Peyton Manning is a whiny baby who just spent three quarters of a playoff game with both hands wrapped around his own neck and even the officials couldn’t bail him out with a suspicious replay reversal.
That is all.
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All that is quite true. A classic choker.
And he was 4-0 against ‘Bama.
Missed the game, but cannot say I am sorry that the playoffs are now Manning-less.
This team was never the same after Dungy’s son’s suicide. Manning didn’t seem to play too badly but not was certainly not his normal self. The O-Line didn’t play well at all and that hurt both Manning and James.
Lets figure out the analogy…
Dan Marino is to Peyton Manning as
Joe Montana is to Tom Brady.
Who does that make Jake Plummer? Phil Simms? Jay Schroeder?
Actually, Jake Plummer is Theodore Kazynski.
What’s with all the Manning-hate? Am I missing something?
God i cant think of one Tennessee guy i like…
Charles Woodson deserved the Heisman -.o
Right Stu?
So, in everyone’s opinion, which was the weirder replay reversal, the Polamalu Knee Rule or the Brady Tuck Rule? I’ve got to vote for the former. I have never heard of that explanation before. How it wasn’t an interception is beyond my capacity to understand. The Colts had this game practically handed to them with that and the Bettis fumble, and yet Mike Vanderjerkoff managed to directly lose it with the funniest missed field goal I’ve seen in awhile. What a great game.
Also, someone said Reggie Wayne shoved Manning on the sideline? Did anyone see that?
This was the Colts’ year & they blew it. End of story. They’ll have to deal with it.
I’m not a Manning hater. I fully suspect he’ll get a ring, probably next year. His post-game comments were frustration talking, but they were still lame. He’ll get roasted & it’ll be his burden–for another year.
Pittsburgh had a great gameplan & I don’t remember that anyone ever accused Bill Cowher of being a great post-season coach. (He’s a little Schottenheimer-ish, actually. His teams seem to blow it at home when they’re favored.) But early on, they exploited that soft spot in the Cover 2 (middle & deep middle) and their QB was great (until it appeared that he got hurt).
I wasn’t rooting for anyone, but I must admit that when The Bus fumbled and the guy whose wife stabbed him last night picked it up, I couldn’t wait to see those headlines. If he’d gone all the way (and maybe he should’ve), that would’ve been the weirdest big play since The Immaculate Reception.
A truly bizarre game. Can’t say I’m fired up about the next round. I’ll just root for whomever has more UGA players. If that plays out, then we get a Pitt-Caro SB XL (3 each).
Hines on Champ is going to be crazy
I guess I’m rooting for the Seahawks because of Shaun Alexander.
Its this kind of “commentary” that detracts from Braves Journal.
In fairness to Peyton, I have never seen an offensive line perform that poorly.I don’t think any of those guys should be expecting any Isotoner gloves for Christmas.
On the NFL Network, Terrell Davis compared this loss to the Bronco’s in 96, when they lost to the Jaguars. Excellent comparison. At the time Elway was considered to be a huge choker as well.
Obviously your knowledge of football is lacking. Did you even watch the game? If so, you would have seen an o-line that had no clue what they were doing. They couldn’t adjust to the blitz all day long, just terrible. Whether you don’t like Manning or you don’t, how could you possibly say that Manning choked? Seemed to me that when given time, Manning was lights out, after his 0-4 start. Some of the passes that he threw to Reggie Wayne toward the end of the game were incredible.
I have to agree, awb. I know baseball news is slow, but geez. Problem is, we can whine about it, but it’ll just keep going. It’s frustrating, I know, but it’s best to just let it play itself out and check back in a few days when the topic is on the title again. The title, of course, being ‘Braves Journal.’
If you know of a place where the discussion is mostly baseball, do tell.
(and I’m not really complaining, Mac….you post a great Murphy thread for days and people whine about that for some reason. You can’t make everybody happy, and I’m sure you wouldn’t waste your time trying. It’s a great blog, but it sure focuses on college , and now pro, footballl an awful lot.)
I’m not a big football fan either, but these posts are okay. What I’d like to see is a topic about how some of the Braves are doing in winter league ball.
ESPN says the Dodgers have traded for Danys Baez, so that prevents the Braves from overpaying for him.
I like Peyton Manning and I am sorry that he lost again. Also, since I have young kids I don’t keep up with football as much as I would like so maybe I am wrong, but Tom Brady seems to be something like the Derek Jeter of the NFL. He’s obviously a great player, but is he really that great? People talk about him like Jeter – great leader, good in the clutch, etc. I always though Belicheck was more responsible for the teams success though.
I hear Villareal has done some really good work in the Mexican league and could be in the mix at CL. I doubt they’ll choose one pre-ST, but the more guys pitching well enough to do the job, the better.
