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If you can’t say something nice don’t say anything at all game thread: Apr. 30, Astros at Braves

Posted by Mac Thomason | Apr 30, 2010 | Game Threads 2010 | 102

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102 Comments

  1. BFedRec
    BFedRec on April 30, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    Is that your way of trying to have no comments on a game thread Mac?

  2. Mac Thomason
    Mac Thomason on April 30, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    No, it’s my way of saying I have no words left.

  3. Stephen in the UAE
    Stephen in the UAE on April 30, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    From the previous thread–and the reference to the Blue Oyster Cult–with Bloom’s cap, I am reminded of the third album and the song–‘Subhuman’….

  4. ryan c
    ryan c on April 30, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    chipper for leadoff, chipper for leadoff..
    as i’m sure a lot of us are, i’ve been in problem solving mode and here’s what i’ve come up with…
    chipper jones is not a 3-hole hitter anymore. in fact, i’m not necessarily sure that we have a 3-hole hitter on our team, but i’d love to see this lineup a time or two this year (although it will never happen).

    chipper
    prado
    heyward
    mccann
    glaus/hinske
    escobar
    mclouth
    diaz/melky

    heyward, mccann, and prado could easily obp .370 or higher a piece while chipper will probably stay around .380-.400. the braves have tried everyone else at leadoff this year. why not chipper?

  5. stupup74
    stupup74 on April 30, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    My church softball team, for which I play 2nd base, won last night. At least I broke my personal losing streak. I could literally feel the tension caused by the bravos leave my body.

    Tonight, bravos get on the good side of the board.

  6. P. W. Hjort
    P. W. Hjort on April 30, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    That was a great video. Perfect for the occasion, and it doubles as a practical joke!

  7. Kevin Lee
    Kevin Lee on April 30, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    I’ve been listening the last few nights to the Reds/Astros games.
    Oswald pitched last night. Carlos Lee slept through a single to left that allowed a runner to go 1st to 3rd.
    Berkman complained of back pain.

    They are ripe for the picking.

  8. Brian J.
    Brian J. on April 30, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    Ah, the resistable force meets the movable object.

  9. csg
    csg on April 30, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    should read Astros at Rome/Gwinnett/Atlanta – they are all the same

  10. timo
    timo on April 30, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    I’m calling a Tommy Hanson shutout tonight!
    Time to put an end to this. Go Braves!

  11. ububba
    ububba on April 30, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    Stephen,
    I always liked “Cities on Flame” & “The Red & The Black.”

    Mac,
    Perfect.

    Cage strikes each chord like we hit with runners on base.

  12. Marc Schneider
    Marc Schneider on April 30, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    Not hopeless, but not looking good. Colorado in 2007 was the only team in the Wild Card era to make it to the playoffs with a 9 game losing streak and no one has made it with 10.

    http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/tmi-mlb/post?id=2719

  13. Stephen in the UAE
    Stephen in the UAE on April 30, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    ububba–At one point in high school the Blue Oyster Cult were my favorite band. I caught them twice in Atlanta (once with Uriah Heep) and still occasionally listen to songs such as ‘Stairway to the Stars’, ‘Hot Rails to Hell’, ‘Flaming Telescopes’ and ‘Astronomy’…

    Time to beat the Astros!

  14. csg
    csg on April 30, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    how does this guy clear waivers?

    Wilfrido Perez Clears Waivers
    By Luke Adams [April 30 at 2:41pm CST]
    FRIDAY, 2:41pm: According to a team press release, Perez has cleared waivers and been outrighted to Double-A Bowie.

    TUESDAY, 2:25pm: The Orioles have designated reliever Wilfrido Perez for assignment, according to a press release. The move clears a roster spot for Alfredo Simon, whose contract the Orioles selected from Triple-A Norfolk.

    The 25-year-old Perez has spent his entire career in Baltimore’s system. Last season, he closed games for the Double-A Bowie Baysox, recording seven saves and a 1.37 ERA in 24 appearances. The left-hander has struck 11.1 batters per nine innings over the course of his minor league career, but is off to a slow start as the Baysox’ closer this year, allowing six runs and 13 baserunners in just five innings.

