
Yunel > AAG
Report on ex Braves anyone cares about:
Yunel .297 .348 .414 .762
KJ .278 .369 .490 .859
Adam .271 .339 .487 .826
Roachy second half .311 .356 .556 .912 it’s uncanny
Andruw .207 .313 .461 .774
imo, if andruw wasnt on steroids, then yes, he was better than the murph. their career peaks were about the same and andruw was better in the field. his last year as a brave, when almost everyone on the blog (including mac) thought he had lost a step, he still put up a ridiculous defesive year in cf (+22 DRS and a +24.9 UZR/150).
andruw has more gold gloves, more home runs and a higher OPS.
however, i’m fairly certain andruw did steroids…
Uggla is a pretty good player but, what spike said.
The difference between dog and cat people is simple. Cat people are strong. We don’t need constant, slobbery affirmation that you adore us. Of course you adore us. We give you food. Now be quiet and let me nap.
Dog people are neurotic, needy attention whores.
@11
Have you agreed on final terms with the SC folks? Is it in writing?
Generally an oral contract is not enforceable for sales of items over $500 in value (but then again, I’m not licensed to practice law in Georgia, and my UCC course was a long time ago in a galaxy far far away…)
Personally, if I had made a deal with the SC family, I’d feel obliged to honor it, just because I’d like to think my word can be trusted. If you haven’t gotten a firm commitment (from them or from you), that would be a different story. (IE – I’d like to see the car, can we meet in Atlanta and if it looks good I’ll make you an offer).
Hope that helps out Bethany.
EDIT: Or, what spike said in #13.
What’s the point of having an animal that doesn’t even like you? Dogs all the way.
Nothing is in writing, but I suppose you all are right. Either way someone is going to be disappointed, and it shouldn’t be the people who I’ve made a commitment to.
You really think your cat adores you?
BWHAAHAAHAHAHA!
Cats are easier than dogs but Pirates are better.
The point is that he can, or can not. His decision. I don’t need slobbering affection every minute of every day. I am not an emotionally stunted child.
Cats tolerate you, as long as your opening the food. If you died and went undiscovered for a month, they’d find your dog dead right next to you. They’d find your skeleton and a very fat cat in the other case.
@24
Which only goes to show that dogs are stupid.
Taking era out of the equation and just looking at the numbers, Andruw was better than Dale Murphy. Now the context of the years in which they played is important. Andruw was never the best player in the league, and Murphy was at least twice, and was in the Top 5 or so several other years. But just looking at their numbers, Andruw was better than Murphy, yet I doubt you’d find very many Braves fans claiming Andruw Jones deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. Although it’s possible I’m wrong, and there are people who think that, I suppose. I’m not one of them.
Dogs – higher utilitarian value (can do useful tasks and provide some protection), higher marginal cost (feeding, walking, vet, etc,)
Cats – no utilitarian value, but far lower cost (litterbox, no walks, don’t eat much, etc)
Moral of the story – get a fairly aloof 40-60 pound dog that will bite the shit out of anyone not in your pack or approved by you. Like Mad Max’s dog. Low maintenance cost, high utilitarian value.
18—That explains so very much.
@ 24. Any police officer or professional crime scene/corpse cleaner-type person will tell you that dogs eat their dead masters regularly.
Nick, “best player in the league” isn’t the same as winning an MVP award. Was Dale Murphy truly better than Mike Schmidt during the years he won his MVP? Did MVP voters truly appreciate Andruw Jones’s legitimately historic defense?
For example, during Andruw Jones’s 11 seasons as Braves center fielder (1998-2007), including Glavine’s 1998 Cy Young victory, 11 different pitcher-seasons received Cy Young votes: four by Smoltz, three by Maddux, two by Glavine, and one each by Kevin Millwood and Russ Ortiz. Using Baseball-reference’s tally of Cy Young shares, the Braves won the equivalent of 2.49 Cy Youngs during this period.
During Dale Murphy’s ten years as Braves center fielder (1980-1989), two pitcher-seasons received Cy Young votes: Knucksie’s 5th-place finish in 1982, and Craig McMurtry’s 7th-place finish in 1983, the equivalent of 0.17 Cy Young trophies.
Obviously, that isn’t a great measure of Andruw Jones vs. Dale Murphy, but it suggests to me that, to at least a non-negligible extent, Andruw’s defensive dominance showed up in his teammates’ Cy Young votes, at least as much as in his own MVP vote tally.
Richard Pryor on dogs:
http://tinyurl.com/288pw3o
Damon, apparently, has turned down Boston.
Sam Hutcheson Says:
The difference between dog and cat people is simple. Cat people are strong. We don’t need constant, slobbery affirmation that you adore us. Of course you adore us. We give you food. Now be quiet and let me nap.
Dog people are neurotic, needy attention whores.