I am not a big manning fan, but i am a huge tony dungy fan and while i am sad to not see him go farther, i am glad that he is now able to go home a properly grieve with his family.
If I tell everyone that they shouldn’t be writing about what others should write about, am I invoking Mac’s new rule that only he can tell others what not to write or am I breaking it?
I root for the Steelers but was sad to see the Colts lose. I think Peyton is a good guy who gets a bad rap for reasons I don’t really understand. I don’t think he played his best game yesterday but he played well enough for the Colts to win if they’d gotten anything from their defense or their line.
For what it’s worth, Tom Brady really stabbed his team in the back by throwing that pick to Champ Bailey. I think they would have lost no matter what, but that really hurt. Of course, Champ stabbed HIS team in the back by slowing down and allowing former UGA grad Ben Watson to tackle him. Too bad the officials didn’t see the ball go over the post (well, not really – I was rooting for Denver).
Would the people who apparently take delight in Peyton’s misfortunte (e.g. Mac for one) at least explain why they feel that way about him?
Peyton is a jerkoff, and he always blames his teammates for his shortcomings. Bad throw, oh no no no, that receiver was in the wrong place. Held on to the ball too long, oh of course not, my o-line didn’t block for four seconds, while I pumped the ball 53 times. His comments after the game, the ones where he threw his o-line and possibly coaches under the bus, just goes to show what kind of team player he is. And by the way, Mac has every right to expand his horizons here, I would rather read and comment on this than getting those damned Boston or Theo updates everyday.
I’m a big Manning fan. He’s a nerd in a jock’s world.
Does anyone have a link to where I can read Mannings comments?
Now that Julio is with the NY M***, does the “Juliometer” come down? His leaving is still the one of the offseason (so far) that makes me saddest
People hate Manning because he grew up with a cushy life as the son of an NFL quarterback, only to be better than his dad as he whooped everyone in the SEC except for Florida. Then he set the NFL TD record. It’s jealousy. I’ve never liked him, but if he had less success he would be more liked.
I don’t mind Peyton that much, but I tire of Archie and his Grand Dame act. I am more ticked over the Eli to the Giants thing than anything Peyton has done.
Maybe it’s guilt by association, but Peyton has also turned into this real prick on the field and he hasn’t always been a team guy in the locker room and that wears thin.
I can’t say anything bad about Peyton, he is like a god at my house. He will win the Super Bowl one day. I think Tony Dungy should get more blame. In 3-4 diffrent seasons he has had the best talent in the league and come up short.
Another thing to think about is 41-14 (Bama fans on this board know what that means.)
Mike,
Here is a link that has several post-game quotes:
http://media3.steelers.com/article/61284/
I think Manning’s quote about his protection were right on. The line looked terrible yesterday. Guys were comming in untouched!
That’s true smitty. But we all know that manning is the one calling plays. It was his responsiblity to put the team and the line in a position to succeed, and he just did not do that.
Would the people who apparently take delight in Peyton’s misfortunte (e.g. Mac for one) at least explain why they feel that way about him?
Hmmm, I’m trying to figure out whether I really do take delight in his misfortune, or merely root against him. I’ll list the reasons I root against him:
1. UGA/UT — As a UGA grad, this really trumps all other considerations. Couldn’t stand the hoopla surrounding his arrival and hated when he beat us. It’s fandom, so it’s irrational. I wouldn’t expect Stu to have rooted for Herschel Walker.
2. He plays the game with a haughty arrogance that you love if you’re rooting for him, and gets on your last nerve if you’re not (see Herschel).
3. The air of entitlement about the Heisman thing. I began hearing the phrase “Peyton’s Heisman” very early in his senior year, and it just made me cringe. Was it “stolen”, as many have professed? I don’t know, how do you compare a QB to a DB? Isn’t it possible that Woodson was better at his job than Manning was at his?
4. I have a deeply ingrained mistrust of anything or anybody that seems to receive universal, uncritical praise, and that’s how it strikes me that Manning is portrayed in the media. Refused to see Titanic, don’t like U2, don’t like Peyton Manning.
5. I think he’s a phony. I can’t prove it, and I may be wrong, but there it is.
As to whether I delight in his misfortune, I still don’t know. Now, if you’ll excuse me, I must go frolic.
Too much Murphy! Get over it! Too much football! This is a Braves site! Gimme Oscar Villareal’s home-away Little-League splits! Purity in Braveland!
For those unwilling or unable to grasp this, I’ll try another angle: You can bring what Bravetalk you like to this forum; you can take what you like from this forum. If it’s some number-crunching, a theory, whatever, go for it. It’s cool.