  15. P. W. Hjort
    P. W. Hjort on April 30, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    12,
    Cool trivia, but that’s all it is.

  16. Mac Thomason
    Mac Thomason on April 30, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    Losing nine or ten games in a row is (a) very hard to make up for and (b) excellent evidence that you’re a bad team.

  17. Marc Schneider
    Marc Schneider on April 30, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    @15,

    I don’t agree. I don’t think it’s necessarily causal, but it does suggest that there is a reason that teams have long losing streaks and it involves being not very good. How many good teams lose 10 or 12 games in a row? Plus, a long losing streak can simply put it too far out to recover. This has not happened with the Braves yet, but they better not wait too long.

  18. csg
    csg on April 30, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    here’s hoping that McLouth gets back on track

    mclouth
    prado
    jones
    mccann
    glaus
    heyward
    melky
    infante

  19. Kyle B.
    Kyle B. on April 30, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    Is it possible that the Nationals are a better team than the Braves? Someone made this argument to me today, and when you’ve lost 9 straight, it’s hard to fight back.

  20. NickC
    NickC on April 30, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    Didn’t the Rays have a ridiculously long losing streak last year? Didn’t make them a bad team, but they had too much to make up.

    I still think the plan for this season was to hang out, then acquire the big bat in July. If it continues like this then there will be tough choices to be made.

  21. P. W. Hjort
    P. W. Hjort on April 30, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    In baseball and in life, randomness happens. You can’t take any observed results at face value, because any observed results are just a samples–not populations.

    What are the chances that a fundamental 85-win team goes 0-9 over a 9 game stretch, for instance? A binomial distribution probability is what we want to use to answer this question. Basically, what are the chances a coin that naturally lands “heads” 85 times out of 162 (52.4691358 per cent of the time) falls on “tails” 9 straight times?

    The answer is 0.0865865 per cent of the time, or one time in every 1155 9-game samples. Since there are 18 9-game samples in a 162-game season, we’d expect a fundamental 85 win team to go 0-9 over a 9-game stretch a little more than once every 65-years. I’m making this number up, but I’ll estimate there’s an average of 12 legitimate contenders for a playoff spot each year. So, about every 5 and 1/2 years, just by chance, we’d expect a legitimate contender to go 0-9 over a 9 game stretch.

    It’s obviously better to win than to lose, and the point about digging a 9-game hole is valid, but I can’t be compelled by any observations about past samples in conjunction with six per cent of the season’s results to give up on this team’s playoff chances. Whether they win or lose tonight, whether or not they’d won some of the 5 games in a row they lost by 8 total runs, et cetera. They’re still a pretty good team, this is no less true now than it was before the season started. Their playoff chances may have taken a hit, but I don’t buy either a) no good team can lose 9 straight or b) this team is incapable of making the post season.

  22. Brian J.
    Brian J. on April 30, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    Yes, the Rays lost 11 straight last September. Even before it started, though, they were 5 games behind the Red Sox for the Wild Card (and also behind Texas) and 12.5 behind the Yankees. Eight of those games were against the Yanks and Sox, and the rest against a Detroit team that went to the tie-breaker game in the AL Central.

    They were already unlikely to go anywhere.

  23. P. W. Hjort
    P. W. Hjort on April 30, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    I apologize to Bobby for complaining about letting Wagner pitch meaningless 9th innings when he’s on 2 days rest or more.

  24. ryan c
    ryan c on April 30, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    great first inning for tommy.

  25. ryan c
    ryan c on April 30, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    BOOOYAH! Atta boy Nate.

  26. urlhix
    urlhix on April 30, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    Something to be said for home cooking.

  27. Shawn
    Shawn on April 30, 2010 at 6:44 pm

    Good for Nate.

  28. Brian J.
    Brian J. on April 30, 2010 at 6:44 pm

    NATE?

  29. RJ in KS
    RJ in KS on April 30, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    Glaus has the green light to swing 3-0???

  30. Ben
    Ben on April 30, 2010 at 6:49 pm

    Did Chip call the McCann Double play a productive out?

