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I really am depressed by this ballclub game thread: Mariners at Braves, June 22

Posted by Mac Thomason | Jun 22, 2008 | Game Threads 2010 | 136

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136 Comments

  1. Stephen
    Stephen on June 22, 2008 at 9:59 am

    We have a chance to take 2 out of 3 from the Mariners–ought to be easy, but it almost seems like an epic struggle.

    On the nice side, maybe Lillibridgg (who is from WA) get his first big league hit against Seattle….

  2. Coop
    Coop on June 22, 2008 at 10:03 am

    JJ pitched well despite the total collapse behinf him, and Frenchy got hit in the clutch.

  3. Coop
    Coop on June 22, 2008 at 10:20 am

    Spellcheck is a useful tool.

  4. Brian J.
    Brian J. on June 22, 2008 at 10:35 am

    Thank you for the lesson in semantics, Coop.

    Again, it’s hard to believe that we’re just 5 games behind the Phillies, but that’s where we are. There’s more than enough time for the Braves to win the division, if everyone gets healthy and starts playing the way they have in previous years. (I know what you’ve said about Hope, Mac, but indulge me.)

  5. Stephen
    Stephen on June 22, 2008 at 10:39 am

    Agreed–Until the Phillies (or another team)run away with the division or the Braves completely collapse there is every reason to hope for the best. If the Cardinals can win the World Series with 84 regular seasons wins, the Braves can at least stay competitive for awhile….

  6. phil
    phil on June 22, 2008 at 10:57 am

    The only “hit” frenchy can get in the clutch is HBP.

    Bench-y Frenchy!

  7. basil
    basil on June 22, 2008 at 11:06 am

    Between innings late in the game last night, they played Sussudio on the loudspeakers at Turner Field. And then we won the game. Is there anything the music of Phil Collins can’t do?

  8. Dave
    Dave on June 22, 2008 at 11:08 am

    Jeff’s not in the line-up today…

  9. Dave
    Dave on June 22, 2008 at 11:09 am

    Blanco cf
    Infante ss
    KJ 2b
    Tex 1b
    BMac c
    Norton rf
    Gotay 3b
    Jones lf
    Huddy p

  10. A.West
    A.West on June 22, 2008 at 11:25 am

    Awesome about Frenchy not being in the lineup. Too bad Norton is the best alternative. I wonder if it’s because of the injury, or the injury is the excuse Cox is using to do what he should have done many times before – sit Frenchy.

  11. phil
    phil on June 22, 2008 at 11:28 am

    I hope he got injured. He needs to go on the 60 day dl for this team to have a chance.

  12. Nick
    Nick on June 22, 2008 at 11:30 am

    Well, he’s taken Norton out of the middle of the order and Brandon Jones is in the lineup instead of Francoeur. This is pretty much the best lineup that it is possible for us to field with the people we have available at the moment. Only minor quibble is that perhaps Jones should be hitting sixth.

  13. Dan
    Dan on June 22, 2008 at 11:38 am

    That lineup is as good as you it’s going to get with Chipper and Escobar out. Any time your best hitter (Chipper) and either third or fourth best hitter (Escobar) is out, it’s going to look at least a little ugly.

    O’Brien says this was a “scheduled” off-day for Francoeur. I don’t believe. Bobby knows he’s been awful. Put him on the DL with “inability to hit”.

  14. Adam M
    Adam M on June 22, 2008 at 11:43 am

    Is there any word on Chipper’s availability for next week? I ask for fantasy-related purposes mainly…

  15. csg
    csg on June 22, 2008 at 11:43 am

    seriously though 5 of the 8 starters we’re not an opening day starter for us. Silva sucks so why dont we get Huddy some runs, he deserves a win

    after last nights game, I had to buy a McCann shirt

  16. Rob Cope
    Rob Cope on June 22, 2008 at 11:54 am

    I’m wondering the same thing, Adam M. Though I do have Evan Longoria waiting on the bench. The great thing about Chipper is that he’s a fantasy stud, but you gotta have a back-up 3B. My 3B and CI are pretty solid: A-Rod, Chipper, and Longoria.

  17. Adam M
    Adam M on June 22, 2008 at 11:58 am

    That’s crazy. I have Longoria too and have to make this decision by tomorrow at noon. Anyway, if you have A-Rod that might be a logjam.