If you have a question for something that’s just eating you up, go ahead and ask it. I’m guessing someone will have an answer. If you see a thread that doesn’t particularly interest you, you might think, “Hey, that’s not for me,” and move on. There’s this thing called free will, y’see…
For the most part, this little internet village stays on-point. The fact that its participants have some interests beyond Braveland, to me, adds some spice, it doesn’t detract. It gives the forum and its participants a distinct personality.
The reason we’re here in the first place is the Atlanta Braves. Isn’t that a given?
4. I have a deeply ingrained mistrust of anything or anybody that seems to receive universal, uncritical praise, and that’s how it strikes me that Manning is portrayed in the media. Refused to see Titanic, don’t like U2, don’t like Peyton Manning.
Really? I doubt Peyton agrees with you, as the media loves every chance they get to trumpet his “lack of clutch-ness.”
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Also, regarding the Woodson/Heisman thing.. sure, it’s possible Woodson was “better at his job” (not that 99% of the Heisman voters would either know this or even be able to figure it out by watching game tape, but that’s another point entirely) than Peyton was. That said, I still don’t think he should have won. Let’s take a fullback who is the best fullback in history – every block he makes in the hole is completely devastating, he can catch out of the backfield, etc. I still don’t think he deserves to win the Heisman just because while he is perfect at doing his job, in the grand scheme of things his job isn’t as important.
To make a bad analogy, famous people who win the Nobel Peace Prize probably aren’t as good at doing their job of “peace encouragement” as, say, a hypothetical pastor of a 50-member congregation in Ethiopia is. That said, the magnitude of the impact of Nelson Mandela’s work on the world is much greater than the impact of our pastor. So Mandela deserves the award.
Yeah ububba, but there is nothing going on right now and to take shots at the best quarterback to ever play in the SEC because his line doesn’t block for shit and his coach isn’t a big time coach, is all there is to do. Peyton has really never played for a great coach (I’ll even say Fulmer isn’t a great coach, very good, not grea.) I am sure there will be a discussion about tradding LaRoche later today. I am probably the biggest Manning supporter on this site and talking about his failures doesn’t bother me.
1997 SEC Champs!
Also, one reason I like Peyton: my buddy went to Isidore Newman in New Orleans with both Peyton and Eli (and in fact was in Latin class with Eli). According to him, Peyton was a very nice, humble guy – even back then everyone was talking about how great he was going to be, but he had time to talk to people, had one girlfriend and was faithful to her, polite, etc. Eli, on the other hand, was a dick – very arrogant, an asshole to most people, and with a different girl every night.
Though I root for UGA, I went to an ACC school and don’t feel the same passion towards SEC figures that many here do. So that’s why I like Peyton.
So, if Tom Brady is the Jeter of the NFL, does that make Peyton Manning the A-Rod?
Kyle, I’ll take your word for it on his personality, and my point on the uncritical media probably goes back several years, when my Root-For-Peyton switch was turned off.
In fairness, I’ll list the things I like about him:
1. He’s a damn fine quarterback, obviously.
2. He’s got a sense of humor. The VISA commercials are great, and the “idiot kicker” quote was truly hilarious.
Remember that time Peyton was play at UGA and it was 4th and an inch and the Vols elected to go for it? Manning was stuffed at the line but stepped back, rolled right and hit Marcus Nash for a touchdown.
The reason we’re here in the first place is the Atlanta Braves. Isn’t that a given?
Well, yeah . . . it’s what brought us here. But I’m here for Mac. Although I live 40 miles from Indianapolis, but am a lifelong Steeler fan, Mac’s comments about Manning smarted. But I couldn’t wait to see what he had to say.
It’s very easy to get caught up in diversions and distractions when the Braves are making so few moves. The ones they are making (Mc Dowell, the relievers) don’t encourage much discussion, just asking trust in JS and the organization.
So please, talk it up friends! I’m learning so much about devotion to SEC teams. I didn’t realize your depth of feeling.
But you folks probably don’t know how integral “Hoosier Hysteria” and the high school basketball season is to communities in this part of the world.
I look forward to the day there’s a 100 posts on an open thread in January.
Remember that time Peyton was play at UGA and it was 4th and an inch and the Vols elected to go for it? Manning was stuffed at the line but stepped back, rolled right and hit Marcus Nash for a touchdown.
Well sure, NOW I do.
Manning is to Tennessee fan what Hershal Walker is to UGA, Bear Bryant is to Alabama. The person who directly or indircetly took their team to the next level and put them on the national map. While Tennessee was a good team before Peyton came, we weren’t a perennial top ten team or even disscussed in the inner circle with Florida State, Miami so on. When Peyton came all that changed. Most of the players on the 98 title came to UT to play with Peyton. To be honest I think teams like Florida and Syaracuse kind of dissmissed Tennessee in 98 because Manning wasn’t there.