  31. Brian J.
    Brian J. on April 30, 2010 at 6:49 pm

    I had “Way to kill that rally” already written out. Glaus’ failure to completely fail is surprising.

  32. Shawn
    Shawn on April 30, 2010 at 6:49 pm

    RJ I was thinking the same thing… why does he have the green light there?

  33. RJ in KS
    RJ in KS on April 30, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    Shawn, the guy isn’t hitting his weight and he swings at what looks like ball 4. I guess in a way it worked out.

  34. Grst
    Grst on April 30, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    Maybe my memory is faulty, but I thought the pitch was right down the middle. Regardless, he shouldn’t have been swinging.

  35. Brian J.
    Brian J. on April 30, 2010 at 7:03 pm

    This team can’t handle even the most fleeting success.

  36. c. shorter
    c. shorter on April 30, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    23 — In that case, I want to see him in 2 out of every 3 games this year. Work him, Bobby.

  37. ryan c
    ryan c on April 30, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    tommy’s catching too much of the plate on his 0-2 pitches.

  38. ryan c
    ryan c on April 30, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    surely they’re going to change the ruling on j-hey’s at bat…that should have been a hit.

  39. ryan c
    ryan c on April 30, 2010 at 7:14 pm

    atta boy NATE! playing smart.

  40. RJ in KS
    RJ in KS on April 30, 2010 at 7:16 pm

    Nate wants to leadoff

  41. c. shorter
    c. shorter on April 30, 2010 at 7:17 pm

    Nate’s on a roll. Good to see.

  42. jjschiller
    jjschiller on April 30, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    Tommy doesn’t seem to ‘expand the strike zone’ when he’s ahead. He either throws something no one would swing at until the count is even, or he gets too much of the plate. Somewhere in between might be beneficial..

  43. ryan c
    ryan c on April 30, 2010 at 7:32 pm

    HEYWARD ROY

  44. RobBroad4th
    RobBroad4th on April 30, 2010 at 7:32 pm

    Kid can hit.

  45. drewdat
    drewdat on April 30, 2010 at 7:32 pm

    J-HEY

  46. Brian J.
    Brian J. on April 30, 2010 at 7:32 pm

    JASON! And something is finally right with the world.

  47. c. shorter
    c. shorter on April 30, 2010 at 7:32 pm

    I had a feeling Mr. Heyward was going to go yard.

  48. Bob V
    Bob V on April 30, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    Amazing how the entire team can get on the back of a 20 yr old…

    seems like they j-hey is gonna be on their all gonna get confidence out of nowhere

  49. P. W. Hjort
    P. W. Hjort on April 30, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    Brett Myers sucks.

  50. Ben
    Ben on April 30, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    @43

    I think that Heyward will probably win NL ROY, but right now Tyler Colvin and Jaime Garcia are making damn good cases too.

  51. Bob V
    Bob V on April 30, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    @50

    j-hey could make a better case if his team wins 50 games and doesnt get swept by mets…

  52. drewdat
    drewdat on April 30, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    I don’t think the stolen base is going to be the answer for our offensive woes. Just a hunch.

    Melky was safe, but only because of a bad tag.

  53. ryan c
    ryan c on April 30, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    nate’s got a little hop in his step tonight. good to see.

  54. Bob Ventimiglia
    Bob Ventimiglia on April 30, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    new to braves journal just making sure this thing work….

  55. RobBroad4th
    RobBroad4th on April 30, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    If you’re gonna bring a sign to the game, make sure you proofread it for spelling errors. Whoops.

  56. Chip (not Caray)
    Chip (not Caray) on April 30, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    @52: Still giggling over Joe’s comment after the dropped Heyward HR ball: “Hey, I just got a text from your Uncle Charlie. He thinks you’re a dork.”

    Well played, Simpson.

  57. Brian J.
    Brian J. on April 30, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    A six-pitch inning? I thought only the Braves’ opponents were allowed to do that.

  58. Robert
    Robert on April 30, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    What are the chances that a fundamental 85-win team goes 0-9 over a 9 game stretch, for instance? A binomial distribution probability is what we want to use to answer this question. Basically, what are the chances a coin that naturally lands “heads” 85 times out of 162 (52.4691358 per cent of the time) falls on “tails” 9 straight times?