  18. Smitty
    Smitty on June 22, 2008 at 12:04 pm

    I love the Braves Live (!) excuse why Frenchy isn’t playing. “It is a schedualed off day for Jeff. He did get hit in the hand and the foot.”

    Too bad he didn’t get hit in the head. Frenchy’s head isn’t a vital organ.

  19. Mac Thomason
    Mac Thomason on June 22, 2008 at 12:07 pm

    So for three entire years he doesn’t take a day off, and suddenly, the day after getting hit in the hand, he has a scheduled off day. Riiiiiiiiight.

  20. Rob Cope
    Rob Cope on June 22, 2008 at 12:08 pm

    Well, there hasn’t been too many weeks this year where I’ve had to make a decision. Longoria didn’t get called up until a couple weeks in, and then A-Rod was injured, Chipper has been injured a bit, and Longoria was in a slump. For all but a couple weeks, it was an easy decision who to start, especially since there are lineup spots for a corner infielder and 3B.

    I really blew it with Jair this week. I think he was a two-start pitcher, but I was worried he wouldn’t make his starts, so I sat him. That didn’t turn out too well.

    Longoria is .200/.292/.350 in his last six. Hitting around .250 for the month, but his isolated discipline and power are up. Tough decision.

  21. Frank
    Frank on June 22, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    Put him on the DL with “inability to hit”.

    LOL!

  22. Smitty
    Smitty on June 22, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    I read that we might be in the Ryan Freel market. Thoughts?

  23. Frank
    Frank on June 22, 2008 at 12:12 pm

    I’d pass–the only thing Freel upgrades is the expense of putting a bunch of mediocre players on the field

  24. Godot
    Godot on June 22, 2008 at 12:12 pm

    That was scary, seeing Jones, LF without Jones , 3B in the lineup card.

    And Mac playing the day game after a long night game? Arghh. Stupid Corky.

  25. Mac Thomason
    Mac Thomason on June 22, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    Thoughts?

    Well, apparently the Braves don’t have very many.

  26. braves14
    braves14 on June 22, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    Our lineup looks so much better without Francoeur in it.

  27. barrycuda
    barrycuda on June 22, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    is this site really full of badass tough guys??…….or a bunch of sniveling little weasels rooting for someone to get hurt?

  28. Smitty
    Smitty on June 22, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    I think McCann will die by the end of July

  29. Smitty
    Smitty on June 22, 2008 at 12:17 pm

    Thanks barrycuda,

    I am a bad ass!

  30. Mac Thomason
    Mac Thomason on June 22, 2008 at 12:17 pm

    Bad-ass weasels.

  31. barrycuda
    barrycuda on June 22, 2008 at 12:18 pm

    thats about what i figured

  32. Mac Thomason
    Mac Thomason on June 22, 2008 at 12:18 pm

    Actually, I just changed the tagline to “Bad-Ass Weasels.”

  33. Boomer
    Boomer on June 22, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    Back in the USA. Go Braves!

  34. Smitty
    Smitty on June 22, 2008 at 12:20 pm

    Actually I perfer the term,
    “Bad Mother F*#ker”

  35. Douglass
    Douglass on June 22, 2008 at 12:22 pm

    For the record, I am 100% hulking bad-ass tough guy.

  36. barrycuda
    barrycuda on June 22, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    how does your mother feel about that one Smitty?

  37. braves14
    braves14 on June 22, 2008 at 12:25 pm

    I’m more like Samuel L. Jackson than Brent Lillibridge!

  38. barrycuda
    barrycuda on June 22, 2008 at 12:26 pm

    ol’ Sam L. probably cant hit either.

  39. Douglass
    Douglass on June 22, 2008 at 12:38 pm

    Pllllaaaaaay baaaaall….

    (sorry)

  40. DJ
    DJ on June 22, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    Has Tim been topping 90mph in his last couple of starts? Looks to be 89/90 today.

  41. avery
    avery on June 22, 2008 at 12:43 pm

    MLB gamecast says BJones is actually in RF w/ Norton in left. If so, I like that arangement even more.

  42. Douglass
    Douglass on June 22, 2008 at 12:44 pm

    His velocity is fine. he’s hit 92 on at least 3 fastballst his inning, that’s the norm with 82 changeup, 86 slider….he’s fine.

  43. Mac Thomason
    Mac Thomason on June 22, 2008 at 12:45 pm

    Why is Hudson pitching like Atrosta?

