double post:
did anyone see where pena has already been dfa’d by kansas city? what’s the purpose? i really dont understand baseball transactions sometimes. it says they have “long term plans” with him and hope he passes through waivers without being grabbed by another team. i guess that is supposed to answer my question.
nopepper
on June 1, 2008 at 9:20 am
You drew me out of the woodwork with this video Mac – waaay out of your wheelhouse! Sometimes the most depressing songs are uplifting, at least to me anyway. This is one of the greatest of all time.
mraver
on June 1, 2008 at 9:26 am
They’re hoping to get him through waivers and assign him to AAA.
MikeM
on June 1, 2008 at 9:39 am
I’ll be at Great American today in Braves gear. Hope I get to see an Atlanta win.
Huh, weird. I guess by claiming him with their advantageous waiver postition, they blocked other teams from claiming him — but because they claimed him, he remained out of options, so he’d have had to go to KC.
But by DFAing him again, they expose him to the other teams anyway. I guess the advantage gained is in not seeing him go unclaimed in the first place, so that he’d have been free to negotiate a minor league contract with anyone.
But that “anyone” would have included the Royals in the first place…hmmm…this seems like one of those gentlemen’s agreements among GMs where Dayton Moore puts up a flag saying the Royals want him, and everyone else just says okay. It’ll be interesting to see if he gets claimed again.
The Royals designated Peña for assignment Saturday — one day after claiming him on waivers from Atlanta — in order to clear roster space for pitcher Kyle Davies, who started Saturday’s game against Cleveland.
The move clears the way for the Royals to send Peña through waivers in the hopes that he will go unclaimed and can, therefore, be outrighted to the minors.
“We’d like to hold onto him,” general manager Dayton Moore said. “It’s a chance to add depth to the catching position in our organization.”
ricflair
on June 1, 2008 at 11:10 am
Sorry maybe the Braves will claim him off waivers and then they can rid of Corky. Yeah right.
Are there any other theories about this chain of events? Because otherwise it strikes me as very minor but very real collusion (if he goes unclaimed).
mraver
on June 1, 2008 at 11:20 am
How is it collusion? They want him, just not on their ML roster. They had a ML roster spot to play around with, so they made the move. If someone else wants him on their ML roster, they can just claim him now.
If someone else wants him on their ML roster, they can just claim him now.
Right — as I said, it would only have a whiff of collusion if nobody claims him.
They want him, just not on their ML roster. They had a ML roster spot to play around with, so they made the move.
See, that’s just it. Limited options is based on the notion that a player has earned the right, after a particular amount of time, to force his employer to “fish or cut bait” — he can’t be jerked around interminably between the minors and the majors. The Braves, in DFAing him, cut bait.
At this point, Pena had the opportunity to secure a major league job with any team that chose to claim him — in this case, the Kansas City Royals. The waiver claim is supposed to mean he has a major league job and salary. Claiming him and then waiving him a day later, while saying you still want him, seems to me a subversion of the intent of the rule.
If the intent was to offer him a minor league position in the first place, then let him pass through waivers and sign him afterwards — Pena having lost the use of his option clock, but at least having been given a fair shot at the open market. By waiving him now, they are saying they’re willing to risk that he won’t be claimed.
But they obviously weren’t willing to risk it the first time around. In the absence of any other variables, I’m left with the assumption that there’s less risk of the Royals losing him this time. That’s evidence of a manipulated market — hence, collusion.
ryan c
on June 1, 2008 at 12:33 pm
timmy really dropping it down today. he’s almost throwing sidearm.
Nick
on June 1, 2008 at 12:37 pm
Goddammit, we’re screwing with the uniforms again. I am officially predicting that we are not gonna come out of this slump until we realize that the uniform makes ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE!!! Superstition is for no-talented losers. Real players make their own luck.
ryan c
on June 1, 2008 at 12:46 pm
reds helping us out…0 out 1 runner on, 2-1 count and timmy’s not throwing strikes, so what do you do? steal second.