    The answer is 0.0865865 per cent of the time, or one time in every 1155 9-game samples

    As a bit of a math geek I feel compelled to point out that this is incorrect.

    An 85 win team’s chances of losing one game is 77/162 = .475308
    So the chances of losing nine straight are (.475308)^9 = .00123817 = 0.124% = 1 in 807.6

    It looks like the mistake was made in the initial calculation of subtracting 85 wins from 162 games and somehow getting 74.

    Since there are 18 9-game samples in a 162-game season, we’d expect a fundamental 85 win team to go 0-9 over a 9-game stretch a little more than once every 65-years.

    So this is wrong too. There are actually 153 chances during a year for a team to lose nine straight games. The samples concepts doesn’t apply here (example two consecutive samples of WWWWLLLLL LLLLWWWWW actually has a nine games losing streak in there). Each nine game segment is an opportunity for a nine game losing streak and there are 153 of them.

  59. Chip (not Caray)
    Chip (not Caray) on April 30, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    Man, Chipper looks old. I don’t know if it’s the hip, or the quad, or the hamstring, or if he’s got an enlarged prostate, but he just looks like he’s 100 years old when he swings the bat. He hasn’t hit a ball hard since…I don’t know, the last HR against Colorado?

  60. Ben
    Ben on April 30, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    Wow…. I knew was saving this for something… http://tiny.cc/6ydoy 🙂

  61. Brian J.
    Brian J. on April 30, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    Nitpicking the nitpick, there are 154 chances to lose 9 straight games in a single 162-game season (games 1-9, 2-10, … , 154-162).

  62. Robert
    Robert on April 30, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    #58 – you are correct. My mistake.

    That’s was some curveball. Wow.

  63. Brian J.
    Brian J. on April 30, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    So then, if this is really an 85-win team, it should expect to suffer a 9-game losing streak just under once every five years, with a 17.37% chance of suffering such a streak within any one season. Pr(losing streak)= (1- (77/162) ^9) ^154.

    (M.S. in Statistics, UGA, 2001)

  64. drewdat
    drewdat on April 30, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    Chip sucks.

  65. c. shorter
    c. shorter on April 30, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    belted and deep!

    well, I guess it was above the wall…

  66. Dan
    Dan on April 30, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    My ears were just raped.

  67. RobBroad4th
    RobBroad4th on April 30, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    Geez, helluva catch.

  68. drewdat
    drewdat on April 30, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    To be fair to Chip, that one was at least going to hit the fence instead of the customary average-depth flyballs.

  69. Chip (not Caray)
    Chip (not Caray) on April 30, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    To be fair to Chip, that was a HR– until Pence went and got it. That wasn’t a weak popout to deep second.

  70. Robert
    Robert on April 30, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    They know it’s a TV game right? And that we can see that the ball would have hit the wall? I know ‘robbed him of a double’ doesn’t sound as good but we can see guys.

  71. Chip (not Caray)
    Chip (not Caray) on April 30, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    @67- I don’t think so. That ball was at least on the yellow line. It wasn’t the bomb they make it sound like, but it was a HR.

  72. Shawn
    Shawn on April 30, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    Chip just called the 9th “all-important”. Doesn’t that go without saying?!

  73. Brian J.
    Brian J. on April 30, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    Does Chip ever let anything go without saying?

  74. Ben
    Ben on April 30, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    This is some vintage Hibernation Mode.

  75. RobBroad4th
    RobBroad4th on April 30, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    68, I think so too.

  76. Bob Ventimiglia
    Bob Ventimiglia on April 30, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    “oh, look what i found! and wagner did his job”

  77. Chip (not Caray)
    Chip (not Caray) on April 30, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    @70: Let it go without saying that truer words have never been spoken.

  78. drewdat
    drewdat on April 30, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    It looked like Pence caught it a little before he got to the wall, carrying it to the yellow line.

    Holy crap, we won!

  79. Kyle B.
    Kyle B. on April 30, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    When did the Braves hire Garth Hudson as the stadium organist? I hear “Chest Fever” between every at bat.