  44. Stephen
    Stephen on June 22, 2008 at 12:47 pm

    I am missing the commentary on MLB.com–is anybody else having the same problem? Since it may be Chip, its actually nice…

  45. Douglass
    Douglass on June 22, 2008 at 12:49 pm

    Joe continuing to bitch about Ichiro having that on the back of his uniform.

    :continues rolling eyes:

  46. Stephen
    Stephen on June 22, 2008 at 12:51 pm

    9 pitches…nice way to save time…

  47. ububba
    ububba on June 22, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    Hell, I remember when Pete Maravich had “Pistol” on his back.

  48. phil
    phil on June 22, 2008 at 12:57 pm

    Atrosta…that’s funny

  49. braves14
    braves14 on June 22, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    Once, there were Mariners fans who complained that they had a guy with “Simpson” on the back of his uniform.

  50. Douglass
    Douglass on June 22, 2008 at 12:59 pm

    nice. burn.

  51. Mac Thomason
    Mac Thomason on June 22, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    The Braves, of course, are the franchise that put nicknames on the back of their uniforms.

  52. ububba
    ububba on June 22, 2008 at 1:01 pm

    “Channel 17”

    That’s back when Terrible Ted really was kinda nuts, but we loved him for it.

  53. Douglass
    Douglass on June 22, 2008 at 1:02 pm

    Atta boy tex!

    (Bout time.)

  54. Mac Thomason
    Mac Thomason on June 22, 2008 at 1:02 pm

    Scott Boras: “That’s another million!”

  55. braves14
    braves14 on June 22, 2008 at 1:03 pm

    Tex!

  56. ububba
    ububba on June 22, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    Helluva DP there.

  57. Smitty
    Smitty on June 22, 2008 at 1:08 pm

    barrycuda,

    My mom is fine with it, but your mother LOVES it.

  58. Douglass
    Douglass on June 22, 2008 at 1:13 pm

    and smitty throws down the gauntlet.

  59. braves14
    braves14 on June 22, 2008 at 1:15 pm

    Looks like teams are realizing that Blanco has about a strong of an arm as Danny Wuerffel.

  60. Smitty
    Smitty on June 22, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    Douglass,

    Throwing down the gauntlet is in the Bad Mother F*#cker code.

    I like this Ibanez guy. I wonder what it would take to get him

  61. Smitty
    Smitty on June 22, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    braves 14,

    I hate Danny Wuerffel, but at least his arm was acurate.

    Blanco’s arm is a gun, without rifling and no powder in the shell casing

  62. Mac Thomason
    Mac Thomason on June 22, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    It’s an arquebus.

  63. Smitty
    Smitty on June 22, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    Maybe it is just a super soaker

  64. Mac Thomason
    Mac Thomason on June 22, 2008 at 1:22 pm

    Francoeur, of course, has a blunderbuss.

  65. Mac Thomason
    Mac Thomason on June 22, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    Meanwhile, Hudson has thrown 50 pitches through three, while Silva is looking at maybe the mid-thirties.

  66. Smitty
    Smitty on June 22, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    Mac,

    I think you just sumed up our whole season with the pitch count.

    I hope TP gets a managerial job this winter

  67. Mac Thomason
    Mac Thomason on June 22, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    Because of the two hits, he’s up to 40. Still…

  68. Stephen
    Stephen on June 22, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    We are in danger of ending Silva’s streak of bad pitching….Not that I am surprised at this point….

  69. Mac Thomason
    Mac Thomason on June 22, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    Nice play, KJ. You know, he’s probably the team’s best defensive player right now. Scary, huh?

  70. Stephen
    Stephen on June 22, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    Nice DP—Huddy deserves a 6 pitch inning….

  71. Douglass
    Douglass on June 22, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    Tex does it again!

  72. Mac Thomason
    Mac Thomason on June 22, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    [BORAS]Another million![/BORAS]

  73. Dan
    Dan on June 22, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    Another million.

  74. braves14
    braves14 on June 22, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    I’d say Tex is the best with the glove on the field right now. (I say that without looking at any stats.)

    And as I speak, he homers again

  75. Douglass
    Douglass on June 22, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    McCann make it back to back!

  76. braves14
    braves14 on June 22, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    Back-to-back!