Dave
on June 1, 2008 at 12:48 pm
yeah…can’t have Votto clogging up those bases now can we
Frank
on June 1, 2008 at 12:51 pm
Driving home about 30 min ago Lemke starts blathering about Dusty Baker being a good manager for young players. His reputation is otherwise–just ask Kerry Wood’s and Mark Prior’s arms. Maybe the rep is unfair but what planet does Lemke inhabit?
mraver
on June 1, 2008 at 12:55 pm
Braves need to stop hitting the ball hard against this guy; it’s clearly not working.
Nick
on June 1, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Holy crap!!!
Mike
on June 1, 2008 at 12:59 pm
NORTON
Dan
on June 1, 2008 at 1:01 pm
“Superstition is for no-talented losers.”
So pretty much all baseball players are “losers.”
mraver
on June 1, 2008 at 1:02 pm
I’m really starting to hate that kid. Couldn’t he have his Magical Start against someone else?
Correct. The uniform absolutely makes no difference.
And if Phillips had hustled out of the box instead of worshipping his fly ball that bounced on the warning track, he’d have made 3rd. Thanks, Brandon.
Gotta get some balls to fall in. Gotta get Huddy to settle here or this is one’s going to become another downer. How many videos does Joy Division have?
I think it would be the perfect ending to this road trip for some miscellaneous pitcher to throw a perfect game at us, don’t you?
Remy
on June 1, 2008 at 1:20 pm
#30
And it’s the last time the Braves will play the Reds this year, so why not?
Adam M
on June 1, 2008 at 1:20 pm
Cueto is a nice young arm who actually garnered more praise out of the box than did Volquez. The Reds are stacked with young hurlers… frankly, and I can’t believe I’m saying this, I’m jealous.
mraver
on June 1, 2008 at 1:22 pm
If Cueto does end up perfect, it’ll be the worst perfect game ever thrown. Half the balls hit today have been drilled, and he’s only got one K thus far. (Though Frenchy is up now, so stay tuned on that issue…)
Dusty is going to go crazy after the game. “HOW DARE YOU VIOLATE THE UNWRITTEN RULES OF THE GAME BY BUNTING FOR A HIT IN A NO-HIT BID! YOU WILL BURN IN HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY!”
Stockman or Carlyle absolutely needs to pitch some innings in this game. Everyone else is pretty tired at this point, and I think Acosta should be off-limits today.
Rick
on June 1, 2008 at 2:11 pm
what happened? I am following the game on the internet and not sure what happened?
braves14
on June 1, 2008 at 2:11 pm
I wonder who it will be to go when Smoltz gets activated.
avery
on June 1, 2008 at 2:11 pm
ya – same here – no pitches since EEncarnacion single
Escobar needs to move out of the leadoff spot right now.
Nick
on June 1, 2008 at 2:41 pm
Am I the only one who’s getting really sick of Joe’s crusade against maple bats. OK, maybe something needs to be done, we get it. It isn’t gonna happen until the end of the season, so can we not mention it every single time a bat breaks?
I’ve turned off Jeff Brantley. Turned on the Bad Brains.
Frank
on June 1, 2008 at 2:48 pm
Simpson: they [the Reds] looked flat in Atlanta
Yeah, sort of like the Braves look in Cincy.
Tony
on June 1, 2008 at 2:50 pm
Man this team is really bad….
Nick
on June 1, 2008 at 2:52 pm
It was Boyer’s knee. They haven’t said specifically what it is yet, just that it’s an injured knee and that he’s being evaluated.
Tony
on June 1, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Say what you want about Dusty…but Bruce came up and Dusty stuck him right in the two hole. He may not be good with pitchers, but young hitters love him.
Nick
on June 1, 2008 at 2:53 pm
I don’t know how you can say this team is really bad or this team sucks. It’s pretty obvious that it doesn’t, that’s what’s so frustrating about it. If this team were actually bad, I’m pretty sure we all could have accepted it by now.
Brad
on June 1, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Nick…accept it. They’ve been .500 for over 2 years. Ain’t going to change with this group os guys.
Brad
on June 1, 2008 at 2:54 pm
*of
Cory
on June 1, 2008 at 2:56 pm
According to MLB Gameday, Burton has thrown nothing but sliders… That can’t possibly be accurate can it?