  80. Weldon
    Weldon on April 30, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    Hallelujah!

  81. Brian J.
    Brian J. on April 30, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    Yeah! We… do that thing where we made the other team lose, whatever that’s called!

  82. oldtimer?
    oldtimer? on April 30, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    that felt good to watch.

  83. c. shorter
    c. shorter on April 30, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    1st of 9 straight?

  84. Andrew B
    Andrew B on April 30, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    Carlos Lee is, well, not fast.

  85. Randy
    Randy on April 30, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    Yeah Baby, One in a row!

  86. Robert
    Robert on April 30, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    Jesus, take it easy Chip. I’m glad we won too but I’ve managed to restrain myself from taking a victory lap around my living room. We are still in last place.

  87. urlhix
    urlhix on April 30, 2010 at 8:59 pm

    Finally.

    @75, yeah, the organist is rocking this year.

  88. c. shorter
    c. shorter on April 30, 2010 at 8:59 pm

    82 — awesome

  89. P. W. Hjort
    P. W. Hjort on April 30, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    55, 58, 60,

    Thanks for correcting that. I agree with both points.

    So, basically, it looks like we could reasonably expect 2 contenders to suffer a 9-game losing streak in any year. That’s about what I anticipated, it makes sense my methodology was wrong.

  90. kc
    kc on April 30, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    OMG, WE WON!!!!

  91. Frank
    Frank on April 30, 2010 at 9:22 pm

    Rome and Gwinnett both won and like the big boys both had 2 homers in their games. Now that’s a statistical rarity. 🙂

  92. Ben
    Ben on April 30, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    Hey…. Is it weird that the last Braves at-bat before the losing streak was a McClouth home run, and the first Braves at-bat ending the streak is a McClouth homerun?

  93. csg
    csg on April 30, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    Is Bobby smart enough to leave Nate at leadoff for more than just one or two more games? IM guessing his next 0-4 night will have him hitting 8th again

  94. ububba
    ububba on April 30, 2010 at 9:58 pm

    Yahoo, the streak is dead.

    Slightly ironic because I just came back from sitting shiva at a friend’s place (for his elderly dad).

    And, in between devouring heaping mounds of brisket & marble cake, what was the family discussing? The Yankees & the shortcomings of Javier Vazquez.

    Let’s go for 2 in a row, y’all.

    stephen,
    “Astronomy” is a big fave for me, too. I think I saw them about 4 times as a teen. Quite a laser light show.

  95. csg
    csg on April 30, 2010 at 9:58 pm

    Carroll has a blog up – Wagner is retiring at seasons end

  96. sdp
    sdp on April 30, 2010 at 10:37 pm

    Brian Jordan rivals Chip Caray in jackassery.

  97. ryan c
    ryan c on April 30, 2010 at 10:46 pm

    if he apologizes, why is it “jackassery”?

    on a side note: heyward, at the least, should have been 2-4. in the first inning, the defense had a shift on, the ss had to backhand the ball up the left side of the middle, booted it for 1/2 a sec, picked the ball up and threw to first. jason was already well past the bag. calling that an error was poor judgment.

  98. csg
    csg on April 30, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    well Pence took away his 2nd HR of the night also

  99. sdp
    sdp on April 30, 2010 at 11:07 pm

    @93:

    “Brian Jordan apologized to former teammate Chipper Jones after recent comments he made on a nationally syndicated radio show.”

    Then you have:

    Jordan said Friday that didn’t necessarily apologize for his comments – that Jones should train harder and stretch more to avoid injuries – but rather that the Braves third baseman had to deal with the fallout.

    It seems confusing and ridiculous to me. So, he’s not really sorry for criticizing Chipper over a radio show, he’s just sorry that Chipper had to be in New York just after the comments. Whuhh….

  100. sdp
    sdp on April 30, 2010 at 11:28 pm

    I got two big laughs out of this video.

  101. kc
    kc on May 1, 2010 at 3:16 am

    Who cares about Brian Jordan?

    And Chipper really needs to start thinking about retirement. Maybe he can replace TP!

  102. Mac Thomason
    Mac Thomason on May 1, 2010 at 5:23 am

    Recapped.

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