I love Peyton Manning. He’s my favorite football player ever. (I went to Vanderbilt, but I grew up a huge UT fan, since that’s my father’s alma mater.) And I’m pretty sure he always will be, unless Vandy turns out a player who is family-oriented, self-depricating, and really good. He’s not fake, although I do admit that he is often too public with his frustrations with his teammates. Of course, you’ll never see him show up the opposing team, so I’m not sure where that leaves him.
That said, I decided yesterday that I’m done defending him against the “choke” label. I did it throughout his UT career and I’ve done it throughout his pro career until yesterday’s game, with various explanations and excuses. (At UT, he never had a running back until Jamal Lewis, and Fullmer wouldn’t play Lewis until a couple weeks after the Florida game Peyton’s senior season. In the pros, his O-line has been shaky in past playoff games, his receivers have dropped balls, and he’s had crappy defenses.) Yesterday, sure, the blocking was bad, but so was Manning for much of the game. He was consistently overthrowing guys, and he was rushing his throws even when he did get decent blocking. (And to whoever blamed the defense–um, they only gave up 21 points. Sure, they were struggling early, but there’s no way the Colts shouldn’t have scored more than that at home.)
No, he wasn’t terrible, but when you combine yesterday’s performance with his historical efforts, I don’t think it’s unfair to say he chokes in big games. Until he wins a Superbowl, he’ll have that label. And I don’t think I’ll be able to reasonably defend his efforts anymore. But I still love the guy.I love Peyton Manning. He’s my favorite football player ever. (I went to Vanderbilt, but I grew up a huge UT fan, since that’s my father’s alma mater.) And I’m pretty sure he always will be, unless Vandy turns out a player who is family-oriented, self-depricating, and really good. He’s not fake, although I do admit that he is often too public with his frustrations with his teammates. Of course, you’ll never see him show up the opposing team, so I’m not sure where that leaves him.
Oops. Sorry for the repeat in the last paragraph above. Not sure how that happened. But it surely won’t happen again!
I’m not a huge NFL guy, but after the Falcons flamed out, I admit that I was mildly rooting for Peyton, Dungy & the Colts.
I think it stems from the time I was on a Little League team in Columbus, Ga., that went 21-0, won the league title, but gagged in the city-championship tourney– a “bad ending” that I still think about.
It was the same year that Indiana basketball went undefeated and won the title (after gagging to UK the year before)–I remember thinking that it was the “right ending.” I kinda thought I’d get a similar feeling from the Colts’ season.
Peyton’s gonna take the heat now. And when he gets his ring, it’ll be Elway-like. If he doesn’t, he’s Marino. Unfortunately, we tend to define our QBs by their number of rings.
It’s silly, considering that, for example, nobody believes that any of the 3 Redskins QBs who won Super Bowls are on Marino’s level or Tarkenton’s or Peyton’s. (I mean, I can’t even remember the names of the Ravens’ or Bucs’ QBs who won rings.) But that’s the reality and that’s what burns up the phone lines on talk radio.
Now more than ever, it’s Peyton’s burden, and everybody knows it.
Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl, I would take Manning over him.
Several reasons I don’t like Peyton Manning:
1) Aforementioned tendency to blame everything that goes wrong on someone else. The odds of this actually being the case are very, very small. Football is more of a team game than any other major sport. You win and lose as a team.
2) All that flapping about and yelling at the line of scrimmage. Yes, I know it’s called an audible and that a lot of guys do it. But they don’t do it the way he does it. He looks like C. Montgomery Burns coaching 3B in that episode where Homer is on the company softball team. It drives me nuts.
3) I’m a big Pats fan and I get tired of the “Peyton Manning is SO much better than that system quarterback Tom Brady, look at his stats, Brady just gets lucky with his team and his coach and wins all the time.” This is BS, and we found it out this year more than any other. Brady carried the team on his back all year. When he doesn’t play well, the team loses. He is NOT a system quarterback, because when the system is busted, the way it was most of this year, he still won. If he’d gotten hurt, they would have been 3-13 this year. And Mr. Peyton “Best QB Ever” Manning has 0 rings, is 3-6 in the playoffs, and freaks out under pressure like a woman being chased by muggers through Central Park. What did he do on the potential game-winning drive yesterday? He threw a pick. Forget the lousy call, he threw a pick. And he almost got a safety before that. And don’t tell me Brady choked it away on Saturday so he’s no better; one game doesn’t take away from everything he’s done the past 4 years.
4. The “Manning face.” He probably can’t help it. But it drives me nuts, just like the flapping around at the line of scrimmage.
As for the off-topic discussions, there is NOTHING going on right now. Nothing! This is the quietest offseason from this team I can remember in years. I suppose we could talk about the WBC, but part of me thinks IBAF may cause it to fall apart at the last minute over the whole Cuba thing and the discussion would probably get overly political. So it’s probably not a good idea.