Again, I’ll intone the late Ian Curtis, who once moaned, “Where will it end?”
Nick
on June 1, 2008 at 3:00 pm
First of all, there’s a difference between mediocre and bad. Secondly, when pretty much every single meaningful statistic has us near the top of the league, I don’t think you can say that we’re bad. Ridiculously underperforming, but not bad. You can call it whatever you want, but there’s a difference.
Ben
on June 1, 2008 at 3:01 pm
I can’t believe that this team is only 3 games out. They suck. Even Chipper is starting to get tired of carrying the team. How many more people are going to get hurt, banged up, twinged, etc.? We will be lucky to go 81-81.
mraver
on June 1, 2008 at 3:01 pm
This is stupid.
Tony
on June 1, 2008 at 3:02 pm
The worse record in the majors on the road and one-run games does not indicate a strong team to me. But with that being said McCann, KJ, Escobar and Francouer are still so young. I think we forget sometimes. Look at Philly, their core ages: Rollins is 30 y/o, Howard, 29, Utley is 30. Even the rookie catcher for the Cubs is older than Francouer.
Brad
on June 1, 2008 at 3:02 pm
I’d rather lead the division than the stats. Yes, the pieces are there to be good, but for whatever reason, this particular group of guys has not shown the ability to sustain winning streaks long enough to win anything.
ex-braves represented well last night.
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2008_05_31_clemlb_kcamlb_1&mode=wrap#boxscore
double post:
did anyone see where pena has already been dfa’d by kansas city? what’s the purpose? i really dont understand baseball transactions sometimes. it says they have “long term plans” with him and hope he passes through waivers without being grabbed by another team. i guess that is supposed to answer my question.
You drew me out of the woodwork with this video Mac – waaay out of your wheelhouse! Sometimes the most depressing songs are uplifting, at least to me anyway. This is one of the greatest of all time.
They’re hoping to get him through waivers and assign him to AAA.
I’ll be at Great American today in Braves gear. Hope I get to see an Atlanta win.
Which Pena?
Brayan. And they replaced his spot on the roster by calling up Davies.
Huh, weird. I guess by claiming him with their advantageous waiver postition, they blocked other teams from claiming him — but because they claimed him, he remained out of options, so he’d have had to go to KC.
But by DFAing him again, they expose him to the other teams anyway. I guess the advantage gained is in not seeing him go unclaimed in the first place, so that he’d have been free to negotiate a minor league contract with anyone.
But that “anyone” would have included the Royals in the first place…hmmm…this seems like one of those gentlemen’s agreements among GMs where Dayton Moore puts up a flag saying the Royals want him, and everyone else just says okay. It’ll be interesting to see if he gets claimed again.
They got rid of Tony Pena not Bryan Pena.
KC Star
Sorry maybe the Braves will claim him off waivers and then they can rid of Corky. Yeah right.
Are there any other theories about this chain of events? Because otherwise it strikes me as very minor but very real collusion (if he goes unclaimed).
How is it collusion? They want him, just not on their ML roster. They had a ML roster spot to play around with, so they made the move. If someone else wants him on their ML roster, they can just claim him now.
If someone else wants him on their ML roster, they can just claim him now.
Right — as I said, it would only have a whiff of collusion if nobody claims him.
They want him, just not on their ML roster. They had a ML roster spot to play around with, so they made the move.
See, that’s just it. Limited options is based on the notion that a player has earned the right, after a particular amount of time, to force his employer to “fish or cut bait” — he can’t be jerked around interminably between the minors and the majors. The Braves, in DFAing him, cut bait.
At this point, Pena had the opportunity to secure a major league job with any team that chose to claim him — in this case, the Kansas City Royals. The waiver claim is supposed to mean he has a major league job and salary. Claiming him and then waiving him a day later, while saying you still want him, seems to me a subversion of the intent of the rule.
If the intent was to offer him a minor league position in the first place, then let him pass through waivers and sign him afterwards — Pena having lost the use of his option clock, but at least having been given a fair shot at the open market. By waiving him now, they are saying they’re willing to risk that he won’t be claimed.