  77. mraver
    mraver on June 22, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    I mean, I guess one at a time isn’t so bad. 😀

  78. Godot
    Godot on June 22, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    I don’t want to defend TP, but Frenchy apart, this team hits pretty patiently. Silva is a guy you hit or not. You are not going to run the pitch count up on him, as all he does is throw strikes.

    Tex? really..Maybe Boras told him Seattle was a possible suitor.

    Mac!!!

  79. Mac Thomason
    Mac Thomason on June 22, 2008 at 1:37 pm

    According to Plus/Minus, Teixeira is the eleventh-best defensive first baseman in baseball, while KJ is the 22nd-best second baseman. So yeah, you’re probably right. Yunel and Chipper are by far the team’s best defensive players…

  80. Douglass
    Douglass on June 22, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    Yeah, but wouldn’t you rather have Khalil Greene than Yunel?

  81. Mac Thomason
    Mac Thomason on June 22, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    Just a personal thing… Can we not call McCann “Mac”, call him “Heap” or something else? ‘Cause I scan all these comments and it confuses me when my name pops up.

  82. ububba
    ububba on June 22, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    Well, if this lineup’s gonna be competitive at all, our good hitters are gonna hafta rake. Let’s tack on some more, boys.

  83. Douglass
    Douglass on June 22, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    Hits by Norton, Hudson, and Blanco get us another one! Who is this team?

  84. Mac Thomason
    Mac Thomason on June 22, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    Douglass… Yunel is rated as the best shortstop in the majors, and it’s not close.

    Shortstop
    2008
    Rank Player +/-
    1 Yunel Escobar +19
    2 Orlando Cabrera +12
    3 Troy Tulowitzki +9
    4 J.J. Hardy +8
    5 Omar Vizquel +7
    6 Erick Aybar +6
    7 Cristian Guzman +5
    8 Maicer Izturis +3
    9 Omar Quintanilla +3
    10 Cesar Izturis +2

  85. Douglass
    Douglass on June 22, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    Hah, I know this Mac. I was referencing a spat I had on hear with Bethany last week when I made the exact claim you just made and had Bethany attack me because “she hates him” and “didn’t believe” my stats.

  86. Dan
    Dan on June 22, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    I think the team is rallying knowing their rally-killer is on the bench today.

  87. Douglass
    Douglass on June 22, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    Guess I should add that when I pressed her to say who she would rather have Khalil Greene (LOL) was the name she came up with.

  88. Godot
    Godot on June 22, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    Yunel is ahead both by +/- and RZR. UZR had him in front by a mile too.

  89. braves14
    braves14 on June 22, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    Khalil Greene? Clemson, blaaahhh

  90. mraver
    mraver on June 22, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    Adrian Beltre is like the only good signing Bavasi made. Ever.

  91. Douglass
    Douglass on June 22, 2008 at 1:45 pm

    As a very sarcastic person, sometimes I forget how difficult sarcasm can be to detect on the internets.

  92. Mac Thomason
    Mac Thomason on June 22, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    Just for amusement’s sake, selections from Baseball Prospectus:

    [T]he shortstop job belongs to Escobar, but it’s not clear he’s good enough to hold it… batting average will be closer to .280… Escobar is not a superior defensive player, either. Brent Lillibridge could pass him by August.

    “Also, Chipper Jones should be in left field.”

  93. mraver
    mraver on June 22, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    I think you get into sample size issues when you look at any statistic over half a season, but I imagine defensive ones in particular could get pretty exaggerated. Not saying they’re not accurate in this case, but Tex has always had a strong defensive reputation, and IIRC has done well on defensive metrics in the past, so I’d be surprised if he suddenly became mediocre.

  94. Douglass
    Douglass on June 22, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    I dunno Mac, I think Lillibridge still might pass him by August.

    (unless we make a move for Khalil Greene)

    (see? sarcasm.)

  95. Jason
    Jason on June 22, 2008 at 1:48 pm

    Figures that the rain down here would knock out DirecTV during a game in which the Braves were actually playing well.

  96. Mac Thomason
    Mac Thomason on June 22, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    I am not impressed by Suzuki.

  97. mraver
    mraver on June 22, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    Heh. Yeah. I asked Sheehan about it in a chat earlier (indirectly), and he pointed to the slump that Escobar was in at the time. It is accurate that the power numbers aren’t there like you would like from Escobar, but his walk rate is up over last year, so even though he’s taken a BABIP hit, his OBA has improved.