I think the Pats were out coached on Saturday.
The Quarterback position is the most over rated position in sports. It is tru that it is the most important position on a football team, we tend to give too much credit and too blame to quarterbacks. Should Brady get credit for those three Super Bowls, absolutley. Was he the biggest reason they won, no. The New England defense and Adam Vinateri. In John Elway’s two Super Bowl victories was he the main reason they won? No, Terrel Davis was. Should Manning get blame for play off losses, yes. Are they all his fault, no. GM’s and coaches should get more credit than they do.
What if we traded for Todd Walker to play first base? .355 OBP and he played some first last season (thought he is not the best defender)
I know it won’t happen and he can’t hit lefties so we would be in the same situation as we are now.
Jenny…I hope the World Baseball Classic doesn’t fall apart. I have tickets to see the Dominican Rep. vs. Venzuela game in Orlando in March! LET CUBA PLAY! VIVA FIDEL!
I don’t think Peyton will ever win a Super Bowl. This season was his best chance, I think, with the Pats losing on Saturday and no powerhouse team in the NFC. There’s some question as to whether Edgerrin James will be back next season, and as long as Belichick is in NE, the Colts odds of even making it to the Super Bowl go down. Peyton will always be known as the 21st Century Marino.
3) I’m a big Pats fan and I get tired of the “Peyton Manning is SO much better than that system quarterback Tom Brady, look at his stats, Brady just gets lucky with his team and his coach and wins all the time.” This is BS, and we found it out this year more than any other. Brady carried the team on his back all year. When he doesn’t play well, the team loses. He is NOT a system quarterback, because when the system is busted, the way it was most of this year, he still won. If he’d gotten hurt, they would have been 3-13 this year. And Mr. Peyton “Best QB Ever” Manning has 0 rings, is 3-6 in the playoffs, and freaks out under pressure like a woman being chased by muggers through Central Park. What did he do on the potential game-winning drive yesterday? He threw a pick. Forget the lousy call, he threw a pick. And he almost got a safety before that. And don’t tell me Brady choked it away on Saturday so he’s no better; one game doesn’t take away from everything he’s done the past 4 years.
Wow, I didn’t realize the Sports Guy followed Braves Journal…
Just kidding (despite the fact that 80% of that logic is taken verbatim from Simmons). Jenny, Tom Brady is a great player. He gets all the credit in the world. He makes lots of commercials, he dates a famous actress, his playoff record is endlessly touted, etc. All that said, if all NFL rosters were wiped clean and there was a “fantasy draft” for every team (an awesome idea, by the way :), I hazard a guess that many, many teams would choose Peyton Manning before Tom Brady.
It is very likely that Tom Brady “handles the pressure” better than Manning does. He probably “steps up in big situations” better. All the same, I think Manning would be the consensus top pick. Because he’s better.
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The tendency of any totalizing belief system (religion, political structure, etc) is to interpret everything through its own lens. For example, once the “Cult of Jeter” comes into being, his shortcomings are downplayed and overlooked, and his successes (read: Giambi play, diving into the stands play) are touted endlessly. After you come to believe that Jeter is Clutch, you stop looking for evidence to contradict that viewpoint.
Here’s my advice to the Patriots fans who have to “put up with” people who talk about how good Manning is and the Yankees fans who “put up with” people talking up A-Rod – get over yourselves. You’re a fan of a team that has had lots of recent success. Be thankful for that. The next time someone tells you how good Peyton is, say “You’re absolutely right” while adjusting the strap on your “Patriots Super Bowl Champions” hat.
Disclaimer: I am not a Colts fan. Even though I like Peyton, I think he should have accepted some responsibility for the loss, because a) he didn’t play very well the first 40 minutes of the game — part of it WAS his fault, and b) anything critical he said would be seized upon by the media as attempting to “escape responsibility.” I hope he wins a super bowl some day so he can escape all of this talk, and then spends his retirement acting in beer commercials with John Elway.
Kyle, I want to act in beer comercials with John Elway!
Oh, while were having a good old fashioned SEC hate fest:
“The highest ratio of syphilis per capita in the United States is believed to be found in Auburn, Alabama ”
I guess maybe that explains the rampant stupidtiy of Auburn fans (that does affect the brain you know)
NMS, I’d like to see the link to that.
This has got some funny stuff:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=gallo/060116
My favorite line is this suggested headline for the Colts/Steelers game:
“Vanderjagt, Colts outchoke refs, Bettis in historic choke-off”
Michael,
Its on Wikipedia’s entry on syphillis. I dont know where they got that from but I jsut wanted to throw it out there for the sake of hating on Aurburn
Its all meant in good fun tho
I have a hard time taking anything away from guys who succeed and win the big one(s).