Eleanor Abernathy Says:
AAARGHHH!!! *spits*
Sam Hutcheson Says:
The point is that he can, or can not. His decision. I don’t need slobbering affection every minute of every day. I am not an emotionally stunted child.
Eleanor Abernathy: BLLLEERGHGHH!!!
Cats.
There’s a guy in my neighborhood who walks his (small) dog, and his cat walks right along with them, never more than a couple of feet away. Always brightens my day — guess I don’t have a tribe.
so, is bobby doing a straight platoon with mccann and ross now?
1.Infante 2B, 2. Heyward RF, 3. Prado 3B, 4. Lee 1B, 5. Diaz LF, 6. Gonzalez SS, 7. Cabrera CF, 8. Ross C, 9. Lowe
so, what is it with venezuelans and reverse platoons? infante, prado, and aag are all putting up better numbers this year against righties.
David Byrne on animals.
The right cat can be fun. My best pet growing up was a black cat named Willy. He was great. He would eat bacon from the table, and would bow his head when we said the blessing, no joke.
The biggest thing that worries me about Lee is how bad he is getting beat on fastballs. His bat is way, way behind.
35 — McCann has been starting a few times lately against left-handers. It’s mainly a way to get him days off though — and Ross is the perfect backup for him, a lefty masher and good defensive backstop.
You never know what’s going to be discussed on the average day at Braves Journal.
Sex.
Yeah, Lee has not looked to be ANY improvement on Zombie Glaus.
sdp,
you mean SEC
“Let’s talk about SEC – all the good things and the bad things…”
It is said that in Kentucky a pervert is someone who likes sex more than basketball.
About ten years ago, two cats adopted us. Literally showed up at the back door. I (a dog person) was adamant that they would never enter our house.
Today they shed and KAAACK!! hairballs and use our molding as scratching posts and bite my bare feet as I ascend the stairs and I’m oddly grateful. Such is the power of cats.
Oh, we’ve discussed plenty of the bad things.
sdp – You keep using that word, but I’m not convinced you know what it means.
Dogs are, of course, better than cats. But that doesn’t mean cats are worthless. Just that most of them are.
How about something we can all agree on?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3109791/Cruel-cat-woman-gets-protection.html?OTC-RSS&ATTR=News
Cats have no redeeming qualities. Their owners tend to be eccentric, angry loners. A single male who owns a cat is just flat out inexcusable.
@42 Toxoplasmosis does that to you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxoplasmosis
It gets in the brains of rats and rewires them to like cats instead of being afraid of them. How else do you explain crazy cat people?
For awhile, I was a single male with 3 cats. (Long, boring story.) I’ll cop to eccentric.
@45
Pretty sure everyone agrees with you. The debate has been over whether cats cause the anger, loneliness, and eccentricity, or whether those qualities are what drive people to own cats.
@6:
Not true. Dogs taste better.
Well, dogs do have more taste buds than cats, so that may be true.
If there’s anything we can all agree on, it’s that sweeping generalizations are always true.
Specific generalizations too
#49 What kind of marinade are you using?
I’m not picky when it comes to eating, so dogs and cats are fine by me.
@50:
I have never known Koreans to be wrong in matters involving food. The Chinese, on the other hand…
This looks really cool.
Also, it seems that crows don’t agree with me, but they’re not known for their discriminating taste.
Mike N., have you spent much time eating at this restaurant?
@56 I know a lot of people who are incredibly excited about that show.
I saw this on cnnsi.com. I thought it was really good. The article is about Strasburg, but I think is applicable to Minor as well.
http://joeposnanski.si.com/2010/08/24/all-too-familiar/?eref=sihp
15 — I kinda wish we had traded for LaRoche again, left-handedness be damned.
60—I think it was his contract, more than his handedness, which prevented that.
“Bloodbuzz Ohio” is a really great song. That is all.
Carlos Lee delivers again with a 2-run HR for the Astors. 2-0 Houston in the 4th.
Cats are waaaay cuter than dogs. Like no contest. Plus they’re really easy to take care of and won’t annoy the neighbors by randomly barking at anything that walks by. I would like to have both a cat and a dog, but if forced to chose, I would chose a cat every time.
Thanks for the link to that article stupup, really enjoyed reading about some of those guys again. Man, the abuse some of those guys suffered from so many innings so young! Also loved that he called Dibble a “lughead”!
Glaus 0-2 2k’s
Allstar doing what he does…
Lowe is going to give up 5+ tonight; that is his history here in this park, including years when he was much better. We really need to score 7 or 8 (and we can). No shut-out through 4 innings please; that is going to be too much to make up. Lee and McCann need to step up tonight.
I hate the umpires here. None of the pitches to Prado were strikes.
Freaking Lowe.
yeah…this is not going to go well.
Lowe doing what he does.