But they obviously weren’t willing to risk it the first time around. In the absence of any other variables, I’m left with the assumption that there’s less risk of the Royals losing him this time. That’s evidence of a manipulated market — hence, collusion.
timmy really dropping it down today. he’s almost throwing sidearm.
Goddammit, we’re screwing with the uniforms again. I am officially predicting that we are not gonna come out of this slump until we realize that the uniform makes ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE!!! Superstition is for no-talented losers. Real players make their own luck.
reds helping us out…0 out 1 runner on, 2-1 count and timmy’s not throwing strikes, so what do you do? steal second.
yeah…can’t have Votto clogging up those bases now can we
Driving home about 30 min ago Lemke starts blathering about Dusty Baker being a good manager for young players. His reputation is otherwise–just ask Kerry Wood’s and Mark Prior’s arms. Maybe the rep is unfair but what planet does Lemke inhabit?
Braves need to stop hitting the ball hard against this guy; it’s clearly not working.
Holy crap!!!
NORTON
“Superstition is for no-talented losers.”
So pretty much all baseball players are “losers.”
I’m really starting to hate that kid. Couldn’t he have his Magical Start against someone else?
🙁
well this sucks!!!!
when did the reds lineup become dangerous?
Correct. The uniform absolutely makes no difference.
And if Phillips had hustled out of the box instead of worshipping his fly ball that bounced on the warning track, he’d have made 3rd. Thanks, Brandon.
Gotta get some balls to fall in. Gotta get Huddy to settle here or this is one’s going to become another downer. How many videos does Joy Division have?
This game feels like it’s already over.
#26
When Hairston and Bruce got called up.
I think it would be the perfect ending to this road trip for some miscellaneous pitcher to throw a perfect game at us, don’t you?
#30
And it’s the last time the Braves will play the Reds this year, so why not?
Cueto is a nice young arm who actually garnered more praise out of the box than did Volquez. The Reds are stacked with young hurlers… frankly, and I can’t believe I’m saying this, I’m jealous.
If Cueto does end up perfect, it’ll be the worst perfect game ever thrown. Half the balls hit today have been drilled, and he’s only got one K thus far. (Though Frenchy is up now, so stay tuned on that issue…)
And who would ever think Frenchy would break up a perfect game with a walk?
Mets have Santana going tonight. We lose, they win, we’re tied.
Perfect game ruined by a Francoeur walk of all things.
this sucks!!!!
What a way to lose a perfecto….
A walk!!!!
He made a big mistake throwing that 3-2 pitch to Francoeur in the right handed batters’ box instead of the left handed one.
I sure love how Dusty ran himself out of that inning.
It would probably be a fitting end to the road trip if we were to get no-hit here.
What do you know? A bunt single!
nice job “should be leadoff” Blanco!
Bunt single to break up the no-no?
Followed by yet another bunt attempt. In other words, Death by a Thousand Cuts.
from perfect to no-no to a runner in scoring position?
Dusty is going to go crazy after the game. “HOW DARE YOU VIOLATE THE UNWRITTEN RULES OF THE GAME BY BUNTING FOR A HIT IN A NO-HIT BID! YOU WILL BURN IN HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY!”
And Yunel continues to flounder in the leadoff spot.
Entering the game, Yunel batting leadoff:
.253 .305 .307
Yunel batting second:
.328 .401 .450
Escobar looks like 2006 Francoeur now.
I think Yunel’s something like 1 for 13 in the series.
why not move blanco to the leadoff, yunel to the 2 hole and kj to the 6 or 7 hole?
cueto…. jesus!!
Alright, Tex. There’s one.
I’m not really sure how he kept that fair.
tex!
TEX
OK, now we’re getting to him.
B-Mac!
I hate to say it, but: one run game.
Nothing better than a game of Home Run Derby on a Sunday afternoon. Go Braves!
Come on!!!
come on frenchy
one run game now… were doomed
what WHAT!
Nice power, Frenchy.
We gotta tie it here.
What was up with MLB.tv’s graphic of McCann’s 20th double of the season?
nice, way to go frenchy…..too bad Norton is up…
frenchy is faster with his socks up
joelk,
That was from the Cincy TV feed. Some graphics guy has his head up his bum.