That’s the ultimate goal, so all the explaining of why they aren’t “really that good” seems superfluous to me. I’m guessing that’s how all of New England feels about Brady & I’m positive that’s how Yankee fans feel about Jeter.
(BTW, the reason many Yankee fans dislike A-Rod has little to do with Jeter & everything to do with A-Rod & his personality.)
I understand that stats will tell you that Ringless Player A is better than Blingin’ Player B, but how can anyone denigrate what Blingin’ Player B has done, as long as he genuinely contributed to the ultimate and final success of his team?
Alright, Auburn haters. Have at it…
http://home.hiwaay.net/~pcasteel/aubfamily.html
When is the next player profile?
I love it ububba
Oh by the way, you said you were from Columbus…do you still live there?
I ask bc Georgia had a ggreat baseball recruiting class this year but they all got signed away in the draft…except for 1b/P Iain Sebastian, from Columbus. Just wondering if you ever saw him, hopefully he’ll give us another big bat to help Morris out
I hope that neither of the Mannings ever win a title. I hope they continue their legacy of futility. Plus, Kyle S. I think Brady would have just as many teams wanting to pick him as though who would want to pick Manning.
I learned in my health class junior year that 50% of the women at UGA have chlamydia.
Sorry, they currently have it or at some point in college have had it.
Justin, I think most teams in the NFL would take Manning over Brady.
Yeah but thats only because Georgia women are in demand….
I have to say that Ole Miss has the best looking women in the SEC.
You must not have been to Vanderbilt, then, Smitty.
All right, here’s a baseball discussion: does anyone understand what’s going on with this lawsuit over baseball stats? It looks to me as if MLB is arguing that associating statistics with a player’s name as in fantasy baseball leagues is a commercial enterprise that they should be able to charge for under a license agreement. Why are they trying to do this? Aren’t they risking losing the royalty money they’re already getting by charging a flat fee for licensing? What sort of precedent is this going to set for free-stats sites like Baseball Reference and others? Plus, this is bad PR and makes them look greedy. I don’t understand this at all.
O hI have been to Vandy, and they crack the Top 5, but Ole Miss is the best.
Top Ten
Ole Miss
UGA
Vandy
USC
Kentucky
Tennessee
Auburn
Alabama
Ark
Florida
LSU
Miss. St.
NMS,
No, I haven’t lived in Columbus since I graduated from HS in 1981. I went onto UGA in Athens & have been living in the NYC area since 1990. After I left Columbus, I never moved back permanently–just some summers during college.
This Sebastian kid went to the same HS as Frank Thomas. But I’m way out of that loop now.
Baseball is big in Columbus, but while I was in HS, the only guy I remember doing anything beyond “The Fountain City” was a pitcher named Jeff Oyster, who went onto have a good career at Bama.
I know people who played with Tim Hudson (Glenwood in nearby Phenix City) & Thomas (Columbus High), but I never saw them play in HS. Edwin Jackson (Shaw HS) is from there, too. Jeff Treadway was born there, but he grew up in Griffin.
And Auburn people, don’t get mad at me. I was just tossing some chum for the sharks.
I’m currently at UGA. I spent 4 years at Vanderbilt. Trust me, Vanderbilt is far, far, FAR superior. Assuming we’re talking quality and not quantity, anyway.
Vandy is widely regarded as number 1, with Ole Miss and Kentucky widely regarded as 2 and 2a. I hope you won’t ask me to define “widely regarded.”
Would you please define “widely regarded?”
I made a campus visit over the weekend to Ole Miss, and I must agree that they have the best looking women of any campus ive been to so far.
Player profiles tomorrow morning. I’ll probably post two to make up for the delays, one in the morning and one in the afternoon.
Dodgers get Baez and Carter from the Rays for 2 pitching prospects. Not much relievers left.
Small move: Jeff Nelson to the Cardinals for $800K.
When Nelson was with the Yanks, he seemed to be the only person who genuinely ruffled Torre. He was the only guy who often squawked to the press during their big run. He’d always complain about his lack of use, about being taken out of games.
I remember one time on his weekly radio show, Torre was asked about the latest Nelson flap. Usually, Torre has a diplomatic answer for anything. This time he just blurted: “I wouldn’t take him out if he didn’t walk the ballpark!”
Just wait ’til he plays for LaRussa…
I really think people are just jealous because Peyton was the son of an NFL quarterback and now he is setting records in the NFL. He is too good for people to like him.
After the Steelers game he said nothing wrong. They asked him about the obvious protection issues. He didn’t bring it up they asked him. Then he said yes they had protection issues. What do you want him to say? “My offensive line played great”.
geaux tigers!
He said, and I quote:
“I’m looking for a safe word here. I don’t want to be a bad teammate. Let’s just say we had some problems in protection.”
1. “Safe word”? We don’t need to know about your sex life, Peyton.