    The defense has been fantastic, though, for Escobar, and while he’ll never be a top-teir guy offensively, he’s looking like he should be better than the proverbial “futility infielder”.

  98. braves14
    braves14 on June 22, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    Another promising thing offensively for Yunel is the much improved walk rate — even batting right in front of Chipper much of the time.

  99. Smitty
    Smitty on June 22, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    Ah, a former Vol.

  100. Douglass
    Douglass on June 22, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    Plus, Boog and Joe says he’s just getting his ‘man strength.’ So he’s got that goin for him, which is nice.

  101. mraver
    mraver on June 22, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    Knuckleballers are funny.

  102. mraver
    mraver on June 22, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    For those of you worried about Kyle Davies, he got bombed today. >_<

  103. Smitty
    Smitty on June 22, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    I’d send McCann here

  104. Smitty
    Smitty on June 22, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    A check swing double. Silly Norton

  105. braves14
    braves14 on June 22, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    This is nice.

  106. Smitty
    Smitty on June 22, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    Gotay is playing very well

  107. mraver
    mraver on June 22, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    I’m liking this game!

  108. Douglass
    Douglass on June 22, 2008 at 2:04 pm

    Indeed.

  109. Smitty
    Smitty on June 22, 2008 at 2:05 pm

    Maybe that come back win last night has put some life in this team. Or maybe it is that Frenchy is on the bench and can’t hurt the team

  110. Phillip
    Phillip on June 22, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    McCann should have “B.A. Weasel” on the back of his jersey.

  111. Mac Thomason
    Mac Thomason on June 22, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    Ryan Rowland-Smith, of the Sydney Rowland-Smiths…

  112. braves14
    braves14 on June 22, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    Who fed Teixiera his wheaties?

  113. Mac Thomason
    Mac Thomason on June 22, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    [BORAS]That’s a two-millioner.[/BORAS]

  114. Dan
    Dan on June 22, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    Another million!

  115. Smitty
    Smitty on June 22, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    Well I think Tex just won the player of the gmae honors over Hudson

  116. Smitty
    Smitty on June 22, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    If this guys keeps hitting, we might have something…

  117. Smitty
    Smitty on June 22, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    Angels up 3-1 in Philly in the 7th

  118. Smitty
    Smitty on June 22, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    well Frenchy, get a pinch hit

  119. Roberto Petagine
    Roberto Petagine on June 22, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    Yes.. now its the time to trade Tex.. Tex for Looney and Kemp!!… do it Frank.. do it do it

  120. Rob B
    Rob B on June 22, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    I was expecting a ground out. At least Jeff’s keeping me on my toes.

  121. Smitty
    Smitty on June 22, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    His strike out form is good though

  122. Jake
    Jake on June 22, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    Why not Carlyle for two innings?

  123. Jake
    Jake on June 22, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    Oh wait that would make sense.

  124. Smitty
    Smitty on June 22, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    I bet Boyer pitches the 9th

  125. Mac Thomason
    Mac Thomason on June 22, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    Why? Gonzalez hasn’t pitched in the series.

  126. Smitty
    Smitty on June 22, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    Phillies got a run. Utley K’ed leaving the tying run at 2nd

  127. braves14
    braves14 on June 22, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    Holy smokes, we could be 4 GB. We’re not even .500

  128. Mac Thomason
    Mac Thomason on June 22, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    Jerome Jurenovich is Sonny Crockett.

    OMG, I thought I was joking about Gonzalez.

  129. Mac Thomason
    Mac Thomason on June 22, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    Lovely.

  130. Smitty
    Smitty on June 22, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    Ichiro sucks

  131. Smitty
    Smitty on June 22, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    Gonzo doesn’t quite have his fastball back yet

  132. Smitty
    Smitty on June 22, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    93 is good, but not letter high

  133. Smitty
    Smitty on June 22, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    Going to the 9th in Philly. LAAoASCUSANANHEMW 3 Philly 2. K-Rod should come in.

  134. braves14
    braves14 on June 22, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    Ron Gant is a clown.

  135. Mac Thomason
    Mac Thomason on June 22, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    Recap is up. Francoeur sucks.

  136. jj3bagger
    jj3bagger on June 22, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    Don’t know if anybody else noticed or cares, but since Gerald Laird got hurt, the Rangers called up Max Ramirez to back up Salty.

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