Since the Phillies are losing we must be destined to lose also.
yep, Lowe doing what he does best
remember this article?
http://assets.espn.go.com/magazine/vol5no18jones.html
walk Cargo
@69
according to gameday, they were all strikes. not anywhere near the atrocity from last night. did i mention i hate lowe? well, i’m overreacting a bit. that was actually a great pitch.
Why do we pitch to that guy? Ugh, nevermind, can’t believe he hit that ball that well.
I hate Lowe
To CarGo’s credit, that was a great swing on a pretty good pitch from Lowe.
EDIT: and then piling on the misery, a 30-foot squibber down the third base line from Tulowitzki on an 0-2 count. If the Rockies are getting those hits today too, Lowe might give up 5 runs, easy.
CarGo is the second coming of Vlad. He’s just a hitting freak.
If the over/under was 5ER for Lowe today, I dont see how anyone would bet under
73 —
Watch Andruw Jones in an Atlanta courtroom last year, during the Gold Club scandal. He is being asked about his sexual escapade with two women — entertainers from the club — in the winter of 1996-97 and, for the first time, his image is being tarnished.
“Both of them. Count it!”
I don’t have much if any confidence in Lowe today, but that pitch to CarGo was way below the strike zone, can’t really fault him for that one.
well I did say 5+. 🙂
crappy 1st inning by the offense. This is a very easy hitting environment, and not one of their aces on the mound. If we crap around and have no runs after 4, shame on us; we are going to get swept (if Ubaldo goes tomorrow).
Way to go, team!
Should have tied the freaking game. Way to go, Alex.
So, when’s the offense showing up tonight?
Edit: Other than AAG, apparently.
Good Lord this stadium is a joke.
87- Agreed, but MLB hasn’t gotten approval yet to drop Denver down a mile-deep pit. Maybe at the next Winter Meetings.
@86 well, we’ve had 3 hits in 2 innings with 2 gidp. that’s not that bad, except the DPs of course.
Lost in all this is the fact that Lee got a hit!
Rollins out on an attempted double steal with one out and Utley up. They could’ve gotten Howard to the plate with two on. Dumb Phillies.
Georgia is doing great in the LLWS again.
It’s time to move Heyward down in the order against LHPs.
Sorry Chip, but that was a terrible 0-2 pitch
93, Didn’t he destroy the Cubs lefty two days ago? Or are you reverse jinxing?
Gwinnett has caught the Atlanta flu it seems, 4 errors so far, 2 by Glaus.
Heyward’s line against LHPs: .229/.327/.344
Phils down 2-1, got a runner at 3rd with 2outs in the 8th
Glaus is done folks
Heyward .910 OPS vs. RHP; .671 vs. LHP.
I just read the Bozo the Clown story on the aol link on the top left. Man, I need to get out more.
Victorino flew out. Houston 2-1 going to 9th
No MLB brave can hit at Gwinnett; McClouth at .235; Schaeffer under .200; Glaus 0-4 with 4 K’s (very small sample size).
Glaus did hit a single in his last AB. Glausmania!
Derrick Lee has quite a bit in common with Bozo the Clown.
Big Feet, Came from Chicago, Both have seen better days.
Diaz is having a terrible year.
Id rather see this team face Halladay, Josh Johnson, and Felix Hernandez before Olsen, Moyer, and Happ
Lee 2-17 now
BMac 1-18
our 4-5 hitters looking great
Glaus just homered to give Gwinnett the lead. A 3 run shot.
since it worked for Glaus, Lee and McCann are done!
Heywards done pretty well against the last 3 lefties he’s faced – I don’t have a tool to do platoon splits sine the ASB though, and tactically it makes sense to break up the lineup a bit to keep from wiped out by a Loogy/Roogy late. I think I would agree with leaving him alone at this point.
That was terrible Omar.
FAIL
ugh
Well, Lowe has pitched as well as could reasonably be expected of him in this park. Time to score some runs.
Melky losing a foot race? Who woulda thunk it.
Goddamn you, Jimmy Rollins.
Rollins just HR’d with 2 outs in the 9th 2-2 now
Well shit. Rollins HR with 2 out to tie
Houston, we have a problem…
#92
Columbus, Ga., again in the LLWS.
I played against their coach when I was in LL. It’s still a big deal down there. Back in the ’70s, Columbus had 9 different leagues. Dunno what the deal is now, but back then you had to win a very stressful local tournament just to compete in the state.
Cargo up with 2 men on. This isn’t promising.
I hate the Rockies and Marlins more than anyone in baseball.
I hate the Phils and Mets much, much, more
melky shows why he’s not a good center fielder. his arm is great, but his positioning when catching a fly ball and his routes are atrocious.
Whew.
Nice catch Omar!
Had it in the bag all the way.