Well, that doesn’t look good.
Well, that’s not good.
Stockman or Carlyle absolutely needs to pitch some innings in this game. Everyone else is pretty tired at this point, and I think Acosta should be off-limits today.
what happened? I am following the game on the internet and not sure what happened?
I wonder who it will be to go when Smoltz gets activated.
ya – same here – no pitches since EEncarnacion single
Hudson left with something wrong with his hamstring.
Hudson had to leave the game after what looked like a tweak of his calf or hamstring.
That is not good
It didn’t look serious, FWIW.
This is even worse than annyoing 1 run losses.
DAMNIT!!!!!!!
Please don’t let this be longterm sigh
boyer in… next inning bennet then acosta… right?
Rare misplay by Escobar.
Or Boyer, either way. ^_^
Hairston is so annyoing
The Braves threw that momentum away quickly.
Ballgame.
this blows.
This team just sucks.
I really don’t like Bruce.
These announcers are idiots.
I’d get Boyer out of there right now!!
Now Boyer’s hurt.
this is almost funny.
Well, Bobby finally broke his favorite toy.
holy crap, what next, we score two and lose 5-4?
and, there goes 1.
This is unbelievable but so expected. Mac: Your turn!
elbow.
this is just unreal. how bad can we run?????
For the record, I don’t think his overuse has much to do with his foot slipping.
I don’t think it was his elbow. If it was, it was because his foot slipped.
Nice of Brian to attempt to block that.
pffffffff…. gnight
what the hell… come votto.. give me a hommer for my fantasy team
Peanut says Hudson had a cramp.
Jon says it was a strained hamstring.
Well, TV just said he has a strained hamstring.
Escobar needs to move out of the leadoff spot right now.
Am I the only one who’s getting really sick of Joe’s crusade against maple bats. OK, maybe something needs to be done, we get it. It isn’t gonna happen until the end of the season, so can we not mention it every single time a bat breaks?
I’ve turned off Jeff Brantley. Turned on the Bad Brains.
Simpson: they [the Reds] looked flat in Atlanta
Yeah, sort of like the Braves look in Cincy.
Man this team is really bad….
It was Boyer’s knee. They haven’t said specifically what it is yet, just that it’s an injured knee and that he’s being evaluated.
Say what you want about Dusty…but Bruce came up and Dusty stuck him right in the two hole. He may not be good with pitchers, but young hitters love him.
I don’t know how you can say this team is really bad or this team sucks. It’s pretty obvious that it doesn’t, that’s what’s so frustrating about it. If this team were actually bad, I’m pretty sure we all could have accepted it by now.
Nick…accept it. They’ve been .500 for over 2 years. Ain’t going to change with this group os guys.
*of
According to MLB Gameday, Burton has thrown nothing but sliders… That can’t possibly be accurate can it?
We follow an 8-3 homestand with a 1-5 road trip.
Again, I’ll intone the late Ian Curtis, who once moaned, “Where will it end?”
First of all, there’s a difference between mediocre and bad. Secondly, when pretty much every single meaningful statistic has us near the top of the league, I don’t think you can say that we’re bad. Ridiculously underperforming, but not bad. You can call it whatever you want, but there’s a difference.
I can’t believe that this team is only 3 games out. They suck. Even Chipper is starting to get tired of carrying the team. How many more people are going to get hurt, banged up, twinged, etc.? We will be lucky to go 81-81.
This is stupid.
The worse record in the majors on the road and one-run games does not indicate a strong team to me. But with that being said McCann, KJ, Escobar and Francouer are still so young. I think we forget sometimes. Look at Philly, their core ages: Rollins is 30 y/o, Howard, 29, Utley is 30. Even the rookie catcher for the Cubs is older than Francouer.
I’d rather lead the division than the stats. Yes, the pieces are there to be good, but for whatever reason, this particular group of guys has not shown the ability to sustain winning streaks long enough to win anything.
If Hudson heads to the DL, will we see Morton?
Recap up in record speed because I had no doubt that the game was over entering the ninth.
I don’t like the Reds
I agree Chipper is probably tired,,,,