2. He’s a dick.
In response to what question, though, Mac? I’ve seen that quote 100 times today. What was he supposed to say?
Here is what I imagine happened:
“Peyton, what did you think about the pass protection today?”
Possible Answers:
“I’m looking for a safe word here. I don’t want to be a bad teammate. Let’s just say we had some problems in protection.”
“Alright, I’m going to name names. Tarik Glen couldn’t have stopped Joey Porter with a 44 magnum and a battle axe.”
“The O-Line played great. I should get used to throwing after .1 seconds.”
“Well, shucks, I’m a dumb football player, we gave it 100%, they just gave it 110%, here are some other retarded cliches you guys can choke on”
“The rush really got to me and caused me to hurry a lot of my throws; the Steelers really played great, but I could have done a better job, and my line could have too.”
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He’d probably be jumped on slightly less if he said the last quote, but that’s really not much different than what he did say. Any quote where he talked about how great the Colts played all season is not going to get reported, because it’s not “newsworthy.”
Peyton played poorly for two and a half quarters yesterday. Maybe that makes him a choker. But if you really think the Colts line played well yesterday and had no “problems with protection,” you’re fucking crazy.
Thank you, Kyle, for being a voice of reason in the midst of this madness.
I think Mac’s statements come from the bitter-‘Bama-fan-who’s-jealous-a-UT-boy-gets-all-this-credit angle. Keep everything about Manning the same, but change his name to Jay Barker or Brodie Croyle, and you wouldn’t hear a peep.
Just because you dislike Peyton Manning doesn’t mean you’re jealous of him. I don’t like Manning because he is the squeaky clean Golden Boy. I’m not jealous of that fact, I just can’t relate to it. If there is nothing about a player that is relateable to me, then I find it difficult to root for them. I don’t think that’s jealousy.
People underestimate how much Brady is regarded around the league. You’d probably have more GM’s pick Manning over Brady, but it wouldn’t be by a wide margin at all.
I have a sneaking suspicion John Shuerholz will drop a bomb around March 20th. I just don’t believe he’s content going into the year with the present roster, although I do think it’s probably good enough to finish at the top of the division again.
In my opinion, the reason that Manning quote is so jackass-ish is the beginning. “I’m looking for a safe word here. I don’t want to be a bad teammate.”
Anything you say after that is going to look bad. Anything. It’s like beginning a sentence with “No offense, but…” The fact that you need to use the qualifier at all means that what you are about to say is going to be perceived as offensive. True, if you want to say your friend has bad breath, you can phrase it several ways:
“No offense, but your breath sucks.”
“No offense, but maybe Listerine would be a good idea.”
“Want some gum?”
Only the last one is acceptable, IMO, and that’s because it’s EXTREMELY indirect and innocuous. Manning should have gone this route, because it just reinforced the common perception of him and gave fodder to all his detractors (myself included). To keep tooting the Brady horn, I think he would have said something like,
“We win and lose as a team. There were a lot of areas of our game that needed to be improved. I had a lot of mistakes as well.”
Straight boilerplate answer that comes off classy and doesn’t throw anybody under a bus, sharing responsiblity equally for a loss, as it should be. Manning sucked pretty good at times, too. There are ways to dodge questions. If it’s a bad idea to tell it like it is (as it was in this case), you figure out how to avoid it.
Hey, I say mean things about Eli too, and I’m certainly not jealous of Ole Miss.
1. “Safe word”? We don’t need to know about your sex life, Peyton.
That’s really funny.
So if Payton drops the first part he just says, “Let’s just say we had some problems with protection.” That actually sounds worse to me. Every single athelete who has asnwered a question from the media has to try to sound like a good teamate. All he did was express that orally. Or he could have totally avoided the question with some cliches but that would have made him look like Arod. The reporter asked an obvious question and Peyton said yes it is true.
If you want to hate Peyton because he went to UT, by all means, I will support you all the way. But try to look past your bias and see that he is an amazing player and most definitely was not whining after the Steelers game.
Schools with attractive ladies? Fellows, you haven’t seen anything until you come to Florida State. We’ve got any school in the southeast beat, drawing from all across the hot spots of the SE United States. UF can’t hope to compare.
Yeah, well at my school we coerce women into eating disorders all for the benefit of our penises. They end up way hotter than any state school fattie. Try beating that, FSU.
Ive been thinking a long time for an intro song for me for my baseball season coming up and I cant really think of one. I dont want the original hard rock or rap songs, so ive been looking at Slow Ride by Foghat. Does anyone think thats a good one?
Evidence for Clark’s claim
Good intro, but “Slow Ride” is kinda played. It’s on some commercial now.