123- Agreed that the Mets and Phils deserve more of our hatred. The Natinals and Cubs deserve the most contempt.
The good news is the Rockies are the ones blowing scoring opps. That’s usually the Braves formula for losing close games.
Bobby should pinch-hit for Lowe here.
Or not…
I still don’t trust him in the 6th.
so, noone has mentioned that glaus has made 2 errors.
what a horrible pitch.
Tomas did at 96.
Stupid sixth inning. You would think someone would have noticed by now.
it’s really hard to believe that derek lowe ever threw a no hitter.
Lowe’s been pretty darn good tonight. And very solid over the last couple of months. I don’t get all of the angst over him.
He’s not out of it yet, but seriously, you guys are bummed at giving up three runs in 6ip at Coors? Tough crowd.
I’m bummed at him clearly laboring in the 5th but being left in anyway.
@139 Well we’ve scored only one against a crappy pitcher and we lost last night too so, yeah.
@141, and this is Lowes fault exactly how?
Lowe pulled off a couple miracles with the jams he got out of. I’m very satisfied with a 6-inning, 3-run performance, but my goodness, he walked a tightrope a couple times there.
not necessarily putting him down tonight. i’m just dumbfounded that a pitcher, such as lowe, that looks so hittable, can throw a no-no.
6 IP, 3 ER is the minimal definition of a “quality start” and often is considered not all that great – but here, we’re talking about Derek Lowe @ Colorado, so it’s pretty good. I think if the Braves’ offense had put up some runs through the first 6 innings everyone would be happy with Lowe’s work.
Astros had 2 on with 1 out in the 11th… but they lined into a double play.
please, god! for my sanity, let derrek lee start hitting.
Also – Lee looks awful right now; it’s like he’s not seeing the ball out of the pitcher’s hand, and he lacks the bat speed to catch up to the fastball at any rate. I wonder how healthy his back really is.
Agree…Lowe’s mediocre tap dance routine would feel a lot better if the offense were doing anything in this game.
Come on, Alex!
YES!
AAG!
Sea Bass!
Wow, that was an absurdly bad route by Melky.
Melk dud.
Good grief that was truly horrible outfield defense.
Chip sucks. Matt “Bell-lyle”?
Time for another DP.
Remember when Belisle was a highly touted Braves prospect? He’s having a great season
There were a lot of cheers after that hit for an away game.
Ha!
Good call, Bethany.
Maybe we need to start bunting again.
Well, that DP was far too easy to predict. It’s been that kind of day.
Just as Omar strands Brian McCann on first, Michael Bourn strands two runners. On to the bottom of the 12th in Philly.
Michael Bourn is the new Willy Taveras.
and the astros bring in their 12th inning guy:
mark melancon: era 7.04
That was a ridiculous time out granted. The pitch was virtually halfway to the plate.
Ah, so this is where the withered husk of Giambi ended up.
top 13 in philly…howard is 0-6 with 4 ks.
Hey, it’s Jason Giambi!
I guess being a mile in the air is sort of like steroids.
@170, add to that his stellar defense, and I’m glad he’s back.
Utley reached last inning. I’m not glad he’s back.
Oh. my. god.
my god. k and a passed ball.
Unbelievable. Strikeout, wild pitch, Brian never touches the ball, it hits the umpire, and now the guy’s on first.
Great catch McCann
Ugh. Reached on a strikeout.
At least no one scored.
That’s awful, Brian.
McCann didnt even get a glove on that
Shades of Randall Simon.
Braves certainly dont deserve to win this one
Ouch.
Dog house for Brian McCann
Freaking hate Colorado.
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Damn it all to hell.
This sucks.
Go ‘Stros.
this team is just awful on the road…thanks BMAC
Another defensive gem tonight…ugh
free tacos in colarado if they score 7. it’ll probably happen.
Danys Baez just made Houston go 1-2-3 in the 13th.
do we really need to start using Ross as a late inning backup?
we need Manny
McCann was crossed up on the pitch. Credit Saito with that one.
@193, I got that feeling, too.
I’m done for the night. I’m scared for this team if the defense stays at this level.
@193
it’s not like it was a misinterpreted pitch he called for a fastball outside and it was a fastball inside. a catcher should make that play.
This Melancon guy is tearing up the Phils. Just made Werth look bad.
It is McCann’s job to catch it. It wasn’t in the dirt.
To quote my earlier David Byrne link, “I’m mad, and that’s a fact.”
I dont think he was crossed up. He never moved his glove. He called for a fastball and got one. Either way, its not any different from the one he missed from Wagner a couple of weeks ago
Castro was just slammed in the knee by a pitch, and the ‘Stros have no more catchers available. Scary moment. He’s toughing it out, though.
Going to the 14th.
Manny please.
Instarecap is up.
howard just got baited. that was absurd.