If you gotta have a Foghat tune, try “Drivin’ Wheel.” It’s got a monstrous, beatless, slide guitar intro. It’ll get some attention. If you play the intro to “Slow Ride” it sound like a caveman beating on a rock.
I am sorry but UF beats FSU hands down. FSU girls are not only uglier but dumber as well, as we all know that FSU is where you go when you don’t get into UF.
A slide guitar’s nice, but a little wah-wah is too.
Mike, go with either “when the Levey breaks,’ by Led Zep or go Rick Flair with “2001:…”
If you really want to put a scare into the opposition, you could go with something like “I’ve Got a Brand New Pair of Roller Skates (You’ve Got a Brand New Key)”. They would intentionally walk you every time!
I think the Ric Flair thing would be a little too big.
I haven’t been to UF, but I work in Tallahassee and live a block south of the stadium. I can’t imagine any school beating FSU in this regard.
One of the greatest things I’ve ever witnessed was my rec league team’s shortstop going up to bat to “Push It” by Salt ‘n Pepa. I have no idea how we made the playoffs.
Mike:
“Sharp-Dressed Man” by ZZ Top.
Crank it up until their ears bleed.
I think Kyle makes good points in Peyton’s defense. And we can sit and analyze “well, he could have said it THIS way or THAT way” and that’s all well & good after the fact – but truth is that we can’t even agree (with plenty of time to think it over) on what would be truly ‘non-offensive’ for him to have said, with the benefit of hindsight. So how do we expect him to have come up with the perfect phrase in the seconds after the question was asked? Oh, that’s right, since he didn’t he obviously can’t think on his feet & that makes him a ‘choker’ (hey, it fits the line – the story just writes itself after that, doesn’t it?)
I don’t have a dog in this hunt (I’m pulling for the Panthers, who I must say have been notably absent from these discussions – are they forbidden somehow & I missed the note?), but to me there seems to be a good bit of irrationality in the Peyton bashing (I mean, it’s fine to like or dislike a guy, but to hate him, I mean really, what has he ever done to you?).
Oh and by the way – somebody was wishing for a 100+ post thread. We passed it!
These are all good songs but I still like Slow Ride.
I’d just like to say hello after a quiet weekend (for me). The St. Louis Cardinals are a nice organization from top to bottom, even humoring me patiently after I asked, “No, seriously, who is John Gall?” for the fifth time–my little Ayn Rand joke.
However, I have been left unprotected in the Rule 5 BB draft, and so I managed to make it back home to Braves Journal. I’ve only just caught up on all the stuff I’ve missed, and so I wanted to say the following:
Stop attacking Jenny. Seriously. She’s not cursing, she’s not insulting anyone, and there’s really no such thing as a “thread hijack” on an open bulletin board. Everyone who comes to this board is here because he or she is a sports fan. This is a bulletin board for people who love sports. These personal attacks are aggravating to read and frankly unwarranted.
Editorial over.
*Addendum to above: also, the personal attacks are really not nice. Be nice, guys. Come on.
Thanks, Alex. That was nice of you.
Also, we have apparently signed Marcus Giles to a one-year, $3.85 million deal.
It’s nice to avoid the nastiness of arbitration and all, but when are we going to lock this guy up long term? If he gets on the open market, he’ll be a hot commodity. He’ll also be free to go to California. We shouldn’t chance that.
I have a feeling that the Braves do not have Giles in their future plans. He is always in the middle of trade rumors, and Betemit could step right in. I wouldn’t even be surprised to see him moved before the season started. I have no evidence to offer; it’s just a hunch.
As awkward a shortstop as Betemit is, he’d be even worse at second. I suspect the Braves are too “traditional” to move someone with Betemit’s body type to second base long-term. Ironically, they look like they could profile fairly similarly as hitters over the next few years.
I think not signing Furcal means we are going to go after Giles. Quality second basemen are hard to find, I vote we lock Giles up to a three year deal.
Marcus is still two years away from becoming a free agent. Next offseason will be the time to sign him to a long term contract…so is Andruw!!!
Or, Peyton could have said something like
They had a great game plan, and came out and executed it to perfection. We couldn’t cope with it as a team. We tried some different things, but in the end, they were better than us on the day. And I asked Joey Porter after that last sack if he could sign the ball to my younger brother, he loves you man.
How hard is that to say.
Again, very easy to come up with 2 days after the fact. Not so easy when you’re speaking off the cuff, minutes after a tough loss
What he couldn’t have had that worked up, were are these athlete’s PR people? Hey Peyton here is a list of acceptable things to say to the media after the game, you know in case you lose. Whats the point in having all that money if you ain’t gonna use it properly.
Look at justin! Drinking that Hatorade!
Seriously, this has been ridden into the ground. How about addressing more important issues, such as why Jerome Bettis allows people to call him “Bussie.”
or why they can’t get him a bigger jersey?